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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:57 PM
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NYT: 9/11 Group Says White House Has Not Provided Files
WASHINGTON, Aug. 6 - The White House has failed to turn over any of the information requested by the 10 members of the disbanded Sept. 11 commission in their renewed, unofficial investigation into whether the government is doing enough to prevent terrorist attacks on American soil, commission members said.

Thomas H. Kean, the former Republican governor of New Jersey who led the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission, said he was surprised and disappointed that the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and several other executive branch agencies had failed to respond to requests made two months ago for updated information on the government's antiterrorism programs.

Mr. Kean said there had been no response of any sort to interview requests for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld; Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; Porter J. Goss, the C.I.A. director; Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, and Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff, among others.

A White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, would not answer directly when asked if the administration intended to respond to the project's requests for information before next month, when the group is scheduled to publish an updated report that assesses the progress of the government's counterterrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/politics/07panel.html

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jonworks Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:58 PM
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1. nothing to see here - WTF?
Of course not ....
nothing to see here ...
move along ...

found the WTF? bumperstickers at
http://www.starvingliberal.com
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:59 PM
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2. all you really need to do is interrogate Cheney anyway
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:59 PM
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3. The reason and the answer is simple
The Bush Crime Team doesn't believe they are accountable to or have to answer to anyone.

They really could care less about keeping us safe, because the more terrorism is a threat, the more they can play the terrorism trump card when the going gets rough for them.

With their attitude, they might as well be spitting on the graves of those who died on 9/11.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:42 PM
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9. I am getting so sick of this
They are public servants who are answerable to the American public. I do not understand how they are getting away with their lack of accountablity.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:59 PM
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12. A tiny point of light
Mike Ruppert says in his movie (later fleshed out in "Crossing the Rubicon") that when crooks play a rigged game, they can eventually be nailed, because they know the game is rigged and they're not trying very hard. Their arrogance becomes their undoing. My only hope is that we're seeing the beginning of that process.

But Kean should just shut up and slink away. He had no bite when the commission was in session, so what good is his bark now? That man knows no shame and is a disgrace. He has major interests in Saudi oil, for chrissake:

http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/

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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:59 PM
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16. I know exactly how you feel
I feel that sense of fustration and anger myself.

When George Bush told the Washington Post back in January that he had his "accountability moment" and that it was "called the 2004 election" I was so pissed.

He feels he had one moment to be accountable, and that was the election last year. He's not accountable any other time.

I say we take accountability and kick his ass out of office through impeachment in the House, and conviction in the Senate.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:16 PM
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4. Media Blaster time.....what do ya say?
This can NOT die out. I know everything can NOT die out, but I'll take this one on HARDER. This is also a job for the freeway bloggers too...definetely.

EVERYONE wants the 9/11 group to get what they asked for. EVERYONE that REALLY cares anyway.


9/11 Group to WH: HAND OVER THE FILES.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:19 PM
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5. I am again and again shocked and astounded
at the apparent stupid naivete displayed by official idiot after official idiot. Don't these paragons of intellectual diversity ever compare notes? Are they so damn fresh aff the turnip truck that they can't see the criminal corruption evinced by these conlpirators?
If these DAs are actually that unimaginably stupid, they themselves should be investigated for impersonating a human being. If they are anywhere near normal brain function, they should be charged with criminal conspiracy for being way too deep under the covers with the bushies.
If those hopelessly partisan turkeys are the best and brightest, the entire world is doomed.
Ok, Ok, I'll quit being so nice and measured! (But, DAMN!! What a boatload
of lockstep marching morans!)
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:32 PM
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7. LOL, well put. I guess
Kean may be in turbo-CYA mode, since people have been losing blinkers left _and_ right. He's putting a PR act, no more.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:29 PM
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6. Cover-up Kean is "surprised"?
I was not surprised when they kept asking softball questions, railroaded the 9-11 families and let Bush testify without oath, off the record, in a closed session, holding Cheney by the hand, and finally allowed their notebooks to be confiscated. Incensed, yes, but not surprised.

Now Kean is surprised. This is just too rich.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:37 PM
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8. Whats to hide???
something if no files!!!
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:46 PM
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10. Now he wants them?
Why didn't he ask for those files when the commission was working? I don't think he really wants to get them. And I think he knew all along he wasn't going to see them.

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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:56 PM
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11. Hey, disbanded 9/11 commission:
The "renewed" investigation shouldn't be on "whether the government is doing enough to prevent terrorist attacks on American soil". It should be on WTF really happened on 9/11!

Your report was a sham, a farce, a clumsy cover-up. It makes the Warren Commission look on the "up and up". Anyone who thinks differently, read Dr. Griffin's book and then PM me.

Every member of that Commission has sold his soul for political or monetary gain. They all know that they have been used as tools of the B*sh administration and their imperialistic ambitions.

It now appears (according to this report of a "renewed" investigation) that maybe, just maybe, some of them are having some second thoughts, or perhaps they are just trying to make it appear that they're actually doing something for their country besides selling it down the river.

Guess what, assholes? BushCo is done with you. You've done their dirty work and now you're dismissed. Buh-bye, Thomas Kean! Hope your money will keep you warm at night. Hmmm, maybe you should have had Bush and Cheney testify separately, and under oath. Just a thought. Too late now, I guess. Oh well, it's just a hundred thousand human lives, give or take.

Here's a little message for y'all: your only hope to prevent the next attack is to publically identify the people who did the last one so that they can be indicted, tried, convicted, and punished. But you already know that, don't you.

So grow some balls and start telling the truth. Maybe you'll go down in history as a courageous whistle-blower instead of just another greedy, cowardly BushCo dick-licker.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:02 PM
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13. The only second thoughts they're having
Is about 2006. They'll turn their disgrace into assets just in time for the elections.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:32 PM
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15. AND we are still waiting for Phase !! --but it seems few are interested.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 07:06 AM
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18. I'm about 1/2 way through the report so far
very slow reading(picked up other books, pregnancy, you know life and all). The almost immediate proclamations of "Nothing really new in this report" from the day it was published should have set off red flags-I find that there is a lot in this report that illustrates the complete negligence and mismanagement (Anything But Clinton) of the Bush administration.

The number of pages on each administration alone is telling
(from memory)
The Clinton section is 50 or so pages including datelines of what was going on and what was done. Criticism (to my reading) is included along with the testimonies of all the key players.

The Bush section is 30 pages or so and there is almost no first hand testimony about what was done. It reads more like something you or I could write in hindsight from newspaper clippings.


I need to get back to it but so far that has been my impression.

The 9/11 Commission was a farce though as it was supposed to be "nonpolitical" (can't have any of that in the middle of a political season now can we) but I read some editorializing and hint dropping throughout what I have read so far.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:29 PM
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14. so Kean is surprized??---now he knows what it is like being snubbed
by the WH.

.......Thomas H. Kean, the former Republican governor of New Jersey who led the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission, said he was surprised and disappointed that the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and several other executive branch agencies had failed to respond to requests made two months ago for updated information on the government's antiterrorism programs.
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Sunkiss BlueStar Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 12:58 AM
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17. Chimperor will slip away just like a banana pill
this is such BS, all * has to do from now on is throw the "National Security Purposes" fake ass phrase in our face then its over. All questions asked none answered. * arrogance and corrupted faith makes my blood boil.

:grr:
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:48 AM
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19. Do ya think Kean's latest CYA.... is due to rumors of Fitzgeralds probing
in areas other than Plame.. like 9/11? I read here that it is possible he's uncovering more than just what he initially set out to investigate...

Need to find the thread here about this...does anyone else remember this reference to Fitz and 9/11 probing within his current investigation?
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:28 AM
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20. Kick
Kick
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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21. Bush administration refuses to co-operate with 9/11 commission
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=132aa415556afd6f

Big News Network.com Sunday 7th August, 2005

A follow-up investigation by the Sept. 11 commission has been stood-up by the Bush administration, commissioners said.

The panel is taking an unofficial look at whether the government is doing enough to prevent future terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Thomas H. Kean, the chairman of the commission, said two-month-old requests for information are still unanswered, The New York Times reports.

"All we're trying to do is make the public safer," said Kean.

more...

And obviously President Bush doesn't care about that!!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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22. he`s on vacation
won`t be at the office till right around 9-11
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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23. I am soooooo tired of the
"whatcha gonna do about it" message that this administration sends out.
It is highly insulting.
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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24. When did we get to this stage?
You want info?

Tough.

We preach "transparency" to other countries. We are charcoal now. No info, ever. If something is released, it's shrouded so well, it's hard to take it as accurate.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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34. Sometime early in January
of 2000.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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25. these guys run from the truth like roaches from the light
bill moyers said something like that - just one of his many gems.
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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26. Bush figures he has the right not to incriminate himself
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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27. Oh! My DOG!
I am surprised! NOT!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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28. Now why in the world would Bush not answer???
Too busy having a vacation in Crawford!!! or that the commission is scrambling to cover its butt on stuff it didn't pursue because of the Fitzgerald case!!!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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29. W's secrecy in government
He doesn't want the lowly "people" to know what's going on.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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32. Exactly!
He's scared we might start asking questions.
All those uncomfortable questions, that need answers.
:grr::mad:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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30. It appears Cheney is probably the one blocking everything.
At least it seems he certainly deserves equally if not more credit for the whole 9-11 debacle.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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31. Kean apparently has his own questionable ties to the 9-11attacks.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 02:15 AM by shance
If I am indeed correct. Seems to me, Kean a while back received a small however significant amount of scrutiny as to his own connections to those involved in the attacks.

Seems rather interesting he would come out now asking for more information.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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33. RW logic: don't follow the money,
that way we won't find out who done it, and that's how we keep the public safer.

It's no longer "the buck stops here", it now is "the investigation stops here".
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:35 AM
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36. Kick!
:kick:
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:29 AM
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35. the 9/11 commission is a hoax
I don't buy their smoke and mirrors crap.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:36 AM
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37. since when is secrecy the norm?
Why no bellyaching about this BS?

This stuff really pisses me off.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:41 AM
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38. I bet Thomas H. Kean is indeed surprised. He knew what
junior was going to do and he knew that junior ordered his staff to dummy up along with the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA, the FBI and several other executive branch agencies. They all failed to respond to requests.

The 911 Commission was the biggest joke and insult to the 3000 Americans that lost their life in the World Trade Centers.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:46 PM
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42. maybe....but definitely one of the biggest insults to 9/11 victims
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:14 AM
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39. junior's middle finger appears one more time.
The letters requested interviews and updated information on the agencies' efforts to deal with terrorism, asking that all of the information be provided by Aug. 15. But Mr. Kean said Mr. Card and the others had failed to respond to the letters or even to acknowledge their receipt.

Mr. Kean released copies of letters to The New York Times. The letters are two pages long and ask for information "on steps taken to make the American people safer and more secure."

Letters also were sent to Homeland Security, the Justice Department, the Energy Department and the Treasury Department.

The letters requested interviews and updated information on the agencies' efforts to deal with terrorism, asking that all of the information be provided by Aug. 15. But Mr. Kean said Mr. Card and the others had failed to respond to the letters or even to acknowledge their receipt.

Mr. Kean released copies of letters to The New York Times. The letters are two pages long and ask for information "on steps taken to make the American people safer and more secure."

Letters also were sent to Homeland Security, the Justice Department, the Energy Department and the Treasury Department.

The letters requested interviews and updated information on the agencies' efforts to deal with terrorism, asking that all of the information be provided by Aug. 15. But Mr. Kean said Mr. Card and the others had failed to respond to the letters or even to acknowledge their receipt.

Mr. Kean released copies of letters to The New York Times. The letters are two pages long and ask for information "on steps taken to make the American people safer and more secure."

Letters also were sent to Homeland Security, the Justice Department, the Energy Department and the Treasury Department.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/politics/07panel.html?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:29 PM
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40. bttft
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 01:45 PM
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41. One simple question - WHY DIDN'T THEY ASK WHILE OFFICIAL?!
That commission did such a rush job to "ok" everything it was pitiful.

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