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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:22 PM
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Robertson: Chavez remarks misinterpreted (liar)
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:27 PM by sonicx
CNN) -- Conservative religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Wednesday that his remarks about the removal of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez were taken out of context and that he never called for the killing of the Latin American leader.

"I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP , but that happens all the time," Robertson said on "The 700 Club" program.

snip

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson on Monday's program. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html

he's a bad liar too.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:24 PM
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1. Fuck You Robertson!
:grr:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:25 PM
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2. Right. nt
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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:26 PM
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3. somebody needs to
get ol' Pat a fresh Depends.......
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:27 PM
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4. his lunatic ramblings
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:27 PM by xxqqqzme
happen 'all the time' as well.


I was struck, watching a replay on Jon Stewart last night, how bad pr looks. Is he ill? stricken w/ some disease? He has the look of a cancer sufferer.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:31 PM
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5. A page straight from Limbaugh's backpedaling manual.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:32 PM
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6. Take him out?
..oh, for a nice meal and, perhaps a movie?

no, Pat! I think we understand exactly what you meant, ya mook!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:32 PM
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7. So he endorses kidnapping foreign leaders?
And then what? Show trials?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:47 PM
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35. As I understand it, kidnapping Chavez is still a crime under
the international definition of terrorism. Kidnap, Pat? You're still a liar and a criminal.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:35 PM
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8. Gee, Pat, yer ASS is showing...
Feeling a bit breezy there, Pat? Feel like your mouth wrote a check your ass might have to cash? Sucks to get caught out, doesn't it...


If Pat wants sympathy he better look between shit and syphilis in the dictionary. He might find it there.



Laura
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:35 PM
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9. Arrest this man. Now. Before he provokes an international incident. n/t
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:35 PM
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10. It depends on what your definition of "assassinate him" is, I guess.
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:37 PM by kenny blankenship
See "...we really ought to go ahead and do it." could mean something COMPLETELY different from really go ahead and assassinate him. Er....Somehow.

If you take it out of context you could understandably get the totally mistaken idea that by "really go ahead" Pat Robertson meant "really go ahead". And you could get the idea that he really meant "assassinate him" when he said "assassinate him". But that's all wrong!

See, you've got to see his remarks in their full context, which is a roiling political shitstorm in which he can't POSSIBLY have meant what, in fact, he said.
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highnooner Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:36 PM
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11. "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, .....
....but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

======================

It's hard to back-peddle when you say this.
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ChowChowChow Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:37 PM
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12. They lie and lie and are NEVER called on it by the MSM
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:42 PM
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16. i really doubt he's gonna squirm his way out of this
if it had been ONE phrase sure, but he rambled on about chavez long enough that his message was clear. and the two stories i've seen about this so far both include the other quote which is not in the least bit open to interpretation.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

no WAY can that be twisted to mean anything other than a call to have the guy killed. his attempt to squirm out of this only makes him look even more a fool than he already has.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:39 PM
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13. What a Fuckwad! YOUR ON VIDEO SAYING ASSASSINATE YOU IDIOT!
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:41 PM by Beetwasher
He doesn't even say "take him out" anywhere. What a complete and total fuckwad.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it," said Robertson on Monday's program. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."

He didn't even say "take him out". He said assassinate. He's counting on people not being able to read or hear or watch the video...Or maybe he's praying really hard that god will somehow change history for him. What a fucking moran.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:40 PM
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14. This is how the RW hitmen work:
Republican Twit: "(Offensive comment)."

Audience: "(Statement of disapproval and shock at offensive comment)."

Republican Twit: "You misunderstood what I meant. I meant (slightly less offensive comment, coupled with attack on audience)."

Audience: Begins to complain, but broadsided by offensive comment by Republican Twit #2.


This is what they do. If you are offended, you "misunderstood."
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:44 PM
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20. don't forget...
Republican Twit: "It was taken out of context."
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:41 PM
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15. BWHAAAAAAAAAAA
nice try Pat, but kidnapping is almost as bad. :eyes:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:43 PM
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17. Except He Never Even SAID "Take Him Out" He Said "Assassinate"
and it's all on video. He's a baldfaced, totally busted liar. There's no backpedaling on this. The evidence is there for all to see.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:58 PM
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26. you're right, but it's still fun to watch him try to bullshit his way out
of it.

Man of god, my butt. :D
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:43 PM
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18.  Weasel !!
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:44 PM by yorkiemommie1
LIAR !! LIAR. LIAR.

and there's a commandment against THAT too !

edited add last line.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:34 PM
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30. So, take out "no killing" and "no lying" and we have the 8 Commandments
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 01:38 PM by KansDem
courtesy Pat Robertson...:crazy:
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:44 PM
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19. I can't believe
he can't see the problem of what he said. Robertson should be put in jail for his remarks. Is it not a terrorist remark any way you put it? Take him out!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:56 PM
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21. "Take him out" is slang for assassination
Pat also said in the 80s that Khadafi was a mad dog, and what do we do with mad dogs?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:56 PM
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22. Great to put these two statements together!
These guys never tire of trying to lie their way out of everything. Franken does as you have, puts the two examples side-by-side.

:toast:
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:57 PM
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23. I know EXACTLY what Robertson is going to say next!!
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 12:58 PM by dotcosm
"Depends what your definition of IT is"

("...but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do IT")
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 03:23 PM
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44. He's pushing for nationwide orgies, obviously
If Chavez thinks we're going to assassinate him, we should all go out and do IT! Okay, so he switched subjects in the middle of a sentence, but we should be used to that by now, what with pResident Mushmouth and all.

Hmmmmm. But that won't fly with your worshippers either, will it?

Sorry, Pat. :shrug: You're screwed. I tried. You know where to send the check.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:58 PM
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24. what utter bullshit
Pat, quit while you're ahead

time to retire on all that blood diamond money you've received from your buddies in Africa
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:58 PM
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25. When Pat blamed 9/11 on gays, the Village Voice
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 01:02 PM by rocknation
actually listed some ways in which he could have been taken out of context, such as "There is man off camera pointing a gun at me and ordering me to read the following statement" and "If an infinite number of monkeys typed for an infinite amount of time, they would come up with..."

:rofl:
rocknation
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:14 PM
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27. What a waste of human DNA. n/t
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:27 PM
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28. Human? Are we sure about that?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:44 PM
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34. For lack of a better term. If I called him a piece of dog excrement.
It would even be insulting to the turd.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:32 PM
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29. I guess he forgot the "to dinner!" when he suggessted that "the CIA
take out Chavez."
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:53 PM
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36. The charlatan crook fraud I surmise must be also very underhanded.........
and cunning. Take whatever words he says and throw them in the trash. The plunder of others good will and beliefs amassing this scum hundreds of millions and the parlay of others beliefs as a bargaining tool to sell the trash to perpetuate even larger wholesale skimming. The guy is despicable. He does it because he wants to have own personal version of Hell right here on earth (he may get it but not in the way he planed). A true wing-nut in all sense of the word

Watching what people do instead of what the say always made more sense to me
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:34 PM
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31. Lying filth
Worthless, evil scum, isn't he?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:39 PM
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32. Al Franken said today he could have been taken out of context
If he had uttered the words "I would have to be a complete idiot to believe that..." before he made the rest of his comments. Otherwise, no way.
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:42 PM
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33. Big fat liar
I can't believe him. Liar liar liar
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:53 PM
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37. Well, that was entirely predictable
Don't these idiots realize that when you're on TV, everything you say is recorded and can played back endlessly.

Just ask Howard Dean
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:55 PM
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38. Yeah well.
who ya gonna believe good ole pat or you lying fucking ears?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 01:56 PM
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39. What? Kidnapping is a crime too? Lets try this again.
Government agents should date Hugo Chavez. Yeah, that's the ticket! Government agents should date Hugo Chavez. You know take him out for dinner, drinks, and then see if they can get some. er um Oil! Yeah, that's the ticket! Get some oil.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:02 PM
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40. By the press give Robertson MSM time to backpeddle
they have essentially given him a free pass.
Robertson won't be completely vilified by the public, and WTF does he really care anyway? He's got more money than God. :mad:
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:38 PM
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41. Lies make Baby Jesus cry!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 02:57 PM
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42. Translation: I just pull stuff out of my butt
then say I was taken out of context.
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 03:10 PM
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43. Chavez should offer gas here at half price for cars with Dem bumpersticker
Chevez's already offered to help America's poor, and Bush has interfered in Venezuelan elections, I don't see why Chavez can't repay Bush this way.

Perhaps just a dollar off each gallon of gas purchased by any vehical with a Democratic bumper sticker would send Bush and the GOP a message.

Maybe he could charge cars with Bush bumber stickers fifty cents extra per gallon.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 03:40 PM
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45. His first statement was...
"if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we ought to go ahead and do it" How the hell is this out of context, it's an f'ing quote. Lord, I am sick of these guys.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 03:47 PM
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46. Mendacity
"Take him out" doesn't mean dinner and a date and that lying butthead knows it. What a freak.

But wait, the next ploy will be his claim that he is being victimized by the liberal media, its really all their fault...He didn't mean anything.
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 04:02 PM
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47. robertson?
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 04:05 PM by shantipriya
I am more concerned about the fact that miilions of people follow and listen to this jerk.I am ashamed to be living in the same country as this moron and his followers!
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 04:23 PM
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48. Another RW liar who will be believed by the sheeple.
How can they be so blatent? I hate these people.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 04:30 PM
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49. Stick a fork in your ass you're done!
No one will accept your fake apology you freedom-hating nazi pig!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 04:37 PM
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50. robertson is senile..he doesn't
remember saying.."If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it,"
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 04:39 PM
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51. Take him out to what? Red Lobster? What a lying sack. nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:43 PM
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52. Robertson denies Chavez assassination call
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=876a9fb9db3fa532

Pat Robertson said Wednesday that reports he supports the assassination of the Venezuelan president were taken out of context, CNN reports.

The conservative religious broadcaster made the controversial remarks about President Hugo Chavez Monday on his program, The 700 Club.

On the show he said, "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it." He also said, "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

Robertson said Wednesday he didn't say assassination, but admitted to using the phrase take him out.

He said, "take him out doesn't have to be killing him."

While Chavez dismissed Robertson's words, Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel strongly condemned them and called on President Bush to take some sort of legal action.

more...

I love this comment by Robertson
Robertson said Wednesday he didn't say assassination, but admitted to using the phrase take him out.

doesn't it sound like the same defense Rove gave for Plame... I didn't say Plame I said Wilson's wife!!!

"Thou Shalt not Lie"

its on that tablet of stone I believe!!!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:43 PM
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53. OK: I'll play along (wants to humor the old man).
Let's say that Robberson meant "Take him out". Not necessarily kill him, but just kidnap him, or otherwise spirit him out of Venezuela where he won't do any more harm.

What right do we have to kidnap people? It's my understanding that kidnapping people is punishable by EXECUTION. Did you hear me, Pat? I said execution. I believe something happened to Charles Lindberg's son: he was kidnapped and killed. When they found the perpetrators, I believe they were executed.

What makes YOU different, Pat?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM
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58. Who would Jesus kidnap ?
Edited on Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM by amber dog democrat
This whole thing gets stranger and stranger. We really are on the edge of a moral precipice when its OK to publicly broadcast stuff like this.

I'd say go after the stations that aired it and challenge their license renewals with the FCC.

If PR became too much of a loose canon/ liability, he'd lose access to his TV audience.

What makes this moron a Christian. Wasn't he the one who wanted to use a nuke on the State Department ?

Edited for spelling.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM
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54. It was his evil twin, Skippy, who said "assassination."
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:51 PM
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60. Damn that Skippy.
Luckily Pat's a Christian man who will forgive. Praise Jesus.
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM
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55. He didn't?
I swear he said something along the lines of:

"He thinks we are out to assassinate him, and we should."

Transcript, please.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM
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56. Just as an aside
I watched the 700 Club once (yes, I did, but it was only for a few minutes). Robertson was explaining about a new device, a hand held GPS receiver.

He claimed that if you could find out where you were with one of these gadgets, "the government" could pinpoint your location as well!

This was during the Clinton Administration, so needless to say, "the government" was evil then.

"Yes, folks, if you are dumb enough to believe me then your dumb enough to send me money!"
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 08:44 PM
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57. I have it on good authority...
that what Pat really meant, was he wanted to treat Chavez to dinner and a movie.
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Patrick_Star Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 09:19 PM
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59. squirming
He's trying to weasel out of this just like Trent Lott was trying to weasel about his endorsement of segregation. Eventually, these bigots and hate-mongers are exposed for what they are. I'm just dying to hear something like "That depends on what the definition of 'take out' is". LMFAO!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:04 PM
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61. Is there any GOOD way you can read this later remark from Pat?
An article released this afternoon:
Robertson Apologizes for Calling for Chavez' Assassination
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) -- Pat Robertson is apologizing for calling for the U.S. assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

The founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network has released a statement in which he says, "Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement."

On today's broadcast of "The 700 Club," Robertson initially denied calling for Chavez's assassination on Monday's program. But the tape and transcript show that Robertson said of Chavez, "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it."

On today's broadcast, Robertson suggested that killing a dictator may sometimes be morally justified, citing the example of a German theologian who was executed for plotting against Hitler.

Story created 8/24/2005 - 1:54 PM Last updated 8/24/2005 - 1:54 PM
http://www.news10.net/storyfull10.asp?id=12747
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:12 PM
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62. Liar, liar, pants on fire...
No, really, I wish his pants were on fire.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:26 PM
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63. Who ya gonna believe,Robertson or your lying ears and eyes.
What a putz,he was on national tv,transcripts from the program are available all over the place and he is trying to say it ain't so. Jeez..another delusional republican living in the land of make believe.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 10:46 PM
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64. What Would Jesus Lie About, Pat?
Are you lying to yourself, too?
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