AP Poll: Bush's Numbers at All Time Low

[louis c]

President Bush's approval for handling of Iraq War is 38% (All time low)

A majority of Americans now believe President Bush is not honest.

Bush's overall job approval rating is at 42%, with 55% disapproving.


I guess those of us at DU were ahead of the curve.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050805/D8BPJK0O1.html

[JuniorPlankton]

1. Still, who are these 38% approving?????????

Yes, I know, I know, brain-dead fundies will support him no matter what...

:grr:

[ozymandius]

5. Those approving are easy to spot.

They're the ones with bleeding and scabby knuckes from dragging the ground.

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. Sadly, it's not just brain-dead fundies

Way too many people are enamored of the position rather than the person filling it. You would be surprised how many people are prepared to march lock step behind a president, any president, simply because he is the president. I would never have believed it but I know quite a few people who supported Clinton AND Bush through their scandals because, well, you know, he's the president.

We're a society that has been enculturated into respect for authoritary. Our patriarchal pattern has existed for so long it's practically genetic.

[yorkiemommie1]

22. i know several people like that

would go along w/ whatever he says/ decrees.

[xxqqqzme]

118. so do I....my mother, father,

sisters, brother - all of them in love w/ the lying murderer.

[yorkiemommie1]

169. it's hard to deal with, isn't it?

i find myself distancing myself because i feel that people who still support * are just morally lacking. yes, even my husb.

they're good people, but how 'good' can they be if they see the facts about this lying murdering cabal and still vote for them?

we have three years to hone our message so that we can reach some of these folks.

[0007]

172. Here hope, from 63,000 voters

Do you support President Bush's handling of Iraq? * 62308 responses


Yes
15%

No
83%

Not sure
2%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8831440

[sushi]

186. I'm glad

you're different!:)

[PATRICK]

27. If that is the case the

sense of proportion is working enough to set that support aside, mainly for direct betrayal of such a lordly trust. Add in ignorance, fanaticism, investment in the money or issue perks of their main guy, cognitive dissonance, etc I'd say the American people coming around against the weight of media deception is better than their foolish automatic support when times are good but the leaders just as evil.

On the other hand the people against Bush can also be said to have a less than pure stand now because of continuing ignorance of how bad Bush really is, the fact that we are suffering and losing and the gross incompetence and lack of charisma of the leadership. The British on the other hand had to turn against a more popular, smart, saner and more advantageous national leadership.

I'd say the major failing marks go to those in most institutions at the top. From treason, high crimes to collaboration and lying. The people as a whole have not been brutalized into partnership with that Maybe with "success" in Iraq they could well have been but the strain of the mirage now is much too great.

Nothing, no leader or institution can take away from the moral victory of the common people, groups like DU leading the cognitive way, against the evils of our time.

[SemperEadem]

32. you're so right...

and what makes it even sadder is that those very same people were probably alive when Nixon dragged the office through offal and they should know better.

I'd venture to say that those folks wouldn't accept the truth if it snatched back their heads and s#!t down their throats. They would implode if they had to process the truth and think for themselves.

[yorkiemommie1]

152. mu husb STILL supports Nixon !!!!!!!!

he's not a fundie; he's pro-choice, firmly believes in evolution, but will march to whatever tune the GOP plays.

he sticks up for Bush in places where people are openly anti-Bush, like open mics where people perform really great anti-* spoken word pieces. it's like he feels he has to be loyal to the creep.

( he only goes because our daughter performs too - she is extremely ANTI-* She and her guitarist wear their black " I did not vote 4 Bush" wristbands even when, especially when, they perform. )

[TahitiNut]

163. Ask him if he'd be as loyal to you if you 'wronged' him.

Paint a picture. Watch him squirm. :evilgrin:

[katinmn]

42. It's those who benefit from the tax cuts and the wannabbes

They see themselves as moving into the circle of power someday.

It's just greed.

[PurpleChez]

173. I hadn't quite made that connection

As a leftist in the South I am always amused by the yokels and bumpkins with their "The South Shall Rise Again!" silliness, and I ache to tell them that, if the South had won they would still be about two steps up from the bottom of the social stepladder. Mr. O'Hara certainly would not let you date Miss Scarlet, and there wouldn't be any invitations to barbecues at Twelve Oaks. But in their IMAGINATIONS they would all be kings, with at least one plantation apiece. Now that you've got me thinking about it, I suppose that some of the support for * comes from the same pathetic pack mentality that leads sports fans to refer to their favorite teams as "we" -- they've imagined an importance for themselves that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

[baron j]

198. You hit the nail on the head:

It's like thanksgiving, and they are teens still sitting at the kid's table, likely a card table, believing they'll get to the adult table. I'm in my 30's now, and still have yet to sit at the adult table! Repugs do the same with their loyals, though they are hardly "adult" or "mature".

[Loge23]

93. American leadership, circa 2005

I agree with the Pacifist Patriot in his/her view that our society tends to prefer followship rather than leadership. How else could any thinking individual regard the Chimp as "likable and a strong leader".
The Chimp, arguably, isn't even in charge of the regime - that dubious distinction would go to "Mad Dog" Cheney or a committee including Mad Dog, Rove(r), and Rumsfeld. But, in yet another sign that the world as we know it is ending, some 2/3 of Americans think of the Chimp as a leader.
This reminds me of an old twist on a ancient Sun Tzu passage:
To win a battle, it is better to have an army of asses led by a lion, than it is to have an army of lions led by an ass.
America in 2005 - a nation of lions (on Prozac) led by an ass.

[Pacifist Patriot]

96. I'm a her.

And you're right. That's what is so insidious about this followship tendency. The blindness enables puppet regimes to function quite nicely thank you. It doesn't matter who holds the title when virtually anyone can be pulling the strings.

[Loge23]

145. it's not just in politics

This followship theory is seen frequently in business today as well.
Take the recent business best sellers as evidence - unless you are unforunate enough to have to work in corporate America.
Leadership? Like Jack Welsh cheating on his wife? Who's on top in that relationship?
Or Ken Lay, or Ebbers? Or many still out there?
It's the way of the Follower these days.

[Pacifist Patriot]

159. politics, business....religion

[louis c]

208. Welcome to DU, newbie

glad you're aboard

[BlueCaliDem]

209. The "Followship" Mentality Starts in Kindergarten...

...when children are required by teachers to stand up; set hand to heart and chant the "Pledge of Allegiance" without being explained to that it's a PLEDGE or risk being punished by said teacher in ways that go beyond the classroom even!
I've explained to my own children that they have to learn to be more analytical; that it's okay to try to see both sides of any debate as best as possible before making a decision that benefits others, not only themselves, and that a pledge is given voluntarily, from the heart, and can't be forced upon anyone in an open, free, society--which America supposedly is.
I'll never forget that Pink Floyd video of their "The Wall" song when it came out; how the cartoon children in British school uniforms are ground up like hamburger all droning out the lyrics of the song.
It was back then (before I had children) I decided not to be a brainless follower (something I rarely was to begin with, and am known for being highly controversial even, among friends and family), and to raise my own children with their own minds.
Now I understand that this "followship" mentality among Repubs is something they've learned through school, and school sports (most jocks are Republican for some reason).

[ClintonTyree]

191. Correct......

I've been saying that for quite some time now. We're always going to have a segment of the population that thinks the President, ANY President, is 100% for America and would NEVER do anything that WASN'T is the best interests of our country. These people, however, never imagined in their wildest dreams an administration as lawless, reckless and dishonest as the bush administration. They were brought up to believe in America, 1st and foremost. That America can do NO WRONG, is ALWAYS RIGHT and that the rest of the world is ALWAYS WRONG!
America; Mom, Apple Pie, Hot Dogs, Jesus, Chevrolet. :eyes:

These are the people that live in a fantasy land of Norman Rockwell paintings, John Wayne movies and Pat Boone's saddle shoes. They'll never believe for one moment that OUR President could EVER do anything wrong. Clueless, utterly clueless human beings. ;(

[wabeewoman]

206. One of the reasons they don't want to

break their facade of how things are is then they might have to do something about it. This way they can pretend all is well, go about their merry way and not feel guilty for the crimes committed in their name. The other thing is there are really quite a few low IQ people in this country. When I first noticed it was when there was a show on asking 'the man on the street' quite simple questions and many people had no clue. Then I paid attention and noticed how many people just aren't too smart.

[ClintonTyree]

207. Think about the intelligence of the average person.........

and then think about the fact that HALF the people in this country are LESS intelligent than that! :banghead: You're correct, there are TOO MANY stupid people in this nation, but in their ignorance, they find bliss. Stupid and blissful, welcome to BushAmerika.

[HughBeaumont]

20. Most likely people who don't so much LIKE Bush . . .

as they simply HATE all Democrats.

I have yet to hear someone name one accomplishment of the Lancelot Link administration.

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. Probably quite true

Look what how many years of Rush spewing venom on the airwaves has done. Fortunately it's on the decline and I think people are getting tired of it, but it's been effective. Democrats were cast in the role of anti-American Satan-spawn and too many people were willing to get suckered into that.

[schrodingers_cat]

131. Lancelot Link......

Secret Chimp?!?

[HughBeaumont]

168. TELL me that doesn't look like Fool-in-a-Flightsuit himself!

Also, the "Secret Chimp" piece of my moniker for him certainly fits his whole administration - one big greasy scandal stuffed in layers of coverup and wrapped in media spin. And these dicks just get more brazen YEAR after YEAR.

[DrDan]

40. Sean InSanity was obviously responding to these poll numbers

the other day - he was going on and on about how he loves the president, he loves the vice president, he loves condi, he loves rummy, he loves the cabinet . . .

[JRob]

44. how do you bare to listen to him?

[kbm8795]

51. ...and don't tell me...

Sean claimed the poll has to be another liberal plot.

Buh-bye Sean. . .the clouds are gathering to sweep you unpatriotic, ill-mannered, phony moralists down the storm sewers. . .

[electropop]

69. Poll just came out today. nt

[carnie_sf]

101. Gee

maybe he should hook up with Gannon/Guckert

[SammyWinstonJack]

185. How he loves his tax cuts and his overpaid salary and his

fat bank account and his overpraised media status and on and on and on.

[JRob]

43. The brain-washed and complicit...

[katty]

112. Indeed! complicit and deluded beyond correction

[Bumblebee]

54. I am more concerned that many still find him "likable" -- how on earth?!!

[ClintonTyree]

197. Everyone goes for the likable loser........

he resembles one of the trained chimps you see on TV, riding a tricycle and wearing funny costumes. And he ALWAYS has a smile on his face, even in the most inappropriate situations! :)
Hey, you 'gotta love a guy like that, right! :shrug: I mean, so the guy has made a "few" mistakes along the way, but he's just so darned lovable and cuddly who could ever hold it against him! :puke:

ME, that's who! :grr: And millions more like me! Wolverines are quite cute as well, until they turn nasty, bare their teeth and rip your throat out.

Let's hope this trend continues, that people see through the "aw, shucks", bullshit and get to the REAL george bush, the giggling murder monkey that LOVES to see people die and suffer! That's the mark of a psychopath, and he fits it to a tee. :mad:

[electropop]

68. Other amazing numbers in that poll!

Look at the full results. 49% identified as Democratic or Democratic Leaning, compared with 39% for the Pukes. AND for those asked the party affiliation question after all the other questions, it goes to 50/37. In other words, the longer the more peopole are asked to think about him, the more they hate him.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr050805-1topline.pdf&id=2747

These graphs are also very sad for Bushitler:

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/client/act_dsp_pdf.cfm?name=mr050805-1charts.pdf&id=2747

He's gonna have a hard time drumming up support during the impachment hearings.

[Bumblebee]

73. wow -- missed that. Thanks!

GOP will of course say the poll is so bad because they oversampled Dems.

[noamnety]

95. look where those dems came from

The best represented demographic groups were:

married
protestant
southern
suburban

Doesn't that fit the profile of the republican base?

[Voltaire99]

86. Juan Cole had a nice demographic breakdown...

...of Bush support on his blog recently. It appeared in an entry discussing Frist and stem cell research, shouldn't be hard to find: www.juancole.com

[Greylyn58]

91. Unfortunately, these are probably the hard core

supporters of the Shrub and nothing he does will sway them. :crazy:

[Supersedeas]

107. that's the real questions--are 38% of American's that gullible?

[OKNancy]

2. I just have to post this snip from the article

But the portion of people who view his confidence as arrogance has increased from 49 percent in January to 56 percent now.

"This country is a monarchy," said Charles Nuutinen, a 62-year-old independent from Greenville, Wis. "He's turning this country into Saudi Arabia. He does what he wants. He doesn't care what the people want."

[SemperEadem]

35. Exactly

that's what I've been saying for a while now. What * has gotten away with only happens when the leader believes he/she has absolute authority, and usually that mindset points to a monarchy. Hell, England cut their king's head off for less!!! That crap doesn't stand/shouldn't stand in a democracy with a constitution that spells out in black and white what everyone's roll in government is.

Of course, the numbers didn't get where they are until after a huge majority of those now disapproving got severely screwed over by his policies. As long as his lies didn't touch or impact their lives, they were perfectly prepared to go the distance with him. They didn't get that that sledgehammer they handed the thugs to kill the Democratic gnats also took out some of them.

[Bumblebee]

56. That was my favorite too! I was going to post if if no one else did.

[Moderator]

3. louis c

Perhaps the headline has changed, but would you edit your
subject line to read:

Approval of Bush's Handling of Iraq Drops

[louis c]

155. Sorry

My headline was my own. The article indicated that all his numbers are record lows, and his 38% for Iraq is an all time low.

It is too late to edit, since I posted and went to work.

Wow, what a response.

[indepat]

4. That 42% approve holistically of what has gone done would seem sheer

madness or at least having been blinded by the right: hard core.

[livvy]

6. This part is important...trust.

"Bush's overall job approval was at 42 percent, with 55 percent disapproving. That's about where Bush's approval has been all summer but slightly lower than at the beginning of the year.

The portion of people who consider Bush honest has dropped slightly from January, when 53 percent described him that way while 45 percent did not. Now, people are just about evenly split on that issue - with 48 percent saying he's honest and 50 percent saying he's not.

The drop in the number of people who see Bush as honest was strongest among middle-aged Americans as well as suburban women, a key voting group in the 2004 election. A further erosion of trust could make it tougher for Bush to win support for his policies in Congress and internationally.

"The reason that trust is so important has to do with the long-standing belief that you could trust him, even if you don't always agree with him and don't understand what he's doing," said Bruce Buchanan, a political scientist at the University of Texas. "The honesty dip is partly caused by a loss of faith in his credibility on Iraq."

I really think this is a key issue. It's one that I keep repeating to people. Betrayal of trust. It applies to so many parts of this mis- administration, from SS issues to 9/11 to DSM to what is going on now in Iraq to the Clean Air initiatives. They have betrayed the trust of the American people and the people of the world over and over again. Trust is something that takes a long time for most people to regain, and for some it never happens once that trust is betrayed. I think this is a something that needs to be repeated over and over again until it becomes a label of sorts that is attached to the nitwit and his malicious troop.

[DemNoir]

10. Right, trust is key

Even his supporters know he is not very competent. The one thing that keeps him afloat is the "straight shooter, decent guy" veneer.

If that falls away, it is free-fall time. Good thing he has that flight suit.

[rodeodance]

but also more believe he is NOT honest. People ARE waking up.

[R Hickey]

19. I agree, Trust is the key.

"Don't Trust Bush" makes a nice slogan.

[livvy]

23. How about...

Can you trust this President?
or
Do you still trust this President?
or
Does this President deserve your trust?

on edit: added ideas

[R Hickey]

47. I was thinking to put the slogan on a magnetic yellow ribbin

"Don't" across the top of the ribbin, the words "Trust" and "Bush" overlapping below, with the 'U' in the intersection.

[electropop]

72. How about "Bush is a liar."

Fairly easy to interpret without excessive parsing. ;-)

[ray of light]

142. bush is done in/even if not impeached. we need to stick it to republicans

for the 06 election. THEY support their cheatin' trickster Bush-- AND they refused to stand up for YOU when TREASON was on the line. (When YOUR life was on the line because of their treason!)

[RickWn]

148. He is a lame duck

Such queries might be acceptable to stir the current debate about domestic and foreign policy, but they won't help us much in 2006, let alone 2008. But I sure admire your spirit.

I think we have to be "framing" (hate that term as much as "branding") the general thesis around the failures of Republican rule, not on what will be the generally acknowledged, by 2008, failure of leadership by a mediocre frontman of demonstrably bankrupt policy.

A classic turn-around on them:
Are you better off now, than you were eight years ago?

How about this one:
I don't need a housecall, I just need a doctor.

Or this:
A barefoot girl with cheek of tan
A senseless war they sent my man.

Or this:
Cop to it
We need cops

Or this:
If carpet bombing is the GOP way
Then I want berber in my family room.

Or this:
I pledged allegience to a flag
Not misguided foreign policy

Or this:
A change of breeze
Would surely please

Or this:
Welcome back
The Democrat

Or this:
Your right to vote
Removes a bible from your throat

Or this:
Your choice:
Another 250 billion?
Vote your conscience

Or this:
Give me death or liberty
Please don't give the GOP

Or this:
Tax and spend
Or tax and charge?

Or this:
My grandkids deserve better than
A maxed-out credit card.

Or this:
Support the troops
Draft Republicans

Well, you get the idea. The current president, for all his mediocrity as a leader, chief executive and commander-in-chief is lame as lame can be. It's the pukes behind him we must keep from office with our votes. Another eight years of this crap and we'll all be goose-stepping.

[damntexdem]

74. But Dubya won't be up for reelection (not that he was ever elected).

GOP majorities in Congress will be. Will Dubya drag them down? Or will they distance themselves from him and hang onto their death grip on the American jugular?

[inchhigh]

25. This just steams me

"A further erosion of trust could make it tougher for Bush to win support for his policies in Congress and internationally."

NO NO NO. This much erosion of trust should have already made it tougher for * to win support for his policies.

Further Erosion should make it DARN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

He's wrong. The people know it. The media should be standing up and cheering each time the Dems block one of his hair brained schemes.

The media should constantly remind us of how the Dems are popular and doing the people bidding, just like they constantly reminded us of how popular * once appeared to be.

He's a failure. The media should admit it and start educating us about the process of removing him.

[Lorien]

29. The problem is that his unpopularity isn't necessarily translating into

popularity for the Dems. Many Democrats aren't offering strong positions of opposition, so they aren't inspiring those who see America as being on the "wrong track".

[sushi]

187. What steams me

is that he smiles when he said "We are at war," as if he enjoys being at war.

[ClintonTyree]

199. You mean the "Liberal Media"?

strange, isn't it, that the ultra-left wing Liberal Media has been so silent, if not downright supportive, of bush's agenda? :shrug:
I have to admit, I'm having a hard time figuring out what our "Liberal Media" is up to. I'm SURE there's some master Liberal Media plan that's been in the works for years now just waiting to spring the trap on the poor, voiceless, persecuted Conservatives in our Country. Those diabolical Jewish media types have had this plan in the pipeline for years waiting for the uber patriotic Conservatives to make ONE mis-step, right? :eyes:
The Media has had countless opportunities to spring "the trap", I guess they must be waiting for something REALLY BIG so the Liberal coup will be complete! Ya' think? :shrug: I mean, it HAS TO BE! It's the damned Liberal Media for christsake!

[SoFlaJet]

28. 42% - dangerous number

last time it dipped that low was the August/September-when he was,guess ON VAY CAY in Tech-sh-uss and the next thing we know 3000 people were killed on 9/11

[lonestarnot]

31. Don't trust that bushitler!

[JerseygirlCT]

36. I agree with you

And not to drag old news into this, but that was why I think Kerry blew it completely when he continued to support the Iraq war instead of saying: I voted it because I trusted our commander in chief when he said it would be a last resort. Obviously, my trust was misplaced, and I would not make the same mistake again.

Right there, he would have set trust up as an issue and defined himself as trusting but intelligent and the other guy as untrustworthy. Instead, we got GOP fodder for their flip-flop campaign.

BTW, I was always a Kerry supporter, before anyone gets upset.

[YvonneCa]

52. This is from Truthout, about Kerry's decision and trust:...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml



Kerry's mistake was to trust this president.:patriot:

[JerseygirlCT]

67. I know it's blindingly obvious

and that we knew that seemingly before he did.

But it still rankles, I guess. I truly think big things would have turned on a different and more honest explanation.

