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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:50 PM
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Australians tell of panic and squalor among refugees
A Sydney woman caught in New Orleans was in shock after a man apparently fell to his death metres away from where she was standing in the city's Superdome sports stadium.

Vanessa Cullington, 22, from Castlereagh, was travelling after spending the American summer as a camp counsellor in Maine. Using a borrowed mobile phone, she described to her boyfriend, Toby Salmon, a growing sense of panic and chaos in the Superdome.

She said those who had taken refuge there were struggling to remain calm without power, flushing toilets or air-conditioning and with little food and water. The Los Angeles Times reported that "at least" two people had been raped.

"She was pretty distressed," Mr Salmon said. "She was crying and really freaked out by the situation, just not knowing how long she'd be there. She has concerns for her safety. It all sounded crazy. That guy had just jumped and died. She said some people were out of control."

Mr Salmon, who said he was "angry" at a lack of information from the Government on stranded Australians, will fly from Sydney to Los Angeles this morning. From there he will fly to Houston, where he hopes to be reunited with Ms Cullington.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/australians-tell-of-panic-and-squalor-among-refugees/2005/09/01/1125302683884.html
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:46 PM
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1. The shame for our government grows.
The world must be astounded by the idiots refusal of aid.

Pure evil is in charge. I deeply hope that ALL wake up now.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:49 PM
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2. Tony Zambado on MSNBC
...had a remarkable report in which he - clearly overwhelmed and distraught - just laid it out how desperaste people were, how law-abiding, how supportive, how united people were. good counterpart to those who focus on the edges. His story had depth and humanity and compassion.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:02 PM
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3. here's another good on scene report from last night - WDSU: ---- > MP3
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:05 PM
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5. Yes they are.... I think that today, the outrage is so
well known around the country that the Gov can't avoid the problem anymore. Some of the people are only just now getting out via some buses. A little help ALL TOO LATE.

OUTRAGEOUS!
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:02 PM
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4. Thank goodness for that... I wrote to MSNBC
and told them what their CIVIC duty SHOULD be. Stop repeating the lawlessness mime and start showing the actual CATASTROPHE unfolding with the serious lack of help for those folks.

My aim was that they stop avoiding the real problems: PREZ AND AGENCIES ARE NOT RESPONDING. It looks like a few reporters are starting to press that point home now...albeit in subtle ways.

I do NOT understand why someone either in Media or from another source (local authorities?) won't find their balls and stand up to ask neighboring people to COME AND HELP GET PEOPLE OUT...OR bring ice and food and water. If I lived in the south or east, I WOULD FIGHT MY WAY IN TO HELP SOMEBODY! If I were sure I'd be faced by armed guards preventing me from bringing help....I WOULD BUY MY OWN GUN and get through anyway. FUCK 'EM.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:08 PM
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6. N.O. is an experiment re: martial law & how Americans react
Back up from the horror of what you see. Waay back from facts like the head of FEMA was an estate planning lawyer and represenative for the Arabian Horse Association: www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/ 002458.html...; beyond the martial law imposed; beyond the knowledge about what class storm this was; back beyond the Times-Picayne documenting 9 times over the past year about the problems with the levee; back beyond N.O. being one of 3 disasters to be anticipated as a very real possibility.

Think bigger than bashing the incompetency of FEMA. There's sly purposfulness here and I believe that someone on Citizens for Legitimate Government may have stumbled on it:

"It was suggested to me by someone that it seems like the lack of assistance in New Orleans was meant to provoke people to extreme violence and chaos. It certainly looks that way to me... but what if new orleans is being used as a test case to see, in a real world setting, how easily a motivated, angry populace (and the military personnel forced to do the dirty work) could be subdued and controlled to create a working model of how to impose endless Martial Law throughout the country while keeping those who might resist under the lid... and those in the armed forces in line. It's a thought... because I find it absolutely incredible how inept the response has been... to the point of criminality on the part of the federal government." --c., CLG reader.

http://www.legitgov.org/

Redact to Stanley Milgram's experiments (no longer possible given ethical violations).

Its Stanley Milgram's experiments in vivo: how much torture will someone accept as given to another? http://www.stanleymilgram.com/milgram.php

Controversy surrounded Stanley Milgram for much of his professional life as a result of a series of experiments on obedience to authority which he conducted at Yale University in 1961-1962. He found, surprisingly, that 65% of his subjects, ordinary residents of New Haven, were willing to give apparently harmful electric shocks-up to 450 volts-to a pitifully protesting victim, simply because a scientific authority commanded them to, and in spite of the fact that the victim did not do anything to deserve such punishment.



Its Kitty Genovese: 'I didn't hear nothin'.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese

Catherine Genovese ( 1935 - March 13, 1964), commonly known as Kitty Genovese, was a New York City woman who was stabbed to death near her home in the Kew Gardens section of Queens, New York. The circumstances of her murder and the apparent action (or inaction) of her neighbors were sensationalized by a newspaper article published two weeks later and prompted investigation into the psychological phenomenon that became known as the bystander effect or Genovese syndrome....Later investigation revealed that at least 38 individuals nearby had heard or observed portions of the attack,



Its PsyOps whose intention is to 'convince' and 'persuade.'

http://www.psywarrior.com/

"Capture their minds
and their hearts and souls
will follow"

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