Wilson adds ammo (MUST READ)

[kstewart33]

If this is true, Katy bar the door. From US News and World Report:

Wilson adds ammo to hit war credibility gap

Just as former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's story that Bushies blew his CIA wife's cover to get back at his criticism of the war in Iraq was getting old, he has stumbled on new ammo to hit the administration's credibility. Wilson tells us he plans to circulate the text of a briefing by analyst Sam Gardiner that suggests the White House and Pentagon made up or distorted over 50 war stories.
(snip)
But there's more, says Gardiner, a war gamer who has taught at the National War College. Like how defense officials said the first Iraqi unit marines encountered, the 51st Mechanized Infantry Division, had surrendered four days before it actually did. And he says Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers gave bad or deliberately incomplete info on several topics. Sure, propaganda has always been used in war to deceive and demoralize the enemy. But these guys went way overboard, Gardiner says. "Never before have so many stories been created to sell a war," he insists. "And they probably didn't need it."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/031020/whispers/20whisplead.htm

[Tempest]

1. Please provide cite for article

Thanks.

[cthrumatrix]

91. I think this might be a tricky avenue to prosecute....

Did they systematically decieve, manipulate , lie ...yes they did. Can we connect this as an illegal act...where lives were lost uneccessarily.

They sold and spun the war...for who? Who benefited? No WMD's found on the level we were told...self defense seems to be week case as well.

SO why ? If PNAC..is this illegal, immoral...? I would say yes. Can we get the time of day for the politicians (bought and paid for) or the media (owned by corporations and elite) to fall on thier swords as well...since they did not press , ask questions etc.....


I'm not sure what the heck happens with such a well documented case of what we have known for some time.

Any thoughts

[joeybee12]

2. Good news--US News is not exactly liberal

Can it be that everyone is starting to hate these evil pr**ks????

[Philostopher]

8. I've noticed US News is fairly even-handed

At least in recent months, and compared to the Warner and Murdoch owned rags. They're far from 'liberal,' but they do present a lot of ambiguous information. In fact, it could almost be said that they present the information without any spin on it at all, giving their readers credit for being able to do the analysis by themselves.

I was surprised -- it's been years since I was able to read a national news magazine without wanting to use it as a cat pan liner.

[Rose Siding]

31. Bet they were carefully chosen to run this

Wilson et al would be looking for maximum credibility.

[damnraddem]

97. Why would you do such a terrible thing to your cat?

"it's been years since I was able to read a national news magazine without wanting to use it as a cat pan liner." ;-)

[Newsjock]

3. OMIGAWD! Read the PDFs! Read the PDFs!

US News posted the full text of Gardiner's paper! Look at those PDF links off to the side.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

13. WOW - YES - Read the PDF's!!! nt

[Rose Siding]

27. A HEART attack!

The investigative reporter working with this guy had a heart attack in Iraq.

This is wicked...

[flamingyouth]

56. I was seriously tin-foiled back when I read that he'd died

Very weird.

Although I know someone who used to live with Mark on assignment in Kosovo, and she said he was a rather hard-living guy. Still, we can't help but wonder...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

62. He apparently died today...here's his obituary...

Mark Fineman
<http://www.legacy.com/LegacySubPage1.asp?Page=APStory&Id=6347>

"LOS ANGELES (AP) – Mark Fineman, an award-winning correspondent for the Los Angeles Times, died Tuesday of an apparent heart attack while on assignment in Iraq. He was 51.

Fineman was waiting with a colleague in the offices of the Iraqi Governing Council for an interview when he complained of chest pains and collapsed, Times staffers in Baghdad said. He was taken to a hospital but doctors could not revive him."

Very weird.

[maggrwaggr]

65. can't ricin (castor bean) induce heart attacks, untraceably?

Sure have been a lot of people involved in such things dying of heart attacks and small plane crashes lately

Those saudis for instance.

[Fovea]

124. No.

Ricin is traceable and a cytotoxin.
It turns off your metabolism.

http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/ricin/ricin.html#ricmech

[Rose Siding]

67. The PDF says he died on Sept 23

The page you linked is dated today and says he died on a Tuesday, but there is no date I saw in the article.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

70. You're correct...my bad. Here's another article which gives the...

...correct date, and also announces the departure of Robin Wright to the Washington Post. She was another LA Times reporter who also reported on the same areas as Finemen.

Wright bails on LAT
<http://www.laobserved.com/archive/000793.html>


Here's an article with a shared byline by Fineman, Wright, and McManus...

Bush Administration Promises Perpetual War
Preparing for War, Stumbling to Peace
U.S. is paying the price for missteps made on Iraq
By Mark Fineman, Robin Wright and Doyle McManus
Times Staff Writers
July 18, 2003
<http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/07/274471.html>

[lostnfound]

71. Could be vaccine-related.

The David Bloom heart attack/blood clot death was possibly tied to the smallpox vaccine. http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Military_mute_on_082103.htm

[DeepModem Mom]

85. Fineman had warnings re. medical condition,

I've heard, but they did not stop him. He was a hero.

[Gloria]

106. Fineman? No relation to Howard the Duck Fineman, I gather....

maybe? NAH!

[DeepModem Mom]

134. Not if journalistic integrity runs in the family....nt

[Must_B_Free]

109. Must have been eating dinner with Yassir Arafat

.

[cthrumatrix]

39. We will see just HOW LIBERAL our media is...won't touch this!

Let's have a debate bewteen the author and Hannity...the author and O'reilly, the author and Tweety / Russert.

So they can all be informed of the truth.....like throwing "water" on the wicked witch(s).

[goforit]

140. I'm melting ....I'm melting....!!!!!!!!!!!!!......HeeHeeHeeHeee...........

That is a brilliant idea!!!!

But lets tell them and tape their mouths so they can hear the whole thing with out interupting with their spin tactics.

[catzies]

53. Tons of people must be grabbing those PDFs right now.

It is sssslllllloooooooowwwwwwww...

[NashVegas]

95. Was This the Guy Who Gamed and Kicked Rummy's Ass?

I remember that story from about 18 months ago. The team running against the Pentagon was consistently beating their asses, so Rummy kept changing the rules/programming.

[TacticalPeek]

98. Believe that was a different infidel.

:)

[ewagner]

4. Wilson is taking a page from the neocon playbook

As long as the Bushies have to fight off one scandal after another, then they are on the defense and defensive positions in either politics or war are losers.......

on edit: just read the pdf's.....I think we all knew some of this but this is the first time I've seen it compiled...

Also, the fact that there was a FORMAL STRUCTURE is absolutely criminal!

[Cha]

7. My contention is they picked the Wrong person to

mess with this time! I wish we had Senators like Wilson!

[Cocoa]

11. I suspect John Kerry has something to do with this

and I suspect Rand Beers has somethihng to do with it as well...

Senators, especially ones running for Presiden, are limited in how directly they can operate.

[Eloriel]

35. Oh yeah And then what did ya dream?

Pure fantasy, Cocoa. Nice try.

Eloriel

[Cocoa]

38. please relax

it's admittedly just total speculation.

But you know, when the administration's terrorism chief leaves the White House during the war, and joins the campaign of a candidate looking to replace Bush, can you blame me for thinking Kerry is going to somehow make use of things Beers knows?

And now Wilson has already done major damage twice, now he's part of yet a third story, and he's also associated with Kerry.

So there it is, there's the entire basis for my speculation. Like I said, it's just a guess.

[Guaranteed]

30. Yeah this is the CIA not letting the Bushes

off the hook, just like we know they won't. This stuff is going to keep coming until Bush is gone.

[goforit]

142. You know there is a long line of bushies this is gonna hurt!...Ouch!!

LOL!!!!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

48. The Bushies didn't attack the "wrong person"...

...they attacked the wrong AGENCY. To be honest, the CIA is only ONE organization that the Bushies have gone after since the 2000 coup.

But now the Bushies are seeing the fruits of their labors:

--the CIA, a group that the Bushies have tried to blame for overseas intelligence breakdowns, is releasing damaging information on the Bushies, a little at a time;

--the FBI, a group that the Bushies have tried to blame for domestic intelligence breakdowns, whose leadership recently reviewed and approved a scathing editorial written by a recent FBI whistleblower;

--the military senior leadership, a group that the Bushies have tried to blame for the inability to capture Osama and Saddam, has been allowing the public criticism of the Bushies in television and letters to the editor. Additionally, the Bushies have cut benefits to the troops and to soldiers who fought in WWII and Korea who were promised lifetime health and medical care;

--the faction of the civilian leadership of the Pentagon, those that are true public servants and have grown to hate Rumsfeld and the NeoCons, have also been involved in releasing damaging leaks;

--a strong faction within the DOJ that dislikes Ashcroft and his policies has begun ruling against the desires of the Bushies;

--the mainstream U. S. media that has been completely subservient to the Bushies has been turned loose by their extremely conservative corporate owners because the owners no longer believe the Bushies are capable of righting the economic ship.

[Zhade]

129. You would think that BushCo would try NOT to piss off these groups.

CIA: group that can follow your every movement.

Military: group with the guns.

All the rest: people who can leak info on BushCo like a sieve, and those who are more powerful than the administration - the people who bankrolled the whole deal.

Very incompotent for a would-be dictatorial regime.

EDIT: removed sexist "guys with the guns" for equitable comment. :D

[goforit]

141. Bingo!!!!

:bounce:

[E_Zapata]

5. Look at the first PDF......page 2

The LA times reporter who was covering the war in Baghdad, Mark Fineman, 'died of an apparent heart attack' on September 23rd in Baghdad.......

When will the people trying to tell the truth learn that they need to create a big stir around them and not try to keep things under wrap until they launch their stories. They end up dead, otherwise.

[Wickerman]

10. I see you caught your oversight

but it would've been a good point.

The comment you made... "But how dangerous is it for him to talk about what 'he knows' and is going 'to tell'?"
Did you mean isn't it as dangerous for him to talk about telling what he knows as just telling it?

These whole Bush* cabal Is incredibly dangerous to the health of people who want to see actual justice done, and will happily off anyone who gets in the way of their plan to own the world.

