BREAKING: CNN\MSNBC 14 Marines And Civilian Interpreter Killed In Iraq

[WillyT]

No links yet. Same place as the 6 Marines yesterday.

20 in two days. Speculation of infiltration of Iraqi Security forces.

:cry:

[jasmeel]

1. Fuck!

[malaise]

2. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

meanwhile the President and VP are on vcation for a month. What a sordid mess.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

6. That may be why they'll try to get as many as possible now...

Just to accentuate the vacationing promoters of this war vs. the boots on the ground giving up their lives for the cause of the wealthy.

[saigon68]

15. "BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

as he prepared to go on his vacation with his mommy and his nannie.

[pa28]

135. He came rushing back from Crawford for Terry Schiavo.

So I suppose he'll break off his vacation to comfort the families of these 14 marines.

Note: this post contains sarcasm.

[Tesla]

3. Hope ol George is having a great vacation

I'm sure this is just a number to him.

[Drifter]

5. They probably won't tell him ...

Cheers
Drifter

[lse7581011]

36. Wouldn't Want To Interrupt

his bikeride!

[ooglymoogly]

127. why not

he does not give a flying f*k.

[bluestateguy]

8. As Bill Maher would put it

A fuck up by a guy on vacation.

[Name removed]

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[dArKeR]

83. Hackett and Dean are the only politicians worthy to live in America

(Ritter, Wilson, Boxer, Conyers... few others.)

1. I was sending 10 emails per day to Kerry for 1/2 year during the campaign.
a. "Say you will never take one day of vacation until the Iraq situation is solved."
b. "Say you would not smile one day while our soldiers are being killed and wounded."
c. "Say the truth about Bush being AWOL, drunk, D- student who's father bribed the school with $20,000,000 to get a passing C."
d. "Say Bush was doing and dealing drugs out of the White House during his father's term."
e. "Mention the possibility of psychotic brain damage in Bush from 30 years of drug and alcohol abuse."
f. "Voluntarily submit to exhastive psychological testing."
g. "Call the American Media disgracefully bias and corrupt for NOT running stories on Bush's "coward" escape from Vietnam."
h. "Demand the Harken files are open."
i. "Predict that if Bush starts a war in Iraq he, his advisors, Cabinet, GOP war mongers will embezzle millions."

[pseudostar]

102. Rock on!

a. "Say you will never take one day of vacation until the Iraq situation is solved."

Brilliant! When my monthly reports are due, I cant fucking take vacation.

f. "Voluntarily submit to exhastive psychological testing."

No Fucking Way. If they could 'credibly' impugn Kerry's war record, they could spin the hell out of a comprehensive physchiatric exam.

g. "Call the American Media disgracefully bias and corrupt for NOT running stories on Bush's "coward" escape from Vietnam."

Quoted for Truth.

Gee it woulda been great if our candidates didnt act like total pussies ALL the time.

[pseudostar]

103. Dupe post

im a dumbass

[ninkasi]

106. You should have been

on his election team. Something about the pile of shit being on yet another vacation while all of our troops are being slaughtered is sickening. He should cut short his vacation, and get his ass back to the White House. He should stop clowning around trying to be cute...since he isn't...and work non-stop on getting our men and women out of there now.

Haven't he and his cronies already made enough blood soaked money to last them and their children for the next for the next few hundred years? This is all his fault. Every death. Every grieving family. Every shattered life, and broken dream on both sides, every bit of it is his fault.

[dArKeR]

86. Eight Dead SMILES!

Yesterdays Eight Dead SMILES and Thumbs up!
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050802/480/dcgh10108022021;_ylt=AtFXZmla_4R5bZ.oi3DvMfMGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-


Going on vacation after Eight Dead

&g=events/ts/080205cafta


Laughing and joking and clapping for the Eight Dead.


I swear the Media and Dems have lost their minds! Does it take sleaze bags on Internet Forums to point out these things? What type of morality do our Media and Politicians have? Is this what "Christian Morality" is about? I'll pass!

[MidwestTransplant]

101. The pic of him sitting looks like a bunch of people congratulating a child

who just went to the bathroom in the toilet for the first time.

[dArKeR]

109. I swear to God I had the same thought but sometimes I feel like I'm doing

too much complaining/hounding on him and I didn't post it! I swear! He looks like a child who for the first time wrote his name and the adults around are giving him praise and the 3 year-old child feels so proud. I swear that was my first thought!

[dArKeR]

149. Nineteen Dead Smile! I knew my little schizophrenic would crack!

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050804/480/txsa10108041854&g=events/pl/081201presidentbush;_ylt=AnhnjvfHIl.EsX1D0dLfenoGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-

[ClayZ]

142. I am not sure he can count!

[bluestateguy]

4. This is another despicable example of the failure of this war and the

immorality of the Bush Administration's policy.

If this sounds like an "I told you so" post, it's because it is.

[NoSunWithoutShadow]

7. CNN has it now. This is awful!

http://www.cnn.com/

[bluestateguy]

9. 2 of the 3 cable channels are doing stories on the spacewalk

I don't give a damn about the spacewalk. I really don't. This nation is at war.

[krkaufman]

55. But you can see why the Bush Admin wants the shuttles back in the air.

Anything to divert attention.

[Toots]

94. This nation is at war.

Only with itself. How can one possible call such a police action a war? Hell Vietnam was only a Conflict and we were engaged with the third largest standing army in the world at the time. Uniformed convential soldiers with modern weaponry and still only a conflict and you want to call what we are doing in Iraq a War. Come on....... get real...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

11. And of course this one doesn't even count in any tally.....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/03/iraq.writer.killed/index.html

[SleeplessinSoCal]

12. After reading his story I think he went to the wrong war....

He should have been in Afghanistan.

[0007]

43. May have been done in by our spooks.........

junior doesn't like anyone writing the truth about his fuck up.

[truth2power]

72. OMG! Steven Vincent. Didn't someone post a link

here just days ago with one of his articles. I remember him describing traveling with his interpreter, and how they'd had many close calls. I think it was him.

Yeah, you're right. Bushco's black ops boys don't want the truth out.

[Ice4Clark]

138. I wonder what he knew.....found this bit today

Steve Mumford, an American artist who shared an apartment with Vincent in Baghdad in 2003, said Vincent had told him in an e-mail some weeks ago he had a lot of information he knew could get him killed if it was published.

[truth2power]

143. Well, there you have it...

Too many journalists getting killed. If he really did know something, more than likely the black ops boys got to him.

What I never could understand is why people who have some incriminating info don't see to it that it's distributed to trusted others for safekeeping.

[0007]

51. Sure it does

According to the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists, as of 28 June, 45 journalists and 20 media support workers have been killed while covering the war in Iraq since March 2003.

[hadrons]

59. sounds like bit of a Freeper .... here's his book

SYNOPSIS
Investigative journalist Vincent reports on his travels through Iraq during the American led occupation. He uses encounters with Iraqis he met during his four months there as a way to measure US success in fighting "Islamofascism," which he believes justifies the US invasion and ongoing occupation. Claiming to have penetrated the Iraqi mind, he argues that there may have been mistakes in the occupation, but the implanting of "democracy" in Iraq is necessary to protect the US from the "despair and self-loathing at the center of the Muslim world." Annotation ©2004 Book News, Inc., Portland, OR



http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=qF51snWBo2&isbn=1890626570&itm=3

Iraqi invasion cheerleader, no lost to me

[PunkPop]

73. You can find his articles

at National Review Online and FrontPageMag.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/vincent200412130852.asp

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16214

Cheerleader is right. I'll give him one thing though - he took a chance and actually went to Iraq. More than any of these other chickenshit pro-war types would do.

[bushisanidiot]

105. Yep. On his blog he said something about going to war for oil may not be

such a bad thing. he also said he didn't want the iraqi's to see all americans there as "occupiers", which he put in quotes.. he was definitely working WITH the AWOL Bush propagandists.

[leftchick]

31. 21 DEAD in 3 Days!!!!

my Marine nephew thinks he is headed for Engineering school. I highly doubt it...

:cry:

21 Marines killed in 3 days of fighting; U.S. journalist slain

Wednesday, August 3, 2005; Posted: 8:20 a.m. EDT (12:20 GMT)


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A roadside bomb blast killed 14 Marines and a civilian interpreter Wednesday as they rode in a vehicle near Haditha, Iraq, U.S. military officials said.

The military said the bomb struck the amphibious assault vehicle about 1 mile (about 2 kilometers) south of Haditha, along the Euphrates River about 135 miles northwest of Baghdad. The military said one Marine was wounded.

On Monday, six Marine sniper team members were killed in a firefight near the same city and a Marine was killed in nearby Hit. Twenty-one Marines have been killed in the region in three days. The number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war stands at 1,820, according to U.S. military reports.

All 21 Marines who were killed Monday and Wednesday were assigned to Regimental Combat Team 2, part of the 2nd Marine Division, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force.

[Greeby]

10. At this rate

It'll be like this every day by the end of the summer :cry:

[wicket]

13. Link here:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/03/iraq.main/index.html

[rodeodance]

17. rest their souls (and the families)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Fourteen Marines and a civilian interpreter were killed Wednesday when their amphibious assault vehicle struck an improvised explosive device about 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) south of Haditha, Iraq, military officials said.

A Marine was also injured. The Marines were assigned to the 2nd Marine Division.

Wednesday's attack follows the killings of six Marines Monday in Haditha, which is in northwest Iraq.

Another Marine was killed in a suicide car bombing in nearby Hit on Monday, the Marine Corps said.
.....

[Ganja Ninja]

14. I hope we don't run out of troops before the Iraqi's run out of ...

last throes.

[malaise]

18. This is major news

but there is no major 'breaking news' about this. Does MSM really care about the lives of American marines? The Air France crash was given several hours of coverage yesterday and no one died. You have to wonder about the alliance with Bushco and MSM. This is disgraceful but bad news about deaths in an illegal war can't be good news for special interests. Guess they can switch back to Aruba now. Puke.

[saigon68]

21. ARUBA---THE SEARCH FOR "BLONDIE" GOES ON

With 25 FBI agents enjoying themselves on the beach you would think they would have found a few "Coronas" by now.

[burythehatchet]

42. have they drained Greta's brain yet?

[vincent_vega_lives]

115. Disparage the media an the FBI all you want

But what did the girl and her poor family do to earn the snide remarks?

[saigon68]

125. Sorry Vincent

I'm known for snide remarks

Except you know what-- I never said a fucking thing about her family.

[Ganja Ninja]

23. The BBC spent a whole half hour last night on the plane crash.

A plane crash where no one died and they spent the entire half hour newscast on it. I actually turned it off to get my local weather and came back and they were still talking about it. It should have gotten no more than 5 minutes.

[Tesha]

24. The plane crash had...

The plane crash had:

o Good, ongoing video with lots of smoke, fire, and speeding cars going by.

o A happy story line ("Can you believe it? Isn't it just a miracle that
nobody died!". "How 'bout those Canadians, ehh? They actually stopped
their cars on the 401 to get out and help the crash victims!")

o Lots of white people with cute accents

The alternative would be to show stories about death, doom, destruction,
and George W. Bush. But I repeat myself.

Tesha

[saigon68]

108. o Lots of white people with cute accents

LOL

[malaise]

26. I think the plane crash

deserved coverage up to the point where they realized no one died. We all thought that many persons died yesterday. Still, they will continue to milk this. Expect to hear more about miracles than the efficiency of the flight attendants and the Canadian EMS.

My problem is that the same level of coverage is not given to the deaths of American citizens in an illegal war or to issues that expose Bush et al.

[termo]

28. even more...

My problem is that the same level of coverage is not given to the deaths of Iraq civilians.

[malaise]

89. Well that is no surprise

since the poor Iraqis are unimportant to MSM, but not giving coverage to American soldiers killed during an illegal war is unbelievable. It is obvious collusion with Bushco.

[Free2BMe]

16. Interestingly placed third on National News..

1st...Space Shuttle(hope it works!), 2nd...Air France flight(thank goodness) 3rd...14 marines and interpreter die in Iraq (thank you GW)and oh by the way enjoy your 3 week vacation at the ranch...What a disgrace this administration is...Wake up America.

[RetroLounge]

19. It's actually 21 in two days

Fromm CNN:

"Fourteen Marines and a civilian interpreter were killed today when their amphibious assault vehicle struck an improvised explosive device near Haditha, Iraq, military officials said. Today's attack follows the deaths of six Marines Monday in Haditha, which is in northwest Iraq. Another Marine was killed in a suicide car bombing in nearby Hit on Monday, the Marine Corps said."

And the AWOL Chimp just keeps clearing brush...

RL

[saigon68]

20. PHOTO---- Those IEDs Kick Ass- The overpressure is astounding

A crater is visible in the road near a destroyed U.S. Army Humvee after a suicide car bomb attack in Baghdad August 2, 2005. (Ceerwan Aziz/Reuters)

[Solly Mack]

22. But hey, the CinC is on R and R

so all is well...

[Pert_UK]

25. BBC Link...

"The bomb is reported to have exploded near an amphibious assault vehicle travelling south of Haditha. One other marine was wounded.

At least 37 US military personnel have been killed in Iraq in the last 10 days during in a period of intense violence, but the latest Haditha attack ranks among the biggest US losses.

Last December, 14 US troops and four civilian contractors died in a suicide bombing targeting a military base in Mosul."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4741989.stm

Words cannot express my sorrow and anger.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

30. 37 killed in ten days?! Dear God Almighty, we're reliving Vietnam

right down to the daily death numbers.

MKJ

[TacticalPeek]

40. 43 killed in 10 days, according to cable news.

Bummer.

President AWOL doesn't even notice.

[Qanisqineq]

27. Devastating

So sad. :cry:

But remember, that Holloway chick is still missing and that is more important than anything going on in Iraq.

[acmavm]

29. Thank you WillyT. I was sitting here wondering if the 14 included the

sex snipers or if it was an additional 14 dead. Can't troll around too much, I'm at work. I start at 8:00 a.m. at it's 7:29 now. I'm not on company time but I dont' think the boss is too crazy about it.

[tabasco]

32. Bush is personally responsible.

The Commander In Chief took this Nation to war in Iraq on trumped-up evidence. Bush is responsible. Now our troops are in a living HELL thanks to a corrupt Commander In Chief.

The people in Ohio asked for more of this shit yesterday !

WTF is wrong with my country?

[CanonRay]

39. Has anyone else noticed

that while Tony Blair seems to be visibly aging (conscience...as in Lyndon Johnson), this shit doesn't seem to bother Bush in the least. He has no soul, no conscience.

[malachi]

74. You're right. Presidents look like shit after 2 or 3 years in offfice.

Check out Bill C or the monkey's daddy, they aged noticably.Not the chimp in chief, he has actually gotten healthier according to his recent med examination. Jackass works out 2 hours per day. Must be nice to have such a stress free job. Not that I'd wish any harm to the fuckhead, but whatever awaits him I hope is long and painful.

[expatriot]

100. Here's the most famous "changed appearance" of a president

Lincoln, 1860


Lincoln 1865


The stress that this man bore...

[catmandu57]

107. If he were really in charge

of that I have my doubts, to really effectively run this country does take a hell of a toll on people, that's one of the reasons I'm so suprised that chaindrive's mechanical heart hasn't given out yet.
I'm sure you've noticed, but they dye the moran's* hair every other week at least.
In some photos it's truly grey and mangy looking, then the next day it's a vibrant brown of a man half his age without any cares.
One other thing if you can stomach looking at the ugly sob long enough, he's awfully wrinkled up, they must do frequent plastic reconstruction on him, but it still shows.

[endarkenment]

33. Last throes of the warn-terra

We are now well into the glowball-strugga.

RIP.

1800+
WHY?

[IndianaGreen]

34. Obviously this means the insurgency is on its last throes

How quickly we surpassed the 1,800 milestone, and how high is it going to be by the end of this year?

[Emendator]

76. Technically

Last throes is a relative term and can mean anything. I guess one can say that in 376 AD, the Roman Empire was in its last throes, which would last for 100 more years. I'd like to know how a 3 week war becomes a 12 year war. I hope Cheney's in his last throes.

[alcuno]

35. May they all find peace with God.

And may their families always believe they died for a noble cause.

[Dhalgren]

52. No. I feel for the families, but they should - they MUST - know

that their loved ones died for NOTHING. The lives of their loved ones were wasted for no damned good reason. Their loved one died for a pack of lies - and nothing more. These families don't need to be continually lied to, they deserve the truth - nothing less.

[NEOBuckeye]

98. I disagree. The Soldiers, even in this wretched war, did die for something

So that Americans might someday awaken from this sickening stupor induced by smug, self-righteous patriotism and Faux Infotainment Media. The people, it now seems, MUST be bombarded and have their sensory inputs so saturated with Right Wing Extremism to the point that they become absolutely sickened by it, its consequences, and feel revulsion at the very thought of the GOP, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, PNAC and the NeoCons. This is a path that must lead to the final collapse of an imperialistic America, just as it did for the British Empire, Nazi Germany, France and other nations whose delusions of grandeur eventually led them to buy into their own hype.

The soldiers who perish during this war and their families who suffer for their loss have and will continue to pay an extremely high price. But such is the cost of ignorance and allowing onesself to be caught up in the delusions of nationalistic supremacy.

As hollow as it may sound, even in this very sorry episode of our history, there is a lesson to be learned. In that sense, if we are able to learn it, from the consequences of our delusions, arrogance, ignorance, inaction and shortcomings, the lives of our soldiers lost will not have been lost entirely in vain.

[alcuno]

148. I hope they never believe that.

Let the rest of us know the truth, but let the family members exist in ignorance. To believe otherwise would just add to their devastation.

