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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:39 PM
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Nebraska charges man for having sex with 14-year-old wife
Nebraska charges man for having sex with 14-year-old wife

A 22-year-old man who legally married a 14-year-old girl in Kansas after she became pregnant has been criminally charged in Nebraska for having sex with her. Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning said Matthew Koso of Falls City began a sexual relationship with the girl when she was 13. After she became pregnant, her mother gave permission in May for Koso to take their daughter to Kansas, which allows minors to get married with parental consent.


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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1638&u_sid=1468778
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:41 PM
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:43 PM
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4. you need to re read the post
he married a pregnant 14 year old
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:44 PM
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6. Ummm -
He was 21 and she was 13 - they had sex before they were married. Illegal in every state I can think of...
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:48 PM
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9. Yes.
When it's between an adult and a child I sure as hell want the Govt. snooping in.
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:53 PM
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17. Actually.
Just because a teenager is pregnant doesn't mean she was raped. If having sex with a teenager makes you a rapist, we'd have to clear out the high schools of nearly every teenage boy...
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:38 PM
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48. You're wrong
Two 13 year olds having sex is not neccessarily rape.

But then again, you supported sex between a 21 year old man and a 13 year old so you're on the record supporting pedophilia.

Mayhaps the FBI will be paying you a visit for such bullshit.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:47 PM
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57. That may be the legality, but it ain't the reality
Teenagers consent to sex all the time. Sometimes even with adults.

Are we really going to say that teenagers cannot decide when or with whom they will have sex? Or that they can decide to have sex with a 17-year-old but not a 19-year-old or 21-year-old?

I think we also have to draw a distinction between teenagers and little kids. I see some posters referring to this guy as a "pedophile." Is that fair?

While I am not a fan of young men hitting on teenyboppers, in this particular case I say "leave 'em alone." They got married, for heaven's sake. I assume they did that because they love each other. Do we really want or need to prosecute this guy?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:52 PM
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59. Most likely they got married because 13 year old got knocked up.
What's love got to do with it? A pedophile can declare himself in love with a 6 year old. Are you going to support that union as well?

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:08 PM
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65. Neither one of us knows why they got married, do we?
I don't support unions between pedophiles and six-year-olds, no, but the use of the term "pedophile" in this case is something of a red herring. We're talking an eight-year difference in age between a young man and an (obviously) sexually mature 13-year-old. Sleazy? Yes. Bad judgement? Yes. Pedophilia? I don't think that's fair.

It's not that I think 14-year-olds getting married is a great idea. But I will also entertain the possibility that the pair actually like and/or love each other.

They had sex, they got pregnant, they got married. Actually, they sound reasonably responsible. How should they be punished?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:12 PM
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67. The same way any man accused and convicted of
statutory rape is punished.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:14 PM
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68. So you would rather see this guy in prison then trying to make a
family together with his young wife?
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:02 PM
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64. 13 is just too young
Yes, I think "pedophile" fits for an adult who has sex with a 13-year-old.

I'm not sure where i draw the line between "too young" and "criminal", but it's prolly around 16.

As for when it's no longer "too young", that's a real tough one... no set age; it's a matter of maturity. I know 30-somethings who are still "too young".
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:58 PM
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22. Should the girl be
*compelled* to reveal her "rapist"?

No.

Should the police prosecute when she does so voluntarilty.

Yes.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:50 PM
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13. Between consenting adults NO ...
...between adults and children---EVERY damn time!
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:54 PM
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19. *sigh*
Sorry.

By law, chldren under the age of consent CANNOT legally consent to sex.

The actual age varies from state to state, but it is called "statutory rape" when an adult has consensual sex with a child.

13 is a child, period.
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:26 PM
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42. Yes
When it involves adult men having sex with children.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:30 PM
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44. A 13 year old is too young to have "consensual" sex
This is statutory rape
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:41 PM
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50. Yes, when the child is under age.
Pedophiles think that sex with 7 year olds should be legal.
I am sure they would call it consensual as well.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:49 PM
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11. Would you be that understanding if it were your daughter?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:13 PM
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35. I Suspect He'd Be, err, MORE than Understanding
If you get my drift...Blecch!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:13 PM
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34. Yow! You're Defending This Guy??? Blechh, That's Pretty Fucking Creepy!
Keep your young daughters away from this poster, people.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:36 PM
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47. Why are you on DU supporting pedophilia?
WTF is up with that?

:wtf:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:42 PM
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2. The fact that they're now legally married...
Doesn't change the fact that he had sex with a minor before the marriage occured. :shrug:
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:43 PM
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3. If you'd read the blurb... she wasn't his wife when they had sex.
She was his wife after she got pregnant.