[E_Zapata]

14. Yes, exactly.......

I deleted my original post, but ADDED something that made my point. The journalist helping Gardiner died in an 'apparent' heart attack in Baghdad. Interesting that Gardiner reports it as 'apparent'. Smart guy.

I think it is MORE dangerous to talk about about you might say, than it is to tell it. Case in point: Wilson is still alive and well. Fineman is dead, dead, dead.

This is a scary bunch of thugs running things. Really scary.

[Wickerman]

21. yep

I caught that apparant notation too. 4 months after the fact you only include that to let people know that there is a whole lot more to the picture than meets the eye, hey, hey, healthy journalists just don't up and die.

With apologies to Mr. Young.

[Cha]

6. It's called overkill and it Should be Blowing Up

in their faces!

Where are the dems in the senate on "treasongate"?

[TacticalPeek]

36. Dems in both Houses can do only two things:

jawbone and lose party-line votes.

The question up til now has been: where are the moderate Repubs? They've been whipped into their corsets so far.

But this broadside should push them past their tipping point. This is the land of structure and proper function of government, war and policy and all that.

Plus, the protection and power of congressional oversight is required especially in this case due to the nature of classified information, sensitive government employment, etc. This is one of the reasons that so much falls to Wilson, versus current employees, 'oathed' secrecy, potential abuse of leak hunts, and so forth.

At some fast-approaching point, the mod R's will perceive a 'sooner gets us more control' benefit, and then inquiry begins.

[Cocoa]

59. Daschle was talking about treasongate today

on the Senate floor, as reported here at DU, broadcast on C-span2, mostly ignored.

[cthrumatrix]

68. Well this will get their attention....it get's to a BIGGER ISSUE

how corrupt and manipulated they have become in their quest for war, power and greed...and now it's documented.

[goforit]

143. They are part of the Party!!!.....Congress Sucks!.Fire them all!!!

Shame on all of them!!!

This has been the biggest GANG RAPE in world history!!!

[Cocoa]

9. Remember those Pentagon briefings?

Richard Myers is such a bad liar. He was trained as a soldier, not an actor, so it's understandble he couldn't pull it off.

[lindashaw]

20. Yes, and I need to find the one where Rumsfeld said they were

considering using misinformation, and the press blew a gasket. Does anyone remember seeing that bruhaha in print?

[Cocoa]

26. It's discussed in Gardiner's preface!

Rummy's ministry of Truth is a major premise of this whole paper!

[lindashaw]

25. Nevermind, this has already been explained on page 5.

[snippy]

12. Probably all part of the White House Iraq Group operation

as described by Walter Pincus.

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

The first days of September would bring some of the most important decisions of the prewar period: what to demand of the United Nations in the president's Sept. 12 address to the General Assembly, when to take the issue to Congress, and how to frame the conflict with Iraq in the midterm election campaign that began in earnest after Labor Day.

A "strategic communications" task force under the WHIG began to plan speeches and white papers. There were many themes in the coming weeks, but Iraq's nuclear menace was among the most prominent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39500-2003Aug9.html

The WHIG not only chose what lies to use, it also chose when, where, and how the lies would be disseminated. And by whom.

The creation, organization, and coordination of the number, breadth, and scope of the lies told by the Bush administration concerning the invasion of Iraq is staggering. In a way, it also is impressive.

[E_Zapata]

15. Can someone archive these PDFs?

Seriously, we need to save these and refer to them as the 'war memos' or something.

[arcane1]

17. saving them to my hard drive now

the bastards

[Noordam]

37. I am saving them

:evilgrin:

[JNelson6563]

16. Thanks for posting

Great source!!

Julie

[lindashaw]

18. I just finished printing Colonel Gardiner's paper. Thank you for

posting. This may well be the most important thing I will ever read. I sent this man an e-mail. What courage he has. I hope he doesn't wind up like poor Mark Fineman.

[Zhade]

131. Hey, can I get that email address?

NT!

[Spazito]

19. Wow!

Those PDF pages are a MUST read!

[Nottingham]

22. Oh Wilson is got Bush by the balls and squeezing!

The Longer Bush keeps these traitors in office! Wilson is gonna squeeze! :bounce:

[Rose Siding]

23. Why is WILSON having to run point on this!?

There MUST be other, equally credible who could circulate this text. Surely the dissatisfaction with Bush is felt by a broader base than one. Will no one else step up on this?

Wilson is being put in the position of looking of looking as though he's going after the admin in retaliation for what they've done to his family. Who can blame him and I wish him the best but why is he still out front on this alone?

[lindashaw]

28. Hmmm, I suggest you read an article at the log-in titled The Great

Spark Hunt. I have a feeling that this is part and parcel of what Raul Groom was talking about. Easier for Wilson to do it without the fingerprints of the CIA, isn't it? Just a theory...

[wildwww2]

128. Live bait maybe? Are they trying to catch the Bu$h gang murdering

someone? Bu$h Inc. have surely murdered enough people. Even without the bombs my tax dollars pay for. It`s time for my tax dollars to send the Bu$h crime family to jail where they all belong.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[goforit]

144. Excellent point!!!

Go CIA!!!

[TacticalPeek]

24. Big. Christmas and the Pentagon Papers came early this year.

Its a 4.7 MB pdf.

snippet:

You will see in my analysis and comments that I do not accept the notion that the
first casualty of war is truth. I think we have to have a higher standard.

In the most basic sense, Washington and London did not trust the peoples of their
democracies to come to right decisions. Truth became a casualty. When truth is a
casualty, democracy receives collateral damage.

My plea is for truth. I believe we have to find ways to restore truth as currency of
government in matters as serious as war. My story would be important if it were the last
chapter of the book. It’s not. There is more to come. As the United States struggles with
a post-conflict Iraq, distortions continue. Probably of more concern, major players in the
game are working on ways to do it “better” in future conflicts.

In other words, it appears as if the issues of this war will become even more
important for future wars. We have reason to be concerned.


Another way to summarize the study:


Summary

• Clearly, the assumption of some in the government is the people
of the United States and the United Kingdom will come to a
wrong decision if they are the given truth.

• We probably have taken “Information Warfare” too far.

• We allowed strategic psychological operations to.
become part of public affairs.

• We failed to make adequate distinction between strategic
influence stuff and intelligence.

• Message became more important than performance.

The concepts of warfare got all mixed up in this war. I’ll come back to this
subject later, but what has happened is that information warfare, strategic influence,
strategic psychological operations pushed their way into the important process of
informing the peoples of our two democracies. The United States and the UK got too
good at the concepts they had been developing for future warfare.

[wryter2000]

29. This is incredible

Is there some way to get this back on the front page?

Joe Wilson, American patriot and hero

[goforit]

145. Just like the movie "CAST AWAY" .....Wilson the vollyball!!!..LOL!!

:bounce:

[Rose Siding]

32. Has anyone heard of

analyst Sam Gardiner before? The pdf gives a brief res but it would be good to know more about him. Wilson must know he's solid as a rock to come out with this.

[Cocoa]

34. he was on PBS throughout the war

regular ex-military panel on Lehrer's NewsHour, Gardiner was one of the analysts. He was very good.

[dw]

46. Here's some background on Gardiner

Transcripts of interviews on PBS News Hour on the http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june03/warstrategy_3-21.html">third and http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june03/baghdad_03-22-03.html">fourth days of the invasion.

And an article he wrote on http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A6820-2002Jan19¬Found=true">war gaming.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. Here's a video of Sam Gardiner on Australian television...

<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4913.htm>

...it also includes the transcript.

[Snellius]

33. The Private Lynch story may have been staged?

Private Jessica Lynch

“In the Joint Operations Center, Air Force Capt. Joe Della Vedova
followed the raid as it happened, and as soon as Lynch was in the
air phoned Jim Wilkinson, the top civilian communications aide to
CENTCOM Gen. Tommy Franks. ‘She is safe and in our hands,’ he
reported. The whole operation, expected to take 45 minutes, was
over in 25. Next Della Vedova called Gen. Vince Brooks..”
Newsweek, April 14

In the early hours of April 2, correspondents in Doha were
summoned from their beds to CENTCOM. Jim Wilkinson, the
White House's top figure there, had stayed up all night. …"The
president had been briefed, as had the Secretary of Defense."

The first and unexplained part of the story is that just after she was returned to US custody, the first call was to Jim Wilkinson, CENTCOM Director of Strategic Communications. This is very strange for a military operation. When I tell military friends, they often respond, “Do you suppose they staged it?”

I don’t have any information about it being staged, but we do know from Wilkinson that the President and Secretary of Defense were briefed immediately.
...
On the afternoon of the 3rd when Rumsfeld and Myers gave their press briefing, the story on the street was that she was America’s new Rambo. We know. However, that they had been briefed. We know he would have been aware of her injuries. When asked, he pulled back. He left the Washington Post story as possibly being right. Again, we see the pattern. When the story on the street supports the message, it will be left there by a non-answer. The message is more important than the truth.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_3.pdf

[RainDog]

81. Jim Wilkinson?

Is this the same person that the libertarian guy wrote about who then said Wilkinson didn't exist?

anyone have a copy/link of that story? It appeared around July or August, just as Wilson was coming forward with his information.

also- I can't open the pdfs either...or when I do, they're blank, and the other time they crashed my computer.

so, please, save copies for those of us who are having trouble getting to them right now. I may ask someone to send them to me.

Are they copyrighted, I wonder? Are govt docs copyrighted? Can they be posted as a thread here?

[Snellius]

101. Try this:

Download pdf files using "Save Target As"
If you can't open the pdf file, download the latest update to Adobe Acrobat.
They're fairly large files.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

105. Wilkinson...archived thread & article & posts about it & him

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2966

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml



White House admits Bush lied about Iraqi nukes

Edited on Tue Jul-08-03 02:11 PM by OhMyGod

An intelligence consultant who was present at two White House briefings where the uranium report was discussed confirmed that the President was told the intelligence was questionable and that his national security advisors urged him not to include the claim in his State of the Union address.

"The report had already been discredited," said Terrance J. Wilkinson, a CIA advisor present at two White House briefings. "This point was clearly made when the President was in the room during at least two of the briefings."

Bush's response was anger, Wilkinson said.

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

On edit link:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

[ElsewheresDaughter]

119. two articles on Jim Wilkinson & Karen Huges..... MUST READ!

posted by Robbien on GD
an article with good background on Jim Wilkinson
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/19/Hillsborough/Central_Command_spoke.shtml

It reports that he is a protege of Karen Hughes, and that he was expected to remain with the Bush administration after the war to work on the re-election. However he left in August giving no reason to the press.

some interesting bits:

Wilkinson, who served in the Navy Reserve, was special assistant to the president since the administration's earliest days in office. He coordinated communications for White House domestic and foreign policy agendas.

Before joining the White House, Wilkinson served as spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

During the Florida recount after the election, Wilkinson served as Miami-Dade County recount team spokesman for Bush.


and posted by janekat on GD

more on wilkinson from (ironically) Paul Bedard
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/whispwebarch.htm

Wilkinson returns to GOP politics


Former GOP communications big gun Jim Wilkinson, shipped to U.S. Central Command to handle press releases during the Iraq war, is returning to his roots. The Republican National Committee Tuesday said the P.R. big gun was going to take over communications for the 2004 Republican presidential convention in New York City. The announcement was made by convention manager Bill Harris.

For a guy who's done a lot in party political communications, the convention job will be a first and insiders say it could set Wilkinson up for a major job in a second Bush term.

Included in his resume are jobs like deputy White House communications director, head of the National Republican Congressional Committee's communications shop, and top aide to former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Right after 9/11, he ran the Coalition Information Center, which put out anti-Taliban information.

Wilkinson, 33, will leave Central Command Wednesday. He'll probably also leave behind his military fatigues, which the Navy reservist wore during TV interviews and war press briefings

[Zhade]

130. New York will be wild next year. I hope to make it there for the con!

NT!

[jayfish]

40. He Needs To Add The GI Letters To The Editor Propaganda

to his subject list. I don't know if these documents will ever be complete. Something new is outed on a daily basis.

Jay

[Cocoa]

51. Gardiner says this is only the first chapter

:-)

[arcane1]

41. KICK

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

42. Neo-conservative dominated military think-tanks provide structural

conceptual framework for much of realpolitik.
Know what they know before they know you know.

Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

Shock and Awe
http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html

Warfare in the 21st Century
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/library/bibs/warfar03.htm

[PATRICK]

43. Secrecy pierced

Energy papers. Just one conference about vote rigging by the Bush boys. This is that kind of stuff, but the conclusion at the end of the pdf. is where we are at or have been at for years.

Like the end of the picture "The Day of the Condor" only much much worse. BBV. Indifference to all the hits America is taking until it hits so close to home it would be too late to think or react anyway.

Wilson is one of the woken and startled to find that is a lonely state and that others prefer the dark when given the choice.

So how much of the human race is cynically resigned to its doom at the hands of crooks and maniacs? For all those inclined to relax and think life is rosy and a private vacation earned by some twisted definition of "progress"- feel the heat.

[cthrumatrix]

44. Media ....the ball is your court....or is "code red" being readied?

This is too close to home....what happens when they need a diversion?

[Rose Siding]

45. Call Senators and Reps

They will need to be briefed on this. I called and EACH of mine took the site and title, author. I've never seen them this interested before.

Mention Wilson and they snap it up.

[cthrumatrix]

47. We know they are owned....let's see how this is spun by

both parties....let's see the stripes of our candidates...let's see how much the media is soooo liberal....

[Hegemony Cricket]

49. Also contact local media...

I've sent emails to all of my local papers and TV stations.

Don't expect anything from it, but the more folks that see this means we're more likely to get at least one to run with it.

[sonias]

50. Great find and a great story.

Thanks for the tip kstewart33. I saved copies of the pdf files too. We need to let all the media blogs know about this story.

I agree with one of the comments made on this thread, Wilson would be a great Senator.

Sonia

[kstewart33]

55. Glad to oblige, sonias

I just hope some one in the media picks this story up and runs with it, big time.

[Unknown Known]

52. WOWSER! This is paydirt!

And now that Boy George says that he's in charge of everything - makes him the #1 Pointman for all the lying, deception, fraud, illegal and treasonous activities.

[Oilwellian]

54. I do believe....

we've just hit the motherload. Dana Priest hinted the CIA leak scandal will take a different turn this week. This has to be what he was talking about. Wilson's story exposed one of the many lies this administration told to push for war in Iraq, and it appears "they" are combining the two scandals. This is huge! Thanks for the link.

[hang a left]

96. I have seen those penquins for the last 4 days or so after your posts

I have to tell you that is the funniest thing in the world. I called my youngest kid (9) over to my desk and all of his friends and they were rollin on the floor.

