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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:46 PM
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Spy's Notes on Iraqi Aims Were Shelved, Suit Says -NYT
Edited on Sun Jul-31-05 08:49 PM by Rose Siding
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While the existence of the lawsuit has previously been reported, details of the case have not been made public because the documents in his suit have been heavily censored by the government and the substance of the claims are classified. The officer's name remains secret, in part because disclosing it might jeopardize the agency's sources or operations.

Several people with detailed knowledge of the case provided information to The New York Times about his allegations, but insisted on anonymity because the matter is classified.

The former officer's lawyer, Roy W. Krieger, said he could not discuss his client's claims. He likened his client's situation to that of Valerie Wilson, also known as Valerie Plame, the clandestine C.I.A. officer whose role was leaked to the press after her husband publicly challenged some administration conclusions about Iraq's nuclear ambitions. (The former officer and Ms. Wilson worked in the same unit of the agency.)

"In both cases, officials brought unwelcome information on W.M.D. in the period prior to the Iraq invasion, and retribution followed," said Mr. Krieger, referring to weapons of mass destruction.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/01/politics/01weapons.html?
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:49 PM
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1. THIS is some heavy shit. nt
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 08:49 PM
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2. Interesting, any connection to Plame?
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:06 PM
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3. Veeeery In - teresting!
I want to hear more.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:06 PM
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4. More evidence
That the Bush Crime Family was hell-bent on starting a war in Iraq.Irregardless of evidence that Saddam's nuke programs were non-existent.Its about the OIL....Damn fucking thieving scumbag OILMEN from TEXAS....Pardon my French
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:07 PM
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5. If this is true they ignored a huge threat
The informant said Iraq was selling centrifuge parts. Iraq could have sold them to anybody. This conflicts with the idea there was no danger that Iraq would pass along WMD. So, it would have been a big point for the case Bush was making for war. But, this information wasn't passed along.

The larger issue is the danger of what could have happened by ignoring the report. The safe thing to do at the time was buy the components, or arrange a sting. Ignoring this information created a proliferation threat.

For this threat to be ignored, the administration had to be so worried about information getting out that Iraq had ceased its nuclear program that they allowed the very threat they claimed they were going to war to prevent to occur. This is more proof that they were lying about the reasons for war.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:14 PM
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6. Could be, but I have a different read
Where it reads here-

"...the informant told him that Iraq's uranium enrichment program had ended years earlier and that centrifuge components from the scuttled program were available for examination and even purchase."

I think that "us" is implied: "...components from the scuttled program were available (to us) for examination and even purchase (by us)"

:shrug:
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:44 PM
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9. Either way you read it, the agents's info conflicted with WH propaganda
As creeksneakers2 says, more proof that WH was lying about reasons for going to war.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:30 PM
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7. Just like U.S. failed to safeguard the explosives and ammo we found
In the same vein, if the Administration had been genuinely worried about Iraq's connections to and support of terrorism before the invasion and international arms proliferation, there would have been a higher priority placed on securing or promptly destroying those armaments and explosives that were found after the invasion rather than allowing our military to leave them unlocked and unguarded resulting in the looting and subsequent use by insurgents.
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Goblyn Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:41 PM
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8. kick to top
n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 01:26 AM
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16. Hey Goblyn...welcome to DU
:hi:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:44 PM
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10. This is the same kind of behavior the Bush Gang displayed
when they opted not to take out Zarqawi when they had a perfect opportunity prior to the start of the war. They said that they didn't want it to show that an invasion was unnecessary because we could find and take out anyone, anywhere without an invasion. How many of these examples of skulduggery does it take for the media and the people to wake up?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 10:09 PM
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11. I was thinking about Zarqawi too n/t
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 10:36 PM
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12. Because I bet this informant was ACTUALLY inside Iraq
as opposed to Chalabi, who was instrumental in Operation Enrich Halliburton

IF this guy's word got out, Chalabi would not look so good.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:58 PM
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14. Yes I do agree.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:39 PM
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13. kick
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:48 AM
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15. Kick.
:kick:
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:23 AM
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17. Fraud and Coverup
How many others are out there with a story to tell?
Watch Judy Miller and see who tries to get her out and how they do it.
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highnooner Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 06:05 AM
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18. I believe that Fitzgerald's investigation has morphed
from a simple outing case to a fraud case. At least I hope so.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 06:33 AM
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19. Brush and his regime ar pathological liars
They lie about their political opponents, they lie about global warming, they lie about economic data, they lie about going to war. He is like a child who can't get what he wants with the truth so he makes it up. I suppose most Americans liked to be lied to, otherwise they would be marching in the streets.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:21 AM
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20. Kick
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:43 PM
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21. Lawsuit details emerge over CIA Iraq intelligence (no WMD)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1427438.htm

"A former employee said the USA's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was told by an informant in the spring of 2001 that Iraq had abandoned a major element of its nuclear weapons program, the New York Times has reported.
But the newspaper said the agency did not share the information with other agencies or with senior policy makers.
In a lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington in December, the former CIA officer, whose name remains secret, said that the informant told him that Iraq's uranium enrichment program had ended years earlier.
~snip~
The paper said the officer, an employee at the agency for more than 20 years, was fired in 2004.
~snip~
While the existence of the lawsuit has previously been reported, details of the case have not been made public because the documents in his suit have been heavily censored by the government and the substance of the claims was classified, the paper said.

Several people with detailed knowledge of the case provided the newspaper with information about his allegations."

well well well..
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:43 PM
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22. He was dismissed for refusing to go along with this administration?
Punished for providing information from an informant that Iraq's uranium program ended years before? And the administration is censoring government documents relating to this lawsuit?

I'm shocked...because nothing seems to keep this corrupt administration in check.

I wonder if this ex-CIA employee's lawsuit information about the uranium can be incorporated into Fitzgerald's case.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:43 PM
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23. And who was over at the CIA all the time? Crashcart, thats who
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 03:43 PM
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24. This should be added to the timeline of wmd knowledge...
2001 CIA is told by informant (assumed vetted, paid, and trusted) that Iraq abandoned a major element of its nuclear weaspons program.

2004 December - a federal lawsuit is filed against a federal agency/administration by a federal employee with (it is assumed) details of the wmd data/non-data.

How much more is out there saying that Iraq did not have wmds in 2001 and 20002 (or even 1998 when PNAC sent the letter to Clinton asking him to bomb Iraq.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:57 PM
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25. Ex-Official: CIA knew Iraq was nuclear-free
August 01, 2005

Agence France Presse

A former employee has claimed that the Central Intelligence Agency was told by an informant in the spring of 2001 that Iraq had abandoned a major element of its nuclear weapons programme, The New York Times reported.

The New York Times reported on Monday that the agency did not share the information with other agencies or with senior policy- makers.

In a lawsuit filed in the federal court in December, the former CIA officer, whose name remains secret, said the informant had told him that Iraq's uranium enrichment programme had ended years earlier and that the centrifuge components from the scuttled programme were available for examination and purchase. The paper said the officer, an employee at the agency for more than 20 years, was fired in 2004.

In his lawsuit, he says his dismissal was punishment for his reports questioning the agency's assumptions on a series of weapons- related matters, according to The Times.

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=11498&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:57 PM
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26. It's what I would expect out of the CIA... eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 05:57 PM
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27. Dare I wish/hope this will bite the BFEE in their collective
sorry asses? :grr: So they knew for a fact there were no uranium programs but proceeded in deceiving us into war anyway. And despite all this info, they're getting/got away with it.
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