Frist Not Invited to 'Justice Sunday II'

[Rose Siding]

WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist spoke by video to the first "Justice Sunday" evangelical rally in April, but he wasn't invited to address "Justice Sunday II," even though it's in his home state of Tennessee.

Since the first rally, the potential 2008 presidential candidate has angered the events' organizers by stating his support for expanded human embryonic stem cell research. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, was invited to speak at the Aug. 14 rally.

Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said Tuesday on the group's Web site that Frist's recently announced stem cell stance "reflects an unwise and unnecessary choice both for public policy and for respecting the dignity of human life." Perkins also has been annoyed with Frist for allowing a compromise on President Bush's judicial nominations.

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[LSparkle]

1. Talk about a "litmus test"!

And the RW accuses Dems of having one ... HA!

[Canuckistanian]

2. Either you drink ALL the Koolaid...

Or you're with the terraists.

[deadparrot]

3. Uh oh, P'sghettios....

:D

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. In this instance I support cannabalism.

[MissMarple]

15. so you support eating...cannabis, cannibals...?

:)

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. Smart alek!

:)

[napi21]

5. So they want almost indited DeLay instead?

I don't understand this group? I can understand them having some strong stances on some positions that are important to them, and that's fine. It's a religious group!

What I don't understand is their support for a man who has been reprimanded twice (I think) in the House for wrong doing, and is close to being indited in Tx and maybe in the House AGAIN!

Is it OK to deal with criminals, as long as they don't support setm cell research and abortion?

[marbuc]

13. The fundies and Tom Delay have a common enemy

a lib'ral media that tears down good people and promotes a godless homosexual agenda.

[krkaufman]

19. Siding w/ Tom Delay is both scary and clueless.

Has there been a more wicked, evil Representative in recent memory?

[durablend]

6. Wooks wike Fwist's been castwated

TSK TSK TSK...

[warrens]

7. They're going to eat their young now

They're drunk with power, and if one person starts thinking for himself (and I congratulate Frist on using his brain over his ideology), they immediately try to smear and degrade him or her.

These religious bigots are the greatest danger there is to a democracy because their votes can be bought with a simple pack of lies. Big business and the neo-cons are very dangerous too, but they live in the real world at least part of the time. The fundies are in cloudcuckooland fulltime.

[marbuc]

17. I often wonder which is worse, fundies or neocons

My current feeling is the neocons are worse. They are driven by greed and winning what they perceive to be a game of world domination, and will do ANYTHING to accomplish their goals, at the expense of innocent human lives. At least fundies believe their mission is right, however misguided this may be.

[belle]

41. Dunno about that. As a gay woman, I sort of prefer plain ol' corrupt to

zealous fervour for exterminating me and mine. After all, it's not like the theocons aren't/won't be corrupt greedy bastards *also.* The main difference is, *they* think they are appointed by God to run the whole fucking world. The neocons know that they don't actually need a reason, except to make flimsy justifications to suckers/people who seem to need such things.

In a world of pure abstractions, I suppose one might admire the True Believer more than the plain ol' sociopath...but, we don't live in that world. and anyway, it's very clear to me that the True Believers are simply deeply disturbed people using ideology to justify their mental disorders.

[marbuc]

44. At least the theocons are reliably predictable

and you have a fixed target to combat. This is often not the case with the neocons.

[ninkasi]

54. Both groups make me sick.

I think, though, is that the main difference is that the neocons don't hate you personally; the fundies, given half a chance , would bring back burning at the stake if they could.

The corrupt and greedy are bad, but not completely insane. The fundies are crazy.

[mikeytherat]

45. Frist didn't use his brain...

he used his finger. Stuck it in the air, felt which way the wind was blowing, and went that way.

He still claims life begins at conception, but feels we can now destroy that life - even though it's wrong - for research. Research he claimed, until recently, was very, very wrong. Spin, spin, spin in circles.

He's a hypocritical shitbag who is worse than Delay -- at least Delay's consistent, and you know what you'll be getting (corrupt, sleazy, bat shit crazy is what you'll be getting, but at least you know it's coming).


mikey_the_rat

[pelagius]

8. Premonitions of a split between the libertarian/corporate right and...

...the Christian Right? One can only hope so.

[Barak And Roll]

9. It'll happen...

Wait until McCain throws his hat into the ring, that'll send some of the nut jobs screaming for Pat Buchanan and the rift grows wider.

[KamaAina]

10. Bug killer si, cat killer no

Apparently even the would-be theocrats have some standards...

[HockeyMom]

11. Cemeteries for Sanitary Pads and Tampons

Got to bury all those "babies"/zygotes/blastocysts/embryos.