[leftchick]

37. That must have been one very huge blast

or perhaps coordinated attacks. Those looted high explosives seem to have resurfaced.

This is such a lost cause and HUGE waste of human life. Bring them the fuck HOME!

:cry:

[sleipnir]

38. OR you just have 14 Marines in one vehicle.

That seems to be what happened.

[Frederik]

56. Amphibious Assault Vehicle

Which means, armored. These IEDs are pretty effective if they penetrate those.

[DS1]

68. see my post below

they're a hell of a lot less armored than you might expect

[Emendator]

41. Of course there's infiltration

And I'm sure it's very high. When the US casualty rates periodically go down, it's not because the insurgency is unable to strike, it's more likely that it's chosen not to and is waiting.

[NNN0LHI]

46. Iraqis do not need to be in any big hurry

They are not going anywhere soon.

Don

[osaMABUSh]

44. Bush Lied Many Lied - pass it around

I'm writing "Bush Lies" or some form of that on every piece of US currency that pass through my hands. I'm sick of it so I am doing every little bit of resistance I can offer.

[xxqqqzme]

96. I also add the date & casualty number 2

my dead presidents & one sec of treasury.

[DeaconBlues]

45. this is close to the numbers we were losing during the height of Vietnam

and things ain't going to get better

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. Um...no it's not

At the height of Vietnam 400-500 Americans were dying every month. We haven't seen anything near that level for any sustained period during the entire Iraq war. Even during the most deadly month of the war (November 2004), "only" 137 Americans died in Iraq operations. Compare to the 530+ who died consistently each month of 1968 in Vietnam:

http://members.aol.com/forcountry/kiamonth.htm

Just saying.

[Emendator]

78. You're right.

It's not as deadly as Vietnam thanks to improved medical techniques in the field. However, because of that fact this war is going to produce more survivors with extremely horrific injuries that would have otherwise been fatalities. And although Iraq is not as bad as Vietnam, it's a much bigger strategic disaster because it's in a region that is vitally important for the entire world.

[alcibiades_mystery]

79. All that may be true

I was simply pointing out that in terms of deaths and death rate, we are still nowhere close to Vietnam levels, as the previous poster claimed. That's the limit of my argument here. As for the idea that this is a greater strategic disaster, I agree wholeheartedly.

[DeaconBlues]

82. you're right

But the average of more than seven deaths a day since August began is much more reminiscent of Vietnam than anything we have seen in Iraq since the beginning of the war. At this moment in Iraq, it feels like a major conflict, and its definitely troublesome.

[alcibiades_mystery]

87. If seven deaths a day keeps up for a week, I might agree

As it stands, we'll probably "normalize" back to 2 or 3 a day over the course of time. I don't think 2 days is enough to indicate a trend, and the month break is arbitrary. We could, for example, break a time period on the day before one of the Chinooks got shot down and start yelling 30 deaths a day! Major conflict! But that would only be for one day, and wouldn't indicate a trend.

[Ilsa]

47. "Now after that little tidbit, we cut straight to the pig farm, uh,

I mean western white house, where President Bush is having his bacon and eggs at 4:30 in the morning, because getting up early to put others out is what he's good at. Bush is expected to cut some brush then go for a bike ride at four in the afternoon, the hottest part of the day, as he is an asshole even to the SS trying to protect him. When asked by reporters about the 21 Marines killed over the last two days, Bush mumbled something about 'Stay the course' and 'Bring 'em on.'"

[Guaranteed]

48. This is ridiculous. nt

[catmandu57]

49. I wonder what number of tour they were on?

Since the middle of last month americans in Iraq have been dying very quickly. During the middle part of July icasualties had the number of dead at 1751, it's now 1821.

Now, my math sucks, but even I can add that we've suffered seventy dead in about three weeks time. If these marines had been killed in twos and threes I don't think we would have heard this much about it.
It's only when the number is large that brings people out of the woodwork.

I don't know that that's what it's going to take though to get people to wake the fuck up.

[warrens]

50. Just proves the resistance is in its final throes

Right, Cheney, you pigfucker?

[leftchick]

53. CNNI reporting 43 US Troops Dead in 10 days....

:cry:

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. It's actually 44 over the last 11 days

but then we wouldn't expect CNN to get it right anyway.

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/prdDetails.aspx?hndRef=7-2005 (for 24 July-31 July) + 22 for 1 and 2 August.

[Politicub]

54. Fuck you Bush

Thier blood is on your hands.

I hope the defense contractors are filled with joy. This is the cost of thier no bid contracts.

[Mr_Spock]

57. Let's get out of there.

Why don't we just get the fuck out of there. Every other country around there is a dictaotorship and we support them - especially the Saudi's who are the worst of all. Let's put these billions of dollars into alternative fuel sources - unless republicans actually like death and destruction? I'm beginning to wonder...

[still_one]

60. its not just the repukes

there were enough democrats who also got us into this mess

you hear them echo we can't leave until the job is done. What is the job?

Was it to set up permanent bases in Iraq and occupy it?

we are in the middle of a civil war, and it will end up as a Shiite theocracy

[leftchick]

61. lieberman, hillary and biden

"more troops, more troops!". It is sickening. :(

[still_one]

63. you said it much better than I did

the best support for our troops is not a ribbon on your SUV that you support the troops, but bringing them home

[still_one]

58. hey republicans from ohio, I hope you are proud of yourselves

electing someone in the 2nd district who supports the PNAC policy policy of killing our young people

you along with "your" commander in chief" are responsibile

you had an opportunity to change things, and instead of doing the right thing did the cowards way

[freedomburn]

62. It is unbelievable. We give the life blood of our youth for a needlss war

a war that many are profiteering from, including Bushy's oil buddies. We need to get the hell out of there, and like now. How many more will needlessly die for a failed policy? 4000? 5000? 50,000?? STOP THIS MADNESS!!

[still_one]

65. 2006 will be so important

[reprobate]

126. Don't blame the people of Ohio. Blame Diebold and the republicans.

It doesn't matter anymore how many people vote for whom. Republicans own the voting machines, so it's now impossible for anyone but a republican to win an election.

That's how it is now in the Fascist States of America.

[Midlodemocrat]

64. Terrible, terrible news.

Bring them home, now, you complete POS.

Obviously, the POS is *.

[DS1]

67. I used to drive what those guys were blown up in

The Amphibious Assault Vehicle should NEVER have been used for extended in-land operations. It's designed to float, so its armor is 3/4 inch thick aluminum, which makes it an assault vehicle with less protection than an uparmored humvee.

And besides, if you survive the blast, the HFSS Halon Fire Suppression System will have you dead from oxygen deprivation in seconds.

Thanks, Rummy.

[Frederik]

84. Thanks for the info

"its armor is 3/4 inch thick aluminum"

Aluminum? Oh dude.

[ninkasi]

113. Since I have zero military experience...

I was kind of curious, why would they be in an amphibious assault vehicle, anyway? That type of vehicle didn't make sense to me, at least considering where they are.

[vincent_vega_lives]

117. Not a ridiculous question

an AAV is basicaly a waterproof dumpster on tracks. The Marines are using it as an Armored personnel carrier 'cuz that's what they have.

[DS1]

119. waterproof dumpster on tracks

I'd like that, if it didn't imply everything inside was trash :shrug:

[ninkasi]

139. Thank you for the answer

I appreciate it...you confirmed what I already feared.

"The Marines are using it as an Armored personnel carrier 'cuz that's what they have. "

Nothing can make the deaths easier for their loved ones to bear, but when I read about the bonuses, millions of dollars, that we taxpayers have showered on Halliburton, it makes me crazy with grief and rage, that the cowards who started this war send our people in without the proper equipment.

To all those who voted for this idiot...I feel like grabbing by the neck, and asking if all these deaths are worth it to them, and the precious "values" they claim to vote for. Is it really so important, which gender is which when it comes to marriage?

Is giving more tax breaks to the same ones raking in millions already from this blood soaked war? Is it so important to insert yourself into a woman's womb, and force her to carry to term a child who might be born with painful, fatal illness, or the child of a rapist, or a child she cannot feed?

I will never understand what caused people to vote for this moran, but one thing is for sure...I will never forgive them, either.

[DS1]

118. Marines don't have much better of an option for hauling troops

inside a vehicle. There's a 5-ton truck, but that's open to everything.

The AAV is the in-combat personnel carrier workhorse. Pride, money, ego, kickbacks and -other- keep them from getting something decent.

The AAV is real piece of shit.

[ninkasi]

140. Thank you...

From your answer, what cuts at my soul...

"The AAV is the in-combat personnel carrier workhorse. Pride, money, ego, kickbacks and -other- keep them from getting something decent."

In other words, less money for the greedy men who started this fiasco, if we properly equip our troops. Since we can't...or won't...we need to bring them home NOW!

[NYC]

121. What is the point of the HFSS if it kills people?

I would assume its purpose is to prevent those people burning. If the fire suppression kills the people, is it just to save the vehicle after the people are dead?

[DS1]

122. Yep

People are expendable.

[NYC]

124. Well, that's sad,

but thanks for the answer.

[Stevious]

69. unbelievable

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050803/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Why does * hate the troops?

:wtf:

[against all enemies]

71. "Now watch this drive" Fishing, golfing, relaxing, it's hard work.

[DS1]

77. nevermind

:grouphug: anyway

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. This looks like it was Team 2 again, though, yeah?

I actually went and looked at yesterday's thread to determine stanwyck's son's unit. You're right: It's team 8. But the 14 dead seems to come from Team 2, the same as the 6 yesterday. Cold comfort, to be sure.

Could somebody let us know the structure of these units. I'm more familiar with the Company designations (Echo 2/5, for example, for E Company, 2nd battalion, 5th Marine regiment), so I'm not sure how many are in a 'combat team.'

[DS1]

81. Yes

Echo Co, 2nd Bat, 5th Reg

my mistake, again with Team 2

[anaxarchos]

132. Regimental Combat Team or "RCT"...

... basically the same since World War 2.

Essentially the same as an Army Brigade - 3 Rifle Battalions plus supporting or less than 2500 rifles but with supporting can be as high as 5000 to 8000 men and women. They are numbered for the old regiments so... Team 8 is the 8th Marine Regiment. Team 2 is the old 2nd Marine Regiment of the 2nd Marine Division. It used to be composed of 1/2, 2/2, 3/2 but battalions are cross assigned so 2/5 is part of Team 2 but originates from the 5th Marines/1st Marine Division.

It gets screwy because there are also battalion teams, i.e. "BLT"s or battalion landing teams.

[dArKeR]

85. More than half have rated this story "One Star" 737 Votes, 2.4 Stars.

I don't believe it's Freepers. It's Echelon on the ISP ratings bad news from Iraq. I've posted 3 dozens examples.

[DS1]

90. Absolutely sickening

And yet, they think this supports the troops.

Why don't they just ship Fred Phelps over there to give them last rites while they're at it? :eyes:

[catmandu57]

104. I wonder if these people giggle when they ckick the first star?

This morning there were 490 votes at 2 1/2 stars, I hit five immediately after reading it, but the people who rate these stories low are a mystery to me.
Why? are they like the chimperor? do they cream their shorts thinking they'll hide the bad news?
Sick sons of a bitches.

[dArKeR]

141. I'm telling ya, it's NOT people! It's Echelon. The NSA/FBI Blackboxes

attached to every ISP in America (most likely the world.) I'm very closely watched this. It's NOT Freepers. Example: Top six stories on Yahoo Front Page.. Like one about Hillary Clinton with a rating of 4 Stars, from 150 to 300 votes, published for 4 hours. Then you'll have a bad news Iraq story; out for 4 minutes, One or Two stars, 400 Votes. It's statistically impossible. I've posted a good two dozen examples of this on the DU. I'm telling ya, I don't make these things up. Someone, Dean, Franken... someone should try to investigate this!

Oops. I forgot my point. I've it's Freepers rating the Iraq story down they'd take the extra second to rate something down which they hate even more, Hillary.

[Barrett808]

123. Gave it a 5. Currently 2.5/5 with 1110 votes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050803/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050803160441;_ylt=AtWtCzOW2Q2e_VVNwtXkUs9X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[lateo]

88. Looks like we've "turned the corner"

[Coexist]

91. yeah - right into the ambush.

how horribly sad. When will this administration stop using soldiers as expendable political objects.

[reprobate]

128. When? When they're all shipped to the Hague for war crimes.

[Justitia]

92. Now THIS will really put a damper on Bush's daily jog on the ranch!

Nah....they probably won't even tell the crown prince and disturb his vacation.

:grr:

[shantipriya]

93. BLOOD

The blood of these 14 marines and all the others is on the hands of all those morons and SOB's who voted for the village idiot last November.

[HannibalBarca]

95. Ohio??

...Ironic really seeing as that is the place that give Shrub the edge over Kerry in the electoral college. Food for thought.

Condolences to the families.

[underthedome]

114. Not ironic

The troops dying is not oronic since troops from all over the country have been dying not just ones based in Ohio.

But it is Ironic that an Iraqi war vet lost an election to a Repub. who strongly supported Bush just yesterday.

[Gregorian]

97. We don't get these headlines when 14 Iraqi's die.

And that deeply saddens me.

[Barkley]

131. A: Because Natilie Holloway is still missing - nt

[Ron Mexico]

99. I hope nobody tells B*sh about this.

It's be a shame is our president-select had to take time from his vacation to pretend to care about this.

[Chicago Democrat]

110. Probably from the cache of HIGH EXPLOSIVES not guarded and

looted early in war.


Blow back


:(

[Beaverhausen]

111. I wish someone would "bring it on" to bush himself

i am so fucking mad I can't stand it.

why are we (and I include myself) not doing more to stop this?

Why is Bush allowed to go on vacation with this going on?


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Ilsa]

112. Not even the fourth headline on MSRNC at 1pm/12 noon central.

1. Shuttle/walk
2. Air France flt.
3. Man tries to get down from a ferris wheel.
4. Storm in the Atlantic.

Correction: when they actually did the stories, the moved the Marines' deaths up to number three, covering the fact that they were from the same battalion as the six killed on Monday.

CNN:
1. London bomb suspect arrested
2. Shuttle
3. Air France
4. Bush in Grapevine Tx.

[deadparrot]

116. RIP.

...

[dejaboutique]

120. COVER it you cowardly MSM!

no coverage. Top three stories on msnbc does not include this! It is pshychologically bad enough that our troops have to die but it compounds it by 100x when they won't fuc%ing cover it to show all these bush voters they have blood on their hands!

[reprobate]

129. My letter to MSNBC

I'm looking at your home page right now and what do I see for headlines?

A coup in Mauritania. That will surely effect me.

Fewer job cuts planned in July. Of course August will make uup for it.

A brain-dead woman gives birth. Wow.

London police are stretched. Terrorism will do that.

Time Warner post a loss. Boy does that sadden me.

But where is the story that should have all true Americans fuming in anger at that silver spoon frat boy who lied us into a war that shouldn't have been? Why, it's there, halfway down the page, in the smallest type on the page. Fourteen more Americans dead for Mad George's Folly. No, sorry. Folly implies a mistake. This was intentional.

Well, some may call it a mistake. I call it Treason. But not many will know about it since the story is buried where you have to dig to find it.

This is journalism? Wait, I think I heard your leader Joseph Goebells calling.

So many of us out here are getting fed up with journalism in this once proud nation today. No wonder you rate right down there with politicians.

Bah!!

I fart in your general direction.

The Reprobate.

[saigon68]

150. MONSTER POST

I fart in your general direction.

lol

[Barkley]

130. Let's keep this in perspective...

Natilie Holloway is still missing.

[donheld]

133. Sad sad sad

When will we hit bottom?

[wanpete]

134. The msm is a real joke. All that spinning. They should be nauseous

by now. That general today saying that this attack shows how desperate the insurgents are is just unbelievable. The spacewalk, the plane fire, London TERRA TERRA TERRA, and of course, the Aruban mystery, continue to be what's most important. The sheeple continue to be fooled because there is not a feeling in this country that we are actually at war. We don't see it, hear about it, talk about it, so it doesn't exist. And that's just what *co want. It's disgusting. A big FU to Kyra on CNN for all of her unsolicited remarks that seem to be pro rethug, Darin Kagan(we all know why), Monica Crawley, Wolfe Blitzer, Scarborough, Nancy Grace, and the entire Faux news network!

[freedomburn]

137. Mission Accomplished? If the wholesale slaughter of our working class

is the mission, well then I suppose it is Mission Accomplished.

[ronnykmarshall]

136. We're turnin' thu corner.

We got terra on the run.

Freedom's on the march.

FUCK OFF BUSH!

[Fire Walk With Me]

144. Roadside Bomb Kills 14 Marines in Iraq

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Fourteen U.S. Marines were killed Wednesday when a huge bomb destroyed their lightly armored vehicle, hurling it into the air in a giant fireball in the deadliest roadside bombing suffered by American forces in the
Iraq war.
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A civilian translator also was killed and one Marine was wounded. The victims were from the same Ohio-based Reserve unit as five of six members of a Marine sniper team killed on Monday in an ambush claimed by the Islamic extremist Ansar al-Sunnah Army.

The deaths brought to 23 the number of Marines killed in the past week in fighting along the volatile Euphrates Valley of western Iraq and marked one of the bloodiest periods for U.S. forces in months. In all, 44 American service members have died in Iraq since July 24 — all but two in combat.

[StaggerLee]

145. my God

not again.

[are_we_united_yet]

146. This

is fucking depressing. Absolutely fucking depressing. n/t

[sakabatou]

147. There is no rational reason for being there... EVER!

Makes me sick to my stomach.