NYT/Bolton Not Truthful, 36 Senators Charge in Opposing Appointment

[bunny planet]

http://nytimes.com/2005/07/30/politics/30bolton.html?hp&ex=1122782400&en=d80a91f609daa36a&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Looks like some Dem Senators are going to put up a fuss after all.

[halobeam]

1. On that note, I can fall asleep hopeful, but not expecting too much.

I'll take it. This week sucked.

goodnight.

[bunny planet]

2. Goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the bushbots bite.

[Erika]

3. And if the Bushbots bite

they'll promise you a ruby ring. Due upon a year's indenture to Iraq or Afghanistan.

[bunny planet]

4. I'm kicking my own thread for the morning.

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Gloria]

5. Another kick....

[Erika]

6. One more kick n/t

[Melodybe]

7. Bolton shook down the CIA for Valerie's name! Kick

[Erika]

8. One more kick

for Bunny

[mom cat]

25. Kickity, Kickity KICK!

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[flordehinojos]

9. to tell the bushboy not to do something is like waving a red flag in front

of him with the sad consequence that he will charge full speed ahead.

[zara]

10. Perhaps someone skilled at Jiu Jitsu will goad him into misguided

action, that will blow back in his face.
The harsh reality: the blow back is in OUR face as the bushboy screws up America.

[flordehinojos]

11. if we could only turn hot air back onto him ...

}(

[Dudley_DUright]

12. Here is a list of the 36 Democratic Senators signing the letter

thanks to the "The Washington Note" blog which has been a leader in fighting the Bolton nomination.

Those senators who signed were Durbin, Reid, Clinton, Boxer, Dodd, Biden, Feinstein, Kerry, Corzine, Wyden, Lautenberg, Jeffords, Obama, Salazar, Bingaman, Schumer, Bill Nelson, Feingold, Rockefeller, Reed, Dorgan, Cantwell, Murray, Mikulski, Sarbanes, Leahy, Lincoln, Stabenow, Kennedy, Kohl, Harkin, Landrieu, Levin, Inouye, Dayton, and Akaka.

Nine Democrats (Baucus, Bayh, Byrd, Carper, Conrad, Johnson, Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and Pryor) did not sign, along with all 55 Republicans.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000843.html

[annabanana]

13. Surprised at Byrd.. n/t

[anarchy1999]

20. What is up with our dear Senator Byrd? I'm confused.

n/t

[theHandpuppet]

23. Why doesn't Joe just go ahead and change his party affiliation

So the Dems can run someone against him next go-round?

[hopein08]

34. Most of the nine who didn't sign can just change affiliation...

The Democratic Party wouldn't be missing much.

[54anickel]

14. Ewwww, a "Triple-dog dare ya". Will Shrub pass it up? That might

make him look weak in his self-adoring eyes. Why they are "usurping his AUTHORITY!" (as Cheney would put it).

Wonder what old BeelzeBush is gonna do? Might give us a clue as to how important under-minding the UN is to "the master plan". I'll bet Turd Blossom is weighing the pros and cons of pushing Bolton through as I type.

snip>

Administration officials appeared shaken by the disclosure, and some worried openly that it might hurt Mr. Bolton's chances of a recess appointment, a tactic that a president is permitted use once Congress is in recess in August. The appointment would expire at the end of next year, however.

In a final gesture of opposition, Democratic senators indicated that they would use a parliamentary maneuver to formally send Mr. Bolton's name back to the White House once the Senate adjourns, rather than have it remain pending at the Senate.

That move was seen as symbolic, but one reflecting the growing bitterness of Democrats and their hopes that by standing firm they would make it more politically awkward for Mr. Bush to give Mr. Bolton the interim appointment.

Republicans, on the other hand, said Mr. Bush would likely go ahead and make the appointment as early as next week.

[babylonsister]

15. It's amazing to me how often repugs 'can't remember.' nt

[indepat]

16. Thirty-six senators aren't enough to get the job done

[MrBenchley]

17. Our "liberal" media

It's a funny way to write aheadline--that Bolton WAS untruthful is not a "charge" but a matter of public record...and even Bolton's spokepeople have admitted it while trying to spin it away.

But since only 36 people in the entire world think Bolton is a liar....

What's that called where somebody lies under oath while testifying before the Senate? Oh, that's right, it's a do-over.

We've reached a new low point of hypocrisy in public discourse:
--Bill Clinton is a "perjurer" although nobody can point to any statement he made under oath that was untrue about his private sex life or a penny-ante swindle;
--John Bolton is "charged with being inaccurate" although he lied under oath about whether he was questioned in an investigation into how we went to war under false pretenses and national security was violated.

[Name removed]

18. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[meganmonkey]

19. Game over, pal

at least post different things instead of the same thing over and over.

Geez.

[54anickel]

21. Sure is a busy lil fart.

Added 10 posts somewhere in like 5 minutes!

[meganmonkey]

22. It's gone now

It musta had a lot of coffee. And probably practiced the cut-n-paste for weeks to prepare.

;)

[CantGetFooledAgain]

24. Self-delete

[spanone]

26. BOLTON LIED!! Let's call it what it is....a Fucking LIE.

[bushcrab]

27. Exactly! Whimpy Dems and their verbal tiptoe dancing

drives me nuts as well. Who are they trying to not offend here, because they REALLY offend me by being too polite with these liars. Enough with the "not truthful" bullshit, Dems, call them what they really are.......FUCKING LIARS!!!!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

28. It's not too late for the 15 CAFTA cowards to add their names, either.

Of course, I'm sure that will happen on the day that pigs fly, but we can always hope for the best...right?

[Demeter]

29. It Will Look GREAT When The Prosecutor Indicts Bolton

I don't think he can get diplomatic immunity from the UN.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Framed as the "growing bitterness of Democrats???"

This is the kind of shit that manages its way into a news story that pisses me off.

BITTER MY ASS...a person who claims you could knock ten stories off the UN and it wouldn't matter does NOT deserve to represent us there!

[barbinid]

31. The "deal" has been made

There is no way Bush withdraws Bolton's name. The only hope is that Bolton withdraws his name himself, but I seriously doubt if that wll happen -- you need a conscious to do the right thing, and we all know that none of these thugs have one.

[mrdmk]

37. Mr. Bolton said he would take the recess appointment

Welcome to D.U. bardinid.:hi:

[skip fox]

32. Another Bolton tidbit: He's a natural suspect in the Plame case but never

called.


In the CIA leak case, people talk about Judith Miller's source and the fact that Novak didn't go to jail as major quandaries in the case, but I'd like to pose one just as vibrantly interesting as the others:

Why HASN'T John Bolton been interviewed by the FBI or gone before the grand jury? He would seem to be one of the primary suspects.

1.) he was loyal to the administration that forced him on Powell's State Department (to keep an eye on Powell and report back . . . that was the speculation at the time);

2.) as an undersecretary in charge of arms control and national security his charge overlapped that of Plame's in the CIA (he even gave an interview to State's inspector about the Saddam-Niger-yellow cake affair);

3.) the State Department created a memo which contained the secret ("S/NF") information about the Plame-Wilson-Niger connection in 2003 in response to Wilson's article;


When Rove is interviewed by the FBI twice and then testifies in front of the grand jury three times, when all others have been called, when even the president himself has been interview, what the heck is going on with Bolton? Something is way out of whack here, and it ain't the prosecutor.

Could Bolton be a target?

Could Bolton be cooperating? (That way he could truthfully say he has not testified since he only gave a deposition.)


We should start asking before Bush makes Bolton an interim appointee as American Ambassador to the United Nations. At least that's what I think.

You?

[Bumblebee]

33. This dog does not hunt

I have seen this message you post on many threads and I wish it were true but we also need not to be delusional. The fact that he is yet to talk to Fitz may mean that no one has fingered him yet but that's VERY, VERY remote and is just wishful thinking which we should not engage in because it's confusing to others. It's enough that he lied the way he did, and that he is totally unfit for a position that requires good temperament, judgment and skillful diplomacy. We do not need to grasp at straws. As to the 36 Dem Senators + Jeffords, Chafee did not sign it but is on record saying that he would have not voted for him on the committee had he known that Bolton withheld the info. The only person who can really make a big wave now and possibly avert it is probably Voinovich -- let's see if he has enough courage to do that.

[skip fox]

35. Should should should

Again, the unconsidered use of the imperative.

[Benhurst]

36. A liar? Sounds like the perfect pick to represent BushAmerica. NT