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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:25 AM
Original message
BREAKING NEWS: Al-Qaida's al-Zawahri threatens
more destruction in London. More soon ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

They must have made a new tape in Crawford....
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:29 AM
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1. Al-Quaida to London: "Boo, y'all!"
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 07:29 AM by Dhalgren
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:30 AM
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2. I just got this
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 07:41 AM by Tesla
From:
MSNBC Breaking News <MSNBC_BreakingNews_NewsMail@MSNBC.COM> Save Address Reminder
To: BREAKINGNEWS@LISTS.MSNBC.COM
Subject: Breaking News - Al-Qaida's al-Zawahri: Blair responsible for London bombings
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:13:01 +0000


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MSNBC Breaking News
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Al-Qaida's al-Zawahri: Blair responsible for London bombings -

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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #2
57. Man, I needed a laugh today.......
and your graphic sure gave me one. I'm going to print it out and hang it in my cube!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:32 AM
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3. I'm getting really tired of this little bugeyed shit's Bond villain act
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 07:35 AM by thebigidea
taunting tapes from a secret fortress - goddamnit, who does he think he is? Vincent Price as Egghead or something? The Riddler?

What a weasel, cut from the same cloth as the neocons... he's the Islamic Michael Ledeen, a douchebag hiding under a rock whilst encouraging others to do his dirty work.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Perhaps we should pay him
One million dollars!

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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:34 AM
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4. Putting on the tin foil hat for a moment.
Why London again? And why say that Blair is responsible? Why no more attacks here since 9/11? And why has Al-Qaida NOT said that * is responsible for 9/11?

Anybody else see something screwy here or is it just me?
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:38 AM
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5. Exactly
but the U.S. is firmly in line. Got to scare those Brits into submission. It's so very clear.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
56. How are we firmly in line?
I must be missing something here.
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. Bin Laden has personally claimed responsibility for 9/11.
"While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States..." etc.

Excerpts: Bin Laden video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
34. At first, he deined it.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 10:21 AM by ryanmuegge
I wonder how much his little God that he's killed so many people for liked that (lying).
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:04 AM
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37. This is the UNEDITED bin Laden transcript
Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example – Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 – may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

No-one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr. did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children – also in Iraq – as Bush Jr. Did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at The White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief amongst them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterized by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr. to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinizes the results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving those spectacular gains.

Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations – whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction – has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ.

And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed out that) for example, al-Qaida spent $500 000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost – according to the lowest estimate – more than 500 billion dollars.

Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahideen recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the blee-until-bankruptcy plan – with Allah's permission.

It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Haliburton and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser is...you.

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within twenty minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50 000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. We were given three times the period required to execute the operations – All Praise is Due to Allah.

And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him, "All that you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass destruction – assuming they exist – is available to you, and the nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with an unknown outcome."

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled, and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his future. He fits the saying, "Like the naughty she-goat who used her hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth"

So I say to you, over 15 000 of our people have been killed and tens of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been killed and more than 10 000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil and keeping their private companies in business.

Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of its sons, also for money.

And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorize the women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for every action, there is a reaction.

Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say, "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if they were telling you, the people of America, "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes," And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry, "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."

As has been said, "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."

And know that, "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All Peace be Upon he who follows the Guidance.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
48. Is that for real?
It's the most interesting thing I've read all day.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Yes, it's the original
"Monday 01 November 2004, 16:01 Makka Time, 13:01 GMT


Bin Ladin directed his message at the American people

Following is the full English transcript of Usama bin Ladin's speech in a videotape sent to Aljazeera. In the interests of authenticity the transcript, which appeared as subtitles at the foot of the screen, has been left unedited."
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:57 AM
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50. How can this be interpreted? I am at a loss in understanding this part...
"All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies."
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. I see it as
making Americans rush hither and yon over supposed threats. Threats that don't exist, but that cost America bigtime.

How many times has there been a panic over 'heightened traffic' on the net...and nothing happens?

'benefits to private companies' could refer to oil interests or security and arms businesses.

After reading this I've suspected that they often send each other emails saying 'the crow flies at midnight' and other fake codewords, and then sit back and watch the panic.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #50
62. Bop the Gopher
Try it here!


http://www.asmarteru.com/gopher.html


Trouble is, the "cloth on which is written al-Qaida" might be one of bu$h's bathtowels with "al-Quaida" written by Cheney with his wife's lipstick.


