House GOP leaders backed Able Danger plan

[maxrandb]

On edit: Isn't UPI a little to the right of Faux?? Why would they put something out that appears damaging to the repukes and their boy?

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050822-011832-6872r

Isn't this interesting? Looks like the guy who's been breathlessly telling every reich-wing talking head (yes that means you Sean and Rush) that 9/11 was all Clinton's fault, and how we had Atta and the entire cell all ready to be taken down if it weren't for that "pesky" wall (all of which is pretty much proven false now), meeting with senior GOP legislatures BEFORE he decided to go public. Wonder why he felt that he needed to get approval from the Republicans before coming out? Wonder what they talked about? Wonder why they decided that partisanship trumps national security?

From the story:
"WASHINGTON -- House Republican leaders approved in advance plans by a military intelligence official to go public with details of a top-secret Pentagon project code-named Able Danger.

Army reserve Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer says the data-mining project identified Mohammed Atta and three other of the Sept. 11 hijackers as members of an al-Qaida cell more than a year before the attacks.

"I spoke personally to Denny Hastert and to Pete Hoekstra," Shaffer told United Press International. Rep. Hastert, R-Ill., is speaker of the House, and Rep. Hoekstra, R-Mich., is chairman of that chamber's intelligence committee.

Hastert spokesman Ron Bonjean told UPI in an e-mail message Sunday that he had no information about the meeting and had no comment to make. Hoekstra was said by staff to be out of the country."

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Now, hold onto your butts for this paragraph from the article:

Shaffer says that he himself did not remember the names of Atta and the others immediately after the Sept. 11 attack, until a colleague showed him one of the charts the team had produced in mid-2000. "I asked her what she was going to do," he recalled, "and she said 'I don't know.'" Shaffer said she later told him that she had gone with Weldon to the White House, where the congressman gave the chart to deputy national security advisor Steven Hadley.

The White House said it had no comment.

:wtf:

Steven Hadley has had info on Atta for this long and never made it public??? Don't think they're trying to cover something up, do you?

[jsamuel]

1. Something big is being hidden...

It is like a small group from inside the Republican party is begging for it to come out while the admin is trying to silence it.

[EVDebs]

24. Moon owns UPI...maybe losing BIG in the 2006 and (gasp!) 2008

elections is sinking in :

"...UPI, a 93-year-old agency, has been a financially troubled operation for the better part of the past three decades, with multiple ownership changes during the past 18 years. The serial owners have included Mexican publisher Mario Vazquez Rana and a U.S. partner, Texan Joe Russo, and Infotechnology Inc., which is owned by Earl W. Brian, a California venture capitalist. Most recently a group of Saudi Arabian industrialists presided over the company. When the sale to Moon was announced, veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas, UPI's most revered and honored employee, handed in her resignation rather than pick up her paycheck from Moon."

http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/upi-moon.shtml

Or maybe those former Saudi owners still have clout with Moon and the CIA afterall...?

You can't very well cover up the obvious: Bush & Co. have created another Islamic Republic in the Middle East, Iraq. The others already there are Saudi Arabia and Iran.

The sheer STUPIDITY of the Neocons only goes to validate Bush's legacy in history as Worst President, Ever.

[Mnemosyne]

32. Helen is pure class!

I've admired her since I was young, many moons ago. Have many reporters EVER had this kind of honor? I doubt if there are any at all with such integrity anymore.
She also calls * the worst president.

[Supersedeas]

36. More political dirty tricks and distractions -- getting something else off

the front page!!!

[atommom]

2. How many smoking guns do we have to find before we can take

these idiots out of office???

[rodeodance]

13. seems like a lot doesn't it!! it goes on and on and on.

[johnfunk]

19. Time to fire up the Jiffy Pop

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn:

[AlCzervik]

3. Has the Moonie owned UPI actually reported this yet?

If so then they are wandering off the farm.

[maxrandb]

4. Yes it is UPI

and my thoughts were, shit, "if UPI is reporting possibly damaging stuff, the repukes are in trouble".

Or it could just be a mole at UPI that took the story to the editor, and said, "here's a good story blaming Clinton", and the editor simply said "run with it"

I think it's more damaging to the repukes than it is to Dems. Now, no matter where this Schaeffer guy goes, all you need to say is; "the guy who met privately with Republican leaders before telling his story..."

[KittyWampus]

8. Maybe This Is Moon's Way Of Arm Twisting The BFEE.

[norml]

5. Recommended!

And no, I don't think UPI is to the right of Fox News.

At least it wasn't last time I looked.

Didn't UPI go out of business at one time?

[bribri16]

6. I thought the Pentagon denied this whole thing? n/t

[jsamuel]

7. hahaha, if you take the word of the Pentagon who is also being accused

of knowing about them.

The Able Danger story says that the military lawyers were the ones who stopped the spreading of the info about Atta to the FBI.

[rodeodance]

14. they did. there was an article just today on DU

[Lilith Velkor]

51. When the Pentagon denies it, it's confirmed. n/t

[progressoid]

9. Gee Wizz, a coverup? I don't believe it.

[autorank]

10. They're is a civil war going on among the 'elite'--you need a score card.

There will be lots more of this too. What about Hagel? What's that about. Or Mr. Freedomfries, R. NC who now says "out of Iraq." It's going to get 'curiouser and curiouser'

[me b zola]

52. Ah, reorganization of the "organization"

It seems that all of the "players" are positioning themselves & hedging their bets as to who is going down & who will come out of this mess with power.

Hagel, of ES&S fame, sells himself to be a clear thinking moderate. But Anyone who reads beyond the headlines knows who this POS is (I know that *you* know about Hagel :))

Dems should leave no room on the playing field for the winner of the neo-con lottery.

[whosinpower]

11. Something to make you say hmmmmmmm......

The Sibel Edmonds case - she named Hastert. I m trying to remember the story - I do know it had to do with money laundering, drugs and crime, and 911.

[jsamuel]

12. absolutely

one right around the other

something about Turkey too

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. A Turkish lobby group called ATC gave Hasteret $500,000

to change his vote on a bill that would basically denounce the Turkish government for their treatment of Armenians. Apparently, the group felt it would make the country look bad and might make others look harder into its affairs.

That is way oversimplified. Can anyone do better?

[rodeodance]

15. Hastert again. Seible mamed him also.

.......Army reserve Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer says the data-mining project identified Mohammed Atta and three other of the Sept. 11 hijackers as members of an al-Qaida cell more than a year before the attacks.

"I spoke personally to Denny Hastert and to Pete Hoekstra," Shaffer told United Press International. Rep. Hastert, R-Ill., is speaker of the House, and Rep. Hoekstra, R-Mich., is chairman of that chamber's intelligence committee.

[DeepModem Mom]

16. Lawyers for "Special Ops Command" ordered hands-off -- what's that?

From the article:

"The (Able Danger) team came up with information that these four bad guys were in the United States," he said, adding that for this reason, the intelligence was considered to be significant.

But Shaffer says lawyers from Special Operations Command would not allow the military to develop intelligence operations targeting them, because they were legally in the country.

[jsamuel]

17. PS (they weren't legally in the country)

[DeepModem Mom]

18. So that would make it even more of a mystery. What the heck...

went on here?

[bpilgrim]

20. we were FUNDING & TRAINING ISLAMO FASCIST, shhhhhhhhhhhh....

http://news.globalfreepress.com/trifecta

peace

[Dover]

21. something about all this stinks.........don't be too quick to accept

the story. Not sure where they are going with it.

The 9/11 Commission has overlooked many important pieces of this investigation and if this is an attempt at quick, relatively painless solutions to a million unanswered questions...don't buy it.

I have a feeling this won't lead to LIHOP or MIHOP, but rather...once again....to incompetence with perhaps one or two heads to roll this time. Surely they realize that a sacrificial pig and a believable scenario is in order if this story is ever going to die down.

[ooglymoogly]

35. perhaps denny is just that pig

already heavily implicated by edmonds testimony and probably considered a lost cause...and the msm is nowhere to be seen on this...off spinning their yarn

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. So, Dennis Hasteret knew about Atta a year before the attacks?

Why didn't he give him his approval to tell Clinton?

[EVDebs]

25. Lt Col Steve Butler of Monterey Defense Language School

has said that these hijackers were trained in the US :

Air Force officer disciplined for saying Bush allowed September 11 attacks - Hijacker attended US military school
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml

and

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/bushknew/milschool.html

[Stephanie]

26. It's a pre-emptive blow - something BAD is coming down on them

Is the whole thing about to blow?

Is this new witness just another Gannon? The thing about Rove is, he only has a few tricks, and he does them over and over and over. He plants false evidence, he plants false witnesses, he plants fake news stories and rumors. He's just a dirty, dirty trickster.

So Rove is pulling out the Clenis, there must be a REALLY big problem coming at them regarding 9/11. Is it coming out of Fitzgerald's investigation? Or what?

[DeepModem Mom]

27. Is it possible MIHOP or LIHOP was a Carter/hostage type thing --

engineered by rogue elements and meant to destroy Clinton when a major attack happened on his watch? Only somehow it didn't happen until many months later?

(This hat is usually not my style: :tinfoilhat:)

[Stephanie]

28. I don't think so - I think the law could be closing in on LIHOP tho

and so maybe they are hoping they can deflect with this pre-emptive accusation.

[magnetism]

43. new here

I keep seeing MIHOP and LIHOP. What do these stand for?

Just curious. Thanks.

[Sgent]

44. LIHOP/MIHOP

Let It Happen On Purpose
Made It Happen On Purpose

[magnetism]

46. Thank you much

:hi:

[maxrandb]

29. Never Thought About the Fitzgerald Angle

The judge in that case did say something about "serious national security issues" when he ordered Judy (Bolton's prison pen-pal) Miller into prison.

Just who the heck is she protecting.

I've got to polish up my tin-foil hat. I think this is going to be fun to watch.

Who was it that said; "May you live in interesting times"?

[Stephanie]

31. I think she is protecting Cheney.

They have already linked her with Libby. I bet it's Cheney. Can't you just see it?

[EVDebs]

41. Protecting Operation Mockingbird too.

If Judith Miller was working FOR the CIA domestically that is a crime. Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's media manipulation project melds conveniently with military PsyOps needs to do wartime propaganda. Problems start when things are done DOMESTICALLY.

They know we know now.

[AngryAmish]

37. May you live in interesting times?

old Chinese curse

[EVDebs]

40. Start with Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's media manipulation

project. Then work your way over to military PsyOps and the domestic media. Try CNN and PsyOps by counterpunch's Alexander Cockburn. Note that was taking place during the 2000 election ...

They got better at it with practice it seems.

[newscott]

30. You guys got this all wrong.

I've read some right wing comments on other boards and it appears that they are of the belief that this will all easily be laid at Clinton's feet. They think it might even help them in the upcoming cycles.

It's going to be interesting but my gut tells me that the party of the lowest common denominator (the right) will come through this smelling like a rose when all is said and done.

I hope it's not so.

[maxrandb]

33. I Disagree

I think Americans are suffering from "Blame Cenis Syndrome".

It's like the kid who keeps coming up with different reasons for not doing his homework.

Clinton's been out of office for 5 years now. He was not the President on 9/11, he was not still on the distribution lists for Presidential Daily Briefings on 6 August 2001.

They'll try to blame Clinton, but I think most Americans are smart enough to figure out that the "dog didn't eat the Presidents homework".

[newscott]

34. I hope you're right, but I have my doubts.

[jsamuel]

39. the clinton thing is what they want us to think

it is a distraction or a preemption if you will to the real problem here. As you can see, the RW controlled Pentagon is denying this story so far. If it really reveled it was Clinton's fault, they would have released this info a long time ago.

[OzarkDem]

48. Their strength, the public's weakness

Has always been to make a controversial issue as complicated as possible to confuse the public until they're ready to jump at the simplest explanation which, in this case, could be the Clenis red herring or scapegoating Hastert or both.

The problem is compounded by Dem leadership's continued inability to frame these issues or even address them.

[Barrett808]

38. Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481

[EVDebs]

42. Off the books funding of operations without Congressional knowledge or

approval; then using part of the proceeds to fund politicians. Hmmm. Sounds like what Renata Adler's Dec 1976 article in Atlantic Magazine titled In Search of the Real Nixon Scandal was all about.

Watergate would have exposed it, and even the JFK assassination if that would have allowed research into the Italian connections of Clay Shaw.

Alfred McCoy's The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade years ago explored some of this.

Think back into the Koreagate Scandal just after Watergate also...

[grasswire]

45. and wasn't Koreagate linked to Moon?

Didn't it have to do with sex trade and compromised Congressmen?

[EVDebs]

47. Silent Coup by Colodny and Getlin said Watergate had links to

the same kind of activity. St Martin's settled with John Dean I believe re those charges. Were they right ? We'll never know apparently but does the same activity still take place ?

BTW read about Bob Woodward's and Ben Bradlee's intel backgrounds and about who Sen. Robert F. Bennett (R-UT) was...back then, head of Mullen and Co., the CIA front company that ran the burglars. Ben Bradlee was a boyhood friend of Richard Helms

[OKthatsIT]

49. 9/11 was an inside job

.

[EVDebs]

50. And very well compartmentalized

Hopsicker's website madcowprod.com along with Mike Ruppert's fromthewilderness.com and the books by David Ray Griffin go a long ways...Ptech, the wargames, it will all come out in the wash as my momma used to say.