Canada, U.S. wage war of words over lumber

[Spazito]

Prime Minister Paul Martin defended the strong positions his senior cabinet ministers took Friday in the escalating softwood lumber trade dispute with the United States.

Dialogue over softwood lumber between the countries turned downright frosty when the new U.S. ambassador to Canada, David Wilkins, urged politicians here to stop their "emotional tirades" on the issue and get back to the negotiating table.

In a meeting with the Ottawa Citizen's editorial board, Wilkins said Canadian politicians need to tone down the tough rhetoric, saying "emotional press conferences are not going to settle the issue."

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"Are we going to stand together? Are we going to unite?" Emerson told reporters. "Are we going to be stronger than the sum of our parts, or are we going to endlessly be bickering amongst ourselves and allow the bully to basically mop the floor with us?"

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125073280434_120482480/?hub=TopStories

(It looks like the new U.S. Ambassador to Canada is a clone of the disasterous former U.S. Ambassador to Canada, Celluci.)

[marmar]

1. If Canada put up a huge metal barrier from Maine to Washington...

I couldn't blame them! They're much more tolerant of their nutty neighbor than I would be.

[bemildred]

2. Awesome display of Bush style "diplomacy" there. nt

[kitty1]

11. Emotional Tirades huh! Who was gonna "Smoke em out" and bring it on!...

[Greeby]

3. .

Need some wood?



:evilgrin:

[ClusterFreak]

4. The softwood lumber deal has been decided in Canada's favour by the

Nafta arbitration committee (not to mention other decisions previously)! The thing is, the U.S.A won't accept the decision AGAIN!....I'm sick of these ambassadors (remember Celucci?) coming up here and telling us how to act!

[Amonester]

5. I've had a 'freeper type' calling us a "colony" on another board...

eom

[achtung_circus]

34. Search "Canada" by keyword on FR and feel the hate.

I'm not sure why there is this feeling. Surely, our intelligent decision to stay out of the Iraq mess can't be totally responsible.

Our governement was following the wishes of the bulk of the population, you know, democracy.

[Spazito]

37. LOL, I take their feelings about us as a badge of honour

If they hate us it must mean we are doing something right!

[ovidsen]

6. Related item in Saturday's NYT

It's basically saying the US (and it's citizens!) should really be paying more attention to economic relations with Canada, 'cause Canada has what the US needs. Oil. (Duh!)

last paragraph:

Mr. Camarta (head of Shell Canada's oil sands operations in N. Alberta) told (the writer) that Vice President Dick Cheney would visit the oil sands next month. Memo to Mr. Cheney: Can you settle the softwood lumber dispute while you're there? With all that oil, do we really want Canada mad at us?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/27/business/27nocera.ready.html?pagewanted=print

Heh heh. Heh. :evilgrin:

[kbm8795]

7. Oh, the Freepers think we can just invade anyone

and take over. . .even if they won't volunteer for a simple "freedom-loving" long-term excursion into Iraq.

They might be quite surprised how resisting Canadians are to their bullying. . .maybe the Canadians should offer a military base near the U.S. border to the Chinese and Russians - then Bush will get the message.

[Massacure]

9. Canada provides 8% of our oil, but 18% of our natural gas.

If Canada wanted to be mean, they would shut off their natural gas exports to the U.S.

[ovidsen]

10. That's now. Just wait.

The NYC article makes two important points:

1: Canada's oil sands reserves are HUGE, rivalling Saudia Arabia's crude reserves.

2: Saudi production is reaching "the point of diminishing returns", while Canada's potential has barely been tapped.

Cheney had better be on his best behavior when he visits what could evolve into a top US energy source, for crude as well as natural gas.

[Massacure]

30. Oil sands are expensive, energy intensive, and ecologically destructive.

That would not be a good thing to turn to oil sands.

[Spazito]

32. At 60+ dollars a barrel it is considered cost effective enough to

make it worthwhile to 'mine' the oil, so sayeth Shell, Exxon, etc. Seeing as the oil sands are in Alberta, Texas of the north, the environment isn't Ralphie's 1st or even 2nd priority.

[achtung_circus]

35. The break even point on oil sands is $20/barrel. nt

[President Kerry]

38. and add Venezuela's 10% to that.. that'll put us in a whole.

Thank you Mr. Bush, for your incredible bungling of our economy, and so many other things..

[Endangered Specie]

8. 54 40 or fight!

[applegrove]

12. The Ambassador told us not to feel anything. What a toad. What

a hypocrite. There opposition are not aloud to have feelings but every single one of the freepers has gut wrenching feelings on whether michael & bob, or Sheila & Victoria (who the freeper has never met) can get married.

Hypocrites! As soon as they open their mouths it is:

"

One set of rules for them...on set for rules for their opposition

".

Makes me want to scream. Idiot. Asshole. Patsy. Mothball. Jerk. Freeper. Turd-possie. Ass-puppet. Go home!

Your practice of ignoring court decisions on this issue puts many of our families out of work and into poverty. And all because we have a greater supply of trees than you do. And you can't handle trade law when it is not in your favor.

I hope we hit back on corn. Perhaps the people who don't work in lumber anymore can get land and grow corn.

[applegrove]

18. And what is worse..the freeper leader of the neocons in Canada - named

Harper - comes out angry at the U.S. Ambassador but takes the time to blame the Liberals for having poor relations with Bush.

...making himself lookpro canada, anti-neocon, and better able to handle transcontinental trade.

...no....they wouldn't have!

[Spazito]

20. LOL, even his own party doesn't like him anymore

Gosh, I wonder why?



:rofl:

[CHIMO]

22. Must have A Double

Or a triple?

Two pictures, perhaps a day apart.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=84a948e1-6d09-4d5f-9d48-cf4fb589ae74


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050827.wharper27/BNStory/National/

[Spazito]

23. LOL, the lighting in the first pic makes him look like he is less

than healthy and loaded with gray hair. I wonder which pic is more accurate?

[applegrove]

27. I wonder if his neocon friends call him first before they say something

rabit and hypocritical & bullying..so he will have a few days to work out his replies.

[glarius]

31. He went on Fox TV at the time of Iraq invasion and apologized for Canada

not going to war in support of Bushie....I'll never forget him doing that....HOW DARE HE!.....If he had been Prime Minister at the time we would be in Iraq right now!

[achtung_circus]

36. Subsidized corn

as well as subsidized "butteroil". A mixture of subsidized milk fat and subsidized sugar used by the US to end run NAFTA and agriculture provisions.

[VegasWolf]

13. Did our ambassador call the Canadians sissy boys yet?

We have living joke running this country.
:popcorn:

[applegrove]

14. Self Delete

[applegrove]

19. Self Delete

[VegasWolf]

21. What does that have to do with the fact that the US leadership is

filled with fools, is an international joke to the rest of the world,
and makes thunderously stupid statements like calling anyone it disagrees with sissy boys?

[applegrove]

24. Do they really call us sissy boys? I guess that is why I was asking.

Read your post too fast and I thought you were saying... we have a longstanding habit of calling you sissy boys.

Sorry.

[VegasWolf]

25. They call EVERYONE that doesn't agree with PNAC Goals and Objectives

sissy boys.

[applegrove]

26. Sad. I hear they called Bill Clinton a Cracker the whole time he was

President. They hate everyone just so long as they don't have to look into their own dam hearts and take ownership of who they are. Projection.. projection... projection.

[VegasWolf]

28. So true!! and so sad! nt

[VegasWolf]

15. Canada should be VERY AFRIAD of GWB! psst, he's not very stable! nt

[Spazito]

16. The coward is even too afraid to meet with ONE woman and

we should be afraid of him? ROFLMAO!

:rofl:

[VegasWolf]

17. Hey! He has me scared to death! nt

:toast:

[arikara]

33. Hahaha good one...

...afraid of that bully coward!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Bring it on!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

29. Need some wood?

:rofl: