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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:52 PM
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Venezuela Navy Seizes Massive Drug Shipment in Joint Operation
Venezuela Navy Seizes Massive Drug Shipment in Joint Operation


Monday, Aug 22, 2005

Aug 22, 2005 (VenezuelAnalysis.com).- Authorities from Venezuela and French Guiana seized 3.3 U.S. tons of cocaine aboard a Venezuelan-flagged fishing boat 400 miles east of Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean sea, according to the Associated Press.

The Venezuelan Navy worked in cooperation with the French Guiana Navy, resulting in the detention of nine crew members, including eight Venezuelans and one Peruvian.

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However, a highly publicized dispute has erupted recently between the governments of Venezuela and the United States about their efforts to control drug trafficking in Venezuela. President Chavez accused U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) officials operating in Venezuela, of spying and of over-stepping their authority. U.S. officials rejected the accusations, charging instead that Venezuela was not cooperating well with DEA agents.

Last Monday, Venezuelan Vice-President José Vicente Rangel said that his country would no longer give diplomatic immunity to DEA agents in Venezuela, and that it might deny visas to U.S. citizens. According to the Vice-President, this decision is in reaction to a move by the U.S. government to revoke visas of six Venezuelan National Guard members who were in charge of combating drug trafficking.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1723

Added Comment:
The IMF estimated global money laundering to be between 590 billion and 1.5 trillion dollars a year, representing 2-5 percent of global GDP. (Asian Banker, 15 August 2003). A large share of global money laundering as estimated by the IMF is linked to the trade in narcotics.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:02 PM
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1. the US govt. is heavily involved in drug trafficking
And the same guys involved with that (the neocons) are exerting heavy influence on the IMF.
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beetbox Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:13 PM
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2. Yes
Narcotics is an integral component of financing the operations of the various acronym agencies and when this revenue is cut out it dampens the activities of the CIA etc. They rely on this cash like the landlord relies on the rent.

Think Afghanistan. The reinvigorated opium trade is not a 'failure' of US policy, quite the contrary, it is the intention.
This is also a reason Haiti, as a major transhipment point, is so important to the thugs in the White House.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:29 PM
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6. hmmmmm - that makes an awful lot of sense . . .
.
.
.

Especially considering this from the article:

"According to the Venezuelan government, drug seizures in Venezuela have increased significantly during the current administration of President Hugo Chavez, and surpass those of previous governments."

Hugo does better curtailing the drug business, and the United States wants him out of power

hmmmmmm

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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:46 AM
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12. So that's why the chimpinator wants Chavez out. He's cutting into his
family and friends profits. :tinfoilhat:
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:17 AM
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15. hmm - drugs AND oil - Iraq was not a large consumer of drugs b4 Dubya
.
.
.

"The liberation of Iraq has opened the borders of that country to a new and flourishing drug trade that health officials in Iraq are woefully unprepared to address."

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6374
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and a plot becomes evident AND more interesting
__________________________________________________

"Binladen has no particular love for the US, but there still is no real evidence linking Binladen to the September 11th terrorist act. Bin Laden did commit one mortal sin. He curtailed the cultivation of poppies and the production of opium in Afghanistan. Before the Taliban, Afghanistan produced 40 percent of the world's opium. Now with the removal of the Taliban, opium production is again beginning to flourish in Afghanistan. There is more money in the international drug trade then there is in oil. Why Afghanistan? They seem to have been in the way of the two biggest financial stakes of the planet, oil and drugs."

http://www.nodoom.com/Hoag/09-07-02.html
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There's a lot more info out there that suggests the above may be larger than we think . . .

and didn't I read sumwhere el Pretzeldent had an affinity for drugs??

Definitely for oil, but he was no good in that business I heard . .

Things that make one go

hmmmmmmmmm :freak:

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 05:39 AM
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18. A ready market for drugs in Iraq
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 05:40 AM by formercia
lots of bummed out US troops. Just like Vietnam.
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:51 AM
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23. Is it true there is more money in the illegal drug trade than oil?
I didn't know that
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:10 PM
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32. I can't answer that but I can give you an additional bit of information
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 01:18 PM by Burried News
from the book Lords of the (Pacific) Rim by Sterling (Sperling?)

The Chinese Triads move many more times the amount of drugs and cash than the Medellin and Cali drug Cartels combined. It is a very old trade going back to the 1700's -think Boxer Rebellion in China, Terry and the Pirates cartoons from the 1950's.

Macao, Hong Kong and Taipai are major centers. The drug trade ties into smuggling, money laundering, pirating software and other copywrited products. I don't think anyone can answer your question. The Chinese Bankers have had Rothschild methods of secrecy for centuries. Many key players have citizenship in many countries.

Clavell's Taipan is a good read. Google Hutchinson Wampoa which is in that book and google Madame Chiang Kai Shek. She, believe it or not links RIGHT to .......... fundamentalist christians in the US.

Did they hate Clinton because he tapped into their China stash?
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:15 AM
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26. Another one...
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:59 PM
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31. The Opium pays for the attack on Afghanistan and the foreign
aid to Pakistan. The Oil pays for the attack on Iraq.

And the Ecstasy assists with the pieceful resolution of the West Bunk problem.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:24 AM
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27. Exactly.
That was probably a CIA shipment that Chavez stopped to get in bush's face.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:48 AM
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28. "...and the United States wants him out of power"
No, the Bush Family wants him out of power. He's cutting into family profits and all...
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:57 AM
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24. The Haitian connection makes sense
It is almost asthough the good people of that
island have been damned
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:23 PM
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5. And here, sir, is some evidence for your assertion
From: http://www.madcowprod.com/08172005.html

Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking



August 17, 2005
Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

Mohamed Atta was protected from official scrutiny as part of an officially-protected cocaine and heroin trafficking network with ties to top political figures, including Republican officials Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris, and it was this fact—and not the “terrible lapses” of “weak on terror” Clinton Administration officials cited by Republican Congressman Curt Weldon—which shielded him from being apprehended before the 9.11 attack.

Weldon alleges that Pentagon lawyers rejected the military intelligence unit’s recommendation to apprehend Atta because he was in the country legally, and therefore information on him could not be shared with law enforcement.

But the “terrible lapses” cited by Weldon do not stem from the nonsensical assertion that Atta had a green card (he did not) which rendered him immune from military investigation but were the result of an officially-protected heroin trafficking operation being conducted on planes like those of Wally Hilliard, whose Lear jet flew "milk runs" down and back to Venezuela every week for 39 weeks in a row before finally running afoul of local DEA agents not been clued-in on the 'joke.'


Mr. Hopsicker connects the findings of Able Danger and their inability to get word out to the allegations of Sibel Edmonds. Very interesting reading, I'd say.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:49 PM
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7. It's no wonder Jebbie had those flight records flown to safety...
Is this the biggest mafia crime family ever?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:56 PM
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8. Remember this al bupp?
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:32 PM
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11. Remember it?
A classic like that, how could I forget it?!
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ornotna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:07 AM
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14. Yes, very interesting reading
This guy Hopsicker is right here in town. Who'd a thunk it. :shrug:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:58 PM
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34. Also confirmed by Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, Gary Webb,
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 02:58 PM by rman
Mike Rupert.

Time to wake up, folks.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:35 AM
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37. Not to mention former Wall Street Journal reporter, Jonathan Kwitny
As discussed in the thread Seemslikeadream posted a link to, connections between covert operations funding and drug money have been written about numerous times.

Kwitney in his book "The Crimes of Patriots" documents the connections between heroin trafficking in the "Golden Triangle", covert government ops and shadowy arms merchants in SE asia during the 60s & 70s. Many of the players mentioned (such as John Singlaub) took part in Iran-Contra which had links to cocaine trafficking.

Going back even further one finds the Opium Wars of the nineteenth century largely fought over control of the lucrative trade in that controlled commodity.

Someday it will be common knowledge that the high price, especially relative to their mass and volume, of controlled substances makes an extremely convenient medium for funding "off-the-books", black-ops.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:16 PM
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3. score, Hugo!
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:22 PM
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4. The White House response
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 09:23 PM by MetaTrope
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 09:58 PM
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9. The DEA agents they kicked out were probably protecting this...
and that probably has George very very angry.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 10:24 PM
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10. ...."joint operation"...
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:48 AM
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13. I got your BIG joint operation right here.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:32 AM
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16. To the tune of "Big John"
Every mornin' at the table
you could see it arrive:
It stood six bricks thick,
Twelve kilos high.
Kinda broad at the fire
An' narrow at the tip,
And everybody knew
It was fun to lip
BIG JOINT.

<chorus>
Big joint...
Big joint...
Big bad joint.


Somebody said it came
From New Orleans
Where it got in a fight
With a rollin' machine;
And a crashin' toke
From that huge white roach
Stoned a L'usiana fella
And a football coach.
BIG JOINT.

<chorus>
Big joint...
Big joint...
Big bad joint. :smoke:


:applause:











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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:25 PM
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33. Have to print that out - for Tennessee Earnie Ford
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:30 AM
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22. A mighty spliff!!
I want some!! Wake and bake!:smoke:

How dare Chavez interfere with rummy and *'s profits!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:34 AM
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17. I recommended this thread. It's time folks who only read the front
page of DU started getting some idea of what REALLY goes on in this country.

:kick:
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 05:45 AM
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19. Well now they go and piss off rumsfeld and his drug cartel. GREAT going
Chavez... ruin the CIA and Rummy's drug trafficking ops.

What next? Cut off the US oil supply?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:31 AM
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20. Any CIA agents aboard that boat?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:06 AM
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21. I guess that is a shippment that the US won't get to sell!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:03 AM
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25. Damn!! There goes the CIA's budget for 2006.
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:46 PM
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29. Yeah
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 12:46 PM by whatever4
After he threw out the CIA (I think it was the CIA?), it turns out our feds decided to use DEA to spy on him. So now the DEA is out too. And anyone that looks like them. He's a very popular figure there, who is known for wanting to improve his nation and help his people. He isn't an evil dictator. And Robertson wants him killed.

And Venezuela has oil.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:50 PM
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30. Get 'em Chavez!
:bounce:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 03:04 PM
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35. Couldn't this be a Rovian manuever to drive people away?
Do you think Pat Robertson's comment about Venezuela's Hugo Chavez was out of line?

Currently:

Yes 80% 99794 votes

No 20% 25101 votes

Total: 124895 votes

http://www.cnn.com/

Lower right corner.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:06 PM
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36. Very sharp observation.
Anything but Traitorgate or Cindy on the front page is a plus. Pat is a willing foil to be sure. Manufacture some news?
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