[livvy]

110. Wow - interesting read.

I had not read that before. Had he only taken that course...perhaps...?? Of course, the legitimacy of the election is highly doubtful, but maybe it would have made a difference.
Thanks for the link. It was interesting to read, but it made me kind of sad, too. How different things could be, if Kerry was in office...
:cry:

[ClintonTyree]

200. That was ONE of his mistakes.........

there were several, including his failure to respond to the GOP smear campaign until it had already gained a foothold. Kerry could never relate to the "common" man, his long winded and flowery answers to simple questions confused many people. Of course, WE know what he meant, but Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack DIDN'T.
Dumbya, on the other hand, is a "plain speaking" (read; stupid) person who connects with Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack on a gut level. Even though that connection was predicated upon lies and dirty tricks , he came across as the most "honest" and "straight-forward" candidate. :eyes:
Kerry was a victim of his own intelligence, and the stupidity of the average Red-State American.

[livvy]

104. I think it would have been a good idea, too!n/t

[Catshrink]

7. Does he still claim to have a mandate?

[Pacifist Patriot]

8. Sure! Why not?

Since when did reality enter into his psyche?

[MetaTrope]

9. No, actually we're nutty extremists, remember?

Guess there are a lot more of those around now, though.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. The more the merrier!

[thecrow]

11. I see fewer "Bu$h/Cheney" bumper stickers these days

and I live in a suburb of Washington DC !

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. I've seen them on the decline in my red county, but I just

figured it was because of the lapse in time since the election. I'm afraid to get my hopes up that these idiots are actually changing their minds.

[damntexdem]

77. Naw, the stickers just wear off ...

from being rubbed against by the contents of the gun racks.

[Pacifist Patriot]

87. I thought they were rubbing off because of the

idiots having to lean up against them while they fill up their gas tanks every two days.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

16. Saw a great Bumper Sticker

"You voted for Bush?
How embarrassing!"

I don't know about you but when I see the "Moron '04" Bumper sticker I mouth out MORON so they can "Read My Lips (circa daddy Moron)" through the rear view mirror!

[yorkiemommie1]

24. love the bumpersticker

i don't do the 'moron' thing. i do make a face, though. has any of them ever reacted?

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

53. Yes!

At first they don't know why I'm saying that, then when I pass them up with Democratic related bumper stickers they get the idea! Right after the election their reaction was smug. Now I get the feeling most would like to peel that sticker off their car as fast as they can!

Some other great bumper stickers:

"Annoy a Conservative; Think for Yourself"
"I think, therefore I'm a DEMOCRAT"
"STILL not my President"
"MORAL VALUES? War
Greed
Corruption
Dishonesty
Intolerance
Fear Mongering"

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. LOL! Love it.

[Orion The Hunter]

48. RE: Right there with you in DC

And I am noting that many who did vote for Bush in the DC metropolitan area are now wringing their hands in dismay at what he has delivered to them.

[primavera]

89. What, there was someone in DC who voted for *?

Well, I suppose Cheney is probably now registered in the District, and he probably voted for the shrub. Other than that, I don't know anyone in DC who voted for der Fuehrer.

[Name removed]

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[salin]

18. define the latter, please

what would that look like?

Blumenthal's piece today in the Guardian describes the difference between the bush approach and London's approach in dealing with the bombings. It seems that we had more success disrupting terrorist cells in the early days of the Afghanistan war - when there was more multinational involvement - and much of it was (sorry CHeney) more "investigative" - but led to arrests throughout the world (taking leaders off the organizing terrorist beat) - there was initially some big disruption of funding avenues (til monied interests objected because they didn't want their tax sheltering ways to come into light via the types of investigations needed to track the shady terrorist funding networks (eg use of certain closed lips banking institutions in various countries oft also used for tax evasion)...

Or are you suggesting a position closer to Tancredo's?

[thebigidea]

21. i'd like to see you go and pursue them instead of Clinton

[Amonester]

17. Dupe (same article, different sources)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1678601&mesg_id=1678601

[lonestarnot]

30. No no no! Turdy Tree and a Turd, of that I am sure!

:thumbsdown:

[savemefromdumbya]

33. Bush will be awaiting another terror attack to boost his numbers

The London bombings ofcourse have helped to boost Tony Bliar's ratings. Maybe Bush's old pal Osama will come to the rescue?

[Robbins]

38. Bush

People are finally waking up on Bush. The economy Is terrible. Bolton
shows how arrogant he Is. People see what Is going on In Iraq,and
see how out of touch he Is to reality there. The Schiavo case,Delay,
and Rove have all hurt him. I just hope this convinces Democrats In
COngress to not go along with him.

[SemperEadem]

41. I wonder

if it's the bombing that helped Blair or was it the speed with which the British Government rounded up the perps that gave them that confidience?

[boddhi]

108. and did you hear the British reply?

It was so civilized, acknowledging the losses and the human side while simultaneously sounding professional and objective about catching the perpetrators.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

50. While I Agree Another Attack Is Coming...

I don't think the London attacks has helped Blair much. In fact, they've hurt him. They are fed up with a war that unlike the Americans, they never really supported to begin with.

Another 9/11 here, may backfire on Shrub. But given his poll numbers free falling, it's going to take something like a war.....with let's say hypothetically......Iran.....to give him any chance whatsoever of saving himself and distracting the American public and media.

I am concerned something big is coming, and we're all going to just have to really pray for the best in the coming weeks and months. It could get really really ugly.

[savemefromdumbya]

162. Bliar

I think it has helped him to get his legislation through!

[Bumblebee]

63. awaiting? He is actively creating or at least enabling one!

[yorkiemommie1]

153. then Cheney can have his nuclear war

n/t

[UTUSN]

37. Wha? Even after His Superb Physical? His Low Body Fat & Resting Heart Rate

[specimenfred1984]

39. Approval Ratings are Skewed To Begin With

because who else is president now? It's like asking "Do you approve of Oprah on the Oprah Show? A lot of people will aprrove because who the hell else is running the Oprah show?

And, propaganda is advanced, it takes at least 5 countering ideas to combat 1 propagandized idea as the propaganda seeminingly comes from a "credible" source to begin with. A hundred years of propaganda has allowed it to grow into a science where human responses are studied, measured, calculated and molded.

The WMD lies were the most advanced propaganda I've ever seen. Approval ratings are a close second in my mind.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

45. Similar subject lines

have been posted every few weeks about his job/war approval , and yet I don't think I'll EVER get tired of seeing them!

[maxrandb]

46. And Yet, He Get's Every Damn Thing He Wants??

:crazy:

[Gronk Groks]

49. Even with the Media in their pocket...

...they are losing support. Let us face it 32-35% are Hardcore Fundies whose fanaticism/support knows no bounds. This implies that Bush's approval rating, skewed though they might be, are at the bottom or close to it. The trouble is that Bushitler only hears the voices that his handlers want him to hear; i.e. the Fundies that support him.

Expect no change in course for the administration, reality doesn't get to "*" and he wouldn't pay attention to it if it did. We can only hope that the Democrats grow enough of a spine to hit back as hard as the reThugs are hitting us.

HIT BACK HARD AND OFTEN !!!!!

[boddhi]

109. and did you see the Faux headline on this news item?

Bush: Threats Won't Deter U.S. in Iraq

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164827,00.html

gag me with a ... never mind, I'm already losing my lunch - sorry if I made you lose yours

[Gronk Groks]

147. That's why we call it Faux News...

...it has no relation to reality.:crazy:

Besides it is easier to spell than Propaganda Central.