[Oilwellian]

113. Well thanks!

I've gotten a tremendous response from fellow DU'ers since I made it part of my signature. It IS absolutely hysterical and I still laugh at it when I post here. I'm glad you, your son and his friends enjoyed it so much. :D

[9215]

136. This should be brought to the attention

of Elementary Penguin for discussion. :)

[goforit]

146. LOL!!!!...ROFLMAO!!!!!...........Love yo penguins!!!!

:bounce:

[phillybri]

57. Kick

:kick:

[morebunk]

60. Kicking, but see my post at GD that shoots holes in the latest PR

I sure hope that the PR campaign backfires on them.

[Braden]

61. the chickens are coming home to roost y'all!

the PFC Lynch story is so over the top that Oxy-Moron's are starting to doubt it.

Go Wilson!

[Zhade]

132. OXY-MORONS: that is the greatest title for Rush followers. Genius!

NT!

[Zero Gravitas]

63. I am shocked, SHOCKED! to discover

that the Bush* Administration is made up of lying treasonous bastards.

[0007]

80. I'am appalled -

Just think what affect this will have on the little ones. They'll be traumatized to say the least. Now I can understand why junior's daughters drink so much, 'eh? LOL!!

I love it!

[karlschneider]

64. Drat, can't get the PDFs to load, guess I'll try again later

:grr:

[arcane1]

75. try right-clicking on them, and choose save target as

put them on your hard edrive before these are "Diebolded"

and a KICK!!

[karlschneider]

90. Aha, it worked this time.

:D

[Dhalgren]

66. Great !

Keep it up!

[Tatiana]

69. I am so in love with Joe Wilson.

Damn, but that man has balls of steel. Go get 'em JOE! What a bombshell he's about to drop...

(And I have a feeling there will be many more.)

[Stephanie]

72. Can someone please summarize why this matters?

I'm about to read it, but I don't know who Gardiner is, or why his opinion counts for anything, or why the analysis in this paper is anything new. Please tell me why you are so excited about this paper. Is he important enough to have an impact?

[RobinA]

89. My Thoughts Exactly

I don't get what the big deal is. It's not a document, it's a paper written by some guy. Even if it's true, which it probably is, it's basically an opinion piece. If it were on VP letterhead labeled "Game Plan," dated 9/12/01 and signed by the hidden man himself I might care.

[Cat Atomic]

92. I'm waiting for the same info.

.

[Logansquare]

111. Good question. Evidence of journalistic spine?

may be the most significant thing to come from this. The spin will be that this is an opinion piece, by a low-level analyst, or they will go the straight character assassination route. However, the actual publication of this in a major news magazine indicates that some in the Fourth estate are getting a little peeved at being spun and played and downright censored. They are jabbing the hornets nest to see what comes out.

[Oilwellian]

73. Another story about Gardiner

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s828524.htm

[in_cog_ni_to]

74. Call me cynical.....call me a conpiracy theorist

but Joe Wilson needs to look over his shoulder at all times. Stay off of small aircraft. Check his car for bombs. NEVER eat food cooked by anyone other than his wife. Get his wife and children out of this country and get his CIA friends to cover his back, 24/7! Damn. When I read that Mark Fineman just died, I had a cold chill wash over me. THAT is just too much of a coincidence! No more coincidences for me.

[bobthedrummer]

86. When moles attack.

Moles.

[in_cog_ni_to]

112. Oh...

I forgot about the moles! <sigh> :x(:

[reprobate]

147. Ok, you're cynical, and a conspiracy theorist. And you're RIGHT!

[goforit]

148. They need a panic room just like Cheney's!!!.....LOL!!!

God Bless the WILSONs!!!

[shirlden]

76. Just sent an e-mail to my brother

He is now retired but was an instructor at the Army War College for several years. He was a part of that oxymoron "Army Intelligence".
Would like to know more about this Sam Gardiner. Will post here if I get anything interesting from him.

[trof]

82. Here's a photo

and links to the pdfs.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_1.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_2.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_3.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_4.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_5.pdf
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_6.pdf



I remember seeing him on PBS.

[0007]

88. This isn't what Sam Gardiner

looks like from what I've googled.

This is the Sam Gardiner I get. What gives?

[Oilwellian]

83. Here's more

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/jan-june03/warstrategy_3-21.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/iraq_06-19.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0721/p02s01-usfp.htm (very interesting)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0708/p01s03-woiq.html

[RevolutionStartsNow]

77. Heroes

I saw Steve Earle the other night, and he was riffing on how we desperately need a hero right now (before singing about Woodie Guthrie).

I think we found our hero.

Let's all do what we can to get behind Joe Wilson, write to your major and minor news outlets in his support.

[Wickerman]

99. I would love to see Earle these days

Christmastime in Washington is essential listening these days.

It's Christmas time in Washington
The Democrats rehearsed
Getting into gear for four more years
Things not getting worse
Republicans drink whiskey neat
And thank their lucky stars
Said he cannot seek another term
They'll be no more FDRs
I sat home in Tennessee
Just Staring at the screen
An un-easy feeling in my chest
And I'm wondering what it means

So come back Woody Guthrie
Come back to us now
Tear your eyes from paradise
And rise again some how
If you run into Jesus
Maybe he can help you out
Come back Woody Guthrie to us now

instrumental

I Followed in your footsteps once
Back in my travel days
Somewhere I failed to find your trail
Now I'm stumblin' through the haze

But there's killers on the highway
And man can't get around
So I sold my soul for wheels that roll
And I'm stuck here in this town
So come back Woody Guthrie
Come back to us now
tear your eyes from paradise
And rise again some how
If you run into Jesus
Maybe he can help us out

Come back Woody Guthrie to us now
There's foxes in the hen house
Cows out in the corn
The Unions have been busted
The proud red banners torn
To you listen to the radio
You'd think it all was real
But you and me and Cisco know
It's going straight to hell
So come back Emma Goldman
Rise up old Joe Hill
The barracades are going up
They cannot break our will
Come back to us Malcolm X
And Martin Luther King
We're marching into Selma
As the bells of freedom ring
So come back Woody Guthrie
Come back to us now
Ttear your eyes from paradise
And rise again some how

[amish_enforcer]

78. Hey !!!!

Get those cats back in the bag!

Great read! Will this get legs???

[ramblin_dave]

79. I'm confused

The USNews link says "Wilson tells us he plans to circulate the text of a briefing by analyst Sam Gardiner that suggests the White House and Pentagon made up or distorted over 50 war stories." But then there's all the pdf files right there. So are these files what Wilson was "planning" to release or something else? Did Wilson give these files to USNews?

Some posters in the GD thread are suggesting that this story looks fishy.

[0007]

84. How about a GD link!

* Sam Gardiner *

[piece sine]

93. after reading all the attached PDFs

I'm left wondering why this document has any more weight than, say, a Michael Kinsley column. Frankly, as much as I liked Gardiner's message, his medium leaves a lot to be desired. This no more official that the complicated rants some DUers post every day. Sorry to be cynical, but there's a tendancy around here to get all excited about something, only to have it deflate or disappear in a matter of days. It's exhausting and frustrating. Better to keep our powder dry until factual verification is in hand. This is rooted in US News' weekly gossip column. It's followed by an item about how Chelsea's BF Ian got Gramdma's car for Grandma their a dinner out, that Chelsea paid for. WOW! At the risk of being a flame-able killjoy, I WANT SOMETHING CAPABLE OF STICKING before I again get all hot 'n bothered.

[piece sine]

94. after reading all the attached PDFs

I'm left wondering why this document has any more weight than, say, a Michael Kinsley column. Frankly, as much as I liked Gardiner's message, his medium leaves a lot to be desired. This no more official that the complicated rants some DUers post every day. Sorry to be cynical, but there's a tendancy around here to get all excited about something, only to have it deflate or disappear in a matter of days. It's exhausting and frustrating. Better to keep our powder dry until factual verification is in hand. This is rooted in US News' weekly gossip column. It's followed by an item about how Chelsea's BF Ian got Gramdma's car for Grandma their a dinner out, that Chelsea paid for. WOW! At the risk of being a flame-able killjoy, I WANT SOMETHING CAPABLE OF STICKING before I again get all hot 'n bothered.

[Cocoa]

100. I agree, it's not right to see this as any kind of smoking gun

but it's a very good analysis, imo, of things that everyone has forgotte n about.

I think it could do some damage to Bush in light of how bad things have gotten in Iraq, and combined with the criticism of the bad planning.

There seems to have been a lot of effort put into this propaganda, what if those resources were put instead into planning, I wonder if some dead soldiers and Iraqis would be alive today.

[alfredo]

87. Do make sure all media outlets get this

OK? don't waffle, just do it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

102. In light of this article, has anybody noticed the PR offensive...

...by the White House to make it appear as if everything is improving in Iraq?

I guess that makes up for going to war under false pretenses and costing us a raising casualty rate in a country full of people that hate us.

[cthrumatrix]

103. Totally agree...this is the last thing the WH wants people to know.....

The crime here is the deliberate deception for war and the selling of the war.

This is just a snapshot of what has been documented. No proof of WMD's yet and how many lives has it cost the US and it's standing in the global community.

Ask America how they feel after this article is read....we have been had by this admin....for what? Who gains from the violence, the contracts, the legislation etc....?

[Polemonium]

114. Oxymoron - truth and US foreign policy

This kind of thing ain't new, but shrub et al seem to have taken it to a new level. Thanks for the read.

[jamesinca]

104. In light of this article

let us not forget that America has grown tired of Terror Alerts and that would be an admission of failure because the borders would be no safer, Australia censured PM John "Major" Howard last week, the letters home from soldiers about how well it is going in Iraq, the leak of Valarie Plames name, Iraq Governing Council saying it supports war on Isreal if they don't leave Syria alone, the Kurds banding together and saying they are going to start waring with Turkey if things don't settle down, David Kay reporting that they have found nothing, an inability to get the U.N. to back their war, Sen. Kennedy coming out and saying that it was a war made up in TX and uses blackmail and bribery for support, SAGGING APPROVAL RATINGS, Bush being laughed off the stage of the U.N. a few weeks ago, Wesley Clark I think scares the shit out of the current administration and I am a Dean supporter.