Sorry, these people make me so ANGRY.

[stanwyck]

12. Do you really think that if Frist

ends up being the Republican candidate that these same folks won't rally around him like he's the second coming of Christ?
They've got nowhere else to go.
I wish the conservatives would split. I wish the oldtime fiscal conservative Republicans would field a true Goldwater conservative. And I wish the evangelicals would start their own party and field their own Santorum-like candidate. Maybe even Santorum.
And, going on with my crazy fantasy, I wish the Democrats would field a true liberal, a real fire-breathing no squishy middle type liberal. A Roosevelt/Kennedy liberal who would shake this country up and get us back to being the greatest democracy on earth.

[Disturbed]

18. Fundie Fascists and the Taliban..

are similar. Some day here in Amerika there may be another Civil War. Millions of Fundie Fascists believe in owning guns and support the killing of Doctors that perform abortions. Many feel that the Zealots are not dangerous. They used to be cause for jokes but they are no longer so amusing.When I think about their allies, the Aryian Nations and such groups as The Patriots and others it gives me a bit of a chill.

[Dulcinea]

47. The fundies could just sit out the next election.

They've done it before. If the Repub candidate isn't ideologically pure enough, they may just stay home.

[Endangered Specie]

14. You know its bad when Frist is considered out of the Republican Mainstream

in the LEFT direction! :crazy:

[journalist3072]

16. Unfortunately, this could inadvertently help Frist...

If he's no longer seen as been connected to these wacko nuts.

[The Donkey]

20. I think the lesson here is . . .

Either you are 100% toadie, or you're evil.

Poor Frist - getting chastised for only being 90% toadie. Now he's a hack without a home . . .

[rlev1223]

22. Frist not invited to evangelical meeting

Frist dissed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_go_co/frist_evangelical_rally

[LSparkle]

23. for one reason: stem cell research

How that's for a litmus test?

[54anickel]

24. You might want to change the subject line to match the title or get locked

:hi: Edit to add a snippet and the title

Frist Not Invited to 'Justice Sunday II'

WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist spoke by video to the first "Justice Sunday" evangelical rally in April, but he wasn't invited to address "Justice Sunday II," even though it's in his home state of Tennessee.

Since the first rally, the potential 2008 presidential candidate has angered the events' organizers by stating his support for expanded human embryonic stem cell research. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, was invited to speak at the Aug. 14 rally.

Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said Tuesday on the group's Web site that Frist's recently announced stem cell stance "reflects an unwise and unnecessary choice both for public policy and for respecting the dignity of human life." Perkins also has been annoyed with Frist for allowing a compromise on President Bush's judicial nominations.

[progressivebydesign]

25. You might want to repost this with the actual headline..

.. and with a paragraph or two, in order for it to qualify for LBN. I didn't see this story already up here.. or you could repost in General Discussion.

Great story.. though. Thanks for linking it! :hi:

[rlev1223]

26. re-titled post: Frist Not Invited to 'Justice Sunday II'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_go_co/frist_evangelical_rally

[54anickel]

27. You should be able to edit your original post to fix the title

Great story, hate to see it get locked.

Thanks :hi:

[rlev1223]

28. done -- lock it not

[schrodingers_cat]

29. Gee, after all he's done for them.....

is this how they treat their own!?!?

[Olney Blue]

40. Ask Cruella DeVille Harris.....

she's been shut out cold.


:scared:

[OKNancy]

30. Please edit you opening post

Frist Not Invited to 'Justice Sunday II'

should be the title.

The edit button is on the bottom right of the post.

[Meldread]

31. Ouch, snubbed.

Ha. Sucker. I guess he's finding out who his friends are now.

[VegasWolf]

32. Yes, these religious nut-cases would rather feature a perjuring sack of

shit like Delay.

[Warren Stupidity]

33. Coordinated repositioning of nazi fuck frist

Please do not accept anything they do at face value. Frist did not have a sudden change of heart. Frist is running for president and this is a safe and coordinated distancing maneuver.

[kestrel91316]

36. So right! This is all part of his PLAN.

[UrbScotty]

34. He ain't getting the Repub nod in '08. (nt)

[goforit]

35. LOL!!!!......excused from the religious cult?..Time to party Frist!

Put those dancing shoes on!!!

America is proud of your courage!!!

[dajoki]

37. WP 8/2/05 9:17pm: frist not invited to evangelical "justice sundayII"...

because of stem cell flip-flop. LOL http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201373.html

[VegasWolf]

38. Frist seems to have wrestled his soul back from the Devil! nt

[ShockediSay]

39. Frist invited to rejoin humanity - eom

[Jack Rabbit]

42. These people are real ideological purists

If Frist scores a 99 out a hundred with them, he's still a loser in their eyes.

It's hard to feel sorry for Frist, but right now I do.

[RageFist]

46. Not that i like repukes

but some liberals rival fascism on the right with fascism of their own (anti-christian views for example) and truly believe that no Christian is capable of reasonable use of power. It really must suck to be in Frist's position, because he pissed of the right, and many on the left still wont accept him because of the whole nucular option fiasco.

[Jack Rabbit]

49. I certainly won't disagree with that

Not that i like repukes but some liberals rival fascism on the right with fascism of their own (anti-christian views for example) and truly believe that no Christian is capable of reasonable use of power.

A lot of that sort of thing on display here daily.

It really must suck to be in Frist's position, because he pissed of the right, and many on the left still wont accept him because of the whole nucular option fiasco.

Certainly, Frist's conversion on stem cell research by itself is no reason for any of us to run out and start a chapter of Democrats for Frist in '08. However, it really must suck to be Frist right now. If there's a lesson to be learned it is that hard line ideologues make unreliable political allies. To stake the future of a broad based political movement on such people as the Christian right is to make a bargain with the Devil.

[NAO]

43. They would torture and kill Frist as a heretic if they had the legal power

from Robert G. Ingersoll's lecture "Heretics and Hericies":

Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? It is impossible for the imagination to conceive of a greater atrocity than has been perpetrated by the church. Every nerve in the human body capable of pain has been sought out and touched.

Let it be remembered that all churches have persecuted heretics to the fullest extent of their power. Toleration has increased only when and where the power of the church has diminished. From Augustine until now the spirit of the Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out of the human brain all knowledge inconsistent with an ignorant creed.

According to the theologians, God, the Father of us all, wrote a letter to his children. The children have always differed somewhat as to the meaning of this letter. In consequence of these honest differences, these brothers began to cut out each other's hearts. In every land, where this letter from God has been read, the children to whom and for whom it was written have been filled with hatred and malice. They have imprisoned and murdered each other, and the wives and children of each other. In the name of God every possible crime has been committed, every conceivable outrage has been perpetrated. Brave men, tender and loving women, beautiful girls, and prattling babes have been exterminated in the name of Jesus Christ. For more than fifty generations the church has carried the black flag. Her vengeance has been measured only by her power. During all these years of infamy no heretic has ever been forgiven. With the heart of a fiend she has hated; with the clutch of avarice she has grasped; with the jaws of a dragon she has devoured; pitiless as famine, merciless as fire, with the conscience of a serpent: such is the history of the Church of God.

Heretics And Hericies (1874)
Robert Green Ingersoll
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html

[derby378]

48. There's gonna be a "Justice Sunday II?!?"

Oh, Lordy - ginbarn and I may have to infiltrate another church.

[DrFunkenstein]

50. That's Because Frist Is A Centrist

And you are all hippie radical tree-humpers!

I can't imagine that the fundies would seriously risk their political weight by burning any real bridges. But you also don't push the agenda to the right by being happy with the status quo.

I imagine that this is an attempt to get some air between the fundies and Frist in the public eye because they see the dangers of making him too easy to pigeonhole as one and the same with a political movement. They're nuts, but they're not stupid.

[stanwyck]

51. where does this leave the Pastors Project?

all the pastors who are to register at least 300 people and make sure they vote for anti-abortion, anti-gay, and all the other evangelical-approved issues candidates? These people want to pick the Republican candidates. They aim for evangelical candidates for state offices and Congress. They hope to elect the next governor of Ohio (their hand-picked candidate) and here in Georgia, former Christian Coalition chairman Ralph Reed is hoping for the Lt. Governor's spot.
Will the fiscal conservatives be able to claim their party's nomination against the evangelicals? Or will the Pastors Project and all their sympathizers be picking the Republican candidates?
So. What happens to someone like Frist? Does he get abandoned by the evangelicals...for not passing their litmus tests? Do they field one of their own against him?
Interesting to find out. The old-line small government, fiscally conservative Republicans (are there any left?) against the born-again evangelicals. For the "soul" of the Republican Party.
We think Rick Santorum is crazy. But he may be the new golden boy of the Republican Party. A future presidential candidate.
And John McCain will finally realize he's two decades too late to his own party.

[Massachusetts]

52. Frist Not Invited

He can go flog the Dolphin!

[raysr]

53. Why not invite him

what he's doing is just a fucking show anyway. Our guys sat on their hands until the pukes now OWN stem cell research. We should have OWNED that issue.

[napi21]

55. I heard on Tweety's show that Frist was DIS-INVITED!

If that's true, that's a much bigger deal than just not being invited!