Russian population may be halved within 70 years

[Nottingham]

http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2003/10/16/50546.html

Russian population may be halved within 70 years

The Russian population is dwindling by 0.7% every year. If this process continues then the population will be halved within the next 70 years. As a Rosbalt correspondent reports, these figures were made public at the international forum Quality of life: collaboration between science, power, business and community.

It was also mentioned that the health of the Russian population started deteriorating rapidly at the beginning of the 1990s and the death rate is now 50% higher than it was in the middle of the 1980s. About 7.7 million people have died prematurely from heart disease, strokes and other causes since the Soviet Union broke up. The birth rate has also halved.
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Well they aren't going to have to worry about overcrowding in Russia
Home of Chernobyl :bounce:

[TennesseeWalker]

1. "Heralding the extinction of an entire species?"

Scary statement.

[morebunk]

31. Most of those leaving are coming to the US...great opportunities for

syndicated crime organizations and weapons marketing.

[xJlM]

2. Chernobyl is actually in Belarus

The communists used to keep the population up by giving money to women for how many children they had. Of course, that ended sometime back in the eighties.

[Nottingham]

3. Oh Oops! I guess there is no old Age in Russia

Ya probably die in your 50's :bounce:

[TheLastMohican]

9. And one more thing: don't ever write something you don't know

True there is a desparity between men's and women's ages but it is common in any country. Women are destined to live longer. Men die at an earlier age mainly due to the fact that after their retirement they are no longer needed (depression) by anybody which brings their inevitable end quicker end plus men are not strong psychologically and sometimes die of stress common to women.

My grandma is 83 years old and she lived through famine and WWII and german occupation and went through a lot of stress. Is it considered to be an old age by american standards?
My grand grandma died in 1995 at the age of 97 years old and all her close kins lived over 100 years old.
My wife's grandma is currently at 79 and her granddad is 77.

I would research the subject before posting stuff like that.

Ignorance rules!!

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Why are you going on about the men/women difference?

No-one else mentioned it.
Stats from the CIA World Factbook 2003:
life expectancy from birth:
USA Male 74.37 Female 80.05 average 77.14 (48th in world ranking)
Russia Male 62.46 Female 73.11 average 67.66 (142nd in world ranking out of 225)

So 83 is above average in either country; it does seem that Russia has a significant life expectancy problem.

[TheLastMohican]

20. I would take anything coming from CIA with a kilo of salt

They are not like the brightest bulb on the tree these days. They failed too many times to consider any information they provide (especially an open one) seriously.

[Terran]

19. And is your family representative

of the entire population of Russia? Clearly not. Yes, ignorance does rule.

And by the way, it's rude to give orders to other people in an on-line forum. I would research that subject before posting stuff like that.

[TheLastMohican]

21. Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone

My family is not representative but neither are these figures of CIA which is known for their "true valor" in fighting the "evil empire". Remember that?

The way I see it, russian population is decreasing due to:
1. inadequate healthcare (which is used to be above average and free);
2. child death rate (reason: see #1)
3. Working conditions (capitalism at its worst scenario), people work in dangerous environments like mines for just enough to feed themselves (the average age of coal miner is 49 years old!)
4. I would put alcoholism as number 4 (which I am not sure if its true, since I've seen many 80 year old alcholics who drank as far as they can remember themselves)
5. Family planning centers (propagate early sex between teenagers, also propagate abortion, sterilization and contraception among women). I consider them the true evil in this country.
6. Unemployment
7.etc. etc. etc.
so many factors indeed all of them having a snowball scenario on people who used to live under a different political system and had to readjust to a new way of life. Some of them simply can't do it.

[Terran]

34. questions for you

Why would you think the CIA World Factbook is deliberately wrong about Russian demographics in 2003? Even if we were at each other's throats anymore circa 1980 (the Cold War's over, remember?), what would be the purpose of publishing such falsified information?


5. Family planning centers (propagate early sex between teenagers, also propagate abortion, sterilization and contraception among women). I consider them the true evil in this country.

Would you care to elaborate on why family planning is "evil"? And how family planning centers "propagate" sex between teenagers? I think it's likely the opposite is true. Unless you're Catholic, what could you possibly have against contraception? Don't you believe a woman at least that much of a right over what she does with her body?

Dirk

[jonoboy]

25. bring back the Reds

whatever you say about it..Communism saved the Soviet Union from destruction over the past 70 years or so.
No wonder so many Russinas want to see the Communist Party back in power.

[speckledgator]

26. Sadly it does....

Women used to die alot more frequently than men...and much earlier. Why? childbirth. Women die much less frequently of this these days...at least in developed countries. So you might check out some history before spoutin off!

[Lithos]

12. Not Belarus - The Ukraine

n/t

[JHB]

15. Not "The Ukraine" anymore...

...these days its just "Ukraine". The reasoning was that the "The" made it sound like a natural region (i.e., The Great Lakes, The Andes, The Philippine Archipelago, etc.) and not like a country (i.e., France, Great Britain, Russia, Argentina, China, etc.).

Of course, those of us in The United States of America and The Netherlands may think it was unneccesary :evilgrin:

[JHB]

14. Ukraine, not Belarus...

...though it is near the border between the two.

[InkAddict]

4. Technology marches on so there's no buns in the oven from

Internet sex and they're all too tired and have a headache from using the PC all night--broadband ligation? Could there also be something in the vodka?

[cliss]

5. I understand that pollution

is a tremendous problem in Russa. They have to deal with coal dust, chemicals and pesticides which are unregulated over there. People just die from too much exposure.

It's tragic.

[0007]

18. You mean its worse than our pollution?

eom

[Lexingtonian]

6. Interesting

It's sorry and abyssmal in Russia at the moment for so many people, and that is painful and unfortunate. But a 50% population decrease is not exactly extinction of a society or culture in Europe at present population sizes. It is probably desirable, really, in the long run.

The population trends in the U.S. are thought to model to a peaking at ~600 million around 2050-2060. Which is right when the country will be becoming 50+% non-white....

The real size limitation seems to be that subsocieties tend to grow and stabilize or contract into- or if they continue to grow, split into- units of about 15-20 million people. According to some anthropologists.

[TheLastMohican]

7. Home of Chernobyl is Ukraine last I checked

Besides the birth rate would be higher if not for those USAID sponsored family planning programs (which propagates not child care and child raising but abortion, sterilization and contraception). Unfortunately, Russia still have many women who will trust anything such family planning programs say. But there is already a resistance to these programs and it is growing.

[Bridget Burke]

13. USAID?

Sponsored by the same government that has withdrawn funding from any woman's health service that even mentions abortion?

Please, supply more information!

[TheLastMohican]

22. I wish I could

Their official stance on the issue is published in a russian internet in russian and it is said that the program is sponsored by USAID. That leaves more questions, questions....

[Bridget Burke]

23. "Their" official stance?

Who are "they"?

I have friends who read Russian--my studies stopped too early. So, could we have a link to the "russian internet" site?

[TheLastMohican]

28. Here we go

www.adic.org.ua/org/ve-na-lu.htm
www.afew.org/russian/partners.php
http://isarrfe.trainet.org/zapiski/2001issue04/article16.shtml
http://isarrfe.trainet.org/materials/thoughts/

In the last article right at the bottom: this project is carried out thanks to financial help of USAID within the framework of the program of development of Far East.

[bemildred]

8. China and India are expected to have issues with

AIDS, and other things, too, and of course there is Africa;
but the people who predicted a population crisis 50 years ago
didn't know what they were talking about, did they?

[NickB79]

10. Russia is set to be one of the new hotspots of HIV in the next decade

Along with India and China, Russia is set to have several MILLION cases of HIV-positive carriers within the next decade. Two of the few industries doing well in Russia since the fall of the USSR has been the sex and drug trades. Widespread prostitution and intravenous drug use is set to devastate that country via HIV spread and destroy what little it has left of a health care system.

[veganwitch]

24. also

abortions as birth control has caused a lot of russian women to become infertile.

*side note* this is from an article in the post over the summer and mentioned merely to show that lack of healthy options for women looking for birth control. according to a woman interviewed it is less taboo to have an abortion then to be on the pill. also, the industrial strength condoms detract from their use in birth control and a barrier against stds.

[JHB]

16. A number of factors involved...

...a history of pollution and lack of workplace safety (thanks to industry and political power being pretty much in the same hands) and, lack of acess to medical care (the system under the Communists wasn't stellar, but it provided a modicum of universal basic care -- much of which has collapsed), and poverty.

A remider for those of us in market economies: the sins of the Soviet Union were those of the world's largest monopoly. We're not immune to it.

[GreenGreenLimaBean]

17. Freeing up space for our SUVs

Now why can't we de-populate?

[Freddie Stubbs]

29. People keep moving to the USA

No one want to move to Russia.

[scisyhp]

27. That's "free market forces" in action.

"The Market" does not need 150 million Russians, given the vast
expanse and the inhospitable climat of their land. Such exessive
population is way too expensive to maintain. Even 75 million is
probably far too many for "The Market". Letting the Russians to
breed so freely was an unforgivable distortion of the Market by
the evil communists. 40 to 50 million should be plenty enough to man
all the oilwells and pipelines. By the the most conservative
estimates over 10 million lives were prematurely terminated in the
process of the genocidal capitalism restoration. But hey, it's one
thing when Stalin does it, then everybody can be justifiably
outraged. But how can anybody complain against the holy Market.
Everybody knows it's never wrong.

[TheLastMohican]

30. That's exactly what I was going to say

The Holy Market does what Hitler could have had only in his wet dreams - that is extermination of slavs and jews for his Lebensraum in the East.
But I am not pessimistic about things. There are already organizations and politicians who promote having many kids in the family and encourage women to give birth to many children. Plus the economy is improving and more men and women are having enough money to sustain a family of 2-3 kids.

[David__77]

32. This is the triumph of free markets.

Decimation of nations and peoples.

[Nottingham]

33. I don't think a 50 %higher death rate is a good thing

What it reflects is Russia's attitude toward the people

Somebody better wake up to the fact that to be a great nation you have to have people. and if your people are dying then so is your nation

:bounce:

[maggrwaggr]

35. They all seem to be moving here, to Los Angeles

I hear Russian being spoken everywhere I go now.

Especially in certain parts near the beach. A ton of them in West Hollywood, too.