Therefore, the law can go after him...
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:44 PM
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5. ...and that should solve a lot of the problems facing us today!
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:45 PM
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7. So.
We shouldn't prosecute criminals unless it solves world hunger in the process?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:01 PM
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26. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
And adult had sex with a minor eight years his junior. Now I can understand and and oppose prosecutions when we are talking about 15/16 or 16/18 pairings, even 15/18 pairings.

But 13/21?

Nope.

Text book example of statutory rape.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:48 PM
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10. Some guys are just dumb.
I guess he thought he would get away with it by marrying this girl.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:49 PM
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12. I question just about everything in this story ...
As far as I'm concerned an adult male had sex with a child ---- NOT OK.
Someone please explain to me why Kansas would allow a 14 year old child to marry anyone ---- parental permission or not.
As a mother of an eleven year old daughter ----- the last thing I would do would be to allow her to marry the sexual abuser that impregnated her ---- an adult that has sex with a 13 year old child is a sexual abuser!
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:52 PM
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16. Fourteen-year-old wife is pregnant
Sex Assault Charge

Fourteen-year-old wife is pregnant


Nebraska prosecutors have charged a 22-year-old Falls City man with sexual assault for having intimate relations with a 14-year-old girl he legally married in Kansas.

Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning says Matthew Koso of Falls City began a sexual relationship with the girl when she was 13.

Bruning says that after the teen became pregnant, her mother gave permission for Koso to take her daughter to Kansas and marry her. Kansas allows minors to get married with parental consent.

"The idea ... is repugnant to me," Bruning said. "These people made the decision to send their ... 14-year-old daughter to Kansas to marry a pedophile."


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http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1737582.html
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:53 PM
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18. The law in many states is that way
It's not statutory anything if the parents approve.

Frighteningly, I think this is fairly common. There was a similar case in VA or MD several years ago that caught a lot of attention, where the child married her older boyfriend with her parents' blessing. And my folks' neighbors were just pleased as punch when the 55-year-old man across the street got their 15-year-old daughter pregnant: He not only had a good paying job but also a nice pension from the mines, that could support all their lazy assses.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:58 PM
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23. This sickens and disgusts me ...
As I said in my initial response, I question every aspect of this and all the players in this sordid mess!
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:17 PM
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37. It was Maryland
Anne Arundel County as a matter of fact. It was in 1998, the spring I think. When my husband and I went to the courthouse to be married by the clerk of the court later that year, it turned out that the chief clerk who did the ceremony was an old school friend of cousins of mine who attended the ceremony. We had a blast because he made the ceremony fun. Afterwards, we got chatting and he said that normally he loves doing weddings, but that wedding had been difficult for him. He knew that the law said if the parents gave their approval, which they had, and the couple seemed happy enough, but he still didn't think it was right. Still, instead of letting one of his subordinate clerks handle it, he did it and took the flak for it.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:52 PM
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15. Had they charged him for relations before the marriage, ...
they would appear to have a case of pedophilia.

But who is a DA to disagree with the law of another state on what constitutes a marriage? I don't approve of the Kansas law; but this could also be used against gay marriages from Massachusetts.
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mudderfudder77 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:54 PM
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20. Okay.
They are charging him for relations before marriage. She was pregnant when they got married, I don't think it was immaculate conception.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:29 PM
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43. No, pedophilia
is sexual attraction to children who have not developed secondary sexual characteristics. ( pubic hair, breasts, pre-menstrual girls, etc.)


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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:42 PM
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53. doesn't matter, they charged him with a crime that occurred PRIOR to the
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 03:44 PM by Walt Starr
marriage.

Pedophilia occurred prior to them getting married and that's what he's scharged with.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:56 PM
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21. the mother is the dumbest one in this story
maybe he had a really nice trailer and she wanted her daughter to live in a bigger better trailer

it was probably her first grand baby and why not let the baby grow up in a bigger better trailer

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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:04 PM
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28. You've hit on something here
plus, might as well have the 14yo give her a grandbaby. Them teens are just too big to cuddle.

This story gets repeated day after day all over America. It's just that usually it is 2 teens of close age - or a 15 and 18yo.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:19 PM
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38. The classism you two are displaying stinks
And I think the speculation is dumb on the face of it but certainly not NEARLY as rampant as your fevered imagination would make it.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:36 PM
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46. And what class are you from?
Two out of three of my daughter's best friends in town were pregnant by age 16. They each have 2 kids now and they're 20. One of them we've lost touch with but the other is on public assistance - as was her family for all of her life. Her dad prefers jail to his family, because that is where he is most of the time.

Her younger sister has now had a kid too - I think she's 16 or 17 now.

Sorry, but you and I live in different Americas.

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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:05 PM
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29. some very nice people live in trailers

and some very poor people...maybe even some on du??
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:11 PM
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33. I love Democratic egalitarianism
:eyes:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 02:59 PM
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24. so the state will drag these people through the mud
probably send the guy to prison, threaten the girl with prison if she doesn't testify, etc

and if she doesn't testify, they'll probably get a court order to get a DNA sample, etc

this sounds like a bad episode of Law and Order
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Used and Abused Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:04 PM
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27. who will support the baby when he is in jail?
This is a tragedy all the way around if you ask me. Of course he belongs in prison, but now a baby is involved.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:43 PM
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54. 13 year olds should be in school, not having babies and getting
married. He should have thought about that when he started screwing around with 13 year old girl.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:05 PM
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30. If guilty
the fellow deserves prison.

They should not COMPEL or threaten her to testify (though I think the husband/wife exemption comes into play).

As to paternity, if she puts his name down as the father on the birth certificate, that's evidence enough.

That said, "Mom" should be prosecuted as well as an "accessory after the fact".
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:00 PM
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25. At least it wasn't in Florida .....
I'm just saying....we have been taking a beating down here
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:09 PM
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31. he did a very wrong thing, then tried to right it.
.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:32 PM
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45. I agree
What good would it do to put the boy away? Now the girl won't have his support while trying to raise that baby, or his love, which I imagine she will need. A pair of dumb, ignorant kids IMO.
Leave them be would be is what I would say. Their life will be hard enough as it is.
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:53 PM
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60. BOY? He's 22...
RAPE is what it was and is...

Lock him up...
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:09 PM
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32. Isn't that a violation of the Mann Act
transporting a minor across state lines to do something-or-other.
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pseudostar Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:16 PM
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36. Oh for fuck's sake
To do my Rumsfeld Impression:

Should 14 year olds be able to get married to 22 year olds?... no
Are they allowed to in Kansas?... apparently
Should 21s be sleeping with 13 year olds?.... fuck no
Is this a twisted situation... damn straight.

It just seems that this prosecution/incarceration will cause infinite more harm to the 'victim' than good.

well, he married the girl... ummmm... i guess that's the honorable thing... ya know... to do in that situation... when ummm... you knock up a fucking 13 year old girl... okay Im still morally confused on how I feel on this one...
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:23 PM
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39. Kansas and Nebraska- 14 year old wife - red state, right?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:26 PM
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41. You might remember Falls City from the 1999 movie Boys Don't Cry.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:45 PM
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56. Well, Nebraska is charging the guy
so take your red state-Blue state separatism and stick it up your ass. Note-I dislike the state of Nebraska but as I said, at least they are rightfully charging the guy. I'm getting real tired of all this red state- blue state shit. We are all still Americans.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:40 PM
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49. Not only did I look 18 when I was 13, I acted like it
and I had a friend who was 13 and worked at a bar, they thought she was 21, and she looked it. BTW, she also had a second baby by the time she was 13. She also was dating a cop and he never knew, until she let it slip.

How do we know that this guy KNEW she was 13. Maybe by the time he found out, she was pregnant, and was in love with her, and decided to marry her.

I'm sorry, but I don't think he should be carrying all the guilt, UNLESS he knew she was 13.

zalinda
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Diogenes2 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:41 PM
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51. Let's see-- 8 year age difference...
legally married. She doesn't have a problem with it... he doesn't... mom doesn't. My call: No one's business but their own.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:42 PM
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52. In the 1870's nobody would have blinked an eyelash
Who cares about these idiots?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:45 PM
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55. There are a lot of things they did in 19th century that we don't
do today. Slavery was legal, for one.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:55 PM
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61. 19th nothing. My grandmother was 14 when she was married
and that was in the 40's. But it is Arkansas. :)
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:59 PM
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62. Well, women couldn't vote well into the 20th century.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 03:59 PM by lizzy
I mean, the things done back then shouldn't be used as an excuse for things done now.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 03:52 PM
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58. Marriage with parental or judicial consent: F12 / M14 in Kansas
Edited on Tue Jul-26-05 03:54 PM by Mairead
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm

Note that California has no lower bound.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:00 PM
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63. Hey Moderator: why did those early message get deleted?
I read them on an earlier go round. How did this guy violate the rules? Did I miss something particularly egregious?
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purple in the south Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:08 PM
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66. Falls City!!!
no kidding I lived there for awhile, same town Girls dont cry movie based on, a couple fo locals murdered a cross-dressing woman and a couple of her friends.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 04:17 PM
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69. Lock
Readers, this thread should not been in LBN in the first place as it's a local crime story. Additionally it has developed into a flamefest, including red/blue state bashing/trailer trash/classism/and personal attacks.
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