WWL: New Orleans Levee Pump Has Failed Completely; Even Uptown will flood.

[KeepItReal]

All the water coming from Jefferson and Orleans will spill over from breech.

12-15 hrs.water will settle over N.O. at 3ft above sea level.

Meaning St. Charles will have 9 feet of water.

The Bowl Effect is going to happen in N.O. East bank.

- per Mayor Nagin

[AX10]

1. I'm sorry to hear this.

[Blaq Dem]

117. Can you imagine the entire city underwater?

What about the thousands of people in the Super Dome? They're all homeless now. Someone should be moving them out from there. No food, no water, no sanitation, no air conditioning...


And Bush don't even give a damn.

[Nothing Without Hope]

125. All true. And how long will it take to get the water out of the city?

Are any of the pumps still going to be working? You have to pump the water uphill. And what terrible things will they find when the water is finally gone?

I get the feeling that the feds are just writing NO off and don't give a flying damn about the people dead and dying there, in the rest of LA, in AL and in MS. Bush is smiling and smiling in his photo-ops at McCain's birthday party. I'm sure he's sleeping very well tonight.

The horror of this is staggering. I can't get my mind around it. All those people out there right now, desperate for water, not knowing if their families will live or die, not knowing who else has been lost, not knowing how they will recover even if their lives are saved.

I have to wonder how much better the situation would be if the feds had responded as they should have, the promised helicopter delivered sandbags, everything was done to protect the levees and rescue the people. It's obvious that there were massive failures. Was this incompetence and callousness or part of some kind of plan, a LIWOP? Let it worsen on purpose?

I'm just yammering on here. I don't have family in the affected areas, and yet I feel loss and fear. I can't begin to imagine what this must be like for those who are there, those who have evacuated or are in the Dome not knowing what they will come home to, or for those with loved ones that can't be located. Or for the thousands of National Guards in the Middle East trying desperately to find out about their families back home.

[justabob]

134. Yesterday they were saying three months

With the further deterioration will probably take longer.

[fudge stripe cookays]

139. They ARE moving them.

The Super Bowl folks are being moved by bus convoy to the AstroDome in Houston.

FSC

[okieinpain]

147. atlantis

[KeepItReal]

2. Mayor: Sandbags never got to 17th Steet Canal

Damn

[Rose Siding]

5. I just heard him- Frustrated, he said "we're trying to reach the WH"

[sniffa]

14. trying to reach the white house?

[KeepItReal]

15. He couldn't understand where the resources were

He left to find out what happened

[tblue37]

17. What?

How could they not be able to reach the WH?

[halobeam]

19. Oh please tell me this isn't real.

[KeepItReal]

20. I dunno. You'd think the Mayor would have a hotline to the WH by now

Apparently he does not.

[halobeam]

22. WTF!!!! This is just BEYOND....BEYOND.

On Edit..... Recommended. This has to get attention... the mayor can't reach the WH????

[Pharlo]

78. If the Mayor of a US city is unable to reach the 'serving' POTUS

concerning a lack of competent federal leadership while attempting to cope with a natural disaster of this magnitude, does the mayor have the right to request assistance from a foreign government that may assist - such as Mexico or Canada - Oh, and let's not forget Poland.

We need to make Bush's response to Katrina's devestation the equivalent to Putin and Kursk.

[tblue37]

142. Venezuela has offered assistance.

[tgnyc]

143. Nothing shocking here. A black, urban mayor can't reach the WH.

And the sun is hot today.

[okieinpain]

148. they are checking the RNC donation rolls to see if the mayor

has been keeping his dues up to date.

[shadowknows69]

104. George Bush is blatantly costing American lives.

I guess we're still fighting the terrorists here.

[Blaq Dem]

119. Bush wants them dead...

They wouldn't vote for him, remember? Bush's mind is so warped. We see how careless he is with people's lives in Iraq (and the US soldiers' too).

[Megahurtz]

141. OMG! OMG! OMG!

What the fuck is going on? Is the fucking White House abandoning them???

[KamaAina]

89. What about Gov. Kathleen Blanco? Has she tried?

Or are they checking their caller ID and letting all calls from 504 go to voice mail?!

[physioex]

100. Believe it or not, I am not really surprised to hear this.....

And I bet you the federal government doesn't have the resources to help with all the Reserves gone......

[htuttle]

23. Well, part of the problem is that the President ISN'T THERE!

I think by 'White House', he meant 'actually talking to the President', not to whatever secretary they leave behind in DC when they all go to frolic in Crawford.

[halobeam]

25. Right, but we know JUST WHO he meant...

bet even the mayor couldn't form THOSE WORDS...

"I can't reach the President"... Holy OMG.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

41. what? and disturb his golf or baseball?

Who the hell does he think he is, anyway? Doesn't he realize that our feckless leader needs balance in his life, and that we support him in his effort to maintain his trim build?

[goclark]

80. Huum Rudy G. couldn't reach him either nt

[anotherdrew]

35. president Priest and Bunny could do a better job

[gasperc]

66. right he's in Crawford fucking himself while NO gets fucked

Bush is such an imbecile, we can't blame the hurricane on the GOP but we can blame the incompetant response by FMEA and the federal government.
We've been watching this thing for 48 fucking hours, it's been obvious that the risks of avalanching failures could occur in NO, again with the rose petal, rosy scenario bullshit, everything will be ok. FUCK OFF, a hurricane with the force of 100 nukes hit the GULF, this calls for massive federal help

[Nothing Without Hope]

111. My fear is that they are deliberately setting the stage to declare full

martial law under NorthCom. See this thread to see why I'm so scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4519574&mesg_id=4522199
Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.

[Blaq Dem]

120. Maybe he honestly don't know what to do...

After all, he has a head full of puddy.

I suggest Bush call Bill Clinton and ask him what to do. Seriously.

[KansDem]

151. Well, he wasn't there for the Boy Scouts or the Little Leaguers...

...why should he be there for the residents of New Orleans? After all, he said it himself: "Prezedentin' is hard work...!"

[donheld]

27. Sorry nobodies home there

They're probably better off.