This article is just one of several things, but maybe it will be the most read. Also the loss of the vulgar pig boy to oxycontin for 30 days, lets face it this sub is a second stringer or he would have his own show on Clear Channel.

[goforit]

149. Hey and ya forgot that Arnold is Gov in CA.

Is this country upside down or what?

[Selwynn]

107. I'm the proud owner of the .pdfs! GREAT resource!

This is one of the most articulate, well-researched, evidenced, thorough case for the treachery of the white house I've ever seen.

Rarely, in my opinion, is the public lucky enough to have something like this come to light.

Great find. Forward it everywhere you can! Save personal copies for yourself!

[jenk]

108. be careful Mr. Wilson

I'm really concerned for this guy's safety

[Rose Siding]

110. In August he joked about that

and said he was sure the WH was hoping he didn't so much as stub a toe- the implication being that they'd be blamed.

[Jackpine Radical]

115. Joke or veiled message--

a warning to Roveco that he has an "insurance policy?"

[Rose Siding]

117. Oooo, a devious mind

I like that in a Jackpine

[Ignoramus]

116. I wish I could sort threaded messages by date

I agree with some of the suspicious people here. There is a heavy right-wing slant to the other items in the washington whispers section. Could this be an attempt to spoil the presentation before it's ready? Repeating someone, why does it say Wilson plans to circulate text of a briefing, and then have links to pdfs of a briefing (that's worded like someone with the verbal skills of a career military guy)?

There are some confusing parts:

He speculates that air marshall brian burridge is engaging in psyops (attempting to inspire revolt) when he says that he thinks Iraqis might act to overthrow the Iraqi govt. once they see it crumbling....

Other examples are more compelling.

There is the cryptic entry:

Black Programs

* Historical
- US responsible for creating and experimenting with AIDS in Africa

What? It's poorly worded. I gather he is saying that that was an example of black propaganda used against the US, but a news hollerer could cite this and the other, and nothing else and say that Sam Gardiner is a whacko who thinks the US was responsible for creating and experimenting with AIDS in Africa, and characterizes a simple bit of speculation by a military person as psyops.

[Zhade]

133. Then there's this snippet:

Crushed Stone

"Pebble Beach" is no more. The pea stone strip on the North Lawn of the White House, created to accommodate the huge growth in TV coverage in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky affair, has been paved over with slate and cement. As a result, the TV folks who use the pad are polling for a new name. Suggestions posted in the White House pressroom include "Liar Patch" and "Launch Pad." But the likely winner is "Stonehenge."

They actually wrote "Liar". Surprised the heck outta me.

[Sliverofhope]

118. Wow. He may not let this die

This is incredible. Kick.

[Darranar]

120. And it was supposedly better than it seemed?

lying Bushies.

[TheReligiousLeft]

121. Just sent this thing to Buzzflash

Hope they get it out there. Maybe the regular media will pick up on it.
KICK

[TheReligiousLeft]

122. Sent to Drudge

Twice. One with my usual email, I think they've put me on some sort of do not listen to list, but I also used another source. Send this thing to him, if he gets enough people wanting him to link to this site he will.
Here is the email address. [e-mail]

[psychopomp]

123. PDF's in HIGH demand

I can't download the entire first file w/o an error. I'll come back and try again later.

[TheReligiousLeft]

125. Check this out

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=535245>

[wabeewoman]

126. Is this what the big news

was coming in October-I think it was Newsguy posting it?? Its big in that it puts all the dirty tricks together in one article and if it is a former bush guy who wrote it, I think it gives it credibility. We may have known this but to the rest of the world we were conspiracy nuts. If this gets any press it'll hopefully make the press look anew at future bush 'programs' like the one they currently have going now saying things are going well in Iraq. BTW, I could only download the first file, 2 and 3 said there were errors and they wouldn't open. Did anyone else have this problem??

[4dog]

127. Very detailed analysis of the military-industrial-*intelligence*

apparatus at work.

[LibertyorDeath]

135. Should keep this kicked

[Jackpine Radical]

137. OK--

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

138. Kick

:dem:

[TheReligiousLeft]

139. kick

:dem:

[lostnfound]

150. A kick, but still pondering why it matters..

I finally read the PDFs but frankly there's only a little in there that was new to me. A daily dose of Democracy Now! revealed many of these frauds -- like the Jessica Lynch story -- a long time ago.

Inonsistencies and lies are rampant, and the BFEE spins the press like mad -- no news there.

The challenge, the important question, is how do you get the public's paradigm changed ('government lies') amidst all the WHITE NOISE they hear through the media every day? The empty space in our lives is so filled up now -- the elevators at work with their 'Captivate' advertising screens, the fast-talking advertisements for 27 minutes an hour, the spin-spin-spin and the fake controversies and titillating stories that make up the daily "news" -- that American brains no longer seems to have a hard drive, just a lot of volatile RAM.

I think "white noise" is part of their strategy. How do you counter it?

[goforit]

151. So what else is new?.......

DUrs all knew these were nothing but lies!!!

[ramblin_dave]

152. Is this story still alive?

I've not seen any other reporting on this.