Bush endorses teaching `intelligent design' theory in schools

[Rose Siding]

WASHINGTON - President Bush waded into the debate over evolution and "intelligent design" Monday, saying schools should teach both theories on the creation and complexity of life.


In a wide-ranging question-and-answer session with a small group of reporters, Bush essentially endorsed efforts by Christian conservatives to give intelligent design equal standing with the theory of evolution in the nation's schools.


On other topics, Bush said he has no idea how Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts would vote in a case challenging the legality of abortion because he never asked him about it. He also defended Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro, who was suspended Monday for using performance-enhancing steroids.


Bush declined to state his personal views on "intelligent design," the belief that life forms are so complex that their creation can't be explained by Darwinian evolutionary theory alone, but rather points to intentional creation, presumably divine.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12278497.htm

[wtmusic]

1. Well if the Preznit said so

:crazy:

[ktowntennesseedem]

2. Bush himself makes me question the intelligence of the designer.

At the very least, the designer failed to pass on any intelligence in this one!
:evilgrin:

[oldtime dfl_er]

8. Really!

One reason I don't believe in a higher being is that He/She could never create something so evil as dubya.


http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/658010

[despairing optimist]

78. God and the devil are one and the same, and are laughing at us from hell

Especially at the religionists who, for millennia, have been doing the most unspeakable cruelties on their fellow men in their gods' names and still somehow manage to call it love.

[flakey_foont]

12. I agree

what better proof that there is no intelligence running this whole shebang than having Wanky McAhole in charge of the most powerful nation on earth

[mark11727]

104. Looks like "Quality Control" slipped a bit...

[fujiyama]

116. God must have been high or something

or he's just a sadistic bastard to create the likes of Bush!

[Uncle Joe]

157. My exact thoughts,

Bush is a walking talking argument against intelligent design.

[etherealtruth]

3. Well , I'll give him this:

He consistently ignores science. He never fails to disappoint in this area.

[Rose Siding]

20. Which leads logically to his defense of Palmieri

Those positive tests were a direct result of....science. Shifty shifty science.

[alarcojon]

61. and fuzzy math

which Bush most ironically accused Al Gore of in 2000.

[BootinUp]

4. I might have to stop reading the news

its starting to make me permanently ill.

[phantom power]

5. And of course, we've learned nothing in the 150 years since Darwin.

[katsy]

27. Not entirely true...

Much of the world has progressed.

But not the bush gang.

[phantom power]

80. Oh, I was being sarcastic. Creationists tend to argue

with points from Origin of Species, and ignore any progress made since then, which is a bit like picking on the deficiencies of Newtonian mechanics while ignoring the subsequent 300 years of physics.

[devinsgram]

148. Right on, they have not yet evolved

from the animalistic stage.

[anotherdrew]

6. oh whats the use....

this fricken country is doomed. I'm outa here ASAP, everyone else with a brain should get the hell out of here too.

[tavalon]

106. To where, my friend?

This is a global fight and when we go down, we will take most of the world with us.

I'm staying to fight. Perhaps we will fail, heck, it's looking more and more likely. But I'll be damned if I chose to give up.

[VegasWolf]

7. Of course, the operation of a coke machine is an incredibly complex

mechanism to Bush. Complexity depends solely on the observer.
The stupider one is, the more complex the world seems, and
Bush is probably the stupidest world leader in 300 years.

New Information Shows Bush Indecisive, Paranoid, Delusional

[nyhuskyfan]

9. Out of curiosity, how do fundies explain dinosaurs?

Seriously. If the earth is only 6,000 years old, and the whole snake and the apple and the tree thing really happened, and there's no mention of dinosaurs anywhere in the bible, where did all those bones come from? Are they a liberal hoax? Did they roam the earth and become extinct in a span of a few weeks? Not invited on the ark? Did the authors of the Bible just forget about them?

And if we started with two humans, and only two of every animal came off the ark, wouldn't the second generation of every species have to be created through incest?

[phantom power]

13. They died in the flood.

"young-earthers" basically disregard isotope-dating.

[tavalon]

108. Well, isn't that convenient! n/t

I was, unfortunately, raised Southern Baptist (I got better) so I know this drill intimately.

I wasn't able to make it past 19 years old before the glaring inconsistencies didn't work for me. Well, they didn't work from the time I was 13 but it took me until I was 19 to finally decide that I needed to pick up my toys and get the hell out of there.

[phantom power]

16. Or, they were put there by God, to test our faith.

Or, they were put there by Satan, to lead us astray.

No, really.

[gizmo1979]

17. Really big dogs!

[ovidsen]

38. It's impossible to impress fundies with facts

So don't even try.

[YOY]

64. "The fossils were either put there by God"

or "they were turned to stone by God"...both equally rediculous.

Of course not being real bones but fossilized...that's just two I've heard.

then again as I've said elsewhere it's not a Theory (a proven hypothesis) but an opinion (a belief actually). We should not teach beliefs in place of science.

[iamjoy]

76. The Bible Is Fully Of Incest

With humans, not just animals.
That's another discussion, nyhuskyfan, but you mentioned incest after the flood. There's lots more incest in the bible.

[nolabels]

91. That makes pretty good republican sense

Question: What do you get when you cross a human with some sheep?

Answer: Dinosaurs, of course :crazy:

[tavalon]

107. Sshhhhh.........

Don't infuse logic into this discussion, this is about faith, not evidence. And blah, blah, blah...........

[expatriot]

160. Haven't you ever seen the Flintstones? Geesh.

It is obvious to all who have seen the Flintstones that mankind and dinosaurs co-existed... just as the Creation is obvious to all who have read the Bible.

[I Know How To Do it]

168. God made dinosaurs to trample down the forests to make places

for humans to live. Then the dinosaurs just leaned over and died.

[brooklynite]

171. Man and dinosaurs DID live together.

Didn't you ever see "The Flintstones"? It was on TV so it must be true.

[AlCzervik]

10. Bush knows as much about Intelligence as i know about Thermo dynamics

which is to say-----nothing. I cannot believe that in the age we are in we have a, a----gag pResident even floating that. ARGGGHHHHHHH!

[IChing]

11. schools should teach both theories on the creation and complexity of life?

Hello idiot boy,

The National Academy of Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have both concluded that there's no scientific basis for intelligent design and oppose its inclusion in school science classes.

"The claim that equity demands balanced treatment of evolutionary theory and special creation in science classrooms reflects a misunderstanding of what science is and how it is conducted," the academy said in a 1999 assessment. "Creationism, intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life or of species are not science because they are not testable by the methods of science."

On Monday the president said he favors the same approach for intelligent design "so people can understand what the debate is about."

WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO EDUCATE US GOOD.

[tavalon]

109. Complexity of life?

Thank God my irony meter was already broken.

Mr. Black and White Thinker wants to tell me about complexity of life? Snarf. Good one!

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. Bush should stick to thinks he knows about.

Like brush cutting.

[punpirate]

15. This putz makes...

... Warren G. Harding look like Nobel material.

Actually, though, I think this is Rove gearing up for the next culture war to get out the religious right vote in 2006. Expect to see talk of referenda for the teaching of intelligent design in the red states coming fairly soon.

[aasleka]

19. Faith

Funny, you would think that everyone who believes that God created the earth and everything on it would have no problem with gay people,,, unless God made a mistake?

Love the creation or doubt your faith.

[me b zola]

67. Yep. Fundies consistently demonstrate that they have no faith

The other thing that they consistently demonstrate is their need to push their beliefs into other people's lives and into our secular government. It doesn't matter that they constantly contradict themselves, impose upon the liberties of others, or violate the Constitution.

I never cease to be amazed at those who use the same bible that I grew up with as an excuse to kill, torture, demean, oppress, exclude, & spread an ideology of hate.



Welcome to DU, aasleka! :hi:

[LeftyMom]

84. That's why they insist that people choose to be gay nt

[Mr Rabble]

89. I think you are spot on about this.

More red meat for the fundies.

[VegasWolf]

18. Bush is the first US president to ever wear a costume. Dressing up

all the time in cowboy boots and big hat is pretty
absurd for a grown up.

[Seabiscuit]

23. Especially, as Bill Maher pointed out, there are no more cowboys.

So if you dress up as a cowboy you're just wearing a costume. He'd be more credible dressing up as Bozo the Clown.

[VegasWolf]

24. I'm starting to love Bill Maher again! nt

[tavalon]

110. Or, his other favorite

military leader.

Usually it's dictators who love dressing up in military garb, but AWOL loves it!

[Seabiscuit]

21. Earth to Shrub: "intelligent design" is NOT science - it's religion!

Requiring public school students to study that crap violates the separation of church and state.

[tavalon]

111. Yeah,

and we know he believes in that one! Not!

[Kelvin Mace]

22. Sorry

Intellgent design doesn't allow for creating a stupid fuck like Bush.

[Disturbed]

29. If this god was so all powerful...

why was the devil allowed to become a snake and speak? God could have avoided that by zapping that snake with a small lightning bolt and avoided the mistake that Eve made into being persuaded to take a bite out of an apple that was filled with the knowledge of good and evil.Seh then talked Adam into eating some and when god found out about this he kicked them both out of Eden and sentenced them to eventual death. That god was a harsh being, eh?

Also, that devil wouldn't have been around to tempt Jesus when said devil offered Jesus the entire world to rule. Jesus was wise in that he turned that offer down. The whole world, as we know, is really a mess.

[Kelvin Mace]

59. I became an atheist

the day God didn't strike Bush down when the government made the argument that they didn't want to release torture photos, in order to protect the prisoners' right to privacy.

If God really existed, he would still be smiting NeoCons.

[Bridget Burke]

119. A few well-aimed lightning bolts....

Would bring quite a few of us back to church. Perhaps for a quick visit & a big "Thanks!"

[wli]

25. he's living proof of the contrary

[Julius Civitatus]

35. Indeed!

[David Zephyr]

26. So, the Indonesian Tsunami was "God's Intelligent Design" & Plan?

[IndianaGreen]

74. As are scabbies and head lice!

Some plan that is!

[DBoon]

99. Yes, only non-believers were killed

observant christians were spared in the tsunami, only muslims and hedonistic pagan western tourists were killed.

Seriously. I couldn't make up something this strange.

[Thor_MN]

28. I'm starting to believe that if * were convicted for his war crimes

we wouldn't be able to execute him based on his IQ.

Between this and Bolton and the day I've had, I'm thinking I don't really need that framing nail gun I've been planning on buying. I think I could just put the nails in my mouth and spit them into solid oak.

[tavalon]

112. They wouldn't be able to execute him

because he has presenile dementia which will progress fairly rapidly (years, not months. Sorry) to full blown Alzheimers. Why is it that the Republicans can only manage to put people with Alzheimers in the WH lately?