[otohara]

55. Still Viewed as "strong and likable leader"

There's nothing likeable about the arrogant ass

[KoKo]

58. Strong likeable leader who lies......okay....He's also killing alot of

people. Sheesh...:nuke:

[Bumblebee]

64. "Strong" is often a synonym for obstinate, so I'll let it pass

but what on earth is there to like? But then I have to remind myself that the same public taste has generated the garbage people watch, read, and eat

[Logician]

57. the challenge will be to translate his unpopularity to other Rethugs

In the end, Bush is out of office. We need to be working on approaches to smear other Rethugs with his arrogance and disregard for regular American and our values.

We need to look at votes on major bills before congress and create into releases or fliers to smear other candidates for siding with him.

Think : CAFTA, energy bill (which gives nice gifts to the large energy corporations and does not even address approaches to ending dependency on oil, etc.)

Remember-- Rethugs = Bush = Bad for America and America's Values

[boddhi]

113. but he'll still be out there

raising money, throwing stones.....

We need to equate shrub to the Repugs

Repugs lower taxes only for the wealthy - see shrub's tax plan
Repugs want to take away your financial future - see shrub's SS plan
Repugs are only interested in helping their wealthy friends - see shrub and Cheney and Halliburton
Repugs flip flop - see shrub on Rove (bad visual, I know) when he said he'd only fire if it was criminal
Repugs want to get into your personal business - see shrub and Schiavo
Repugs hide the truth - see shrub and Rove and Cheney and Scooter and Plame
Repugs get us into dumb wars - see shrub's Iraq
Repugs want to teach religion as science - see shrub on Intelligent Design

We need to make sure these equations don't go away to take the wind out of shrub's and the Repugs' sails

Don't forget, shrub is young and will be around for a LONG time...

[scbluevoter]

59. All this is great but. . .

come 2006 just see who these idiots vote for. If I recall correctly, he wasn't all the that popular in November '04. He's still president. All they'll do is start calling us commie pinkos again (which really works with young adults in the south for some reason) and they'll gain seats in the house and senate. . .AGAIN!!!

[stanwyck]

106. maybe not

the Pastor Project may really shake things up for the Republican Party. The pastors (evangelicals) want to make sure their evangelical conservatives fill the Republican slots for Congress and state offices. They want to crowd out more moderate Republicans...the John McCain, Chuck Hagel types. If they succeed (here in Georgia, they're pushing former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed for Lt. Governor)we should see even greater gains made by Democrats. The Republicans will truly become the American Taliban and concede the middle to the Democrats.

[Vogon_Glory]

60. Oh, Anticipation: How Low Will They Go?

Oh, the joy of anticipating just how much lower Generalissimo Gee Dubya's poll numbers can go...

FUN, FUN, FUN!:evilgrin:

Even better, Gee Dubya is not going to be a President the right wingie-dingies can disavow, either. This is a President and administration that they are chained to like an unwanted pet to a boat anchor.

I think that a humiliating defeat of the GOP is a good first step towards beginning to restore the USA to rights. The second would be the investigation and prosecution of Republican/"conservative" malefactors.

[Bumblebee]

66. The first poll that goes into the 30s for overall approval

and it's oh so close! will now be a sensation. Zogby should also ask the impeachment question again soon. It may resonate with the media more now. Hopefully.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

61. I heard Charlie Rangel on AAR this week saying Bush is very charming

I think he was phoning in to Randi Rhodes. I still can't figure out why anyone would say Bush is charming about anything.

Rangel did say that in person, Bush can seem very charming, but he also said that Bush will talk on and on in a friendly way "about absolutely nothing".

Bush, the charming idiot still doesn't seem to make sense to me. Everything I've seen of Bush indicates to me that he's an arrogant, domineering, prima donna who thinks he's actually entitled to respect without earning it.

[ninkasi]

75. I've never seen the charm, either

You and I are both at a loss to understand how anybody can see him as charming. You say "Bush, the charming idiot still doesn't seem to make sense to me. Everything I've seen of Bush indicates to me that he's an arrogant, domineering, prima donna who thinks he's actually entitled to respect without earning it."

That's the way it seems to me, too. Maybe some people can see it, all I see is the arrogance and sneering.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

98. ** Charming?

Nuh uh!!

Now Bill Clinton.... HE is charming.

[indie_voter]

92. Me neither

He is a narcissistic sociopath who tries to mimic normal human behavior.

There is a reason he has such inappropriate facial expressions during his speeches, it is because he has no clue what a normal person would be feeling and is winging it.

[Catfight]

105. Aint, I agree with your assessment of Bush, how can people allow

themselves to be charmed by a murderer? He just isn't cute and funny to me, he's suppose to be in a serious position doing serious work, but not these days, now it's all about the dollar.

[ninkasi]

120. How true

Besides, with Americans working more hours for less pay, and some holding down 2 or 3 temp jobs because the good ones with benefits aren't there any more, it's pretty obvious * spends a lot more time on vacation than any of the rest of us.

When he does "work", he screws up everything he touches. I think he should be impeached, then sent to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes. And Cheney, Wolfie, Condi, Rummy, Rove,and the rest of them can go, too.

[glitch]

151. Some people said Ted Bundy was charming too.

It's hard to imagine, but some people don't seem to be able to discern the malevolence under the superficial so-called "charm".

Somebody should study it.

[athenap]

158. Ted Bundy was charming, too

...but he only killed 16 people. * has killed over 100 times that.

[AllyCat]

180. 'Tis the way a sociopath works

But remember, Rangel said he is charming, but absolutely NOTHING is coming out of his mouth that means anything. As soon as he mentions anything with weight, he looks like a liar.

What we see of the "real" Shrub on TV is what the media shows us and apparently thinks is good viewing of him. Sounds like he is a different guy outside of the camera and talking about golf.

[dchill]

196. Not to me.

[iamjoy]

62. Too Bad These Weren't The Numbers November 2

I mean, he doesn't care if his numbers are low now, he's already in office.

[RovianNightmare]

65. A funny juxtaposition!

This thread is currently right below 'US job growth at a 5-month high."

Poor george . . . he can't help it.

[goodboy]

70. I think they're in a free-fall, and STILL have not bottomed out! (nt)

[onehandle]

71. Most unpopular President since they started polling in 1948.

Not that the dickless media would admit it.

[cliss]

76. Well, all I can say is he's got a ways go to.

There are other presidents who have had lower ratings. I think the lowest I've seen was 19%. Maybe Hoover? Does anyone know?

Anyway, I think it was even a war-time president.

So Bush has a ways to go yet. But at least the slide is moving in the right direction: down.

[onehandle]

79. Nixon went down to 24%.

However, Bush has the worst average and that's the measurement to judge by.

And keep in mind this is even with his artificial post-9/11 high.

[BlueManDude]

81. He's never been popular

Why the Dems have treated like he was is an enduring mystery.

