Oregon poised for unlikely military draft

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/mike_francis/index.ssf?/base/news/112488133662141.xml&coll=7

There is no military draft and federal officials say there are no plans to restart one, but if that changed suddenly, Oregon's system could spring to life quickly, board members say.

"There's a system in place, ready to go," said Mike Weatherby, the mayor of Fairview and a member of the statewide Selective Service appeals board. If a national draft was suddenly instituted, he said, "it would have some hiccups, some stumbling, but it would work." snip

"In my opinion," said Weatherby, a draft is "inevitable given the situation overseas."

That's not the official view of the Pentagon, nor the Selective Service System.

[LoKnLoD]

1. It's been ready to go

nationwide since May of 2005. I read that somewhere early in the year, sorry I don't have the link though.

[whatever4]

2. And they laughed at me

as well as ridiculed me. When I ranted about how I didn't want my kids sent to war, during talk before the Iraq war. Called me colorful descriptive names. Mommy was one of them. I'm a mommy. I should be ashamed of that? So I said, yes I am, I come from a long line of them, got a problem with that? No answer.

They said the war couldn't possibly last that long, a few years.

They're already wrong, so I have to wonder if those OH so many people that criticized my concerns realize they're already wrong about that, and so likely might be wrong about the draft as well.

Will my worries be as silly then, I wonder. I didn't consider them silly in the first place.

[northzax]

3. it makes sense for localities to prepare

while I don't believe a draft is likely, or sustainable, if you do, and it's your job to execute one, you might as well be ready to go.

[gratuitous]

4. Mrs. gratuitous was on the local draft board for 20 years

After 20 years Selective Service retires you, but her last training in October 2002 was about the draft, its mechanics and procedures. Those big rotating drums are in storage right now, waiting for the day to dispense their little capsules -- death for those with low numbers, life for those with high numbers.

[saigon68]

35. And Mega $$$$ for Halliburton Stockholders

And other Ilk lounging around on their Yachts

[AndyTiedye]

5. Time For Some More Bumper Stickers

[Timmy5835]

6. Relax, there will be NO draft

You need a majority of Congress to support a draft. During an election cycle...forget it!!!!!

[tabasco]

10. Regular Army set to miss annual recruiting need by 10,000.

That's just the Army.

It is a crisis situation in front-line units right now.

Where are those young republicans??


The neocons will have to start a draft or scale back military operations. Which do you think thay will do, considering their stated goals?

Back to fantasy land - where the economy is booming and there will never be a draft.

[Dover]

18. So you are of the mind that the last elections were legitimate?

I seriously doubt that the GOP has any real concerns about getting the 'votes' they need.

Their only real concern is if the people recognise they no longer actually have a voice and respond accordingly with a revolution.

[wli]

27. election cycle? you forgot Diebold n/t

[Ian David]

7. I've already volunteered to be on the draft board. Have all of you? n/t

[clu]

11. I did last year

Unfortunately, I got a DWI last year and I am no longer eligible since I have a criminal record.

That's what I told them when they called about my application.

[Ian David]

12. That's Okay. You can always work for the Bush Administration. n/t

[tabasco]

19. Yep. But I am ineligible.

I am still in the IRR so I can't be on the draft board. But a friend of mine is, and he is committed to making sure rich kids get to serve their country too. It would be a shame if what happened to Tom Delay happens to another brave young republican - all the minorities and poor people taking all the good combat jobs.

[Akoto]

8. They'd pull out before they'd consider the draft.

Calling for the draft, especially with the upcoming elections, would be political suicide. You also need more than just the president to pull one off, and seeing as even his own people are starting to turn against him, I doubt he'd manage it. It'd be chaos.

I hope this is the case, anyhow. I'm prime draft age (20) but my physical and mental health is terrible. Panic attacks, asthmatic, migranes, blind as a bat. I am so afraid they'll come for me one of these days. :scared:

[atreides1]

13. Not really

The only big name Republican that has said much against the president
and his Iraq plan, is Senator Chuck Hagel, but even Hagel's voting record stays close to the Republican Party.

Let me give a quick lesson in how this draft works:

1. You receive your notice to report to a MEPS.

2. You receive your physical at the MEPS.

3. If it's determined that you do not meet the physical qualifications, you are listed as such and that information
is sent to your local draft board.

It is very likely that you will then be reclassified as 4F, but the
important thing to remember is that a classification isn't permanent.

As for your assumption that they would pull out before they bring back the draft, remember what the Chimp said yesterday about staying
and winning as long as he was President.

[Sven77]

9. the draft is slavery

they've set up the draft boards. its coming soon. who cares about the election when you own the voting machines and the media. if you can find this video its worth the download.

Mr. RYAN of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.

I rise in opposition of this bill, but I would like to clarify something. We are not trying to scare kids. This President's foreign policy is what is scaring the kids of this country. And people have said today, why are people believing this? Why are people believing this big Internet hoax?

It is the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11; the same people who told us Saddam Hussein had something to do with weapons of mass destruction; the same people who told us we would be able to use the oil for reconstruction money; the same people who told us we would be greeted as liberators, not occupiers; the same people, the same President who told us the Taliban is gone; the same President who told us that Poland is our ally 2 days before they pull out; the same President who tells us Iraq is going just great; the same President who tells us the economy is going just great; the same people who told us the tax cuts were going to create millions of jobs; the same people who told us that the Medicare program only cost $400 billion when it really cost $540 billion.

So please forgive us for believing what you are saying. Please forgive the students of this country for not believing what you are saying. Not one thing, not one thing about this war that has been told to the American people or that has been told to these college students has been true. Not one thing. Bremer says we need more troops. The Pentagon says we need more troops, and this President cannot get them from the international community. There is only one option left. Let us be honest with the American people.

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[MissB]

16. Who is this "fine man" you speak of?

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

[fasttense]

17. Since the polls clearly indicate the majority of

US citizens want to end the war, there should be no balancing act. There should be action to do what the people who elected him want. We want the war to end now, simple clear precise. Nixon was able to understand that the people ran this country not the president, and he ended the Vietnam war. But brush doesn't seem to understand he does not run this country. Brush only serves at the will of the people and the people have spoken - get out of Iraq (and get Bin Laden and his group of murderers instead.)

[wli]

28. Bushler doesn't serve at the will of the people

"George W. Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters of the Unites States. He was appointed by God." -- Gen. William G. Boykin

Also, c.f. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, et al.

[NYC]

24. Terrific speech by Ryan of Ohio.

Thanks for posting it.

[wli]

26. What video? n/t

[Chicago1]

15. THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT

This administration is ready to COLLAPSE AND HEAD FOR TRIAL AND CONVICTIONS. NO ONE IN THE CONGRESS WILL ALLOW ONE BEFORE AN ELECTION.

There is ALOT of evidence AGAINST this administration in addtion Election FR**D which has already been collected AGAINST them.

Chaos would ensue and ALL of the IMPEACHMENT trials would begin.

A DRAFT ISN'T HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wli]

29. nothing's been done about election fraud, period.

There have been zero convictions. Zero publicity. It's still an "open secret" and none of the fraud mechanisms have been removed.

[Chicago1]

33. The Convictions for Election Fraud ARE ON THE WAY

The democrats are going to time exposing the fraud CAREFULLY. It's only a matter of time and the White House KNOWS IT!!!

[wli]

34. I'm skeptical there are ever going to be any convictions

In fact, I'm not even sure this is an aberration anymore. If there's an investigation, it'll be a a whitewash. If there's a cleanup, it'll merely erect another sham in Diebold's place which they may hope is less transparent. My wild guess about Bush is that he was merely so unpopular the common practice of rigging the elections fell apart enough to make it obvious. In fact, I'm getting rather less sure by the hour as the DLC openly hops into bed with the rethugs and the rest of the Dems roll over repeatedly that the Democratic Party is anything but a sham to make people think they have an advocate in the government.