On edit: That was a rhetorical question but I just answered it in my head. Plausible deniability. And ultimate malleability

[KamaAina]

30. If Bush** endorses it, can it truly be called "intelligent" design?

How can it be "intelligent" when it's endorsed by a complete :dunce: ?

[kskiska]

31. Take a look at what Dr. Krauthammer has to say about this

Monday, Aug. 01, 2005
Let's Have No More Monkey Trials
To teach faith as science is to undermine both
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.

But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

more…
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1088714,00.html

[Dudley_DUright]

32. The first and only time I have agreed with Krauthammer

Bush is an idiot and proves it every time he opens his mouth. :eyes:

[Amonester]

94. unguided evolutionary process simply cannot exist?!?

Yeah, and their predecessors were pretty quick to condemn Copernicus and Galileo too! Now, picture this (as I imagined what the religious leaders of the Inquisition could have said):

"The Earth is flat, and it's the center of the universe!"

"The following unguided revolutionary process simply cannot exist!"

"1 - There is no one centre in the universe.
2 - The Earth's centre is not the centre of the universe.
3 - The centre of the universe is near the sun.
4 - The distance from the Earth to the sun is imperceptible compared with the distance to the stars.
5 - The rotation of the Earth accounts for the apparent daily rotation of the stars.
6 - The apparent annual cycle of movements of the sun is caused by the Earth revolving round it.
7 - The apparent retrograde motion of the planets is caused by the motion of the Earth from which one observes."

- Copernicus

Now, that "unguided evolutionary process simply cannot exist" statement compares a lot with what was more or less going on then...

When will the retards in this species ever learn from the mistakes of the past?

WHEN?!?


Thanks for posting this & for the link.


On edit: spelling.

[dean_dem]

167. So Krauthammer actually has a problem with...

other people taking unsubstantiated beliefs and parading them as fact?

I'm going to hold him to that.

[Julius Civitatus]

33. Kick and nominated!!!

[Julius Civitatus]

34. Next: Bush questions the laws of gravity

"The jury's still out on that gravity theoree. We need more damn research. But I reckon all this talk 'bout "Laws of gravity" may be the result of decades of librul judicial activism from the bench..."

:sarcasm:

[gtar100]

100. Gravity is only a theory...fact is God is pressing his thumb down

on everyone's head.

God has many thumbs.

These are the facts.

[Warren Stupidity]

118. numbers are only a theory

We should consider alternatives to the unproven number theory.

[0007]

163. Gravity is a myth, the world sucks!

[Deja Q]

36. Okay. "God created everything. God is intelligent and designed it."

End of story.

[VegasWolf]

73. Now give my easy A+ for the course. nt

[Burried News]

37. Chemistry No - Alchemy Yes

Transmutation is possible - everything Bush touches turns to shit.

[ismnotwasm]

39. Ok, that's it. I'm pushing my own belief systems

Complete with a intelligent creation design theory that I want taught in all schools. Hmm, lets see. I'll have to borrow-- The world rests on the back of a turtle, no wait, the when Marduk killed Tiamuk no, can't use that, well maybe I can. Wait, in the beginning there was a void called Ginnumgagap, that one's Norse, which is my ancestry, so maybe that one would be good..Geez there are so many to choose from. Equal time I say.

[Amonester]

97. Cool! You'll be rich! Um... Me wanna be... friendz, o'tay? ;-) (nt)

(lol) :)

[tavalon]

113. Quite the slippery slope, eh?

Of course, you think, so this occurred to you. Not so with monkeybrains.

[struggle4progress]

40. I guess we'll have to keep searching for intelligent life forms. eom

[truthpusher]

41. Bush endorses teaching `intelligent design' theory in schools

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/12278405.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Posted on Mon, Aug. 01, 2005
-------------------------
Bush endorses teaching `intelligent design' theory in schools
--------------------------
BY RON HUTCHESON
Knight Ridder Newspapers
--------------------------
WASHINGTON - (KRT) - President Bush waded into the debate over evolution and "intelligent design" Monday, saying schools should teach both theories on the creation and complexity of life.

In a wide-ranging question-and-answer session with a small group of reporters, Bush essentially endorsed efforts by Christian conservatives to give intelligent design equal standing with the theory of evolution in the nation's schools.

(snip)

Bush declined to state his personal views on "intelligent design," the belief that life forms are so complex that their creation can't be explained by Darwinian evolutionary theory alone, but rather points to intentional creation, presumably divine.

(snip)

Bush compared the current debate to earlier disputes over "creationism," a related view that adheres more closely to biblical explanations. As governor of Texas, Bush said students should be exposed to both creationism and evolution.

On Monday the president said he favors the same approach for intelligent design "so people can understand what the debate is about."

(snip)

complete story: http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/12278405.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

[liberaliraqvet26]

42. Am I dreaming??

please pinch me and wake me up.

[tk2kewl]

43. We wouldn't want any child left behind when the rapture comes...

:silly:

:popcorn:

[dflprincess]

44. LOL

I wish I'd thought of that

[SpiralHawk]

45. BushCo is kicking it up right now

I expect them to THRUST their power out forcefully over the next month or so, both domestically and abroad.

They have all the power levers, and they see the proles (formerly known as the Citizens of the United States of America) beginning to catch on. Time to throw the levers -- hard -- and ratchet up the CONTROL.

But this, too, shall pass.

