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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:47 AM
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U.S. probes killing of Iraqi by marines
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L21109562.htm

BAGHDAD, Aug 21 (Reuters) - The U.S. military said on Sunday it had opened a criminal investigation into the killing by U.S. Marines of a relative of Iraq's ambassador to the United Nations.

A statement from the military said the commanding general of the II Marine Expeditionary Force had referred the case of the death of Mohammed al-Sumaida'ie to the U.S. Naval Criminal Investigative Service for further investigation. snip

Mohammed al-Sumaida'ie, the son of ambassador Samir al- Sumaida'ie's first cousin, was shot dead near Haditha, western Iraq, as Marines were searching his family's home on June 25.

In July, ambassador Sumaida'ie, who has been Iraq's representative at the United Nations since last year, accused U.S. troops of killing his 21-year-old relative, an engineering student, "in cold blood" and demanded a full inquiry.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:26 AM
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1. Its only because he's related to somebody famous that he matters.
I was just watching this video from yesterday, where an Iraq gets out of his car with his hands up, and the helicopter blows him up anyway. "suspected" insurgent. Something tells me that there is some "shoot first and ask questions later" going on over there.
The video:
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/august/ogrish-dot-com-insurgent_car_taken_out_by_helicopter.wmv
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:29 AM
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2. Allow me to predict...
"A military investigation into allegations that members of the US Armed Forces shot and killed a realtive of the Iraqi representative to the UN found that there was insufficient evidence to proceed with criminal charges." Look for this headline soon, at a Fox News outlet near you.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:24 AM
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4. NO I think you're wrong
The results of the investigation will show that the Marines acted in self defense, like the Marine that killed the wounded, unarmed Iraqi in the Mosque or the Marine Lieutenant who killed two unarmed Iraqis that he felt were a threat to him.

Self defense seems to be the USMC's reply lately.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:30 AM
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5. HA! On FOX they'll just blatantly say, "the raghead had it coming." n/t
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:31 AM
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3. Some details of the killing
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 08:38 AM by evermind
are available at http://www.cpt.org/iraq/action_alerts/SumaidaieTestimony.htm in a report apparently prepared by the ambassador:


Military units made up of American Marines and Iraqi Army units were conducting house to house raids presumably looking for weapons and terrorists. At around ten o'clock in the morning, they knocked on the door of Abdul-Hadi Al-Sumaida'ie's house. It was already warm outside and the family (the mother and her four sons and three sisters) was assembled in the living room (referred to as the hall). The father Abdul-Hadi who is the local school headmaster, was at the school. Mohammed rushed to open the front door, and it was a group of American Marines. He greeted them pleasantly, happy to exercise some of his English. About ten marines accompanied by an interpreter – apparently Egyptian - trooped in. They asked Mohammed if there were any weapons in the house. Mohammed replied: Yes, only one rifle which belonged to the school in the old days. It has no live ammunition; only some blanks. He led some of the marines into his father's bedroom where the rifle was, while the others dispersed in the house and some went up to mount the flat roof . The rest of the family was kept in the hall.

A short time after going into the bedroom a thud was heard. Mohammed's younger sister asked: “What is that?” Her mother said “Something must have fallen down”. The mood of the family was generally relaxed and assured as they had nothing to hide and, as they thought, nothing to fear.

Ali, Mohammed's younger brother was dragged by the hair by a marine into the corridor leading to the bedroom and was beaten. The Marine was shouting at him in English, and Ali kept saying: “No English”, and then broke down crying and fell to the ground. The mother started sobbing.

While the family was waiting, there was a lot of toing and froing. At one stage a Marine went out and came back with a camera, and went into the bedroom.

After a while, the family was told to go out of the house and wait outside in the porch, which they did. More than one hour later, the soldiers left. As they were going they took the mother with them outside the house. She was barefoot. The interpreter asked her, in Arabic:

“Was that your son, in there?”

“Yes”, she said.

“They killed him!”

She cried in disbelieve “You mean he is dead?”

“Yes, he is dead”.

And turned to leave.

The mother let off a deafening cry of anguish, but the Marines were smiling at each other as they were leaving.

In the bedroom, Mohammed was found dead and laying in a clotted pool of his blood. A single bullet had penetrated his neck. A “Yashmagh” or Koffiyeh (the red and white Arab head-dress) had been taken off the coat hanger and dropped into the pool and a pair of dark gloves were taken from the cupboard and placed on his chest. They marines had taken the old rifle with them.

(...continues...)



(On edit: story also covered by BBC at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4643481.stm which quotes from and uses the same testimony quoted above.)
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:46 PM
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11. It certainly sounds like an execution
Especially the part about leaving gloves on his chest after killing him. It sounds like that is meant to be a message of some sort. The whole thing is turning into glorified gang warfare.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:22 AM
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6. it's about time
why did they wait 2 months?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 11:33 AM
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7. I imagine there are many cases like this. This one is probably
only investigated because of pressure from the ambassador. The poor murdered young man was related to someone important, and that is the only reason they will investigate this case, IMO.
This boils the blood.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:05 PM
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8. Sounds like he was executed
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 01:07 PM by nebula
for no apparent reason. :wtf:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:07 PM
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9. Seems a lot of that
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 04:09 PM by Karenina
going on lately. Must have been a "mistake."
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:36 PM
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10. Night of the Generals
Amid madness and sanctified organized killing, sometimes there are individuals who can distinguish between this and personal murder.

See the movie.
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