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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:12 AM
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Schwarzenegger offers energy plan (uh oh)
Los Angeles Times
(Published Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 5:17 AM)

Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger, who saw his predecessor undone by California's electricity debacle, is engaged in his own high-wire act, offering an energy plan designed for both ends of the political spectrum.
Schwarzenegger's preliminary proposal takes a Republican-style reliance on free markets, which became decidedly unpopular in the energy crisis of 2000-2001, and mixes in liberal favorites such as aggressive conservation and increased use of green energy.
Within two years, for example, he wants half of all new homes built in California to be equipped with solar cells.
More ...
http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/7594285p-8502903c.html
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Uh oh, bend over Cali-fo-nia, we're about to get a power grope. While Bushco picks over the bones of the California power industry Arnold makes a few wee promises to go green. As in the Hulk?

Get over it? I don't think so.

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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:16 AM
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1. Oh My...
We are gonna get ass-raped by the oil companys again.....
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:20 AM
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2. Before the CA Legislature conducts even one vote on his plans,
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 10:27 AM by Flying_Pig
they must demand to have a full accounting of Ahnold's private meeting with Ken Lay at the height of the phony-ass "energy criris". They must demand to know exactly what was discussed. If Ahnold refuses, and say's he, "can't remember", then they should deny him all energy legislation.

Much more scrutiny must be given on WHO is advising Ahnold on energy issues too. Something tells me whatever he comes up with, is going to stink, and set this state up again to be screwed by Bush's Texas energy buddies.

CA still has a number of lawsuits pending against these thieves, in an attempt to re-coup some of the tens of billions the state was ripped off for. I wonder if Ahnold will call for these suits to be dropped, letting these people get off scot-free? Hopefully, the AG will proceed full-steam ahead!

BTW, anyone heard from Ken Lay lately? Has he been in CA recently?
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:30 AM
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6. Don't know about Ken but Aunald is meeting Bush today
Bush is attending a fundraiser in San Bernadino here in So Cal. Aunald will attend and "meet privately" with the smirk. To hand over the keys?



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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 12:10 PM
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9. Call your representatives and write your local newspapers, CA DU-ers!
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 12:12 PM by rocknation
You have every right to know if there's a connection between Arnold's meeting with Lay and his wanting to settle the lawsuit when the state economy is hurting for money. Indeed, if he does settle, conspiracy or and/or obstruction of justice charges should be in order.




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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:20 AM
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3. His solution is (not suprisingly) greenwashing
Free-market energy - that's the problem, not the solution. Making some empty promises concerning conservation and "green" energy is the equivalent of Bush pimping his not-yet-invented hydrogen super-car while lowering environmental standards and pushing for lower emissions standards and reducing the Clean Air Act. Greenwashing, plain and simple.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:27 AM
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4. I like the solar cell idea, is he proposing incentives?
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 10:28 AM by demdave
I think that in certain parts of the country builders should have some sort of incentive to incorporate solar cells, or at least passive solar energy into building designs. Reducing the need for energy is always a good thing, especially when it is unobtrusive and hassle-free.

I also just read about a new solar cell product made out of cheap plastic. It is not as efficient, but the cost and durability makes it break even with traditional cells.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:29 AM
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5. It's mostly Repug "free-market" economics
I said when he entered that Schwarzenegger'd mean higher utility bills for Californians.

In 2000, the gentlemen farmers who control my state's legislature were ready to pass on a de-reg bill to our DLC governor. But the California energy crisis hit and they backed off.

If Aww-no'd gets Simon's fully-blown de-reg package through the California legislature the rest of these reactionary Repug dominated state legislatures will fall like dominos.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 10:59 AM
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7. He won't get it through BJ. Both houses of the legislature are solidly
Edited on Wed Oct-15-03 11:00 AM by Flying_Pig
Dem, and after getting burned so badly last time, there is no way Republican type de-reg will EVER pass again, ever. Arnold can put up plans all he wants, but it means nothing. If the Dems can show how it would raise our rates even further (we're already highest in the nation), or it helps the energy companies in any way, they can kill him with it. His mouth is flapping, but it means less than nothing.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-03 11:03 AM
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8. But will they speak with one voice
Remember Aunald's, "I vill take it to the people," promise if he doesn't get his way. The legislature should respond, "WE WILL NOT BE GROPED."

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