Police may face public inquiry over shooting of Brazilian

[mrfrapp]

Details from the post-mortem examination of the innocent Brazilian shot dead by police suggest Scotland Yard officers lied about the circumstances of the death.

Notes presented to the pathologist examining Jean Charles de Menezes, five days after he died, wrongly indicated the electrician was fleeing police shortly before he was shot.

The apparently misleading account could be highly damaging for Scotland Yard if, as claimed, it is proven to have been written by the Metropolitan Police. It would provide evidence the police continued to portray Mr de Menezes in a negative light and provided false information days after his innocence had been established.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article307088.ece

[wakeme2008]

1. Little problem here

the man may have been shot by the Army SAS troops. Just something I have heard.

[bettyellen]

2. standard operating prodecdure in northern ireland....

perhaps some londoners will believe it now that it's happened some place they care about.

[wakeme2008]

3. Could this ‘police officer’ be a soldier?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1715192,00.html

uly 31, 2005

SAS link

Could this ‘police officer’ be a soldier?
Michael Smith
BRITISH special forces soldiers took part in the operation that led to the shoot-to-kill death of an innocent Brazilian electrician with no connection to the London bombings, defence sources said last week.

Jean Charles de Menezes was tailed by a surveillance team on July 22 as he caught a bus to Stockwell Underground station in south London. He was shot eight times when he fled from his pursuers at the Tube station.

..cut...

The man, wearing civilian clothes with a blue cap marked “Police”, was carrying a specially modified Heckler & Koch G3K rifle with a shortened barrel and a butt from a PSG-1 sniper rifle fitted to it — a combination used by the SAS

..more at link

[NYC]

6. Military involvement.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1743478_2,00.html

There was another potential weakness, too. The operation involved two surveillance teams and a unit of armed police on standby. In the teams were both police officers and specialists on secondment from the military. Such a mix can lead to friction, say police sources.

“I can’t imagine what we would want to use the military for,” said an officer trained in surveillance. “Some of our officers have 15 years’ experience, whereas a military operator would have only a few.”

According to well-placed sources, tensions between the police and the Army were running so high that army bomb disposal experts could not even find out the type of explosives used in the July 7 and July 21 attacks. “{The Army} wanted basic details of the bombs that the terrorists had used,” one defence source said. “The Met told them ‘mind your own business’.”

That day, the trigger man, codenamed Tango Ten, was a soldier who had been on secondment to the police for about a year. That morning, according to his own testimony leaked last week, he began watching de Menezes’s block at about 6.30am.

Note: In this case trigger man means the one who triggered the following, not the one who pulled the trigger.

[jsamuel]

7. That would explain A LOT...

especially when you look at the rawstory.com article:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/WhitewashingProtection_of__0818.html

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Or the reports that emerged in Newsweek, the Washington Post, and the New York Times that at least "five of the alleged hijackers received training in the 1990s at secure US military installations", including Mohamed Atta who attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama.
---------<snip>

[lockdown]

4. "Executed: Anatomy of a police killing"

Lot of details in this account.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1743478_1,00.html

Also, according to The Observer, the police offered the family a princely £15,000 ($27,000).

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html

[mrfrapp]

8. George Galloway

It emerged last week that George Galloway’s political party, Respect, is jumping on the bandwagon by helping to galvanise demonstrations against police and government over the affair.

"Jumping on the bandwagon", dear oh dear. George Galloway is an MP for Bethnell Bow and Green, an area of London where the constituents are more likely to be victims of this sloppy "shoot to kill" policy. Why then does the Sunday Times seem to be suggesting that Galloway shouldn't be protesting this "affair"? Is he not supposed to act in his constituents best interests? I realise that him doing so is a dramatic depature from an MP's usual modus operandi but I think these comments are a little churlish.

Apart from the snide deviation that was an excellent, informative article. I'm encouraged that the media is running with this. There's clearly more to this story than we currently know.

[lockdown]

10. Yeah I noticed that

There's been a few stories going around the last 2 or 3 days attacking people involved in helping the de Menezes family campaign. Seems obvious there's been briefings against them and their awful activism, like how some have terrible links with groups like the Stop the War coalition (the horror). I've even heard it said that they are damaging hopes of justice, that moderate respected MPs would love to help but they couldn't possibly be associated with such whackos. So the smears and manipulations of the issue continue, yet we're supposed to just wait and trust in said MPs and officialdom and what the inquiry decides in a few years...

It is a good article though, well worth reading. I need to go through it again today, there are some very interesting details imho.

[bemildred]

5. Damn, I hope so. A bit of jail time for the perps would send a message.

If they had any integrity in the first place they would fess
up after this sort of debacle.
:puke:

[bettyellen]

9. .....

[TankLV]

11. What do they mean "may"?!!!!

WTF?

It should be "shall"!

And the apologists for the police here on DU still go about their spew.

Amazing.