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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:51 PM
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Capital Hawks Split on Iraq Constitution (Family Research Council doubts)
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 12:56 PM by Barrett808
Capital Hawks Split on Iraq Constitution
By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun

WASHINGTON - Iraq's draft constitution is dividing Washington hawks, leading some to openly question President Bush, who has compared the drafters of the charter to America's Founding Fathers.

Of particular concern is a clause in the document that would prohibit laws from contradicting the tenets of Islam, and the prospect that those making such evaluations would be clerics. The provision has raised sharp criticism from groups such as the Family Research Council and Freedom House.

The backlash among supporters of the Iraq war here may not only damage the White House politically, but could call into question Mr. Bush's strategy to work with Shiite religious parties. Certain of those parties, such as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, maintain close ties to the Iranian regime.

In a series of meetings with senior officials here in the last week, including with Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, the director of Freedom House's Center for Religious Freedom, Nina Shea, urged administration members to consider the possibility that Mr. Bush's supporters could lose faith in the war if Iraq emerges as a Shariah state.

"I keep saying that the American people are not going to support a regime where rape victims are either stoned for adultery or forced to marry their rapists, where political dissidents are imprisoned for blasphemy, and where the court testimony of religious minorities is worth half of a Muslim male," Ms. Shea told The New York Sun."The American public is not going to sacrifice for such a regime, nor will it do justice for the promises and vision articulated eloquently by President Bush that Iraq be a new democratic model for the region."

(more)

http://www.nysun.com/article/19143


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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:55 PM
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1. Too bad
These losers have no say in what Iraq wants nor should they.
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pauldavid Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:56 PM
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2. Does this spell the end of neocon rule
or will they ratchet things up a notch? Tune in 1 year from now to find out!
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:01 PM
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5. No
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:21 PM
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11. It might.
I'm not sure how many senior military staff would get behind yet another invasion right now, just to shore up Bush's poll numbers. Bush had better be at least a little worried about a military coup, right here in the U.S.A. Wouldn't that be interesting?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:39 PM
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24. Some of us speculated just that even before the invasion.


Mad George has destroyed our military. It will take a decade for the public to forget and the military to recover. I'm sure many of the top level military staff are spitting mad at * right now.

It's possible they would rebel at another fiasco like this one.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:56 PM
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3. Family Research Council has a problem with it?
Oh I suppose they thought their Christian missionaries were going to foment some sort of change in Iraq... :eyes:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:00 PM
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4. They had this wild idea that Islam wouldnt be the state religion of Iraq
and now that it will be a theocracy, they are angry because they cant implement their own theocracy on Iraq, like they are trying to do here in the US
if Iraq becomes another Iran, you can bet all those christian missionaries will be booted out of Iraq on their keisters. Serves them all right.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:40 PM
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9. Christian missionaries to be executed on sight for heresy against Allah!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:26 PM
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6. What the fuck did they THINK the outcome would be?
The country's 60% Shi'a, fer chrissakes.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:40 PM
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8. Precisely.
The British artifice that we call "Iraq" is about to crack.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:13 PM
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10. Yep. And the results certainly won't be what the neocon fuckwits
had in mind. Instead of a unified Iraq, we're getting East Syria, West Iran, and Greater Kurdistan. Once the middle-east bloodbath subsides in a few years, and we've negotiated a truce with all the new terrorist groups that will have attacked us, Bush will be able to point to Kurdistan with a certain degree of pride--from his jail cell. Assuming the Turks don't invade their asses and wipe them out like they did the Armenians.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:31 PM
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12. I don't know
this country's only 25% wingnut, but they still manage to run the place.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:38 PM
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7. sounds like what the fundies & neocons want to do here, except...
Substitute "Christian" for "Muslim."
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:32 PM
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13. It's what they wanted to do there also. A Christian Iraq and all the oil
we need for life.

I love it! The fuckwads are getting their heads handed to them in a basket!

All those lies, all that energy, all that money spent and for what? Another Islamic republic. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:55 PM
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16. They don't mind another theocracy in Iraq at all n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:27 PM
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14. They richly deserve the fate that awaits them.
I cannot help but be a bit self-satisfied as the neo-con dream swirls slowly down the drainpipe. It's just too bad so many innocent Iraqis had to and will have to suffer or perish because of their imperial scheme.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:29 PM
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15. "Chicken Hawks Split on Iraq Constitution (Family Research Council doubts)
That's how I read it. Funny thing, because it's more appropriate.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:12 PM
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17. Founding Fathers of U.S. were deists, at best
These founding fathers "would prohibit laws from contradicting the tenets of Islam". How many of the dead U.S. soldiers could have realized they were dying for Islam?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:15 PM
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18. Uh-oh, the Hawks don't like their broken Pottery Barn wears....no way!!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:19 PM
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19. I am shocked, shocked, I say to find out that the Stump has once
again proved his facility for messing anything and everything up. Oh, where are the Saudis when he needs them? How did this total "moran" get to be pres?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:23 PM
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20. I can't imagine theocracy bothering the Family Research Council
such hypocrites...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:14 PM
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21. The public execution of gays would probably be well received n/t
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:19 PM
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22. But the adultry issues would be bothersome for Religicans. nt
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:34 AM
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23. Well, the new Iraqi "central government" is thoroughly corrupt, so...
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 11:34 AM by Barrett808
...they should fit right in.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:45 PM
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25. I wonder what the American public reaction will be when they realize


that all the sacrifice that their sons and daughters made went to install an islamic government, with no rights for women, stoning to death for being raped, and only the Kuran permitted in the country.

Prediction: Pissed off.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:13 PM
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26. Our troops died to imposed a radical Islam on Iraq
and we got no cheap gas in return!

I think that should be a campaign slogan against the GOP in 2006!
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