[Blue Belle]

78. The poll on Excite this morning (yes, Excite.com is still around)...

http://poll.excite.com/poll/home.jsp?cat_id=1

Had 46% strongly disapproving of the President. It may seem a little low, but I feel it's high for this site (whose members lean Republican) considering it's broken into 6 catagories: 26% Strongly Approves; 16% Somewhat Approve; 5% Somewhat Disapprove; 46% Strongly Disapprove; 4% have mixed feelings; and 0% are unsure. So for a poll that's designed to scew the results, I think it's speaking volumes today.

[AllyCat]

181. Excite.com: a group my antispyware won't let me view anymore

They load so much crapola on your PC that I don't even use my mail account there anymore. RW heaven they are...their forums related to the polls are a lot like Freeperland.

[UrbScotty]

80. But at least Bush hasn't lied about cheating on his wife!

:eyes:

[Peace Patriot]

82. Look at the screwy way this news article about the poll is written:

(down in the article)

"Almost two-thirds in the poll described Bush as strong and likable.

"'He's a man of character," said Cheryl Cheyney, a school bus driver from Cumming, Ga., and a Republican. 'He's very honest in the things he says. I agree with his belief system, the way he believes in God and is not afraid to show it. That's very important to me.'

"But the portion of people who view his confidence as arrogance has increased from 49 percent in January to 56 percent now.

"'This country is a monarchy,' said Charles Nuutinen, a 62-year-old independent from Greenville, Wis. 'He's turning this country into Saudi Arabia. He does what he wants. He doesn't care what the people want.'

"Six in 10 said they think the country is headed down the wrong track, despite some encouraging economic news in recent weeks."

---------

...now, read that through again. 2/3rds "strong and likable". Big prominent first quote saying he's strong and likable and believes in God. BUT...

but, but, but...

...FIFTY-SIXTY PERCENT think his "confidence" is "ARROGANCE." 56%! And who gets first billing? The school bus driver who talks about God!

...and...AND... SIXTY PERCENT think the country is headed down the toilet! 60%!!!

Boy, that's some editing job!

[deadparrot]

83. I wonder what his numbers are going to look like after five weeks

in Crawford. :eyes:

[ihelpu2see]

84. How Low Can You Go??? How Low Can You Go???

no, seriously how low can he go?? and when do we feel we have enough to impeach him!!!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

154. Bush doing the Limbo Dance in the polls

[Joey Liberal]

85. Bush is scum n.t

[shanti]

88. ruh roh!

time for some terror, kiddies! :hide:

[Ernesto]

90. "I guess those of us at DU were ahead of the curve."

We always have been, maybe by a week or maybe by years (Plamegate).
Since early in 2001 DU has lead the way to the truth IMHO.

[kbm8795]

94. Are people finally starting to realize

that he is only the President of the American Taliban?

[mconvente]

97. The problem is...

Among all adults, *'s numbers are horrible - but under registered voters, they are about equal on everything except general approval. We need to keep the GOTV campaign strong.

[Bo]

99. Somebody tell the Xtians its a lil to late for remorse

Who ever voted for chimp should burn in hell

[antonialee839]

100. "Fewer people think Bush is honest". It should read

More people think Bush is a liar.

[0007]

102. Look at these numbers, fresh from the right wing whore network

MSNBC - Now tell me that AP poll is on the square. I forgot to put in the fudge factor.

Do you support President Bush's handling of Iraq? * 49282 responses


Yes
15%

No
83%

Not sure
2%

[depakid]

103. He could be at 25% and it wouldn't matter

because practiclly speaking, there's no opposition party.

And that's the way it's going to stay until the Dems get serious about reigning in )or getting rid of) their DINO's.

[Loge23]

111. Dems part of the problem

The ideal solution is another party (or partys).
The two party system in this country is decrepit and either party can easily hold the blame for our current political mess.
If there is a free future for the U.S., I believe it will include an alternative(s) to the current system. This new party (or partys) will be successful in tapping into the "government by and for the people" thing that we threw out long ago.

[90-percent]

115. Likable?

I think Ted Bundy, William H. Gacey and Jeffrey Dahlmer were alot more likeable than Bushie-poo!

He gloats because he's a better mass murderer than those three put together.

-85%

[shantipriya]

117. likeable

who are these idiots and morons who consider Shrub to be strong and likeable?I am ashamed to be living in the same country as these pathetic creatures.

[Iowa]

129. Agreed.

The DINOs are responsible for propping up a system that allows the republicans to thrive and commit their dastardly deeds. They create the illusion that the people have a "choice". They're enablers.

I've struggled with this one and have concluded that (for me) it's best to try to purge the party of these phonies, even if it creates some devastating republican gains in the short term. Many will disagree, but I have ceased to buy into the idea that a DLC dem is better than a neocon. Short-term, I would have to agree with that line of thinking. But I have given up on the short term and concluded that it's going to take years to clean up the mess we're in - perhaps more years than I have left - and if we are to have any hope of a decent future, we must jettison DLC type sell-outs like Vilsack, Bayh, Biden, Lieberman, HRC, etc. But that's just me.

[depakid]

133. There has to be some accountability

or these types will keep undercutting the party on legislation and the public perception that "the Dems stand for nothing" is never going to change.

In the long term thinking- finding a way to purge these folks (even at the expense of putting a Republican in) is without question in both the party's and the people's best interests. Whether it takes a strong primary opponent, running a Green- or even in my case, voting Republican for the first time in my life- that's what needs to happen to my Congressman, David Wu.

No two ways about it- whatever it takes, the man has to go (and he's not even the worst of the enablers- although with his Medicare and bankruptcy votes, he ranks right up there).

[Iowa]

146. Yep...

If there is no price to pay for selling out, the bar will continue to get lower, and the corporatists will become even more entrenched over the long term. If that occurs, we eventually run the risk of there being nobody left who remembers what it was like to live in a free country, where almost anyone could live a decent middle class life, and where the common person had rights and laws that protected them from corporate excesses. If we let DLC types prop up the republicans too long, it may be too late to fix it. Unfortunately, I think things may need to become bad enough, soon enough, to shock some sense into all these clueless, apathetic voters who either vote against their own interests - or don't vote - before it's too late. It infuriates me to think that so much needless suffering must be endured before these morons get a clue, but their thickheaded, knuckle-dragging, idiocy has proven to be almost impenetrable, and all the good people who truly understand what's happening must suffer along with these idiots. Maybe enough will think like us to drive out the DINOs and show that line of thinking to be a miserable failure - and cause a real choice to emerge.

Anyway, I enjoy your posts. We think alike in many ways. :toast:

[leftofthedial]

114. any fellow "10 percenters" out there?

W-A-Y ahead of the curve.

amazing how pretty much everything we have said all along is being shown to be the truth.

[Megahurtz]

116. But all of the Fundies will love him

no matter what.:banghead:

[Bumblebee]

119. CNN -Opinion of president's honesty also sinks

shouldn't it be "also stinks"?

[Endangered Specie]

121. I bet he will be at

probably a 9/11 anniversery bost to 45-50 then back down by the end of the year.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

122. Let's show our support!

There is an article on MSN.com entitled "Deadly attacks increase pressure on Bush" and in that article there is a live vote asking if we support Bush's handling of the war. I'm not very good at this but I think this will take you directly to the live vote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8831440/

Let's all drop by and tell them how we think Resident Moron is doing!

[Bumblebee]

124. Welcome to DU

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

125. Thank You!

Can't think of better place to spend the next 4 agonizing years!

[Bumblebee]

128. 3 yrs and 5 months

which is still bad enough but not quite as bad :)

[yorkiemommie1]

164. we should get a countdown calendar going

kinda like our own Rapture Index.

3yrs and 5 months is a long sentence for us. But otoh, WE need to work on our party, our message, our issues. We can se the time as valuable prep time, write our ltte's, make sure we talk and call and do all we can to get OUR points out there!

[savemefromdumbya]

161. 83%

ho ho ho!

[Bullshot]

123. But he's still a "strong and likable" leader.

Do you remember any other president in which polls indicate whether we like him and would have a beer with him? I can't. You were asked about job performance and specific issues pertaining to his job performance.

It's more of this crap where the "librul media" is trying to put lipstick on a pig.

GUESS WHAT, LIBRUL MEDIA? PEOPLE AREN'T APPROVING OF HIS WORK AND THEY THINK HE'S BEEN LYING TO THEM! YOUR OWN NUMBERS SAY AS MUCH. SO DON'T GIVE ALL OF THOSE MEDIA FROM CLEAR CHANNEL, SINCLAIR, FOX, ET AL AN OPENING FOR THEM TO SPIN THE POLL IN BUSH'S FAVOR!

Oh, and by the way, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a stinkin' pig. You can't hide the ugliness.

[neuvocat]

126. When was anyone's number so low in office?

I'm not very trusting of poll numbers but I have to say this is rather interesting.

[0007]

130. Nixon was in the twenties before he exited

[Catchawave]

132. Interesting chart here:

http://uspolitics.about.com/library/bl_historical_approval.htm

Couldn't believe Carter was so low :(

[0007]

143. It was that blotched hostage situation in Iran that took Carter down

and the country never forgave him. The repukes crucified him.

[Imagevision]

127. Bush could care less about numbers - but losing in Iraq is another story!

[IbeaBonehead]

134. "Midwesterners and young women and men with a high school education.."

He has lost the dumb as dirt crowd - he's fuct now.

With all due apologies to Midwesterners like myself (ok I live in LA now but I was raised in the MW)

[Moderator]

135. Kick

[Ernesto]

136. Poll: Fewer Americans think Bush is honest

Now, people are just about evenly split - 48 percent saying he's honest and 50 percent saying he's not.
"He pushes and pushes and pushes until he gets his own way," said Diane Maley, a politically independent registered nurse from East Greenbush, N.Y. "I don't think he has the best interest of the country in mind."
http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/front/story/2611642p-11072111c.html

[charlyvi]

137. Yeah. NOW THAT THE DAMAGE IS DONE!!

Sorry for yelling. ::controls herself::

[phantom power]

138. When 50% voted for him it was a "mandate".

Now that 50% think he's dishonest, it's "evenly split".

[AX10]

140. Obviously you are not aware that In "RepubliStan", 50%=100%.

:sacasm;

[etherealtruth]

139. How can 48% think Chimpy is honest? n/t

[Democracy White]

141. That 48% still has the wool over their eyes n/t

[Proud Liberal Dem]

144. 2 "Elections" & 5 Years Later.......

People are just NOW waking up from their news media-induced comas and realizing that Bush is not trustworthy and noticing that he has the bulk of our armed forces tied down in a hostile part of the world that REALLY doesn't like us because of a "war" that we were lied into and in a country that we didn't HAVE to invade? The whole Iraq fiasco alone should've been enough to do him in in the 2004 election but nooooooooo! How Bush managed to hang on and win in 2004 is a complete mystery, especially since everything that has happened since has fizzled out or not gone anywhere. Hopefully, Iraq will be reason enough for Bush (or any future Presidents) not to launch any more "pre-emptive" wars. Maybe?

[Loge23]

150. 2 "elections", 5 years, Nixon, and the Chimp later

Forget about the pre-emptive wars. The big question for me is how any half-sane individual would ever vote for a Republican again.

[Jack Rabbit]

149. And you think the DSM is off the radar?

Everytime you see a story like this, you can hear the DSM's blip.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

156. But amazingly, the GOP will win another amazing close election in 2008!

The news stories have probably already been written! Sorry Dems! Thanks for playing! Missed it by THAT much!

[mcscajun]

157. From another article about those poll numbers...

this bizarre quote:

"I think he tries to be likable and I think he's somewhat honest," said Cindy Bashura, a Democratic-leaning resident of Seymour, Conn.

:wtf:

Somewhat honest? Isn't honesty, like pregnancy, a Binary State?

And this bird is..."Democratic-leaning"?

Sheesh.

[JanusAscending]

170. I know this Gals family!!

Can you tell me where you found that quote?I grew up in Seymour, and one of her relatives used to be the "town shoemaker" Remember them? If you would kindly give me the link to this article, I'd appreciate it!! Thanks!!:hi: PS my Dad ran for state Rep. in Seymour about the time Adlai Stevenson was running against Ike. It's a republican town and Dad lost, but that's where I learned to campaign on a "shoestring", and fell in love with Politics! I was canvassing for Dad when I was 10 years old!!! Got to meet Tom Dodd, Prescott(evil) Bush, and the then, Governor Bowles.

[louis c]

174. The Link is on the Original Message

[mcscajun]

176. Here's the link to the AP story

I found it on my Earthlink start page, but got you the link to the NY Times' printing:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Bush-AP-Ipsos-Poll.html?

[louis c]

214. kick

[Carolab]

160. This is pissing me off here.

"The portion of people who consider Bush honest has dropped slightly from January, when 53 percent described him that way while 45 percent did not. Now, people are just about evenly split on that issue - with 48 percent saying he's honest and 50 percent saying he's not."

How can they say it "dropped slightly"? That's a FIVE PERCENT change!

[jurassicpork]

165. I am honestly at a loss...

...to understand why it isn't at 0%. I mean, are there really 100,000,000 Americans who are that stupid?

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[BreweryYardRat]

166. It's that 42% who are problematic for the rest of the country...

People who are fully prepared to believe the worst of Democrats, just because they've swallowed the Fox bullshit, or (like my mother) have a lot of progressive ideals, but are just plain STUPID.

[Skypilot 18]

167. poll numbers ?

Poll: Bush's Numbers at All Time Low
President Bush's approval for handling of Iraq War is 38% (All time low)

A majority of Americans now believe President Bush is not honest.

Bush's overall job approval rating is at 42%, with 55% disapproving.