[LibDemAlways]

46. The chimp knows absolutely nothing about science.

He's just trying to appease a bunch of nutcases who'd have us all studying the Book of Genesis in science class. I don't give a damn what's taught in privately funded religious schools, but not one dime of taxpayer money should go toward advocating a religious point of view in public school.

[Erika]

47. W is loony tunes

If the universe was planned by intelligent design, we wouldn't have disease, accidents of nature, and poverty. Unless the intelligent designer was one evil sicko.

[Hardrada]

48. Do you know what?

He can kiss my butt!!

[acmejack]

49. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that we would regress to this point!

50 years later and we are teaching superstition and myth in competition with science.

[Julius Civitatus]

50. self delete

[Gman]

51. This guy is Harvard educated and he's still dumber than I ever dreamed

Now, let's see Senator Dr. Frist say both should be taught just to pander to the fundies. He'll look like either the biggest fool or the biggest whore politician that ever came down the pike.

[Pachamama]

170. My 5 yr old is smarter & understands concepts far greater than *

My kid understands enough about science and the origins of the Universe from Science and the planets that if any Fundie infiltration of our school system even suggest Noah's Ark and the rest of theories from these Flat Earth Fundies, that she would put them in their place. If she is ever sent home from school someday for telling the teachers they are crazy to suggest "Intelligent Design", I'll cry with pride!

Please wake me up from this nightmare we call Bush's Amerika!

[Deja Q]

52. Okay. "God created everything. God is intelligent and designed it."

End of story.

[newswolf56]

53. Do not for even a second underestimate the malevolence of the...

Dominionist Christian scheme to impose theocracy on the United States, nor the extent to which Bush is der fuhrer of the Christofascist movement. Indeed the most grave error we make here on the Left is in our assumption that Bush is stupid. He's not: he's the most diabolically tyranny-minded president in U.S. history, a thousand times more dangerous (and more powerful) than Nixon ever was.

[rodeodance]

55. sad day for the US (and we have had our share the last few years).

[krkaufman]

54. The description pretty much sums it up...

... the belief that life forms are so complex ...

Intelligent Design == BELIEF == Religious

Evolution == Evidentiary == Science

[Warren Stupidity]

56. Fuck!

What are they thinking? Are they this insane?

[Warren Stupidity]

57. Is the IDer responsible for knees?

'cause they are not well designed. And that is not the only example of not very good design, certainly less than perfect design. So ID actually could be considered proof that if there is a god, god is a bit of a bungler. Perhaps it is space aliens who produced all of this crappy design.

Has anyone seen my third pair of glasses? It seems I need three pairs. Great design that. Ooops: human eye not designed to last 50+ years.

[kwolf68]

176. Haha...

Dont forget the countless vestigial organs in various animals that serve absolutely no purpose.

[lakercub]

179. or the appendix

which seemingly exists solely for the purpose of giving us appendicitis.

[IndianaGreen]

58. The dumbing down of America continues

Only a moron that doesn't read books, that thinks Jesus was a philosopher, and that has a complete lack of curiosity about the world around him can come up with such a stupid idea. Is Bush going to ask Congress that they mandate the teaching of Creationism, which is what "intelligent design" really is?

Explain to me, Mr. Bush, what the heck was the Creator thinking when He made the flea?

[Mythsaje]

65. Jesus WAS a philosopher.

Thomas Jefferson referred to him as the world's greatest moral philosopher...


but also stated the attributing to him supernatural powers or origin was irrational.

Or something to that effect.

[jus_the_facts]

122. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus.....

....by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

[teknomanzer]

174. The question was - who was his favorite POLITICAL philosopher...

I completely agree that Jesus could be considered a philosopher of sorts but he wasn't really a political philosopher. Jesus was a teacher of spiritual liberation and salvation. Politics was something to worldly to be discussed. About the only things Jesus had to say about politics was "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..." which pretty much sums up his whole philosophy ie. concentrate on your salvation and don't get tied up in the material world.

So when Bush was asked who his favorite political philosopher was (and that is exactly how it was asked) I'm sure more than a few eyes rolled at the answer (mine included,) because it was obvious pandering to the so called religious. I think by now we all know that Bush's favorite political philosopher is Machiavelli (pretending to be pious plays to the masses) - even if Bush doesn't know who he is he certainly has used every play in his book.

As for Bush supporting ID - well that is certainly no surprise. This administration has been anti-science since day one. I think the reason is two-fold (though it could be more.) First, those pesky scientist and their reports have had a tendency to contradict the admins policies. And secondly, science asks too many questions and authoritarians do not like for too many questions to be asked (see number one for why this is so.) We have a potential Justinian in Herr Bush... if we don't dump this goon squad we could have another Dark Ages coming about.

[deadparrot]

60. Of course he does.

When hasn't the man taken an opportunity to endorse a theory put forth by the religious fringe, and debunked by countless veteran scientists?

[Mr_Spock]

62. Moron, brain up ass, duh?. Taken over by freaks. Psychotic?

This country is driving me insane :rofl:

[Inland]

63. On the bright side, our schools suck at teaching everything

So chances are, they won't be permanently ignorantified by the time they graduate high school.

Less time undoing damage in college.

[Endangered Specie]

66. Alas the debate continues...

Some say we evolved from monkeys:




Yet others claim there were talking snakes:






Who's to know :shrug:

[MidwestTransplant]

68. Bush's existance tends to disprove the theory IMO

[AuntiBush]

69. Was there a Mike in his Ear, or a Box on his Back 'Cause

He surely couldn't have been speaking of anything to do with "intelligence" without either of those 2 hook-ups.