[Larkspur]

33. If Gore was president, Al would have been calling the NO's Mayor

and offering him Federal assistance ASAP. Gore would not have waited for the mayor to call him.

I betcha Bush is having his staff wade through the last 5 years bad decisions on funding for New Orleans levee system and the PR debacle Katrina will expose. He's gotta get his staff to develop a plan to salvage his sinking poll numbers.

[lostnfound]

44. If Clinton were pres, he'd have read the disaster plan on Friday night.

If Kerry were press...who knows, since we haven't seen him in an executive role, but he sure wouldn't be playing guitar in California. Perhaps he'd be given pep talks to the National Guard and sweet-talking some corporations into giving up some resources.

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. Sorry, the number you are dialing

is temporarily out of service.

[halobeam]

96. or... temporarily out of its MIND.

[Seabiscuit]

18. Knock knock

who's there?

nobody

nobody who?

nobody's home in Crawford

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. WHY WHY WHY didn't the sandbags get there? Why wasn't the levee manned

by sandbag crews ready to staunch incipinet breaches? Where is the National Guard? Oh, wait, we know where they are.

By the way, Bush's adventures in the Middle East will cost, at a conservative estimate, over a TRILLION dollars assuming a military presence there just 5 more years:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2021276
Thread title: NY Times op/ed: "The Trillion-Dollar War" - How many realize how much{they are paying for Bush's wars in CASH, let alone the deaths, maimings, trauma, and all the other horrors here and abroad?}

That's a thousand billion dollars, and a minimum estimate. Imagine how much hurricane protection and relief a small fraction of that would have bought for LA, AL and MS?

[halobeam]

53. see my post #52....

[NYC]

70. "Too many frickin' chiefs."

Those were the exact words of Mayor Nagin in a telephone interview with WDSU.

Because of the failure to sandbag the levee as agreed, it will take at least an additional 4 weeks before New Orleans is drained.*

By 6:15 p.m., the pump had been flooded.

I'm having trouble staying connected, but I'll edit this to add more info. if I can.

*This is 4 additional weeks that oil production will be interrupted. This should drive the prices even higher.

[Nothing Without Hope]

106. I do see this as a likely LIHOP. They weren't there to shore up the

levee before the storm, and apparently "nobody" saw the gap in the levee until it was huge. Then the promised sandbagging helicopter failed to arrive - and the levee flood worsens. The pump shuts down.

And of course the funding that would have given more protection for those pumps among other critical things, was cut by the Bush Administration.

If you want to see some REALLY sinister implications, check out this thread, and be sure to read the whole thing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574
Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.

Guess what? The commander of NorthCom, an illegal entity with presumed powers over all of North American airspace as well as such trivial matters as mere relief efforts, is the SAME general who was in charge of NORAD on 9/11. (So surely he must have been in the loop on the call-off of the interceptor planes to allow the attack planes their very long flights to NYC and the Pentagon.)

The militarization of the civil authorities is another step toward martial law. And no wonder they did so little to help the people. The National Guard would have worked their hearts out to help the suffering people - but they are off being used for disposable cannon fodder ir Bush's illegal, immoral war of choice.

[NYC]

108. The Pentagon is in charge?

Why?????? This is not a war. We need the National Guard. One of the things the National Guard is known for is sandbagging. Pretty amazing that they didn't do it today, and the consequences are devastating.

What is this about a Bush press conference around midnight?

LIWOP = Let it Worsen on Purpose?

[Nothing Without Hope]

109. Yes to all - I don't know about the press conference. Read through

all of this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4519574&mesg_id=4522199
Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.

The National Guard is not being allowed to perform its primary function of disaster relief. It has been militarized and shipped off to be disposable cannon fodder.

Apparently, NorthCom is in charge. You won't BELIEVE what's going on with that. And its head is the promoted former head of NORAD who supervised the "accidental" massive multiple failures of all air defense mechanisms during the 9/11 attacks. (Odd, that, to be promoted by the neocons instead of being court-martialed. But then I don't think it was accidental at all.)

NorthCom is what will manage martial law if it is declared in the US.

The LIHOP is my own suspicion, which is growing all the time. (Actually, LIWOP - let it worsen on purpose - would be more accurate.) All of this in in the OP plus various replies in the thread linked to above. Read it and see what you think. All of this stuff is new to me and is scaring my socks off.

[NYC]

112. I read it.

It is so difficult to know what is going on.

I suppose part of the way to figure out what is going on is to figure out what the objective is.

At the moment, I am obsessed with the National Guard helicopter not sandbagging the levee as all had agreed they were supposed to. This has devastating consequences. This has guaranteed the "soup bowl" for New Orleans.

Why? Why would anyone delay the sandbagging? Aside from drowning New Orleans, what are the consequences? Four more weeks without oil production and shipping. That means higher prices. So, is that an objective? Was there an objective?

Money is the root of all evil, as they say. Not sandbagging increases the price of gas and oil, higher profits.

Was this just an amazing accidental incompetence that will result in higher profits? Could be.

Why NorthCom? Why NorthCom instead of the National Guard? Maybe because the National Guard is not profit oriented? After all, who are NorthCom's friends and benefactors?

I don't know what is going on, but something is drastically wrong.

[Nothing Without Hope]

118. NorthCom is a Pentagon-run entity that would manage martial law

if it is declared in the US. it is headed by the same general, Eberard, who was in charge of NORAD when it "accidentally" had major, multiple, simultaneous failures to protect airspace at the exact time when the 9/11 planes had their long flights to NYC and the Pentagon.

I think it's LIHOP all right - or as you say, LIWOP - Let It Worsen On Purpose. Those levees were abandoned to break down and flood the city. The Mayor of NO could not reach the President when the promised helicopters carrying sandbags did not arrive. (Gee! another failure of air communication!) Later the flooding broke down the nearby levee pump and this precipitated the massive flooding of parts of NO that had had less flooding before. Now there is a question of whether the Mississippi-side levees will hold out, as the flooding from the earlier levee gap works on them.

What kind of a place are we in when we have to hope that what we are seeing is the result of massive incompetence instead of a far-reaching conspiracy?

If it is incompetence and callousness, it is massive enough to strain credulity. The media are NOT covering this - Bush is being protected. We hear about all those looters. The few National Guards who are there are, from what I heard, supposed to be controlling looting.

Meanwhile, people are continuing to die and the city of New Orleans' condition continues to deteriorate. Bush does NOTHING. No sandbags, nothing. But he will pose as a compassionate, pious hero and be shown as such by the Poodle Press, depend on it.

[NYC]

121. Mayor Nagin is the only one I heard talk about

the National Guard not dropping the sandbags as they were supposed to, and stating what the dire consequences of that failure are.

I watched Nightline. They didn't mention the consequences. They didn't mention the consequences to New Orleans (3 feet above sea level in all places except Algiers) or the 4 extra weeks for any sort of oil production, etc. to be restored.

Last night, someone (don't know who or when) talked about New Orleans as a major shipping port. He said that much grain is shipped from there, and a consequence of this hurricane could be starvation in foreign countries when they don't receive their grain shipments.

Four weeks have now been added to any recovery, and the press is not mentioning it. (Nagin's interview with WDSU is where I heard it.)

Eberhard of Norad was "promoted" to NorthCom. Typical Bush maneuver. This goes well beyond the "Peter Principle."

You said: What kind of a place are we in when we have to hope that what we are seeing is the result of massive incompetence instead of a far-reaching conspiracy?

I can't even answer that question. Hopeless? Condemned? Helpless?

There's something wrong. There's something very wrong. I keep hearing Nagin's voice.

[Nothing Without Hope]

123. I have not been watching TV and don't have cable because I can get

more accurate news online.

I am struck that you did not hear about the extremely important statements of Mayor Nagin anywhere in the major media coverage. Of course, you would not have heard about his inability to reach Bush or the mysterious diversion of the helicopter that was supposed to help block the breach before all hell broke loose. The Poodle Press knows which hands to lick.

This is extremely significant. What you heard Nagin say is far more important than any other of the general public storm coverage could be. It's life and death for NO.

New Orleans is in dire condition now at least partly because of the failure of the federal government to provide emergency relief and protection. Its condition is continuing to deteriorate when the leaks should have been prevented or lessened instead. More people are drowning, more buildings are lost, it becomes more difficult for the city to recover at all. Is this part of what they want? To set up such a desperate disaster that people would tolerate martial law there? I don't know.

It is unforgivable that the media are covering this so as to protect Bush and minimize what is happening in the sites affected. Above all, they seem to want to hide everything about the broken levees being responsible for such devastation in NO and that the feds opted out of protecting them.

No sandbagging crews. No helicopter, despite promises. No president available to the desperate mayor who was witnessing the breakdown of that crucial levee.

Now we have to wait and see if the Mississippi-side levee stretches will hold. From what I've read, the increased flooding from the 17th St Canal levee is endangering those Mississippi levee areas. If they go, what's left?

It all seems to be orchestrated. The National Guard is far away being shot at, and Bush is smiling, smiling, smiling. The networks yammer on but do what they can to make him look good and bury the truth. People are continuing to suffer and die.

Meanwhile, what is happening elsewhere in LA and in MS and AL? Somehow I don't think the feds of this administration are going to give a damn about all those afflicted people. No profit in it. What is happening? Right now there are people desperate for water, in the hot muggy darkness, not knowing if they and their families will live or die. Bush continues his pleasant life and I'm sure is sleeping very comfortably.

[NYC]

126. I don't have cable. Probably saw what I saw on Ch. 7 ABC or PBS.

The Nagin interview was on WDSU radio/television. (I get audio only.) I was surprised nobody interviewed Nagin on television, but maybe he was too busy. Kathleen Blanco was on Nightline, though, and she is busy.

To hear what Nagin said on mainstream television would mean that they would have to include some of the things Nagin said such as not being able to reach Bush after sandbagging failure. Also, how could they avoid reporting the consequences as clearly and unequivocally stated by Nagin? Were it not for the lack of sandbagging, New Orleans would not become a guaranteed soup bowl. The flooding would have stayed where it was. Now, even the "good" neighborhoods will flood. There will be 9 feet of water on St. Charles Avenue. This would not have happened if the sandbagging was done.

Re life or death for New Orleans, I think now it is only death. By 6 or 9 a.m. Eastern, the soup bowl should be filled. (The only exception is Algiers, and I don't understand why.)

What will happen if the Mississippi side gives way? I haven't heard much about that. Will the water get even deeper? How much more will this really matter? Will the water rush in? Rushing water would drown more people.

By the way, the Coast Guard man I saw, Jonathan Ptak (or something like that), said they have night vision goggles. He was on Nightline.

Blanco is more concerned about bringing in food and water than getting people out, which leads me to believe that they just can't get people out yet.* Maybe tomorrow, I don't know. (Or maybe because bringing in food is faster than taking people out.) So, does that mean those people will be at the mercy of Mississippi levee breaks?

Re muggy darkness, they actually had a break today because right after a hurricane, the weather is cooler and drier. It will worsen tomorrow. I think it reached 98 degrees today. People were sitting on rooftops in the sun. It's a living hell in so many ways, and getting worse in every way.

*Someone on DU mentioned buses leaving the Superdome. Is that so? I can't find anything about it. I'm not good at streaming things. I tend to lose the connection. So, I haven't been listening to WDSU since the last time I got disconnected from the net.

Nightline did not mention the complaints we have been reading in previous articles on DU about the National Guard going to Iraq and taking their equipment with them.

[NYC]

127. Talking about a barge on WDSU.

I have conncected to WDSU again. They are talking about bringing in a barge to jam up the levee breach.

Someone on DU mentioned the Dutch damming a dike with 2 ships during WW2. If she could think of it, why couldn't the government? That may have been as long as 24 hours ago.

Also, they are repeating what I heard earlier that the suicide in the Superdome was not a suicide, but an accident because the man tried to jump from one level to the level below. ???

They are mentioning the water levels in different neighborhoods. Talking about the gasoline in the water, the fumes, and having it on your skin.

National Guard said they "cannot respond" to Children's Hospital request re looters. Radio people don't know why.

Helicopters are landing on the roof of Tulane Hospital every 20 minutes to pick up patients, but announcer is not sure. Generators are off in Tulane Hospital. Charity Hospital is in total darkness with sewage around.

A pawn shop is burning. As of 4 hours ago, engineers are searching for a barge to plug the 17th St. levee.

Blanco: First goal is to bring in enough supplies until they can develop a network to get them out. (That's a repeat.)

Barge is the only new news.

[Nothing Without Hope]

128. Thank you. It sounds like plugging the levee is now sort of moot

The water has been pouring in all this time while they dithered and apparently no sandbags were ever added.

The massive failures of the feds to respond has killed many people and made the possibility of New Orleans' recovery far more problematic. So much suffering could have been averted with quick, smart action as soon as hurricane warnings came through. Better still if the National Guards had been there with their equipment as they should have been. It's wrong on so many levels that they were stolen by * for being killed in his immoral, illegal war. In fact, I question whether the deployment of the National Guard, which is supposed to protect US citizens and property, to a foreign country was EVER legal. But Congress and media were licking Bush's boots as usual and let it all happen.

How long will it take for the true story to be told? So far, looks like the major media are being careful to avoid the truth and are misstating and suppressing things to protect Bush and underestimate both the extent of damage and the lost opportunities to prevent it. We must see to it that these truths come out.

If I hear one more cork-headed, smarmy pundit or chirpy "Heather" type on national TV rave about how New Orleans was lucky that the storm moved to the east, I won't be responsible for my actions. "Dodge the bullet"? Not with the feds making sure the damage was as extensive as possible. I do think it's looking like LIWOP. And Bush surely is tickled pink about something.

[NYC]

129. Mayor's complaint has made CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.levees/index.html

...But Nagin said a repair attempt was supposed to have been made Tuesday.

According to the mayor, Blackhawk helicopters were scheduled to pick up and drop massive 3,000-pound sandbags in the 17th Street Canal breach, but were diverted on rescue missions. Nagin said neglecting to fix the problem has set the city behind by at least a month.

"I had laid out like an eight week to ten week timeline where we could get the city back in semblance of order. It's probably been pushed back another four weeks as a result of this," Nagin said.

"That four weeks is going to stop all commerce in the city of New Orleans. It also impacts the nation, because no domestic oil production will happen in southeast Louisiana."...



It sounds as though the Army Corps of Engineers is now in no hurry to plug the breach, but by 9 a.m. Eastern, the full soup bowl effect should be complete. I guess if they don't plug the breach, they can't pump it out, so it still needs to be plugged, but the urgency is gone now.

At least Nagin's complaint has made it into print.

[Nothing Without Hope]

130. Plans to allow New Orleans to be damaged by storms and floods

appear to date back at least several years. In addition to the other threads I and others have posted on how the Bush Administration cut funding for disaster protection and relief, here's a new one. So far it only has 3 votes, and it's buried in the Editorial Forum - it deserves a wider audience:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x151655
Thread title: 9/28/04 La should have received FEMA disaster mitigation grants, but got 0
paineinthearse Editorials Tue Aug-30-05 12:25 PM

Even just the excerpt given in the OP shows that this is a long-term policy of the Bush Administration. No explanation for denial of the funds was given. The money still went to places like Texas and California, but despite all evidence suggesting that they should be first in line, NOTHING for New Orleans. it's more than an outrage, it's more evidence suggesting a conspiracy of some kind.

[NYC]

146. Now has 14 recommendations.

Yes, it is more than an outrage. So is the delay in sending help to New Orleans. Navy ships could have been sent Sunday night or Monday morning.

This whole thing is an outrage.

[Nothing Without Hope]

110. As NYC suggests, "LIWOP" - Let It Worsen On Purpose - may be a more

accurate description of my suspicions.

What kind of a place are we in, that we can hope so hard that what we are seeing unfold is mere INCOMPETENCE?

[rocktivity]

3. As I said on 9/11

I am saddened, but not shocked.

:(
rocknation

[brentspeak]

4. Could the levee have been improved prior the hurricane?

Built higher, reinforced somehow? So that hurricanes like this wouldn't have turned into disaster?

[KeepItReal]

6. Our Federal Govt. cut funding to N.O. Levee District - we'll never know

Check for the threads here on D.U.

[calimary]

13. Here's a good one. There are several

Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567

[Nothing Without Hope]

43. Here are some of the threads on the cut funding:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4482567
Thread title: Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)
Posted by barbaraann GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 12:23 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042880
Thread title: New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush
Posted by usregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4490119
Thread title: Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans
Posted by Lori Price CLG GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2042922
Thread title: DU media Blast Bush's cuts to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
sregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974
thread title: Hold Bush accountable for the flooding of New Orleans!
saracat GD-P Tue Aug-30-05 04:36 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4517048
thread title: Cuts to the Army Corps of Engineers... not a politicization, just
4MoronicYears GD Forum Tue Aug-30-05 08:44 PM

[Eloriel]

48. A few more

(one redundant, I think):

MST READ: When the levee breaks
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html

Disaster in the Making#
http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html

rethug defunding of disaster planning & emerg. mgmt. aggravated Katrina (several links)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4493298

Hold Bush accountable for the flooding of New Orleans!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2045974
Link: http://www.sfbg.com/38/52/news_fema.html

New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2042880&mesg_id=2042880
Link: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050606/ai_n14657367

I don't get it. All these years and NO FUCKING PLANS????
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4514528

[KamaAina]

88. Plaster this all over the Internets

Actually, for once, Bush**-bashing is not tops on my list right now, but if his criminal incompetence contributed to this in any way... :grr: :banghead: :nuke:

[shavedape]

150. KEEP THIS MEME ALIVE!

this has got to get into the MSM!

[rocktivity]

8. Clinton made preparations to deal with the problems

but Bush defunded them, as per these articles.

:(
rocknation

[Tai-chi]

10. When the levee breaks

Your tax dollars at work...and politics and priorities.

When the levee breaks

"Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. (Much of the research here is from Nexis, which is why some articles aren't linked.)

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes."

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002331.html

[Rose Siding]

11. Yes. Landrieu spoke of it 2 months ago-

Shrinking La. Coastline Contributes To Flooding

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 30, 2005; Page A07

Two months ago, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) told an audience of congressional staffers and scientific experts the federal government needs to spend billions of dollars over the next two decades to restore her state's wetlands. She warned that intentional rerouting of the Mississippi River over the past century, coupled with rising sea levels due to climate change, had eroded Louisiana's natural buffer against massive storms.

"This is not Disneyland. This is the real deal," Landrieu said, referring to New Orleans's vulnerability to hurricanes. "The French Quarter could be under 18 feet of water. It would be lost forever."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4516781

[moc]

7. Oh no

I used to live in Uptown.

:cry:

[KeepItReal]

12. St. Charles and Canal Street were OK, but now they may be lost

...until some solution is found to drain the area.

[kskiska]

21. Me too. Nashville Avenue.

I lived in NOLA on two occasions – once Uptown, and once on Dauphine on the fringes of the Quarter. Fantastic experience. I loved it there. Tough town to work in, though. Low wages and high sales taxes, though hardly any property taxes.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

94. Nashville Ave?- my best friend when we were growing up lived there

:hi: He lived on Nashville Ave. right near Magazine street-the 1000 block-Guess that their family home is getting flooded as we speak.

[kskiska]

153. I was up at the other end near Fountainbleu Drive

:hi:
Pretty good area and a really nice second-floor apartment in a 2-family house. I haven't heard anything from anyone I know down in NOLA. I hope they got out okay.

[David Zephyr]

9. Good grief!

:-(

[rodeodance]

37. Grief for all.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. "Now watch this drive" comes to mind for some reason..... nt.

[Caution]

24. According to the mayor this is the worst case scenario

for the city. an additional 9-12 feet of water will flow into the city.

[halobeam]

26. The Mayor is trying to reach the President and CAN'T???

Please...someone else recommend this page..

[chalky]

30. Done.

n/t

[WindRavenX]

28. WTF is that fuckin' Wanker W doing?

:grr: :grr:

Impeach his fuckin' sorry ass NOW.

[chalky]

36. What's he doing? Why fiddling while Rome burns, of course...

Or jamming while the south floods..

?
President Bush, left, plays a guitar presented to him by Country singer Mark Wills, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

to-may-to, to-mah-to.

The bastard.

[Theres-a]

62. I am so embarrassed

Worthless piece of idiotic moran.Has he no shame?

[Writer]

29. I am so mad! So so mad! My entire family's houses were wiped out!

I have family who resided in Uptown, near Audubon Park, Gentilly East, Houma, etc. Chalmette... Kenner, Metairie. Their houses are all GONE!

I was hoping - praying - that a few of their houses would be spared. The one's in Uptown... the historical mansions there!

This ASSCLOWN in the White House takes a fucking trip to California and is jpreparing his politically-tuned notes to deal with this tragedy.

Fuck you, George! When I was in NYC on 9/11 we asked "where's the president?" We saw the mayor but WHERE WERE YOU? Preparing your goddamned politically-tuned talking points and photo ops.

You damned jerk. Go to hell.

[KeepItReal]

32. My best friend is about to lose his house near Tulane U.

Audobon Zoo, Tulane U, Loyola U, St. Charles steetcar, you can add them all to the list of wipe-outs.

Now Canal Street, Bourbon Street, and French Quarter are going under too.

[Zhade]

47. Wow, that sucks, man.

I don't agree with your politics, but damn, I'm sorry to hear this.

[BillZBubb]

86. Don't agree with his politics? Why are you here?

[Zhade]

87. Writer, unless I'm mistaken, is a DLCer.

I am not a fan of the DLC or its favored policies, to say the least. However, it sucks that his family lost their homes. Just because I disagree with his politics doesn't mean I want that to happen (not that you said I do).

As to why I'm here: I'm a liberal, and a progressive. Nuff said.

[BillZBubb]

138. My bad, then.

I went from the context of the messages. He was saying many not so nice (but true) things about Bush. I interpreted your response as disagreement with that.

I didn't realize you had prior knowledge of the original writer's position. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

[Zhade]

145. Hey, absolutely no worries, my friend.

The only reason I made the point was to let him know that even those of us who don't care for his views that much still sincerely feel for him and his family.

I didn't get worked up over your comment. We're ALL upset and devastated right now. Don't sweat it for a second.

Peace!

[Psephos]

90. You may be intelligent and honorable, but your question is a P.O.S.

All viewpoints that are offered civilly can and should be tolerated. The ones we don't agree with help us sharpen our arguments, and renew our convictions. The alternative is to run an ideological purity camp.

Look up the word liberal again if you forgot what it means. Just a thought.

Peace.

[BillZBubb]

137. Well Excuse MEEEEE!!!!

I was under the impression this was a sight for progressives, not Bush apologists. Doesn't it say that in the sight rules?

If you want to waste your time "sharpening" your arguments with right wingers there are plenty of other venues for that. Democratic Underground should be a place where we don't have to waste bandwidth on right wing bullshit.

[NYC]

31. Recommended. Listen to radio report:

http://www.wdsu.com/video/4907831/detail.html

That is the only report I can hear. Mayor is not on there. They spoke of the 9 feet of water expected when pumps fail.

[halobeam]

39. This horror didn't need the "cat. 5"......

Four days ago, this was a sorry ass country, now it doesn't even rate that term. You know, I don't mean this country as much as I mean the idiot in charge and his goonies... I believe the country is made up ninety-nine percent of people who have a heart and KNOW how to use it. We will overcome. We WILL OVERCOME.

[sunnystarr]

38. Updates at this site

8:04 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Unhappy that the helicopters slated to drop 3,000-pound bags into the levee never showed up to stop the flow of water. Too many chiefs calling shots he says

7:59 P.M. - Mayor Nagin: Pumps at 17th street canal has failed and water will continue pouring into the city. Nine feet of water is expected on St. Charles Avenue that will be nine feet high. Water is expected to spread throughout the east bank of Orleans and possibly Jefferson Parish.



http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

[belle]

40. This makes me just sick.

[Nothing Without Hope]

46. This is beyond horrible. The whole thing looks almost deliberate.

I mean, look how happy * looks with his cake and his presidential-seal guitar. Is he GAINING something from this tragedy? I can think of some possibilities. It just seems that even total carelessness couldn't account for this level of late damage and utter lack of support from federal government. There was a long warning time when they KNEW this hurricane would hit, yet they did NOTHING. I saw one poster who even wondered if the levee had been deliberately broken.

The level of callousness and carelessness in the face of so much death - the death of people RIGHT NOW and perhaps the death of a city - is so striking, I have to wonder.

[chalky]

49. The new LIHOP.

n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

51. It's horrible to contemplate but I do wonder. Is it ONLY that he doesn't

give a damn, or did he stand to gain something? With 9/11, the gains were very, very obvious and went beyond even his "trifecta." With the lack of protection and response in NO and throughout LA, AL and MS, is it JUST nonchalance plus depleted National Guard and resources, or do they stand to profit?

[54anickel]

56. What is this Bush/guitar thing about? I missed something.

[chalky]

59. See post #36. Notice the date.

n/t

[54anickel]

71. Thanks. He really doesn't give a shit, does he? What's he done

thru this entire hurricane threat? Oh yeah, he called Blanco just hours before it was going to hit to tell her "hey, ya might wanna tell yer folks to get the hell outta Dodge - ain't like we got a lotta extra National Guard troops floatin' around or anything to fish their asses outta a jam".

[Nothing Without Hope]

68. In addition to frolicking with the cake, Bush was also doing something

with a guitar. The guitar has a presidential seal on it, so it's probably a gift. Here's my favorite version of the picture - load it, then wait a bit for a series of captioned thought balloons pop up. Hilarious - but Bush did look so cheery and the help for the devastated southern areas was so pathetically little and so late, I am starting to wonder about LIHOP, maybe even the levee breaks, which came late.

here's the post with the guitar picture and the sequence of thought balloons:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4515325&mesg_id=4516826

[aquart]

50. They didn't SHOW UP???

No disaster plan at all, was there?

[sunnystarr]

69. I couldn't believe it when I read it

and I wondered how much worse the leak is now and would the sandbags be enough. There doesn't seem to be coordination and the poor Mayor is doing all he can to make things happen. I can't imagine his frustration and despair.

I know they'll try to sell us on the idea that 6,000 of LA National Guard in Iraq weren't needed. The deployment to Iraq cut their NG in half. Neighboring states need their NG. With so many to rescue and the dead unattended, it seems to me like there aren't enough.

I also wonder why so many police and NG are active in the looting and aiding the looters. Do they feel so overwhelmed that it's sort of a "fuck it I'll just help myself to what I can get"?

[Zhade]

92. Someone needs to go to JAIL for that!

You gotta know people died because of someone not doing their job.

:mad:

[FloridaPat]

55. Where are the helicopters? Iraq? They could have gotten them from

most of the US by this point. Maybe there were out looking at the oil wells. Someone was.

[AuntiBush]

45. This is Super Sad! WH is too busy with that new bill coming up!

Yeah. Too busy planning that sneak attack bill to PRIVATIZE our Social Security! Our leadership is a totally immoral disgrace!

[halobeam]

52. Just said on CNN ... the helicopters that were to drop the bags of sand

were diverted for search and rescue. There doesn't seem to be enough help. Great f'in plans. Not enough people to help. Ugh.

[KeepItReal]

54. The breech in levee was supposed to be TOP priority: To save MORE LIVES

That's why the mayor was visibly frustrated.

[chomskysright]

65. Louiseeeeana: they're trying to wash us away:Randy Newman: need a KINGFISH

...AIN'T NO STANDARD OIL MEN GONNA RUN THIS STATE....GONNA BE RUN BY LITTLE FOLKS LIKE ME AND YOU...

HERE COME THE KINGFISH.....THE KINGFISH.....

LA NEED A FUCKING KINGFISH BUTT KICKING DEM THAT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT will be trying to get in touch with.

Newman's incredible, still, Good Ole Boys album

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. The people who would be helping are in the Middle East serving as

disposaable cannon fodder. This is supposed to be the primary function of the National Guard, OUR National Guard. Congress allowed it to be co-opted for the neocons' immoral war of choice.

But the level of carelessness about what was and is happening in the hurricane-devasted areas is so frigging high, I am beginning to wonder about LIHOP for the lack of aid and maybe even the levee breaks. How would Bush and his buddies gain? Oil prices? Cheap land? Clearing out a bunch of Dem voters? No-bid rebuilding contracts? Bush surely did look cheerful as he ate cake and played on his presidential seal guitar. What did he gain?

Yes, I know he's a sociopath and clueless about other people's suffering - but even for him, this seems over the top.

LIHOP?

[KamaAina]

91. From earlier today, there are oil co. helicopters all over La.

And what are they doing? As DUer Gary Seven put it, "waiting to fly some Exxon executive to play golf in Aruba this weekend." :grr: :banghead:

[garthranzz]

57. I live(d) 1/2 mile from St. Charles Avenue.

[satya]

67. So sorry for what you're having to endure. I can't possibly imagine what

this must be like for you.

:grouphug:

[Zhade]

95. Sorry, my friend.

Seems like there's too much tragedy to go around.

Welcome to DU, though.

[markus]

58. Update on breech coming on WWL-TV streaming @ 9:45 am

Announced as coming next at this time CDT. Right now updates from the police on looting.

[raccoon]

136. Am I the only one who thinks the media hoes are harping

on the looting? Hyping it as much as they can?

[BrightKnight]

60. Why don't they use water filled coffer dams?

http://www.waterstructures.com/

Not a single sand bag was dropped?

