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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:43 PM
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Probe Poses Issue of What Rove Told Bush
Among the many questions surrounding the investigation into who in the Bush administration leaked the name of an undercover CIA officer is whether President Bush's top political adviser told his boss the truth about his connection to the case.

Two years ago, the White House denied that Karl Rove played any role, but revelations in the past month have shown that Rove spoke with two journalists about the operative, Valerie Plame. Whether Bush knew the truth while the White House was issuing its denials is not publicly known.

Presidential scholars say a White House's refusal to comment can suggest an administration in political trouble.

"When under fire they suddenly hide behind the shield of secrecy as though they have no control over the matter," said Mark J. Rozell, a public policy professor at George Mason University who has written five books on the presidency.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/08/11/national/w150212D11.DTL
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:49 PM
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1. "hide behind the shield of secrecy "---yup--that is what the WH does!!

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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:53 PM
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2. I think Bush was in on this from the beginning.
He was on the AF1 flight to Africa where the State INR memo was being passed around. I don't believe that they would have discussed Wilson and Plame on that flight without Bush being involved. Maybe it was his idea in the first place to use Plame to discredit Wilson... we don't know who originated the idea but it could very well have been him.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:02 PM
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5. maybe they did leave bush out of the loop?? I really do not know.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:46 PM
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22. If they lied to him, it is a crime
Either he knew (and I think he did) or he is gonna have to do without all of his trusted advisors, as they will be frogmarched!

I always thought one of Miller's sources was Bush. Sure, she may have met with Scooter, he of the nonspecific waiver/no personal waiver, but maybe all he did was dial a number and hand her the phone...?????
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:35 PM
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24. It wasn't about "discrediting Wilson,"
a phrase I have unfortunately heard even Wilson use. If anything, knowing the CIA sent him, and that his wife had connections, bolster's Wilson's credibility.

It was naked political revenge, an assassination attempt of the literal kind. They endangered her life, and that was the goal.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:54 PM
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3. This is an important point.
:kick:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:55 PM
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4. bush wouldn't miss an opportunity for Revenge-he revels in it
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:13 PM
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13. Revenge was part of his motive for invading Iraq --
'cause Saddam tried to kill his daddy. (before bushie could??)

He is a spoiled child -- and he has never grown out of this way of behaving in the world. He is a child emotionally in a man's body -- and perhaps the people who say he's a nice fellow see the child and they have never crossed him.

I don't think he has learned to handle dissent -- I believe that people around him have learned not to contradict him or disagree with him about anything.

Wasn't he part of the political dirty tricks crowd in previous elections?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:20 PM
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23. Absolutely, and revenge against Daddy, too
He was going to show the world just how butch he was, and he wanted to humiliate his overbearing asshole Dad by doing what Daddy wouldn't dare to do. When trying to understand the motivations of this little nobody, always think petty and immature.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:40 PM
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25. Think "Borderline Personality Disorder."
The technical name for the kind of sociopathology Bushitler apparently has.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:04 PM
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6. was would grand to get the top guy--but his group is tooo loyal to snitch.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:04 PM
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7. Bush is da Boss
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 06:11 PM by stepnw1f
So yes... he was about the 'Leaking of Plame'!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:06 PM
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8. good story -glad to see AP is keeping it alive. nominated.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:13 PM
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9. Yup... There Was a Lull
But now the story has come back to light... PLUS CINDY. Can you say WOW?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:40 PM
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10. Dimson and Karl were doing political assassinations for decades
together. I have no doubts he was in on the retribution plan. But, like his dad, he'll say he was "out of the loop". Bushes do that.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:48 PM
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11. Rove didn't have to tell Bush anything
It was Bush's idea to begin with. They cooked up the strategy on AF1 and the called Rove back in DC to get the smear campaign rolling.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:16 PM
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21. * would have try not to know--which is an indictment of his integrity too
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 07:59 PM
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12. This means there will be no punishment.
They will distract from actual action through detail management. Like everything else. Just note whether anything actually happens or not.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:22 PM
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14. Jeopardy
Karl Rove

Question

Who's the Prick in the Bush, or Biblically speaking, who's the thorn in the thistles?
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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15. Probe Accents Issue of What Rove Told Bush


Probe Accents Issue of What Rove Told Bush

WASHINGTON - Among the many questions surrounding the investigation into who in the Bush administration leaked the name of an undercover CIA officer is whether President Bush's top political adviser told his boss the truth about his connection to the case.


Two years ago, the White House denied that Karl Rove played any role, but revelations in the past month have shown that Rove spoke with two journalists about the operative, Valerie Plame. Whether Bush knew the truth while the White House was issuing its denials is not publicly known.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050812/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_investigation
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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16. Rated 5 stars!
NGU.


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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17. It may not be 'publically' known according to these guyts, but anyone
who has any doubts that bush** was in it right up to his eyeballs needs to be declared clinically braindead.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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18. Helen Thomas has posed this question over and over again
The President could get to the bottom of this, has he?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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19. They need to be impeached
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 08:12 AM by FreakinDJ
Stupid Freeper minons keep trying to insist she wasn't a covert operative. I tell the idiots you need to do some reading on the CIA's web site because there she is still listed as a "Covert CIA Operative"

STUPID FREEPERS
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:03 AM
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20. Do you have a link to the part of the CIA web site where she's
listed as such?

:kick::kick::kick:
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