I should put my imagination to bed!



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jbane Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #37
61. All that says to me is babble babble babble, blah blah blah,
death to the infidels..
Hey Osama, blow it out your *&%^$.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. I'm sure you
want to know WHY you're under attack, instead of Bush's silly 'hate us for our freedoms' crap.

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jbane Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #65
85. I know why they want to kill us...
because we are there, in their homeland. And I can see why they feel that way but I have no intention of reading Bin Laden's krappafesto.
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asianmale Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
91. BS meter pegging
Link please
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #10
40. But the FBI never indicted him for 9/11-WTC

So, if we take the words of the official propaganda, we can say he was lying and was spreading disinfo.

"MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS _OUTSIDE_ THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS _OUTSIDE_ THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH"

I don't think the WTC was a federal building, was it?

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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
83. I see it too.
Everything just doesn't add up. It's like they set the script but cast all the players wrong. If they really wanted perpetual warfare why not pick on China? You could play that out for at least another century.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. Odd is how the Press seems to miss these cues, too.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. China has no oil (or nothing compared to Ira- q & n). (nt)
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Plus we don't want to piss off an emerging market
of 1 billion! I hear cash registers!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:40 AM
Response to Original message
7. Maybe this is a magician's sleight of hand.
He draws the focus on London while something in this country is being planned. No true strategist reveals his plans beforehand.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I can't understand the back talk,
If he did plan it, why is he saying Blair did it!
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. He's saying that Blair caused it by taking part
in the Iraq War. He sees the bombings as revenge for this. He's passing the buck of responsibility whilst threatening more attacks.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:48 AM
Response to Original message
9. Direct link to story here:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. "We have offered you a truce if you leave the land of Islam.”
'Nuff said! We're outa' there!
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Depends on what the "Land of Islam" is.
Looks like he is saying Isreal must leave all of Palestine as well. And you can argue wether tis would include Spain as well.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
63. Spain.... Alhambra


The name Alhambra comes from an Arabic root which means "red or crimson castle", perhaps due to the hue of the towers and walls that surround the entire hill of La Sabica which by starlight is silver but by sunlight is transformed into gold. But there is another more poetic version, evoked by the Moslem analysts who speak of the construction of the Alhambra fortress "by the light of torches", the reflections of which gave the walls their particular coloration. Created originally for military purposes, the Alhambra was an alcazaba (fortress), an alcázar (palace) and a small medina (city), all in one. This triple character helps to explain many distinctive features of the monument.

http://www.andalucia.com/cities/granada/alhamhistory.htm
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
13. What is the Chimp's Poll Numbers
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #13
39. Um Doesn't that saying go fool me once shame on you,
Fool me twice shame, er, can't fool me again.

-Hoot
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. I had forgotten that
He's such a moron. :banghead:
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:38 AM
Response to Original message
15. Al-Qaeda 'blames Blair for bombs' - BBC
Osama Bin Laden's lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahri has warned London will face more attacks because of Tony Blair's foreign policy decisions.
His comments were made in a videotape which was broadcast on Arab satellite channel al-Jazeera.

The al-Qaeda deputy said: "Blair has brought you destruction to the heart of London, and he will bring more destruction, God willing."

He also warned the US that Iraq would be worse than Vietnam.

Mr Blair denies his policies provoked the 7 July bombs, which killed 56.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4745639.stm
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LeftyElvis Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
58. I agree with this creep
We should be reconsiling and talking rather than bombing and killing. Muslims do not want non-Muslims in their lands. We should honor that. It is their land to do as they seem fit. We should pull out and extend the hand of friendship. We are interferring with their culture, religion and way of life. Where is the tolerance?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:41 AM
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16. Al-Zawahiri Threatens London in New Tape (says Iraq will be like Vietnam)
<<SNIP>>
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.193922002&par=0

TERRORISM: AL-ZAWAHIRI THREATENS LONDON IN NEW TAPE

Doha, 4 August (AKI) - Al-Qaeda number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has warned London that it will suffer more attacks because of prime minister Tony Blair's policies, on a new videotape broadcast by the Qatar-based satellite channel Al Jazeera. "Blair has brought you destruction in central London, and he will bring more of that, God willing," the Egyptian doctor, considered Osama bin Laden's deputy, said in the video, which showed him with a Kalashnikov rifle propped against the wall behind him.