[hootinholler]

72. WOW!!

Thanks for that link!

I wonder if they Have it on hand and have contacted the Mayor?

-Hoot

[BrightKnight]

82. I sent an email to the company.

I advised them to contact the government if they felt their product might be helpful in shoring up the levees, protecting the pump stations, containing the open sewage treatment plants, etc..

[buddysmellgood]

73. very cool. I was thinking they could float in barges loadedwith sandbags

and sink them, but I like these waterstructures better.

[buddysmellgood]

132. I should work for the Army Corps

To repair one of the levees holding back Lake Pontchartrain, officials late Tuesday dropped 3,000-pound sandbags from helicopters and hauled dozens of 15-foot concrete barriers into the breach. Maj. Gen. Don Riley of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said officials also had a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hol

[Nothing Without Hope]

61. In the Monday night show, Keith Olbermann referred to the cuts in funding:

Excerpt from the August 29 show transcript, from this page: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9133459

(snip)

It is too ironic for words. The expected height of the storm surge was cut in half, meaning Gulfport, Louisiana, was only under 12 feet of water, not 24 or 25, and the windows flying off the skyscrapers of New Orleans like confetti, and the tiles rattling from the roof of the Super Dome, are thus only flying perils, and not signs the buildings might be collapsing.

And Katrina, the category 5 hurricane, was downgraded to category 4. Good news, especially in light of the fact that three months ago, the federal government cut the budget of the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project by 70 percent, and eliminated the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers study to determine how to protect the New Orleans area from a category 5.

(snip)

[super simian]

63. Hurricane George!

Hurricane George: Nation Destroyer

Newsflash: Hurricane Central has just announced that it has added a new category to comprehend the devastating impact of Hurricane George. Up until now the most powerful hurricane was category 5, catastrophic.

But category 5 storms only destroy geographic areas, whereas category 6 storms, like Hurricane George, can devastate the entire infrastructure of a major industrialized nation.

This is accomplished though ignoring and/or contradicting all of the established and recognized wisdom of experts -- such as scientists, meterologists, physicians, members of the intelligence community, military strategists, etc. -- in favor starting illegal wars to enrich yourself and your friends, dismantling all environmental protections also to enrich yourself and your fellow corporate mobster pals, dismantling public education, abridging civil liberaties on behalf of so-called homeland security, rigging elections, winning public office by smearing your opponents, giving great big fat tax breaks to the wealthiest one percent, bankrupting the government, allowing corporate mobsters like Halliburton to plunder the national treasury, pretending myths like creationism are facts and facts like global warming are myths, underfunding and/or eliminating all social services, sending young men and women to fight, kill, and die on foreign soil for no reason, and going on two-hour bike rides every day to have fun and look fit and bronzed while the rest of the nation goes to hell in a hand cart.

Category 6 storms are formed when diva sockpuppets like George Bush come under the influence of evil suckcurrents like Karl Rove.

[drm604]

77. Great post super simian!

You should start a new thread with that post. It deserves its own thread.

[super simian]

101. Thank you!

I just want to get the word out, I don't know how to start my own thread, but thanks for your reply, I'm glad someone heard me!

[LibDemAlways]

102. Outstanding post....and deserves

its own thread in General Discussion. Just go to GD and hit "post." Retype what you typed here to start a new thread.

[super simian]

144. Thanks I did it! n/t

[tedzbear]

74. Remember "When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin?

Anyone got the lyrics? It was an old blues song Led Zep recorded on Zozo.

Something like, "Mama, you got no place to go...?"

[tedzbear]

75. Here are the lyrics:

If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break,
When The Levee Breaks I'll have no place to stay.

Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.

Don't it make you feel bad
When you're tryin' to find your way home,
You don't know which way to go?
If you're goin' down South
They got no work to do,
If you don't know about Chicago.

Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
Now, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.

All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin' about me baby and my happy home.
Going, going to Chicago... Going to Chicago... Sorry but I can't take you...
Going down... going down now... going down....

[mountainvue]

83. I've been thinking about that song all day. n/t

[Atlas Mugged]

135. That one WAS haunting me....

...now it's Blind Faith's 'Can't Find My Way Home'.

[SoCalDem]

76. No one's home

and even if they were, they don;t care about those things..they are interested in war and oil..

[Kool Kitty]

79. Imagine, if you would-

that Jeb Bush was the governor of Louisiana. Think the aid would be coming in just a wee bit quicker? You bet your sweet ass it would.

[Endangered Specie]

81. Has there been any word on the Mississippi levees...

I know whats happening now sounds VERY bad, but, if the Miss levees fail, believe me it would get even WORSE.

If both levees fail there will never be a New Orleans in at least a couple years.

[GumboYaYa]

84. That's my big worry.

It sounds like it is geting high in the French Quarter, which means water is going to be sitting pretty high on the MS levee down there.

If that levee gives way, it is a much worse situation, as hard as that is to fathom.

[GumboYaYa]

85. That's my big worry.

It sounds like it is geting high in the French Quarter, which means water is going to be sitting pretty high on the MS levee down there.

If that levee gives way, it is a much worse situation, as hard as that is to fathom.

[htuttle]

133. I've read several reports of failures on the Mississippi river levees

On the aerial map I saw last night, there was a failure on the MS river side to the east (and south) of where the levee failed on the lake side.

[etch a sketch prez]

93. This sucks so much.

I attended Tulane University and graduated just two years ago. My uncle lives on Nashville Ave. and Magazine St. Thankfully he escaped to Atlanta, but his apartment will likely be damaged. I also have friends who live on Robert St., a mere 5 blocks from St. Charles. I despise President Nero so much!

[Raster]

98. Welcome to DU. Sorry it couldn't be under better conditions.

:hi:

[Mr Rabble]

97. recommended

[nonconformist]

99. This is just unimaginable horror.

Recommended, lots of good links posted in this thread that everyone needs to see.

[Joebert]

103. Per WWLTV: Some residents can get essentials, but no return for 30days

Jeff Parish President. Residents will probably be allowed back in town in a week, with identification only, but only to get essentials and clothing. You will then be asked to leave and not come back for one month.


http://www.wwltv.com/

[Nothing Without Hope]

105. Guess who's in charge of NorthCom, which is supposed to be providing

disaster relief since OUR National Guard has been militarized and sent out for cannon fodder. Answer: the same general who was in charge of NORAD on 9/11 - so he must have been in on any conspiracy to call off interceptor planes.

There's much more, I'm really scared about the implications. I recommend reading through this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574
Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.

I have a feeling that this is very, very significant. Be sure to read through the linked article on NorthCom in the replies in that thread - this has been going on silently and it is HUGE. I believe that this is another piece that we have not been taking into consideration.

And no wonder the suffering people of the hurricane areas have received such minimal assistance and no help in preparing for the storm. And yes, I do begin to suspect LIHOP in this to at least some extent - did that levee HAVE to break? The helicopter that was supposed to drop the sandbag on it never arrived; that was one of the things the mayor was trying to ask the POTUS about.

[grasswire]

107. manipulation of oil prices?

Knowing now that Bush isn't responding to the entreaties of the MAYOR, we must follow the money. My bet is that this is a LIHOP in order to manipulate oil prices.

Didn't someone cite a movie plot yesterday based on this very scenario?

[Nothing Without Hope]

116. That's one benefit. There is also distraction from schemes like

sneaking social security "reform" through, destroying the national parks ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4498464 ), and many other pleasures, like, say, attacking iran (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2037110).

There is also the solidification of the precedent that the National Guard is militarized and shipped away to be cannon fodder in a foreign country while NorthCom, an illegal and enormously powerful entity that would be managing martial law if it is declared in the US, takes control of "relief" efforts. More on this here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4519574
Thread title: Think about the implications of this: Nat'l Guard in Iraq, NorthCom HERE.

Oh, there are lots of very, very scary possibilities that would all explain Bush's obvious good cheer. You could see it in his face at his party while people were dying for lack of help and the levee was breaking down for lack of reinforcement.

[ngGale]

113. We the people...

used again. :scared:

[cyr330]

114. Did he actually say that?

Uptown usually doesn't flood too badly.

[NYC]

122. Every place except Algiers

will have water 3 feet above sea level.

St. Charles Avenue is 6 feet below sea level, so will be under 9 feet of water. Same arithmetic for every other location, with the exception of Algiers.

That was what Mayor Nagin said. This should occur by 6-9 a.m. Eastern.

[cyr330]

115. Death Toll

I know this is morbid, but has anybody heard any estimate on the death toll as of right now? I have a friend who's a nurse at Tulane University Medical Center. They were evacuating ALL of their patients today to either Lafayette or to Houston. He told me via cell phone that there had been "bodies and cars floating in the street."

[rfkrfk]

124. who decided not to put floodgates on this canal? n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

131. repost: Plans to allow New Orleans to be damaged by storms and floods

appear to date back at least several years, judging by the huge cuts in grants/project funds for protection and relief.. In addition to the other threads I and others have posted on how the Bush Administration cut funding for disaster protection and relief, here's a new one. So far it only has 3 votes, and it's buried in the Editorial Forum - it deserves a wider audience:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x151655
Thread title: 9/28/04 La should have received FEMA disaster mitigation grants, but got 0
paineinthearse Editorials Tue Aug-30-05 12:25 PM

Even just the excerpt given in the OP shows that this is a long-term policy of the Bush Administration. No explanation for denial of the funds was given. The money still went to places like Texas and California, but despite all evidence suggesting that they should be first in line, NOTHING for New Orleans. it's more than an outrage, it's more evidence suggesting a conspiracy of some kind.

[Karenina]

149. It's not a "conspiracy theory"

it's PUBLIC RECORD. The destruction of New Orleans is LIHOP.
Wiping entire areas out is the specialty of the *NWO. Look at Haiti, then Iraq, AND NOW New Orleans.

WHO CANNOT FINALLY GET THAT BEING "AMERICAN" DOES NOT OFFER ANY PROTECTION FROM THE DEATH-DEALING AND EXPLOITIVE POLICIES OF THESE *MANIACS WHO HAVE SET THEMSELVES ABOUT TO TAKE OVER THE GLOBE???

Crib notes: Looter=Insurgent=Nigger=Turrist=SHOOT TO KILL.

'Scuse me for shouting. I'm getting old and onery.

Just saw another one: =Gunmen.

They run film. NONE OF US KNOWS what the people pictured are REALLY ABOUT. They assign values and replay the "welfare queen in her Cadillac" worst case scenarios AD INFINITUM, a technique refined under St. Ronnie.

*co is invested in a RACE WAR. They have been for nearly a century. Anyone who thinks that's a stupid idea needs to get up to speed REAL QUICK. Now before anyone gets his knickers in a twist, understand clearly that if you are as white as rice and NOT a part of their immediate circle, you ain't NOTHIN' but a nigger unless you can be used to advance their agenda. See, "race" is but a construct...

Louisiana has some EXTREME constructs on this issue and the *dauphin's folks have "think-tanked" it to the death you are currently witnessing.

[Roland99]

140. Answers from Army Corps of Engineers on unwatering New Orleans

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/083005cccawwlunwatering.45718845.html

Q.1. How long will it take to get the water out of New Orleans?

A.1. We are unsure. A number of factors play into this. First, Lake Pontchartrain is at roughly 4.5 feet above sea level and falling. The city is at a lower elevation so water will continue to flow into it until it equalizes.

Once the breach on the 7th Street Canal is closed, Pump Station 6 can pump 10,000 cubic feet per second.

Once the breaches are closed and all of the pumps are running, the pumps can lower the water level ½ inch per hour or about a foot per day. We can get the water level to sea level in four and a half days. The ½ inch rate assumes the late is at normal levels. That would create pumping inefficiency, as could trash in drains and canals that feed into the pump stations.

More info at the site.

[cyr330]

152. Pump Repairs

I heard on TV before the storm that it could take about 120 days to repair the pumps in order to start pumping water. Has anybody else heard this, or is it just a bunch of CNN bullshit?