Bush supporters clash with anti-war activists in California

[sabra]

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050823/NEWS0102/108230007

Bush supporters clash with anti-war activists in California

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Supporters of President Bush clashed with anti-war activists as they wound their way through California after rallying in the hometown of Cindy Sheehan, the mother who started a protest camp outside Bush's Texas ranch.

Conservative activists and military families embarked on the tour Monday, calling it "You don't speak for me, Cindy!" A verbal confrontation erupted when the caravan arrived in Sacramento and was met by anti-war protesters chanting for Bush to bring home the troops.

Sheehan supporter Dan Elliott, 71, confronted caravan members by waving a sign reading "Death is not support" and heckling one of the tour's organizers as she addressed the crowd.

....

Some caravan members called the anti-war protesters communists and said they were "aiding and abetting the enemy." Those comments enraged Sheehan supporter Dee Ann Heath, who said she has two sons serving in Iraq and another preparing to leave.

[Roland99]

1. America during Vietnam all over again

[StrafingMoose]

27. It's only a matter of time...

that you will hear Bush speaking about the good "silent majority" :eyes:

[Imagevision]

80. Bush Iraq war losing american suppport weekly...!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[katty]

49. Communists?! what is that about?! little late in the day for that-idiots

[WiseButAngrySara]

82. My thoughts exactly!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[shadowknows69]

2. can anyone feel the flames growing?

its getting hot in here.

[sniffa]

6. good

Like cindy said, no one can be on the fence - you're either for the war or against it, and you need to stand up and be heard.

burn mother fucker, burn.

[leftchick]

7. that is a good thing

we need a fire right now!

[StrafingMoose]

28. Problem is that this separation will be exploited

by BushCo to blame it on the anti-war movement and when they will pull out of Iraq when they feel like it, to save the face they will say anti-war people supported the "terrarists" -- "That's why we lost".

[genieroze]

51. I don't care what that idiot says anymore. I want my country back.

[StrafingMoose]

53. Alot of people beleive the idiot, sadly.

[rodeodance]

16. I think most of this is good. I hope people do not get hurt--on either sid

e.

[Gman]

18. Burn baby, burn!

[calimary]

23. Chalk up another one for Mr. "I'm a uniter, not a divider."

FUCK YOU bush. FUCK YOU for all the discord and divisiveness and - frankly - budding civil war YOU have fomented - not just in Iraq, but here at home. We're at each other's throats now because of YOU.

[Ernesto]

52. It's better than a draft........ n-t

[shanti]

88. fiya bun!

capleton seh - more fiya! check out this article for an interesting perspective:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lifestyle/html/20020919t210000-0500_32266_obs_capleton_burns__hotta_fiya__at_uwi_today.asp

[DancingBear]

3. I'm sorry - what did you say?

I was reading my Manifesto and didn't catch it.

Look out kids - it's about to get even stupider in America, if that's possible.

[soup]

39. Seeing "Look out kids" in your post reminded me of this line

from Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues

You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

30 people AMASSED in a caravan to counter a peace message - GO WAR!

alternate universe time

[bullimiami]

4. uniting not dividing. bush success.

[HereSince1628]

5. The Bush brownshirts want to incite violence so that the protests

will be suppressed.

To win at protesting it is, as Ghandi pointed out, necessary to endure both insults and injuries without resorting to violence.

[librechik]

29. this will draw national press--if it bleeds, it leads

and the jackals of the 24hr cable gang will want to boost their ratings.
In balance,this is good--although I hate to see "Bush supporters" get any more coverage than they already control. We get some coverage too, which is priceless!

Be Good, Comrades! No fighting! Just reasoned dialogue! Make the bullies look bad!

[Cha]

84. Just like in 2000 when they

successfully supressed the full count of the votes in Miami.

Only this time..IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!:patriot:

[nankerphelge]

8. Communists?

Why would that be the reference? These people truly are stupid.

[Serial Mom]

11. I was wondering the same thing!

Communists = :scared:

[getmeouttahere]

24. That's the old standard from conservatives...

even my cousin, only half-kidding, has used the "c" word in reference to my political leanings. They can't separate democrat or socialist from communism. It's like a learning impairment.

[drummo]

54. They know nothing about communism or socialism.

I do. I was living in Soviet-occupied Hungary for long years.

These assholes should be sent to a county where communism is still the ruling ideology. After a few days they would understand the difference.

[meganmonkey]

85. Welcome to DU, drummo!

:toast:

[Megahurtz]

91. Because they still have "Cold War" on the brain.

They're living in the past.

[Harry S Truman]

9. Keep up the fight

The more *'s pasty-faced, fatboy bootlickers have to shout, wrestle and dodge our clubs, the more of them that will have coronaries.

[thecrow]

20. Obviously you have never had PEACE training

And I think it is important to remember what you're out there demonstrating against.
Using clubs?
No no no.
You may have one used on you but as a demonstrator for PEACE you should not react AT ALL.
Let the damage be done by THEM.
That way THEY are going to be charged with ASSAULT.
This is so important.

[Uncle Joe]

59. Yea, sort of a Gandhi, Martin Luther King approach.

The cameras will not lie as to who the thugs are. The American People are slowly but steadily being disconnected from the Matrix.

[TankLV]

86. Ghandi used force when necessary. He used all the tools.

He changed his methods depending on the situation.

If someone hits me, they should expect to be CRIPLED.

They may fight to "win" - we should fight to "kill".

Up the price they must pay - but only as a last resort, and if they take the first swing.

They may start it - but we will "finish" it.

The time for turning the other check is nearing an end - we only have 4, and so far their all walloped pretty good!

[Uncle Joe]

90. I thought his winning strategy was passive resistance. n/t

[Atman]

10. Aiding and abetting WHAT enemy?

The enemy we created? Or the one that attacked us? Ooops, we created that one, too. Aiding and abetting Bush, now that ought to be a crime. Hey, Swift Boat Protestors, guess what? You and your "president," the Liar in Chief, don't speak for nearly 2/3 of the country.

So STFU and go buy another Made In China yellow ribbon magnet at the Exxon/Mobile station.

[Window]

13. That is poster material...

You and your "president," the Liar in Chief, don't speak for nearly 2/3 of the country.

[Peace Patriot]

12. Go, Dan Elliott! 71, and taking no crap from anybody!

These war supporters are making perfect idiots of themselves! Imagine yelling things at a mother with two sons in Iraq!

(And I'd be interested to dip into their heads for just a brief moment, to figure out what they mean by "communists." What does being a "communist" have to do with anything? It's so irrelevant. Couldn't someone be a patriotic American--patriotic in a good way--and be a "communist" (in favor of sharing the wealth, and sticking it to the rich)? I mean, there were lots and lots of Russians who were patriotic and communists. Mother Russia and all that. And Chinese. And Cubans. Where are they getting this word from? Who is feeding it to them? And what do they mean by it? I find it really weird.)

[rodeodance]

15. "aiding and abetting the enemy"--says Mark Williams about protesters.

He is a radio talk show host who was a guest on Hardball last night--saying the same thing--actually kept SHOUTING it!!

He was suspose to go to crawford today.

[smoogatz]

17. "Aiding and abetting the enemy"

What morons. I'll bet their sons and daughters in the military wish they'd shut the fuck up.

[MindPilot]

19. You're kidding, right?

The morans don't have sons and daughters in the military; their kids are here at home fighting the "culture wars" and the "battle of ideas".

[Daphne08]

21. I saw him on Hardball and he is seriously wacko!

[ThreeCatNight]

22. I keep hearing the same thing...

from all the Neo-cons around here.
Seems like if you disagree with * , you are automaticly accused of having the "enemy" over to your house, intruducing them to your daughter and giving them a warm place to sleep.
Christ almighty...what happened to the country I grew up in?

[getmeouttahere]

26. Long gone, my friend....

and getting farther away in that rear view mirror

[Peace Patriot]

32. Oh, they said the same thing about the Vietnamese! "The enemy."

Remember "America, love it or leave it"? If you hated their horrible, genocidal war, you were "aiding the enemy." The thing is, though, that the Vietnamese didn't need anybody's help to kick the biggest military machine in human history out of their country. They were fighting for their HOMELAND, just as we would do, if we were invaded--and just as the Iraqis are doing. It is major stupidity and hubris to put people in that position--to dare them to defend their HOME--because they will persevere no matter what--in sandals and straw hats and surviving in tunnels under the ground. With no air force. With no navy. With few weapons of any kind (compared to the aggressor). They will shoot you with arrows if they have to. And they WILL win.

"Aiding the enemy." That's the problem. The American people never get to choose these "enemies." They are chosen for us, and forced upon us. Here's a reply for antiwar protesters who get accused of this: "Who is 'enemy,' brother (or sister)? The Iraqi people or the Halliburton war profiteers? And who is 'aiding' the REAL enemy? Not me!"

But bear this in mind. Nothing's going to change until we throw these corporate voting machines, with their SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, into 'Boston Harbor' (so to speak). We are NOT going to get out of this war as things stand, with major wingers controlling the vote count. They won't just be "electing" Bushites; they will also be able to select who we get to vote for, in our own party (in the primaries). And, because the Bushites are so incompetent, our Corporate Rulers are going to have to get a War Democrat in there to keep the U.S. military in Iraq and in the Middle East in general It's becoming pretty clear that's what the plan is.

Said War Democrat will promise to "bring the troops home" some time or another, and NOT to loot Social Security (--that's about all we'll get out of it--NOT looting Social Security). And the war will go on as planned; the hogfeasting war contractors will go on getting their rich slop; we'll have a draft (for sure), and some incident will be created (read: Gulf of Tonkin) to invade Iran. The War Democrat will then get blamed for "the mess"--whatever Bushturds the War Democrat is unable to clean up (short memory of news monopolies, as to who exactly created "this mess")--and we'll get Jeb in '12. More tax cuts for the rich. More war. Until we are drained dry--of young people, money and resources--and they have no more use for us. (Then, on to South America or China, for the Cartel, I guess.)

Sickening, isn't it? But this is not far from what is really going to happen, I think--UNLESS WE CLEAN UP OUR ELECTION SYSTEM WHILE WE STILL HAVE THAT POWER. The bipartisan corruption in the new electronic voting boondoggle, at the local level, is a formidable obstacle, but it's still doable. And we had better get on it (those of us who aren't already). Our democracy is hanging in the balance.

[seafan]

36. Priority number ONE is to return to paper and pen voting, hand-counted

....UNLESS WE CLEAN UP OUR ELECTION SYSTEM WHILE WE STILL HAVE THAT POWER...

Exactly on point, Peace Patriot. Good post, BTW.


The number ONE priority we should be pushing to our Senators/Reps, with all the raw energy we can muster, is immediate return to paper and pen voting, hand-counted at each precinct, under the watch of many observers, with vote totals called in by phone to the Supervisor of Elections' office.

All voting machines/software, punch cards, optical scanners, central tabulators should be surgically cut out of our voting process.


If we are not successful in preserving the authenticity and sanctity of our vote, we will lose our country forever as a democracy.

This is truly the frightening bottom line for America.

[kansasblue]

14. " I'm a united, not a divider" *

[Larkspur]

25. Hand out military enlistment forms to these bozos

even to the pro-Bush military families. If they support the war, they should all fight in it.

[CGrantt57]

30. Let's start a new meme....

I suggest that whenever we hear the words "pro-bush supporters" in reference to Iraq, we immediately reply with:

"Don't you mean, Pro-WAR supporters?"

Puts them in a different light entirely, doesn't it?

[defiant1]

31. Jeez...

They call us communists, I call them facists.

Strange...

[gtar100]

33. Difference is that facist has a basis, calling us communist doesn't

.

[defiant1]

43. Well....

It has it's basis in the fact that in their warped minds, they actually believe us all to be communists.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

34. Welcome to DU!

and I think the next step will be when they call us 'stupid poopy heads'.
That I can relate to. Communists? Sort of like accusing someone of being a member of the Whig party or something..........

[defiant1]

44. Thanks for the welcome....

:toast:

[Barrett808]

35. So "clash" means "yelling contest"?

I expected fisticuffs, and I was interested in knowing who threw the first punch.

[defiant1]

45. Damn false advertising....

**shakes fist**

[xchrom]

37. the anti-war folk MUST confront these jerks!

they should challenged every step of the way -- and their lies thrown back in their faces.

this is what the right wants -- but i'm not sure they're gonna like it.

[Javaman]

38. Here we go folks. And niro* continues to fiddle while rome burns.

[KansDem]

40. "Peace supporters clash with pro-war activists"

This should have been the title of the article...

[Child_Of_Isis]

41. Divide and conquer.

A country united is a dangerous thing, especially if it unites against the government. The government operates under the assumption that as long as we are fighting one another, they are safe. So, we have freeps against lefties, blacks against whites, smokers against non smokers, the wealthy against the poor and on and on. And they create new ones everyday.

[Wind Dancer]

56. Exactly!

Rulers have used that strategy from the beginning of recorded history to control the masses.

[mapleboard]

42. I have no "skin" in this war, but want others to die

Will these people PLEASE join the military and go to Iraq??? These "Cindy doesn't speak for me" people???

[Carni]

46. News flash to Freepers/Communism is not an issue in the Iraq war

Are you right winged idiots REALLY this damned stupid?

Didn't you get the memo about Bush and his beloved Pootie Poot gazing into one another's souls?

[gratuitous]

47. Running to the "communist" label like Linus to his blanket

They're such insecure little dears, aren't they?

[progressivebydesign]

48. "supporters" vs. "activists" it's all in the semantics. n/t

[Supersedeas]

50. The "if you don't support Bush, you are un-American" line is getting old

[sakabatou]

55. The Pro-Bushies are still stuck in the 60s/80s

However the anti-war rally should've just turned their back on the caravan, in disgust.

[corker]

57. Bushco wants violence

[DoveTurnedHawk]

58. "Communists"...Are These People Stuck in the 60's, or What?

Putting aside for the moment that Communism as an economic system has utterly failed worldwide, WTF is up with using this outdated term as a slur? Talk about being stuck in the Stone Age!

DTH

[neuvocat]

96. They just ran out of ideas.

They don't spend any time thinking at all, so they just go back to insults that no one's used in about 15 years.

[eauclaireliberal]

60. Libbies are damned commies

You people know that, right? Sort of how giving free health care to Iraqis is sound foreign policy, whereas giving it to you fellow Americans is socialism. Those freetards know what they are talking about...their experience comes from supporting a leader like Trotsky Bush.

[stevedeshazer]

61. Bush Supporters, Activists Clash in Calif.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Supporters of
President Bush clashed with anti-war activists as they wound their way through California after rallying in the hometown of Cindy Sheehan, the mother who started a protest camp outside Bush's Texas ranch.
ADVERTISEMENT

Conservative activists and military families embarked on the tour Monday, calling it "You don't speak for me, Cindy!" A verbal confrontation erupted when the caravan arrived in Sacramento and was met by anti-war protesters chanting for Bush to bring home the troops.

Sheehan supporter Dan Elliott, 71, confronted caravan members by waving a sign reading "Death is not support" and heckling one of the tour's organizers as she addressed the crowd.

"You are ruining the morale over there," responded Greg Parkinson, a Bush supporter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823/ap_on_re_us/peace_mom;_ylt=A9FJqYXtigtDY8IAngGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-

[stevedeshazer]

62. First Freeper response?

To: BenLurkin
Arm the front HUMVEE with twin .50's and mow down every antiwar demonstrator you see.

"Violence doesn't solve anything? WELL LET'S TRY ANYWAYS.... BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM"
2 posted on 08/23/2005 1:50:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1469194/posts

[Megahurtz]

92. OMG!!!

:puke:

[President Kerry]

93. yup.. classy eh?

Lazamataz, you are an excellent reason for abortion. If only your mother would have been so smart..

[sniffa]

63. ha

new articLe about a new confrontation invoLving the same caravan, but using the same headLine.

[edbermac]

64. We're ruining morale? No, car bombs are ruining morale...

And their Commander-In-Chief is ruining morale...

[SteppingRazor]

65. At least the peace activists didn't go meekly into the night...

Being antiwar and having a spine are not mutually exclusive.

Don't take any guff from these swine, to paraphrase Dr. Thompson.

[LisaM]

66. How did we get to this point?

This is all so messed up. We are law abiding, we pay taxes, we have the right to speak up against pre-emptive invasion and all our our tax money being squandered to no apparent purpose. Doesn't it hurt morale when Bush takes five-week fun vacations instead of paying attention to them? Doesn't it hurt morale when Halliburton routinely loses millions of dollars at a time while veterans' benefits are being cut? Doesn't it hurt morale when religious loonies say it's cheaper just to assassinate foreign leaders than to launch invasions (which could be read as veiled commentary on the carnage and waste going on in Iraq?)

[AlCzervik]

67. This woman here has a son in the Navy, she a pro-war cheerleader

and she's yelling at this couple who have 3 sons on active duty right now and they support Cindy Sheehan.

[barbaraann]

74. Her son in the Navy probably won't see combat.

n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

77. Real class

NOT!

She has the NERVE to yell at those people. Her son will probably not see combat since he's in the Navy.

[TankLV]

87. In the NAVY with a DESERT "war"!

Ha!

Like HE's gonna see a lot of "action" safe a few hundred mile off shore from the nearest spit of Iraqi land!

[tabasco]

68. 'bout time we started clashing.

LET'S KICK SOME FREEPER ASS !

[bleedingheart]

69. So we ruin the Morale of the War when we talk about Death?

jeez...what a bunch of pussies those freepers are....

War = Death...didn't they know that...

We speak about the reality of war...not their deluded version.....

[Rebellious Republican]

70. I wonder what ever happened to that DU poster that had some

info on Deborah Johns, the mouth piece for this group. Sounds like she is very dirty according to this poster....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2023658

[txaslftist]

71. Mark Twain wrote a wonderful essay about these folks...

...the ones who gleefully send their own children off to war's glory.

They haven't changed a bit.

[Kipling]

72. COnfrontation? Excellent. Let's see their cowardly side.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

73. We've got to stop ruining the morale over there!

We should be focusing on how great it'll be when our troops come home and can play golf on all those great courses...the guys that still have arms, at least. :eyes:

And what about the terrific health care our government provides them with. They can go to any hospital in the country, as long as it accepts their insurance. :eyes:

Let's not forget how well our vets from other wars live...how well they're taken care of. :eyes:

Ok...maybe we shouldn't talk about those things to lift the morale of our troops. Maybe we should just shut up and sing God Bless America, as the rethugs do.

Or maybe we should just keep telling the truth until those who've been blinded by patriotic fervor get the message.

[stevedeshazer]

75. Absolutely!

You're either with us or against us.

[stanwyck]

76. Has the "Swiftboat" liar money run out?

Why aren't the fatcat oilmen who have always (and that means always -- including his "businessman" days) bankrolled Bush sending a fleet of well-funded lackeys in to fight their battles? A little caravan of warmongers is all they coughed up?
And Bush says the economy is improving.

[daleo]

78. How long until the shooting starts?

You have to wonder if there will eventually be another Kent State.

[OKthatsIT]

79. not until they get to try out all their new toys

....so many new toys.

water, sound, pepper spray, foam canons
tasers
taser bullets(xtra new)
wooden, rubber, foam 'blunt force' bullets
stinger rounds(rubber shotgun pellets)
bluesponge(pepper spray filled rubber bullets)
microwaves
tear gas
heat canisters
dogs
horses

[Scout1071]

81. Pssst. Here's a little info on that caravan of Repug's:

Courtesy of Ninkasi in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4438691#4438997

When the MAF website first went up this take a look at who is was registered to:

The .com address was first registered using this information:

Registrant:
Russo Marsh & Rogers
770 L Street, #950
Sacramento, CA 95814
US

That’s right, this genuine act of patriotism is brought to you by the Republican public relations firm Russo Marsh and Rogers. The Move America Forward organization isn’t just based in the Bay Area, it’s based in the same offices as the Russo PR firm. Same receptionist answers calls for both organizations. Website was registered to the firm until they figured out that it wouldn’t look good if people knew that a PR firm was behind this ‘patriotic grassroots activist group.’


Can any DU'ers help us verify? Benburch said he'd try to verify tomorrow.

[bvar22]

83. Freeper idiots lost another "spelling" challenge!

But you can tell that it has been a looooong time since she has been embarrassed about anything.

[President Kerry]

94. oh boy.. that pesky spelling is getting too tough for the peanut brains.

[pinniped]

89. These neanderthals don't even know what communist means.

--communists and said they were "aiding and abetting the enemy--

[President Kerry]

95. kinda like Robertson saying Venezuela would be the staging

ground for Muslim terrorists. :rofl:

Hey assholes! Get a clue!