That 1 line says it all, "Bush said he has no idea..."

Stop it right there. Yup. He sure the hell doesn't!

[WhiteTara]

70. soon we won't call them schools but

madrassas.

[AuntiBush]

71. P.S. What Gives w/the Chimp's Sudden Change of Mind?

Wait! I know.

His brains are staying out of the lime-light. And is it any wonder he didn't, or couldn't explain "Darwinian" whatever, when he surely wouldn't be able to even pronounce the word, much less anything else!

Sorry *. Too late. Ain't buying it.

[SoCalDem]

72. Why waste all that money getting a degree in science?

I guess science teachers can go to Canada to teach, and the US students can get "Bible Physics"...:puke:

It's insane.. Our students are already behind the other top-tier countries, and now this:puke:

[Betsy Ross]

75. * must be the exception to the rule...

intelligent?

[Mr_Spock]

77. Bush says eating shit is now healthy!

He mine as well - this is getting fucking rediculous. I hate this country sometimes.

[VegasWolf]

79. Bush keeps winning elections simply because 60% of the bell shaped

curve of IQs of US citizens is less than 103.

[tavalon]

114. But, unfortunately

most of the people running Diebold have much higher IQs.

[VegasWolf]

81. "Is our children learning?" nt

[Miss Chybil]

82. I wonder if our burkas will have to be blue, or if, since we're Americans,

we'll get to pick another color?

[kestrel91316]

90. They will be AmeriKKKan flag print.

[tavalon]

115. Yeah, red or white

or all three. Ah, the choices! And we won't be calling them Burkas, they will be called Freedom Frocks!:puke:

[Miss Chybil]

158. ROFLMAO! Freedom Frocks! Thanks for the belly laugh first thing in

the morning. That's a good one. :)

[girl gone mad]

83. This is the kind of thing...

that makes me glad about my decision to homeschool this year.

[LeftyMom]

86. agreed

Between this kind of anti-science bullshit and NCLB I'm so happy LK isn't stuck in the public school system.

[Olympus]

85. Gag

It is crap like intelligent design which makes us look so stupid and dangerous to the rest of the world. It boggles the mind to think that a country which put men on the moon can fall for such quasi-scientific bullshit. The dangerous thing is that intelligent design is religion in science clothing, meaning it simply mimics the surface characteristics of science to lend credibility to an unsupported belief. Reminds me of eugenics and other similar claptrap. Unfortunately, stuff like intelligent desgn has traction because under BushCo, stupid is cool and patriotic. I'm off to go rock in my corner for a while.

[Bridget Burke]

120. It's been many years since we put men on the moon.

Our current spacemen & spacewomen are now trying to fix their obsolescent shuttle well enough to avoid dying on reentry. Shows how much the current gang cares about science.

[oioioi]

87. "Brave New World"

"These early experimenters," the D.H.C. was saying, "were on the wrong track. They thought that hypnopædia could be made an instrument of intellectual education …"


(A small boy asleep on his right side, the right arm stuck out, the right hand hanging limp over the edge of the bed. Through a round grating in the side of a box a voice speaks softly.


"The Nile is the longest river in Africa and the second in length of all the rivers of the globe. Although falling short of the length of the Mississippi-Missouri, the Nile is at the head of all rivers as regards the length of its basin, which extends through 35 degrees of latitude …"


At breakfast the next morning, "Tommy," some one says, "do you know which is the longest river in Africa?" A shaking of the head. "But don't you remember something that begins: The Nile is the …"


"The - Nile - is - the - longest - river - in - Africa - and - the - second - in - length - of - all - the - rivers - of - the - globe …" The words come rushing out. "Although - falling - short - of …"


"Well now, which is the longest river in Africa?"


The eyes are blank. "I don't know."


"But the Nile, Tommy."


"The - Nile - is - the - longest - river - in - Africa - and - second …"


"Then which river is the longest, Tommy?"


Tommy burst into tears. "I don't know," he howls.)


That howl, the Director made it plain, discouraged the earliest investigators. The experiments were abandoned. No further attempt was made to teach children the length of the Nile in their sleep. Quite rightly. You can't learn a science unless you know what it's all about.


"Whereas, if they'd only started on moral education," said the Director, leading the way towards the door. The students followed him, desperately scribbling as they walked and all the way up in the lift. "Moral education, which ought never, in any circumstances, to be rational."

http://www.huxley.net/bnw/two.html

[bettyellen]

88. so if god didn't want us to use steroids....

there would have been some holier than thou people refusing to make them available to athletes.

[VegasWolf]

92. The last time we mixed religion with politics, we hung witches. nt

[nolabels]

147. They now have the servants do the dirty work

There has to be a few coats of lacquer applied when you morph from a few distraught English colonies to the worlds largest gathering of pirates.

