Police who tailed shot Brazilian didn't think he was a threat: report

[sabra]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050820/ts_afp/britainattacksbrazil_050820235453;_ylt=Aojq7eXA5oZRFn_OEQjqsN.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

Police who tailed shot Brazilian didn't think he was a threat: report 2 hours, 15 minutes ago


LONDON (AFP) - Police who followed an innocent Brazilian shot dead on suspicion of being a suicide bomber reportedly did not believe he was an immediate threat.

Quoting senior police sources, it said three surveillance officers who followed Jean Charles de Menezes into a south London subway station where he died on July 22 did not feel he was armed or about to set off a bomb.

They wanted to detain the 27-year-old electrician, but were instructed to hand over the operation to a team of armed police who then shot him dead in a carriage full of horrified commuters, the Observer newspaper said.

"There is no way those three (surveillance) guys would have been on the train carriage with him (De Menezes) if they believed he was carrying a bomb," a police source was quoted as saying.

[Old and In the Way]

1. What did Jean Charles know?

This is getting very wierd. I saw an ITV report on this and he was not resisting arrest. There is something very fishy here and I think it is tied to the bombings in July.

[pretzel4gore]

2. blairbush needed the news item

bigtime....

[LisaL]

7. The ones who know something get "suicided", not murdered

in front of cameras and witnesses.
:eyes:

[jsamuel]

14. the "cameras" "weren't working that day"

why "suicide" him when you could cause even more "panic" by shooting a terrorist on a subway

[LisaL]

15. If the cameras weren't working, how come there are pictures

of him lying inside the train, shot dead? The pictures have come from somewhere. Terrorist? It's clear he wasn't.

[jsamuel]

16. Hey, I am just telling you what they have been telling us.

They have been telling us that the cameras in the station were not working that day. Not the camera on the train.

Your right, it is clear he wasn't a terrorist, but I am not sure they expected anyone to know that by now.

[KittyWampus]

3. those who smelled something rotten have been vindicated, IMO

and the police are resisting an investigation, No?

[Warren Stupidity]

4. What we have been saying here for quite some time

is that there were at least two teams involved. One team, the surveillance team, was doing a fairly standard police operation. The other team, who we don't know much about other than that they were trained under 'Operation Kratos' and were either a special weapons and tactics police team or a military (SAS) team, intercepted and executed the unfortunate de Menezes in the train. This second team was acting under orders and by policy. In no way shape or form was their action 'unintended', or 'out of control'. The victim, or if you find that prejudicial, the target, was executed without warning. I say executed because of course the Kratos tactics are to kill the victim by multiple shots to the head. In addition, the tactics mandate no warning. The policy remains in place. There was every intention that de Menezes was going to die.

What remains unanswered is why de Menezes? I personally subscribe to the 'wrong door not white enough' theory of why. However, given the massive amount of ongoing bullshit streaming from the UK authorities, other, darker, theories are certainly plausible.

[daleo]

6. Suppose they would not have mis-identified him.

Or in other words, suppose they had the person they thought they had. Why did they want to execute that person, if they knew he presented no immediate danger?

The only thing I can think of is "send a message".

On edit - I have a hunch Ian Blair will end up resigning. They will say he wants to spend time with his family or something like that.

[jsamuel]

12. Thank you, I will take a bow, but this man was killed by military I think.

[TahitiNut]

5. This, my friends, is how terrorists "win"

Overreaction, panic, anger, deadly force ... and "security" kills innocents.
Meanwhile, terrorists sit back and watch the chickens cannibalize each other.

[leesa]

8. He seems to have been executed. Wonder why?

[LisaL]

11. Cause they could?

[Judi Lynn]

9. Sure hope we will see the truth come out here. Thanks for the info. n/t

[go freedom]

10. Our own cops...

are having quaking orgasms over this power.

Imagine, being allowed to kill anybody you want to.

The peasants will kneel or die.

[Robeson]

13. This is getting uglier and uglier all the time.

[Moderator]

17. Kick

[daleo]

18. Police knew Brazilian was 'not bomb risk'

Police officers from the team involved in the fatal shooting of Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes did not believe he posed 'an immediate threat'.
...
The Observer now understands that seconds before the firearms team entered the tube train carriage, a member of the surveillance squad using the codename Hotel 3 moved to the doorway and shouted: 'He's in here.' De Menezes, in all likelihood alarmed by the activity, stood and moved towards the doorway. He was grabbed and pushed back to his seat. The first shots were then fired while Hotel 3 was holding him.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is to investigate if the firearms officers, with only seconds to decide whether to shoot, mistakenly interpreted de Menezes's movement as an aggressive act.

For the firearms officers involved in the death to avoid any legal action, they will have to state that they believed their lives and those of the passengers were in immediate danger. Such a view is unlikely to be supported by members of the surveillance unit.
...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1553528,00.html

[chookie]

19. Tragic

It could have been me -- because I would have run away -- in fear -- of people pursuing me, fearing they were nutters. And it seems as though this poor man wasn't even running (As I would have been doing). The more I hear about this case, the more it sucks. Seems like England is reacting Bush-like to the threat on its shores -- going after all the wrong people. What gives?

[LisaL]

22. He wasn't running as he never knew they were after him.

He apparently was completely clueless they were following him, up to the moment they killed him.

[Matilda]

20. The officer who shot him should be charged with murder.

The more we learn, the more it looks like straight out anger. No
justification whatever, by any stretch of the imagination.

[DELUSIONAL]

21. That cop should be gotten off the street -- he is as dangerous

as any criminal with a gun.

[LisaL]

23. Power. They knew they could kill him and so they did, IMO.

He had no back pack and no bulky jacket. They knew he wasn't carrying a bomb.

[Matilda]

24. This seems to be a tipping point.

If the Government and the police continue trying to cover this up
and don't call the shooter to account, Britons can kiss their
liberty goodbye.

And Australia should take note of this, before we go down the same
road.

[NYC]

25. I hope there is a thorough investigation,

and it is made public.

A good article from yesterday:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1743478_1,00.html

6 pages long.

[jsamuel]

26. Who killed him? Was it police or military?

They used a gun and silencer that are only used by SAS (military).

Who did it?