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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 11:56 PM
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Bush Compares War on Terror to World Wars
Don't know if anyone got to this yet...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050823/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

1 hour, 51 minutes ago

SALT LAKE CITY - President Bush compared the fight against terrorism to both world wars and other great conflicts of the 20th century as he tried to reassure an increasingly skeptical public on Monday to support U.S. military involvement in
Iraq.

With the anti-war movement finding new momentum behind grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, Bush acknowledged the fighting in Iraq is difficult and dangerous. But he told the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention the fight is necessary to keep terrorists out of the United States.

As he did in last year's election campaign and more recently as war opposition has risen, Bush reminded his listeners of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — reciting the date five times in a 30-minute speech.

"We're not yet safe," Bush said. "Terrorists in foreign lands still hope to attack our country. They still hope to kill our citizens. The lesson of Sept. 11, 2001, is that we must confront threats before they fully materialize."
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:01 AM
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1. Like that time Andover played Exeter
and it was like the Battle of Iwo Jima.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:02 AM
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2. Didn't George Allen (R-VA) compare Iraq to Normandy...
over the weekend? (Had company and am a bit behind in the news...) So, we're off of "freedom ain't free" and on to comparing Iraq to world wars. I thought they didn't launch new products/ideas in August.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:02 AM
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3. America is the new Russia. Iraq is the new Hungary. So he's right.
Although I doubt he meant it just that way.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:03 AM
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4. And who is he?
President Churchill?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:10 AM
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5. you know, that's EXACTLY what I say
but, you know...
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:14 AM
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6. I compare Iraq to 9-11
The US did to innocent people times 50,000 what the Saudis did to the US.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:22 AM
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7. Desperately seeking validity.
Having no validity itself, they keep trying to connect it with other, respected events. Remember How they tried Bush=Churchill? Laughable comparison.

This one isn't much better.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:23 AM
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8. By my count......
World War II US involvement
Dec 41 1mo
1942 12mos
1943 12mos
1944 12mos
Sept45 9mos
Total ~46mos

War on Terror
Sept01 4mos
2002 12mos
2003 12mos
2004 12mos
Aug 05 8mos
Total ~48mos so far

I'd like to see a show of hands of those who see the light at the end of tunnel in the War on Terror!! I didn't think so.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:28 AM
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9. Vote It Down
I gave it a 1, because it's Stupid & Irrelevant. Don't want to give this stupid comparison of Shrub's any credit at all.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:50 AM
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13. Naw, vote it up. Let everyone see how stupid that stance is
It just makes him look like a complete fool and a warmonger.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:37 AM
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10. Everyone wants to be draped
with the mantle of Churchill and FDR and McArthur, and Monty and Patton and Eisenhower.....

Waaaaay too many old movies watched on a Saturday afternoon that romanticized what was actually a very dark era for humanity.

Hollywood glamorizing made it all sound like just dashing fun, wot?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:40 AM
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11. some choice quotes ------- -------- ------------ ------ > MP3
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:49 AM
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12. Idiot bumpkin
This is total idiocy. We need to get these stupid people out of our White House.
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kysrsoze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:51 AM
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14. ...in his dreams. Chimpy McCokespoon thinks he's destined to fight WWIII
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:09 AM
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15. More like the war he was AWOL from.
Maybe he's trying to regain his lost courage by being a "war pResident" today? He really needs to see a shrink.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:10 AM
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16. Let's hope
someone bursts his bubble
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:57 AM
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17. He sounds more and more psychotic to me
I think you hit on something when you said he really needs to see a shrink. Honestly, I believe that he has slipped into a completely delusional psychotic break of some kind. Seriously, his mental state needs to be questioned, because he is making less and less sense as time passes.
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JawJaw Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:06 AM
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22. I agree
He's having REAL trouble controlling that smirk now, and there seems to be a lot of grinding of teeth goin' on.

Now he's sinking in the polls.... I bet Unka Dick and Karl are getting a mite concerned that the meds just aren't doing the trick any more.

How long before the chimp is fed to the hounds?
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Nostradamus Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 03:48 AM
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18. You don't have to be a genius to work out the modern Hitler

Hint : Adolf started WW2 by invading a country without any reason at all.

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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 03:53 AM
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19. bush compares war on terror to war of the worlds
it's that alien to him.
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okoboji Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 03:54 AM
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20. "We're not yet safe," Bush said.
uuuuuhhh ...

I thought we were safer today .... didn't he tell us we were safer not too long along ago? Do I still need to have my plastic sheets and duct tape handy? or do I go out and spend money?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 05:43 AM
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21. I Guess Godwin's Law Also Applies To War Rhetoric
never mind the fact that we were fighting three war machines at the same time, and Saddam was a tinpot dictator whose army shrunk by a magnitude of three during the decade :eyes:
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:11 AM
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23. Is this the very definition of irony?
"President Bush compared the fight against terrorism to both world wars and other great conflicts of the 20th century as he tried to reassure an increasingly skeptical public on Monday to support U.S. military involvement in
Iraq."

So the President is reassuring us by telling us we are facing a situation as bad as 2 World Wars that saw the deaths of millions of people.

Is that the definition of irony?

Or

Is it just foreshadowing?


:puke:
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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24. Bush salutes sacrifices of 2,000 troops

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3321026

Bush salutes sacrifices of 2,000 troops
'We will finish the task that they gave their lives for,' he tells VFW

By ELISABETH BUMILLER
New York Times

SALT LAKE CITY - President Bush hailed the sacrifice of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan on Monday and then vowed, in a rare reference to the number of American deaths in each country, that the nation owed it to the more than 2,000 Americans killed in the two wars not to end their missions prematurely.

"Each of these men and women left grieving families and loved ones back home," Bush said here at the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. "Each of these heroes left a legacy that will allow generations of their fellow Americans to enjoy the blessings of liberty."

Then he added, in a clear signal that he would not bow to growing pressure to withdraw troops immediately from Iraq: "We owe them something. We will finish the task that they gave their lives for."

Bush made his speech at his first public appearance in nine days, interrupting a monthlong vacation at his Crawford ranch. In recent weeks, political pressures have intensified over his Iraq policy as the sentiment has grown among Democrats and some Republicans that the war has become reminiscent of Vietnam.


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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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25. What "task"?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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26. Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant....
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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28. "Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori," he replied.
:puke:
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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27. When the justification for a war is the lives already lost
it would seem that the war is lost.
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dw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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30. There's a term in accounting... "sunk costs"
It refers to costs already made and not recoverable. Sunk costs should never influence decisions about a future course of action.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
-John Dryden, 17th Century English philosopher
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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29. What is the task? What is the mission?
Tell us what we need to complete, Mr.bush.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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31. to honor those who have been killed, more have to die
that, really, is what he is saying
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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32. What exactly was that task, again?
WMD?
The War on Terror?
Regime change?
Bringing democracy to Iraq?
MUSHROOM clouds?

What's the task, dude?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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33. bush sacrifices 2000 troops
that's what it should read.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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34. I noticed that a lot of newscasters made a big deal out of the fact that
Bush actually mentioned the number of dead soldiers in his speech.
I think he just wanted the public to know that he knew the numbers.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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35. Nothing here about plundering resources.
What a guy, steps out of the pig pen to make a statement. I don't like my vacations interrupted either.

--* made his speech at his first public appearance in nine days, interrupting a monthlong vacation--

FOS as usual.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:24 AM
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36. Impeachment would be a fine choice.
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