Extraordinary rendition
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Extraordinary rendition, which has been called a euphemism for torture by proxy, refers to a procedure practiced by the government of the United States (and possibly aided by other western countries, though this is not known, see Other Countries section) whereby suspects are sent to countries in which torture is routinely used in interrogation. As described in various reports in the media, suspects have been arrested, blindfolded, shackled, and sedated, and transported by private jet or other means to the destination country. The reports also say that U.S. agencies have provided interrogators with lists of questions. Although Egypt has been the most common destination, suspected terrorists have been renditioned to other countries, such as Jordan and Syria
1990s

The procedure was developed by Central Intelligence Agency officials in the mid-1990s who were trying to track down and dismantle militant Islamic organizations in the Middle East, particularly Al Qaeda. At the time, the agency was reluctant to grant suspected terrorist due process under American law, as it could potentially jeopardize its intelligence sources and methods. The solution the agency came up with, with the approval of the Clinton administration, was to send suspects to Egypt, where they were turned over to the Egyptian mukhabarat, which has a reputation for brutality. This arrangement appealed to the Egyptians, as they had been trying to crack down on Islamic extremists in that country and a number of the senior members of Al Qaeda were Egyptian. It is thought to be appealing to the US because torture is banned under both US and international law. The argument for rendition made by defenders is that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects. For instance, interrogators of one terrorist suspect prayed to Mecca five times per day in the presence of the suspect until he became willing to talk. <1> Nevertheless, there have been many reports of the use of torture by these governments on suspects 'rendered' to them as detailed below.

The first individual to be subjected to rendition was Talaat Fouad Qassem, one of Egypt's most wanted terrorists, who was arrested with the help of US intelligence by Croatian police in Zagreb in September 1995. He was interrogated by US agents on a ship in the Adriatic sea and was then sent back to Egypt. He disappeared while in custody, and is suspected by human rights activists of having been executed without a trial.

In the summer of 1998, a similar operation was mounted in Tirana, Albania. Wiretaps showed that five Egyptians had been in contact with Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy. During the course of several months, Shawki Salama Attiya and four militants were captured by Albanian security forces collaborating with US agents. The men were flown to Cairo for interrogation. Attiya later alleged that he had electric shocks applied to his genitals, was hung from his limbs, and was kept in a cell with dirty water up to his knees. Shortly thereafter, a letter was published in a London Arab-language daily by a group calling itself International Islamic Front for Jihad, threatening to retaliate against the US for the operation. Two days later, the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were blown up, killing two hundred and forty. Although there is no proof of a connection, some belive that there was some relation between the two events. Based on the amount of planning and coordination that must take place for an attack of this size, it is highly unlikely that the two incidents are connected.


(snip)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

[teknomanzer]

175. The USA is all about outsourcing! n/t

[bemildred]

93. Bush is proof of my "Stupid Design" theory. nt

[DemBones DemBones]

95. He's always wanted to be another Reagan.

Old Ronnie made some similar comments when he was occupying the Oval Office.

School curricula should not be decided by politicians.

Science curricula should reflect mainstream science, not religion.

Science teachers do have to be prepared to deal with students who bring up intelligent design. There's a lot of hostility toward science in this country and many kids have picked it up. In "Animal Dreams," Barbara Kingsolver writes about a biologist who goes home to a rural area in the Southwest for family reasons and ends up teaching high school biology. She describes the students listening attentively for her to mention evolution or Darwin, the keywords their parents had taught them would mean they should stop listening.

[wiggs]

96. This is the end of the Bush administration

People will just not stand for this. Rational moderates, democratic leaders, the media, and the public in general will see this as the last straw and will demand a retraction. At least one democratic senator will demand an apology.

Napalming foreigners, lying to congress, stealing the treasury blind, pillaging the environment, torturing our enemies, and handing the country to corporations is one thing. But this is so outrageous that surely the public and the pundits will come to the realization that we are way past any notion of an America we once thought we knew.

(Sound familiar?)

Oh....and the tide is turning too.

[rexcat]

98. It is part of his "let every child be stupid" program.

Nothing like introducing non-scientific, religious crap in our public schools. Bush* is a fucking moron.

[NuttyFluffers]

101. Indeed. I too was touched by His Noodly Appendage.

:rofl:

O8)

[Arugula Latte]

102. Stupid, stupid, stupid asshole.

Stupid Asshole.

I fucking hate this guy.

Did I mention he's a stupid asshole?

[Gelliebeans]

105. yes you did,

but I will gladly second your statement. :)

[6000eliot]

103. Of course, there was nothing more important for these

"reporters" to ask him.

:eyes:

[fujiyama]

117. Isn't this great!

Our fuckin president embodies the ignorance of a nation. Granted this is no surprise.

No wonder we're falling behind in math and science - and the shit for brains fundies just got the endorsement of the dumb ass in cheif on this and stem cell issues. Whatever faults president Clinton had, the man could grasp issues of science. This president doesn't even know what science is. Then again, maybe it's an inferiority complex. He knows how fuckin stupid he is and doesn't want any kids smarter than him.

[Bossy Monkey]

121. I want Yale to rescind this clown's degree

between this and the "Grand Canyon created by Noah's flood" idiocy. He's an embarrassment to the human race, but we never gave him a diploma; at least Yale can do something about him being an embarrassment to the Ivy League.

[Junkdrawer]

123. Kings have used religion to control the peasants since the Dark Ages...

We're going back to the shadows again...

[thinkingwoman]

124. worst. president. ever

that's his precious legacy. :eyes:

[librarycard]

125. Bush: Intelligent Design Should Be Taught

President Bush said Monday he believes schools should discuss "intelligent design" alongside evolution when teaching students about the creation of life.

During a round-table interview with reporters from five Texas newspapers, Bush declined to go into detail on his personal views of the origin of life. But he said students should learn about both theories, Knight Ridder Newspapers reported.

<cut>

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in creation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_intelligent_design;_ylt=ApuC63KnZKuf._xL8A2RyGCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

Nearly four years after 9-11 with no sign of Osama or the anthrax killer(s) yet our vile "leader" in the WH wants to push creation science in the public school system. The Chimp is a stinking dogpile littering America's streets for far too long.

[truthisfreedom]

126. yeah, but he'd be the first one caught skipping class

and snorting lines over at the ol' skull and bones hangout while everyone else is at school.

[Lecky]

127. OMG Bush is an idiot.

Someone please make it stop!

[Fridays Child]

128. B*sh is a living, breathing argument against intelligent design.

Oh, the irony of it all.

[moggie]

129. He's worried

Someone told him that humans evolved from apes, and now chimpy worries that he's going to evolve overnight.

[opihimoimoi]

130. I sure would like to know who the Hell designed W....he is the finest

example of a complete Dolt if there ever was one.

Gary Coleman and Mongo got more brains than Bush.

Someone designed MUTANTS????

I wonder why and who would do this?

Bushies brain is Peterism at its PEAK

[Lochloosa]

131. IT'S NOT A ****ING THEORY...

:banghead:

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.

Where is the "repeatedly tested" part. I have never seen the waters part...have you

[Bhaisahab]

132. intelligent design? what kind of fuck thought up that cute label? n/t

[Guaranteed]

133. The right-wing corrupted the term.

"Intelligent design" has nothing to do with "life on Earth."

Or Biblical creationism.

[smirkymonkey]

142. ....Or Intelligence.

[ixion]

134. and the Quality of US education continues to plummet under Bush

can you imagine, down the road apiece, if a US-educated scientist stood up in a convention or a classroom and started talking about 'intelligent design' as though it were a real theory?

US scientific credibility, already teetering dangerously close to fantasy because of the Global Warming lies, would truly be in the crapper.

[Old and In the Way]

135. Is our children learning yet?

If there really was intelligent design, explain how we have ended up with such an incomponent moron running this country.

[markbark]

136. Spiteful Design should be taught in schools!

Here's a theory I like much better than Intelligent Design: Spiteful Design!

Think about it--there are so many things about how the world works that are just so fucked up it's unbelievable. Why should we assume that all of them have been engineered by some benevolent intelligent being? Wouldn't it make more sense to see things like earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, retroviruses for which there is no vaccine, disgusting and destructive internal parasites, the Bush Administration (redundant, I know) as evidence of a creative force which is, well, in kind of a pissy mood, and taking it out on us?

I demand that Spiteful Design be taught in classrooms along with Intelligent Design and its fellow 'alternative' scientific theories, such as Idiotic Design, Absurdist Design, Totally Fucking Incompetent Design, Holy Shit! What Was I Drinking Last Night? Design, and other similar theories. After all, intelligent design is just a theory, and no more or less scientifically proven than the Sweated Out Of The Frost Giant's Armpit Theory, the Sneezed Into The Great Cosmic Handkerchief Theory, and many others.

[bicentennial_baby]

137. Oy fucking vey....

He's sooooo...i don't have a word for it. But, the French people here that i've apologized to for our evil pres. have been very kind, and understand completely :)

[rman]

138. Apparently it's very important to him now to pander to his fundie base.

The admin must be desperate, if they feel they have to bring this up.

I mean, doesn't practically everyone know that ID/creationism in science class is a fringe RW issue? Does it not in fact offend the vast majority of people?

[Mountainman]

139. Superstition aint the way.

[arwalden]

140. "Intellegent Design" Is So Retarded

Even "intelligent design" doesn't fit in with their literal interpretation of the Bible's story of creation.

Is this another example of Christian cherry-picking which sections of the Bible to believe literally, which ones to look at as metaphors, and which ones to ignore completely?

[SammyWinstonJack]

141. LOL

"Bush declined to go into detail on his personal views of the origin of life." Too deep of a subject for the village idiot. He's a parrot, just repeating what is fed to him. How freaking sad! From a Rhodes scholar to a village idiot! :banghead:

[moggie]

145. A question I'd like to hear him asked

"Mr President, what are your views on abiogenesis?"

I wonder how he'd reply?

[0007]

156. junior would call it trick magic without a point, that is if he even

understood the term.

[blindpig]

143. what a fucking embarrassment

I am embarrassed not only as an American but as a human being. I refuse to accept that this shallow, willfully ignorant moral cripple belongs to the same species as myself.

Let's please drop the chimp meme. I've known some chimps and they are superior creatures to this loser, even when throwing shit. Chimps don't smirk.

[Sandpiper]

159. Republicans and Xtian Fundies are still debating issues

That civilized people had settled decades ago.

Nothing has made me more embarrassed to be an American than this half-witted buffoon serving two terms as President.

[Skidmore]

144. We'll need madrasehs to help us prepare martyrs for

the unending religious war that they are ginning up. Onward Christian soldiers...

[Junkdrawer]

146. I think we're on the same wavelength...This whole Fundy thing has 2 goals:

1.) A more compliant population, especially in regards to foreign adventures.

2.) A dependable "grass roots" that election thefts can puff up and point to when questioned "exactly WHO voted for you?".

[moggie]

149. What's the hurry?

Science classes aren't in the business of teaching flimsy speculation. When (haha) intelligent design creationism has a theory with a suitably solid scientific track record, THEN we can talk about getting it into the curriculum. The IDists barely have any research to show so far, and nothing which passes muster. Hell, even the IDists themselves sometimes admit how little they have:

We don’t have such a theory right now, and that’s a problem. Without a theory, it’s very hard to know where to direct your research focus. Right now, we’ve got a bag of powerful intuitions, and a handful of notions such as ‘irreducible complexity’ and ‘specified complexity’- but, as yet, no general theory of biological design.