Blair himself has dismissed claims that his policies were responsible for the attacks on London's public transport system, which left 56 dead, including the bombers.

In the message, which was not broadcast in its entirety, Al-Zawahiri once again proposes the ceasefire offered by bin Laden last year in return for the "withdrawal of the crusaders from our territories," and tells the "people of the crusader coalition" that "you will not be able dream of peace until peace becomes a reality for the Arab people."

He also tells US president George W. Bush and defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld that "if there is not an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, the Iraqis will become like the Vietnamese."

<</SNIP>>
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. Isn't Iraq already like Vietnam?
Does anyone else notice that when * is way down in the polls and many soldiers are being blown up and killed that a new video is released by some purported Al Qaeda figure?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. the infamous number # 2 guy usually...
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. We've captured many #3 guys so it's usually the #2 guy in the videos. n/t
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 08:50 AM
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20. ever think.........its the US
he really means?..........that London is a diversion...that all eyes focused on London and Blair....bam....thenm comes a attack in the US .

while Bush is on Vacation again!..........would get his poll numbers up huh?
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:00 AM
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21. Al Qaida loves Bush, please, they all are the bad guys. nt
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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22. (Breaking) Al-Qaida's #2 Man Makes Threat to U.S., Britain (new video)
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 09:42 AM by wildflower
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Four weeks to the day after the first London bombings, a top al-Qaida leader is threatening more destruction in the city.

In a videotape broadcast on Arab T-V channel Al-Jazeera, Ayman al-Zawahri says British leader Tony Blair will be to blame. He blames Blair for the bombings on three London subway trains and a bus July seventh, which killed 52 people and the four bombers.

Al-Zawahri says al-Qaida would offer a "truce" if Western nations with troops in Iraq stop working with the U-S-led coalition and leave the country. He also mentions al-Qaida leader Osama bin
Laden in saying there will be no world security until the "infidel armies" leave Islamic lands.

He also threatened the U-S with tens of thousands of troop deaths if it doesn't pull out of Iraq.

http://www.wltx.com/news/news19.aspx?storyid=29413

(Edit) There is a longer, more detailed AP article at http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/12301996.htm
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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23. Hmm, indictments must be forthcoming in the Rove/Libby treason.
And, did you see those poll numbers?
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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26. I'm not sure, which ones?
I also heard they were playing this video on CNN...anyone seen it?

-wildflower
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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28. referance to the history of terrorists worries when the news is bad for
the junta. News has been bad and getting worse, so I automatically anticipate 'terra terra' from the talking heads and compliant 'terraists'.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:45 AM
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36. Who watches any of these whore networks anymore?
Why are we in Iraq when the terrorists are in Saudi Arabia?
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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24. Which Al Qaida (Quedda, Quida, etc.) #2 is this?
The "real" #2?
This week's #2?
Number five of the #2s?
Number one in a long string of #2s?

Does someone have the org chart, dammit?

mikey_the_rat
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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29. Perhaps someone should call in Casey Kasem.n/t
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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30. It is Ayman al-Zawahri...
according to the AP article, which also has a still of the video up:

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/news/12301996.htm
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:13 PM
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76. is this the same dude we've "caught"
at least 4-5 times over the past few years?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:16 PM
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88. This is actually no joke, Zawahiri is in reality #1, an extremely
dangerous, evil man who has been a wanted terrorist for decades. Why he has remained at large for so long is a travesty. He is to Bin Laden, what Cheney is to Bush, in other words, he is the one really in charge. Bin Laden is spokesman, symbolic figurehead, Zawahiri is the real mastermind, not like the fake ones and multiple #3's the * administration keeps trotting out for the sheeple. I do get afraid when Zawahiri releases a tape, very bad things usually follow.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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25. Bigger than 9/11?
"Our message is clear -- what you saw in New York and Washington and what you are seeing in Afghanistan and Iraq, all these are nothing compared to what you wil see next."


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/04/zawahiri.london/index.html

Saturday is the 60th anniversary of Hiroshima.

Hmmm.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:46 AM
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27. "al-Qaida would offer a "truce"" ?
Why didn't we think of that?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 09:47 AM
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31. I wonder what he really said. n/t
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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:19 AM
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33. Some translation by al-Jazeera
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:03 AM
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32. I'm sure the neocons would hold me up as an example.. but..
Has anyone in power, in the western world, really found out WHY they are hellbent on killing us? I know, that will be taken by some as being an apologist, I know.. why do I hate the Western World? But.. seems to me that REASONABLE people might ask themselves, once American Idol is over, why exactly do they want to kill us? Is asking appeasing? Terrorists are scum, and they prey on the ordinary folks who have NOTHING to do with the policies that stink of the effort to Christianize the world (except for the crazy ass people like Coulter who has actually boasted of it).

I reject that "they hate us for our freedoms" bullshit that Bush loves to repeat. I think we all have our ideas here as to why the extremists want to kill us, but I think it would do a lot of good for the Bush Administration to actually understand why, and see if their policies are good for the world, and not just for their military contracting benefactors. I know you 'can't negotiate with terrorists', as we've been told many times by Bush, but for God's sake couldn't we look at why this is happening? Is that so wrong?
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asianmale Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 10:30 AM
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35. Reasonable approach
Happy to see a cogent rational reasonable way of approaching the whole mess and stumbling on someone that can actually offer up some useful suggestions
Won't you now please give us a solution that will relieve us of this whole mess, make them quit killing children and other innocents without appeasement and without destroying the world economy.
Then we can all go back to sleep.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:57 AM
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51. If governments and large corps were held to the same standards,....
,...of fair dealing and moral reponsibility as common folks,...the whole world would be a much better place to live.

However, why would I believe that those who hold such power would actually abdicate it to fair dealing and moral responsibility? Power-mongers are amoral with NO sense of duty to contribute to the welfare of anyone other than themselves.

*sigh*
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #32
38. See...post 37... explains it fully
in the unedited transcript Americans never got to see.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:59 AM
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52.  Yep. If you read it as an uninterested party you'd be convinced.


He uses reasonable words, traces the beginnings beck to ray-gun, and if you think about it, those battleship guns throwing sixteen inch shells down on civilian residence towers IS an atrocity.

In fact, if you look at our past we seem to thro our military around like some thro words around. It's the American way to resort to violence first, words later. Just look at our entertainment. Why else is professional wrestling so popular?

I point, for example, to the fifty two invasions of central and south american nations we have perpetrated in the past century. Fifty two? Yes, fifty two boots on the ground, rifle in hand invasions to prop up our corporate CEOs and their profits.

Now who could be angry at a history like that? Iraq is just another in a long line of diplomacy at the end of a gun barrel.

Some might thing from these words that I am anti-american... That would be not only wrong, but damn wrong. I am not anti-american, just anti-american government direction.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:07 PM
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55. Huntington agrees with you
"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

Samuel P. Huntington
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chapel hill dem Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #32
41. Start with Bin Laden's 1996 Declaration of War (Fatwa link)
It is rambling and difficult to read, but here is what Osama says are his reasons.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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42. Qaeda's Zawahri warns Britain, U.S. of more attacks
By Heba Kandil 29 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050804/ts_nm/qaeda_zawahri_tape_dc

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahri has warned the United States and Britain of more attacks, saying they would not rest in peace until they pulled their troops from
Iraq and other Muslim states.

His video aired on Thursday was the first to directly focus on Britain's policies, warning Britons of more attacks after last month's bomb blasts against London's transport system, which killed more than 50 people.

Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's deputy, also repeated previous threats against the United States.

"What you have seen in New York, Washington and
Afghanistan, are only the initial losses," he said, referring to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States for which al Qaeda claimed responsibility.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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43. How many "second in comand"s does Al Qaeda have???
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:45 PM
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59. One.
Zawahiri's been it for many a year now.

Zarqawi's Mesopotamian branch office has his own #2, but let's not confuse the lad from Zarqaa for the Egyptian doc.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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44. B-b-but...we're safer now!!!
I mean, wasn't that the point of fighting the terraists "over there" instead of here?

And if we weren't safe as mother's milk, why would our Commander in Chief take a five-week vacation in Crawford?