And this late in the game, even if they prosecuted aggressively now, which they probably can't, it's too late to un-rig 2006, assuming they're even trying.

[Igel]

20. They've been ready to reinstate the draft since shortly after

it was discontinued in the '70s.

Edited to remove time/place specific info:
"There's a system in place, ready to go," said random member of some statewide Selective Service board. If a national draft was suddenly instituted, the member said, "it would have some hiccups, some stumbling, but it would work."

Could have been said in 1979 Massachusetts, 1985 Iowa, 1993 California, 1999 Colorado, or 2005 Oregon.

[Megahurtz]

21. Whoopee!!!

:party::toast::party:

:sarcasm:

[rrrevolution]

22. A Draft Would Come Back Into Play Because ......

Once we attack Iran, or suffer a terrorist attack at home, the environment will have changed. Once an attack is executed, the dye will be cast and the Congress will realize that the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.

Iran would not be like Iraq. They have a 1/2 Million man army just sitting on the other side of the border with Iraq. Iran has sophisticated weapons to attack our ships, so no "shock and awe" from the ships. Iran has buried weapons deep underground, which cannot be knocked out with certainty by just an airstrike. Iran has already made several alliances with our competitors for its defense in exchange for oil shipments. Iraq would lead the way with an oil embargo against the US, and would shut down the waterway routes needed by oil tankers to deliver oil to the US and the rest of the world.

But the big reason would be a massive loss of life in the US like another 9/11. Or a massive bombing and killing of our troops presently stationed in Iraq. Just imagine the fervor the biased MSM could whip up in no time.

I am very worried as long as GWB and the neo-cons are in control.
You know they didn't appropriate all those millions to modernize and bring up to speed the draft boards just to be safe. Somebody thought it was needed now.

As an aside, did anyone notice that the paper registration forms the SSS distributes through the Post Office requests the registrant to indicate sex "M/F". Hmmmm .... makes you wonder why since they claim females do not have to register. But sure would be handy if they decided to draft females the next time around.

[wli]

31. Cheney's going to order another false flag attack

Also, the draft is supposed to be able to draft women now... they're getting ready to go head-to-head with a very numerous enemy (e.g. SCO/BRIC).

[VegasWolf]

23. Err, why exactly are they "poised" for an "unlikely" event? nt

[IndianaGreen]

25. Draft resistance, and an underground railroad will sprint into action

conscription starts. It is our noble duty to subvert conscription by helping those that do not want to become canon fodder for Bush's wars. I am also prepared to say that a potential draftee is gay or lesbian if that is what it takes to save him/her from the draft. Lying to save a life is not a sin, it is a good deed!

Check with activists in your area. Draft resistance groups are probably in your community, keeping a low profile.

[wli]

32. more likely that they'll draft gays preferentially

They want to kill all the gays anyway. Why wouldn't they?

[beetbox]

30. No Draft No Way- Refuse to Die for Halliburton

Youth have the right to resist conscription to serve in an illegal war of conquest and occupation. They have a right to refuse to be inducted, to refuse to register, and to defy the Selective Service System and any form of the draft. The government has no right to force youth to fight wars driven by corporate greed and an agenda of global empire.
• Young people have the right to expose, resist, and drive off military recruiters who come onto their campuses or into their neighborhoods to lie to them and exploit their economic hardship in order to drag them away to fight on behalf of Wall Street. While many people, including ourselves, recognize that the return of the draft is a real possibility, it is also important to realize that there is already an economic draft, that forces youth from disadvantaged communities into the military because of the lack of job training and education. Addressing the issue of military recruiting must also include challenging racism, economic inequality, and all forms of oppression and exploitation.
• Members of the military have the right to refuse to obey criminal orders to fight in an illegal war of aggression. The antiwar movement has an obligation to support members of the military who resist. We not only support those who resist--we encourage this resistance.

We Won't Go! A Guide to Counter-Recruiting and Draft Resistance - A new handbook and activist toolkit to be published in August 2005.

HELP Publish 10,000 copies

http://www.nodraftnoway.org/