(Paul Nelson, Discovery Institute Fellow, Touchstone Magazine, Jul/Aug 2004)

"I'm not pushing to have (ID) taught as an 'alternative' to Darwin, and neither are they," he says in response to one question about Discovery's agenda. "What's being pushed is to have Darwinism critiqued, to teach there's a controversy. Intelligent design itself does not have any content."

(George Gilder, cofounder of the Discovery Institute, in The Evolution of George Gilder, Boston Globe)

So, guys, come back when you actually HAVE a theory, and some solid evidence, ok? Until then, you have no more right to the classroom than any other anti-science whackjob.

[JawJaw]

150. "er...Mr President....

...can you even SPELL intelligent design"

[iam]

151. For GOD so loved the world...

That GOD sent a great flood that killed literally hundreds of billions of living things because a few people were fornicating with the organs and lusts built into them by... GOD.
I believe the bible is a trick. GOD is watching, and every human who abandons the rational mind in favor of the nonsense in the bible is doomed to burn in hell forever.

[tomg]

152. My wife is a teacher.

Some cousins are teachers. My mother, my aunts, brother-in-law and sister-in-law, - well, you get the picture. What with cutbacks, No Child (will be left a) Behind," your average freeper on a school board ( my wife's school board has a recently outted freeper), teachers having to buy supplies ( particularly in poorer districts) constant corporate testing of kids according to some insane "standards," teachers ( and kids and parents) have enough shit to deal with already. ( I am a teacher, too, but College where I have that doofus Horowitz to worry about and his Academic Bill of Rights)
Does anyone realize what an absurd proposal like "intelligent design" does to the textbook industry? Some states such as Texas and California buy their textbooks, particularly science textbooks, statewide. These are massive customers. Often, rather than get into the "controversy" where they have to add both "Intelligent Design" to not piss off, say, Texas or Ohio, or delete "intelligent design" ( that would be nice - a delete button for this entire administration) and keep California and New York, for example, it is much more convenient for Random House, say, simply to eliminate or really water down both to the point where it all just disappears with the net result being the evolution is often glossed over or eliminated.
But that means that, in order to keep the customers satisfied, textbooks come out in new editions and that costs the taxpayers more for students to learn less. So far one of the net results of the "intelligent design" fiasco is that many science teachers - rather than get into hassles with the local looney tunes - are undercutting evolution, particularly in places like Ohio.
Well, long post short, George should shut up. Teaching is a lot more than reading "My Pet Goat" to a class of kids.

[HockeyMom]

153. AOL Poll on this

Do you support or oppose the teaching of "intelligent design" in the public schools?

Oppose 52%
Support 35%
Depends on other teachings 11%

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050801231009990004

[shrike]

154. Only in philosophy or religion class

Has no place in science class.

[dave123williams]

155. life forms are so complex that their creation can't be explained by Darwin

You know, he's right; that's why we have disciplines like genetic cellular biology. Not that Bush knows or cares a whit about actual science.

[truth4achange]

161. in good hands...

and this is the administration people are going to trust to make reasoned judgments about the validity of global warming?

http://www.hairytruth.blogspot.com

[WhiteTara]

162. too bad there was no intelligent design

when chimpy came into the world.

[Megahurtz]

164. O - M - G !!!

How much more damage can this guy do before he leaves?

I shudder to think.:scared:

[onenote]

165. next up: teaching Holocaust Denial Theory

So Chimpy thinks that education should expose people to different schools of thought (even when one of those "schools" has no scientific or factual support)? Well then, someone should ask him about Holocaust deniers, or the "theory" that African-Americans are genetically inferior to whites. Does he support "exposing" people to those ideas too?

What an abolute idiot.

onenote



"I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. " You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes."

[VegasWolf]

172. Bush says Holocaust "only a theory!" nt

[Lars39]

177. Remember when he was at Auschwitz and asked the guide

if anyone ever questions whether the Holocaust actually happened?

[Soup Bean]

180. Did he really ask that?

I really don't want to believe that the American President asked that question.

"Intelligent Design" could be taught in some philosophy class, if everything else were taught as well. If evolution is ignored in this country, you can stop looking for any new medical discoveries to be made by Americans. We will fall so far behind the rest of the world that we may NEED CAFTA, because WE'LL be the cheap labor for the rest of the world.

Blech.

[UncleSepp]

166. Oh God. Make it stop. Make it STOP!!!

These people are BATSHIT. They're all walking around inside this massive shared delusion and trying to tell us it is reality. I don't believe that religion is necessarily delusion, but they're using religious words to describe something that's absolutely whacked. It's better to go with what's in one's head rather than what one observes in the outside world? Reality is a trick?

god... this guy is one step from thinking his television talks to him.

[katty]

169. bush preachin' Intelligent Design?@! too late for him

[jsw_81]

173. No surprises here

Bush is merely pandering to his fundie GOP base. If we don't fight back against these ignorant bible-thumping hicks we're going to find ourselves back in the Dark Ages before too long.

[mandomom]

178. He understands these issues

about as well as I understand Stephen Hawking's last 3 tomes. Superficially and for social conversation purposes only. The man is incapable of holding his own counsel or of NOT abusing his powerful position as president. It's a disgrace. When Clinton gave his opinions on topics they were couched as theoretical comments and they came with plenty of academic preparation beforehand.