This al-Qaeda guy MUST be lying.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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45. If Prezznint Butch says we're safe, that's good enough for me.
Why, I feel safer just by SAYING "I feel safe," I tells ya!



:evilgrin:
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:19 AM
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46. Where's Osama?
doesn't he make tapes anymore, or is he too busy for that now?
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Caleb Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:05 PM
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54. He's at Bush's ranch right now
So, he's a little busy this August.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:37 PM
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64. He stays in the guest house and helps with
The GARDEN!


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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:34 AM
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47. I wonder how much Bush is paying him for the Emmanuel Goldstein act
bin Laden probably died on them so they had to replace the actor with whoever's playing al-Zawahiri.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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66. Al Qaeda threatens more UK, U.S. attacks
In the video, al-Zawahiri also issued several warnings for the United States.

"Our message is clear -- what you saw in New York and Washington (in 2001) and what you are seeing in Afghanistan and Iraq, all these are nothing compared to what you will see next."

He also warned the United States to "stop stealing our oil and wealth and stop supporting corrupt rulers."

"If you continue your politics against Muslims, you will see, God willing, such horror that you will forget the horrors of Vietnam."

Al-Zawahiri reminded the United States and its allies of the "hudna" (truce) that bin Laden offered last year in return for the withdrawal of foreign troops from Muslim lands.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/04/zawahiri.london/index.html

~~~~~~~~

He's not kidding.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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67. And what does President Shrub do.....he takes a five week vacation!
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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68. Does My Pet Goat have a second tome?
I'm just throughly disgusted. I'm actually fearful they finally are ready to attack us on land.
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:16 PM
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78. how can that fcucking fcukstick take a fcucking vacation again?

G-D!!!
Our country is so fcucking stupid.



Any other pres would be excoriated for such bull.



:mad: :grr: :banghead:
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jbane Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. STEALING THEIR OIL.! at $60 a barrell....
He's been in a cave in Whogivesafuckstan too long.
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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70. sow the wind
reap the whirlwind
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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71. This idiot isnt any smarter than our leaders
Its a shame we have to put up with insane leaders
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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72. Remember we have a big Terror Drill going on now.
The drill scenario is setting off a Nuke in the port of Charleston SC
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:58 PM
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73. yep, here comes the nuclear MIHOP, martial law, and nuking Iran
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:44 PM
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89. You guys scare me when you bring that up
I live in Chas, SC.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:01 PM
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75. MORE BREAKING NEWS
Sun rises in east, sets in west.

:eyes:
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Running Free Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:14 PM
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77. Cry me a river...
Give us back Marc Emery and we'll help you deal with them.
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:46 PM
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92. WTF
:eyes:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:00 PM
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74. Does the UK have a color code for terror alerts?
Jesus, London is under a self-imposed siege, first time since WWII.

Way to go, Tony!
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:40 PM
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80. Britain has had them since the IRA campaigns of then 1970's
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 02:40 PM by fedsron2us
At the moment it is 'Black Special' which is one notch below 'Amber'. The security forces are on a high state of alert but the politicians, taking their queue from the shit bag in the Whitehouse, have all fucked off on two months holiday. Difficult to know whom I despise more, the liar and hypocrite, Blair, or the Islamic nutters who think blowing up hospital cleaners on the London tube will somehow restore the Caliphate. May the good Lord send a plague of boils to afflict them all.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:23 PM
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79. bush* ratings in the toilet time to raise osama weekendatbernies bin Laden
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 02:24 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
again
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:57 PM
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81. This is incorrect.
Iraq is where the war on terra is, not London.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 03:18 PM
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82. Why this isn't a Psy Ops Video.
"But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers."

Most people really want to believe that Amerika has no fault in the attacks on it's soil and around the world. Anytime the reasons are brought up, they are shunned. There are actual reasons. The methods that are being used are not supported by me yet neither are the methods that Amerika employs against others. In my view this is not about freedom, democracy or any lofty concepts. It is about power and wealth: Capitalsm and Global Domination of Resources.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 07:55 PM
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90. This
"It is about power and wealth: Capitalism and Global Domination of Resources."

did not do well with the focus groups tested.

To the last sheep they preferred "they hate us for our freedoms"

and "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here"

this tested through the roof & they all Ba Ba, ba in unison.
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