Those are not poll numbers. Just logical conclusions. Still however, I am still waiting for the house of cards to make the big tumble

[wrlwnd]

171. Why does this even matter? n/t

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

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[buddha8]

177. losing the War

Having witnessed this before during the Vietnam years I would say without much hesitation that the American military is now clearly losing the military fight in Iraq. The insurgent guerillas are on the offensive just as American commanders in June and July said they were in their last throes and were being routed on the borderlands near Syria. This is typical of guerilla conflicts. There becomes a time when the demoralization sets in for the occupying force and only rhetoric and boast substitute for any real success. We are clearly spread out too thin and reservists are being asked to do frontline fighting. I am concerned that we may even see the wholesale routing of parts of the military and the cutting of supply lines. Most certainly this was the case in Vietnam. Camps were literally surrounded and beseiged. Marines would make thrusts out into the jungle only to find themselves under mortar attack back at their bases. I think at this point it looks like general confusion in strategy and lots of fear and that the actual guerilla phase of the conflict is being stepped up beyond the suicide bombing level. I would expect more engagements with reservists and open ambushes.

None of this is very good for oour guys and I fear that if they don't just get out of there the situation could now escalate and get alot worse. Or it could just drag on at this tempo endlessly. One thing is for sure. The ranks of the insurgents are not thinning they only seem to be emboldened.

The ultimate humiliation for the bush-monkey would be for him to lose militarily in Iraq. It would be too much for him to bear. They would go nuclear if such a prospect loomed large. Remember these are the same guys who hung out on the fringes of the Vietnam campaign arguing to nuke Hanoi. They were also the same fanatic element that argued for the bombing of Cuba during the Missile Crisis. This most certainly would have led to nuclear annihilation between the Soviets and the U.S. Now these wackos are actually in control. I would expect Cheney to attempt to justify a nuclear bombing of Iran within the year and to use Bolton in the U.N. to justify it. I think these guys have hardly even begun.

[Loge23]

178. radically true

As radical as the scenario in your post is, it is entirely plausible considering the desperate gang in control.
WW III? It could happen.

[sushi]

189. Saw that Coulter woman

on OReilly saying that the US is not losing in Irag, and also didn't lose in Vietnam, but left!

[Robeson]

190. Repukes are masters of historical revisionism....

...pretty soon, they'll be telling us there never really was an FDR.

[ignatius 2]

179. Does anybody really still think he even won the election w/o

cheating like a son-of-a-bitch? And what the hell is wrong with the dickheads who still approve of him? Are they into idiotic,murderous,psychopaths who lie like theres no tomorrow?

[CoolOnion]

182. His approval rating is still in double-digits?

Good grief--what'll it take for those 38% to wake up?

[YOY]

202. He's have to rape a poodle on live television

for it to go to single digits.

Even then, he would insinuate it was a "tar-wrist poodle". Some of the population would actually beleive it.

[Zorra]

183. Kick

[Callboy]

184. all these "fence voting" morons

are controlling the tides of humanity. Scary. I guess these village idiots who thought they were clever voting for dubbs are getting their just desserts.


FOLKS: You got snookered.

[Chicago Democrat]

188. Yay! good news! In 2006 let's take back Congress.

We need a 5 point plan us to take back CONGRESS!

[lovuian]

192. And yet the Republicans still do his bidding!!!

and they ignore the polls!!! Of course when they still election after election!!! the people are going to have to take care of this like the Ukranians did!!!

How long can this charade keep going on and on and on!!!OOO

[dissent1977]

193. Another way of reading this...

Only 42% of Americans are still insane.

[jurassicpork]

194. Check this out

This is going on in Bush's own hometown of Crawford:

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/31-40/31news02.htm

The Iconoclast, btw, is Bush's hometown nespaper. Good for them for reporting very extensively on this.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com

[volitionx]

195. Me No Likee Him...

Bush is a fucking fascist. Maybe people are starting to smell his reeking, odious filth. They're pissed off about the war, pissed off about jobs, the environment, education, the Social Security scam, etc.

Americans are for the most part STUPID AS SHIT, but even sheeple have limits.

My theory:

Everyone has a cumulative discomfort threshold, beyond which they will be spurred to action.

Until they reach that threshold, people will eat piles of shit and not complain. They won't even know they're eating it.

But when you hit close to home, when you make a person uncomfortable enough that their comfort zone is breached, that their threshold is crossed, they will change fast.

The worse things get, the more people will snap out of their cognitive-dissonance-induced dreamworlds and realize that this country is being "led" by a FUCKING MANIAC.

I mean seriously---this guy (Bush) wants NEW nuclear weapons? That ALONE shows that he's MAD.

America is being led by madmen into a future of hardship and suffering for the entire PLANET. No, I'm not exaggerating.

Oh...I forgot....Bush said that GOD sent him, and that he believes in "love" and a culture of "life", like, you know, killing 100,000 innocent Iraqis. Odd that Republicans (like my father) don't see this shit for what it is.

It's the year 2005, and our world is being led by pigfuckers like BUSH? Amazing. Can't people fucking EVOLVE? Americans are being played for FOOLS. Maybe we get the leaders we deserve, but then the innocent suffer along with the idiots.

Remember this: If Bush and his evil minions told the truth, all the time, they'd all be in prison. They have to lie to retain power. And the more lies they tell, the more complicated their job gets.

You'd think that Abu Ghraib alone would get them booted, but NOOOOOOOOOOO.

Nothing they do, SO FAR, has pissed people off enough that there's a mass revolt. But once enough people are pushed out of their comfort zones, there will be a CRITICAL MASS. And then the payback begins...

Here are some things that will ignite the CRITICAL MASS:

1. A draft.
2. Jeb Bush steals the presidency in 2008.
3. Roe V. Wade is overturned.
4. (Maybe) another attack in the U.S. (Followers will rally behind Bush, but the rest will realize that, oh golly, HE DIDN'T MAKE US SAFER.)

BUSH...IS...EVIL!

:mad:

:rant:

[panzerfaust]

201. Ahead of the Curve, Still behind the eight-ball

It touches my heart that there are still those who still believe that the popularity of *, or of his party, has any relationship as to who will be ruling the country.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
~ Uncle Joe Stalin

Two good sites to explore this are: Black Box, and Vote Fraud

Even the conservatives admit, or at least formerly admitted, this truth

Truly, the current junta will neither lose, nor be replaced. They cannot: for, if they did, many of them would go to prison, and if a little voter fraud can prevent that …

The coup was complete in 2004.

[jurassicpork]

203. If Bush bothered to look at unflattering numbers...

...maybe he wouldn't've had to file for bankruptcy with every company he'd ever headed up. He was like a scatalogical Midas: every business he ever touched he turned to shit.

JP
http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/

[cloud75]

204. this proves the election was rigged with those types of numbers

how does anyone win an election...it was just a few months ago.

[RogerARTcom]

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[indigonation]

210. Must be time for another major terrorist attack...

Watch for the signs.

Still, he could never get the ratings anywhere near the support he had on 9/12/01. Still, this is probably all part of some planned out Rovian scheme.

[nebula]

211. Here's a cause for celebration...

Bush approval rating on handling of Iraq...

...already well below 40% according to several major polls.

[nebula]

212. I predict a sub-40 per cent freefall in his poll numbers

as soon as price of regular gas hits $3 a gallon...which wont be long from now at this rate.

[nolabels]

213. At the rate the price is going up on gasoline..........

It should hit about $4.50 a gallon when chimpy terms out :woohoo: