NYT: General Disobeyed Orders to End Affair, Officials Say

[DeepModem Mom]

General Disobeyed Orders to End Affair, Officials Say
By DAVID S. CLOUD
Published: August 13, 2005


WASHINGTON, Aug. 12 - A four-star general relieved of his command this week for adultery was ordered last January to break off the affair but continued to have contact with the woman, two senior Army officials said on Friday.

A major reason the general, Kevin P. Byrnes, was dismissed as head of the Army Training and Doctrine Command was that the inspector general found that he had violated the direct order from the Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the case is still being adjudicated.

Army officials disclosed the details of the inspector general's inquiry to explain the unusual decision to relieve a four-star officer with a distinguished record.

The order to break off contact with the woman, whose identity has not been made public, came after the inspector general began an inquiry into an accusation that General Byrnes was involved in an adulterous affair, the officials said.

General Schoomaker told him to cease contacts with the woman until the inspector general completed the inquiry, the officials said. But the inspector general later found that General Byrnes continued to make telephone calls to her, although the officials would not say if the contacts went beyond calls....


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/politics/13general.html

[wli]

1. and they expect us to swallow these lies?

Yeah, right.

[Dogmudgeon]

8. It doesn't surprise me in the least

The top brass are running around like headless domestic fowl -- there is no effective leadership from Rumsfeld, whom they fear as a nutcase for commanding them to walk bare-ass naked into a massive clusterfuck, and now the rogue elements are having a political orgy-cum-revenge party.

General Byrnes ought to consider himself lucky that he's getting off with an adultery discharge. The next time a sane man occupies the White House, he can appeal the decision. There will be no appeal, however, for the victims of the machine.

If I was Osama right now, I'd be licking my blood-splattered chops and anticipating the second course. What have the "leaders" (so-called) of this country come to?

--p!

[FreedomAngel82]

37. I don't trust anything with them either

I wouldn't be surprised if he has something on them.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Why are they making these details public???

It is beginning to seem very much like they are trying very hard to discredit him...and now I am wondering why.
Makes me more likely to believe the alternate story about his demotion.

[tblue37]

27. Do you remember how they smeared Captain Yee,

the Muslim translator at Gitmo? They first accused him of being a spy, and when that nonsense fell apart, they nailed him for adultery. That is their fallback position when they want to get rid of someone who is inconvenient, an obstacle to their abuse of power.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. I think so too

It's very interesting. Have the press ever done that before?

[bemildred]

3. Right. Can't have any of those adulterous phone calls. nt

[DeepModem Mom]

25. That was a very curious detail. nt

[bemildred]

26. They are just grabbing at straws, anything they can get to justify this.

That is what all the extra babble is about. There is no way a 4-star gets told who he can and cannot talk to in the first place unless something is up, and they went out of their way to make an example of him when he was about to retire. Have you ever seen this government want to play up a bit of post-separation hanky-panky before?

[DeepModem Mom]

28. See post 27. nt

[bemildred]

30. Yeah, same thing. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I knew shoomaker was somehow involved

my god,

[TahitiNut]

11. He's fronting for Rumsfeld/Cheney ... it's political, not sexual.

Flag officers are just as randy (if not more) as any power-tripping politician. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. think Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia,

(I said the words) but the purges were well known, this is part of a purge, pure and simple

[flyarm]

17. he was retiring in 3 months..n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. You are missing the point

if he was retiring in three momths, why do this? His chances of getting a job OUTSIDE the military have been cut quite short, he will be persona non grata

this was political

[mom cat]

21. and a warning to others not backing the neo-con ajenda.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. I agree

I didn't know he was retiring. Why would he do that? It doesn't make any sense.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. It might have to do with Iran

[Maple]

5. How much

does the country have invested in the education, training and experience of a 4 star general?

The country is 'at war'....and they're worried about something like this??

Don't believe it...uh uh...nooop.

[BrklynLiberal]

6. . What are the odds that this General is going to be suicided soon?

Just occurred to me....

EDIT: they are going to say he could not take the shame of the public disclosure of his infidelity and demotion and decided to take his own life.
4 shots to the back of his own head with a rifle in a seedy motel room.

[wli]

9. my guesstimate is: high n/t

[Sperk]

7. suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

n/t

[Scout1071]

10. For some really odd reason, I think the unidentified woman may

actually be a man?

[shanti]

12. spin, spin, spin

the firing has nothing to do with sex.

[Robeson]

13. Its a good thing Eisenhower wasn't relieved of his command for having...

...an affair during WW II, or we all might be saluting the swastika today.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. One of the many threads on the speculation of the true reason for Byrne's

demotion, and now, his public humiliation...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=111&topic_id=44747&mesg_id=44747

[crikkett]

45. would Byrnes make a good Demopedia topic?

This is the 3rd thread referencing another thread...

[flyarm]

16. the general was separated last may!!!!!!!!!!!!

so is every separated person who begins seeing someone else an adulterer??

this is such a load of crap..the * bots seems to have stepped in horse manure! and the stink is repulsive..this is a no brainer for tin foil hat crap...who do they think we are all dumb shits?

besides there isn't a court in the country hardly that will even look at adultry anymore for anything!

what a load of poop!

[charlie]

18. They are

if the other is married. Not saying there isn't more to this than the official story, but officers can be held to a high standard of conduct that carries penalties if violated.

[HockeyMom]

24. You are right

He had a formal LEGAL Separation. The Adultery charge in the Military is stupid to begin with, but this is beyond belief.

Face it, there are ulterior motives here.

[fooj]

20. Sure. Bolton's first wife went into hiding because she feared him...

Sounds like an administration that would give a damn about a extra-marital affair. What a crock of shit!

Peace.

[Ilsa]

33. I didn't know that.

I guess I missed some good threads on DU about that. Do you have a link to articles or a thread on it?

[Doremus]

22. Gee, our intelligence certainly has improved.

Just 4 short years ago our intelligence agencies were unable to sniff out a world-changing terrorist plot underway on our own soil. Today they're so good they're branching out into spying on private relationships.

:sarcasm: :puke:

[0007]

23. What a bullshit article......

How fucking dumb does this administration think we are? Why didn't they relieve General Eisenhower of his command then?

[jaysunb]

29. The real reason ??????

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?

Reporter suggests Brynes discovered plan to turn nuke exercise into staged terror attack


Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | August 10 2005


The head of Fort Monroe's Training and Doctrine Command, four star general Kevin P. Byrnes, was fired Tuesday apparently for sexual misconduct according to official sources.

Other sources however have offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so.

According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict.

Indications are that, much like popular opinion amongst the general public, half the military oppose the neo-con's agenda and half support it.

Further revelations were imparted by journalist Leland Lehrman who appeared today on The Alex Jones Show.

Lehrman's army sources, including a former Captain in intelligence, became outraged when they learned that the official story behind 9/11 was impossible.

They told Lehrman that the imminent Northcom nuclear terror exercise based in Charleston, S.C, where a nuclear warhead is smuggled off a ship and detonated, was originally intended to 'go live' - as in the drill would be used as the cover for a real false flag staged attack.

This website has relentlessly discussed similar style drills which took place on the morning of 9/11 and on the morning of 7/7 in London.

"Speculation exists that he had potentially discovered the fact that it was gonna go live and that he was trying to put a stop to it or also speculation indicates that he may be part of a military coup designed to prevent the ridiculous idea of doing a nuclear war with Iran, " said Lehrman.

Lehrman said that other sources had told him all army leave had been cancelled from September 7th onwards, opening the possibility for war to be declared within that time frame.

Northcom officials also admitted to Lehrman that CNN had been using its situation room as a studio.

Earlier this week, Washington Post reported that the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

American Conservative Magazine recently reported that Dick Cheney had given orders to immediately invade Iran after the next terror attack in the US, even if there was no evidence Iran was involved.

Government and media mouthpieces have been fearmongering for weeks about how a nuclear attack within the US is imminent.

Now would be the most opportune time for the Globalists to stage a major attack, as it would head off any potential indictments against the Bush administration for their involvement in illegally outing CIA agent Valerie Plame.

While rumors circulating about indictments having already taken place against Bush and Cheney should rightly be treated very carefully, the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into the matter is something that's admitted and shouldn't be viewed as speculation.

_______________________________________________

[loudsue]

31. Even Seymore Hersh published information from intelligence sources

that the neocon republicans were going to nuke Iran this summer sometime, and that the plans were already made.

You can tell by all the talk on rightwing republican newscasts that they're vamping up the rhetoric against Iran...trying to tie Iran into everything that's going wrong in Iraq, the mideast, and everywhere.

The truth is, Iran is set to open an oil bourse (a stock market type thing) for trading oil in euros, rather than dollars, starting in March 2006. This will seriously affect the hegemony of the U.S. dollar, and could make Americans have to pay quite a bit more for oil, due to what it would do to our currency.

Neocon republicans are determined to nuke Iran.

There are a huge number of career military people that are, frankly, scared to death of the idiot neocon republicans in power, as well they should be. The neocons are trying to purge the CIA, FBI and Military of anyone who doesn't want global domination, regardless of the cost to the PEOPLE of America.

The republicans are, frankly, insane with power, and it has created a situation that is potentially devastating for the whole world. There are plenty of career military people who are horrified by what they see. General Byrnes is obviously one of them.

:kick::kick::kick:

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Oh yes

This is all in the PNAC plans. If they do everything in euro they'd get so much richer. It's so disgusting. All they care about is money. They don't care about anybody.

[mopinko]

43. .

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Of course!

So he probably had some way to stop them and they had to get rid of him so they can make war. Just like they got rid of Plame!

[Eloriel]

47. Here's a link for that

I think, anyway:

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1692645
Link: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/100805fourstargeneral.htm

[Solly Mack]

32. Officers screw around all the time and I have never seen one get into

into trouble for it...there was always something more to the story.




In over a decade, I can honestly say I know of many officers that have screwed around and that it was well known they were doing so...and not a single one ever got in trouble for adultery in and of itself...always, ALWAYS...it was an additional charge to something else going on...

[DeepModem Mom]

34. Self-kick -- Please see Greatest page, and GD for more on this story....

There is an effort underway, apparently, to find out what really went down here.

[Eloriel]

35. Here are some earlier threads

I haven't had a chance this evening to check up on the developments, but these are earlier links

Plans for August 17th -- Terrorist Drill -- Gen. Byrnes, Tell us More!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4320805

Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1692645
Link: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2005/100805fourstargeneral.htm

General Kevin Byrnes: Fired for arguing with the Rumsfeld neo-con clique
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4307795

Removed from Duty
(see post #10 and this link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4307593#4307648
and: General Kevin Byrnes: Fired for arguing with the Rumsfeld neo-con clique
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4307795

Myers: Possibility of third Iraq tours for active-duty troops 'always out there'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1690309
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=30855

[DeepModem Mom]

36. Thanks, Eloriel! nt

[Occulus]

44. I was reading this last night and

there was an extremely chillin set of speculations involving the terror drill = actual terror attack (and with the drills mysteriously mimicing the actual attacks) re 9/11, London, and one other recently that escapes my mind at the moment.

Isn't there a nuclear attack drill happening on the 17th, and isn't the guy the got canned the one in charge of the base hosting the terror drill?

More is going on here, and it's pretty easy to imagine something really bad happening, given recent history.

[many a good man]

46. "Sex" purge under way at State, too

WP: "At State, Some Employees Languish in Security Limbo"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=147109&mesg_id=147109

Seems 40 State Department officials have had their clearances revoked on similar dubious grounds.

Isn't it strange how the junta ignores sex abuse charges at the academies yet cracks down hard on others? What in the world is happening???

[halobeam]

48. thread deserves a kick

:kick: