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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:14 PM
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Rice Avoids Questions on Top U.S. General
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 09:59 PM by elad
Entire article follows.....how does this wh**e get away with this? I mean, this is ABC, but bat the bitch down a little!!!!!!!

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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: October 19, 2003


Filed at 8:40 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush's national security adviser insisted Sunday that the U.S. fight against terrorism is not a war between Christianity and Islam, despite a top general's comments that seemed to say it is.

But Condoleezza Rice twice avoided a question about whether Bush will condemn statements by Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, the deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence.

``The president has been absolutely clear that this is not a war of religions,'' Rice told ABC's ``This Week.''

``Islam is a peaceful religion. The president is respectful of those who practice the Islamic faith,'' Rice said from Thailand, where Bush was attending a summit of Asian and Pacific nations.

-snip-

EDITED BY ADMIN FOR COPYRIGHT REASONS
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:54 PM
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1. NOT the most troubling quote - this IS
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 09:06 PM by nu_duer
to me, anyway...

He told one gathering: "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/17/wboyk17.xml

This quote, to me, just says all that needs to be said about these fanatics who have taken over our country. They truly believe that God - their God, of course - appointed that greedy moron imposter to control the world's most frightening military force. Yes, the God of love and peace and forgiveness personally appointed the embarrassing awol man-boy brat to slaughter untold tens (hundreds?) of thousands of innocents in an effort to kill a rival god. They believe it. And little hitler believes it too.

I cannot find the words to describe my utter disbelief at what I have just read, and what I have just written.

This should wake up the remaining sleeping sheep, it should. At some point, doesn't the good of the country, the good of the world, the good of humanity outweigh some misguided blind devotion to this man made of nothing?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:00 PM
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2. An Excellent Point, Sir
Clear proof that to these reptiles, the people's rule counts as nothing, before their delusions of sacred granduer. Clear proof, too, that these reptiles know their rule is not legitimate, by the standards of the Constitution of these United States.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:23 PM
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4. That definitely falls into the catagory of most frightening RW statement
of the month.

The very thought that there are people in power who believe they are Divinely ordained ought to scare the absolute shit out of any rational American.

Christ, I've flippantly remarked that the Neocon agenda is going to take us into a Neofeudal society, but the idea of Divinely ordained leaders is un-fucking-believable.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:29 AM
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10. If God put George in power
it must be punishment for something really, really bad we've done. Maybe the Oh, God! movies.

I'm sad to say that I don't think this will wake up anybody. The people who care already know, and the people who don't care probably aren't going to start.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:08 AM
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13. I might agree with him
As would, I think, just about any Christian or Muslim who believes in the power of the Almighty. He put Gearge Bush in the White House for a reason:

The U.S.A has been f'ing up and it is time for an appropriate sign. Dumbya is the Lord letting us know how far we have sunk.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:11 PM
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3. I saw this...
Judas Stephanopolis asked the question, as the report says, twice. After the second rambling diatribe about Shrub, God, and whatever, and blatantly refusing to answer his direct question, he just politely thanked her for talking with him and went on to the next issue.

I don't fault Condesleeza for evading the question (what else would you expect?) as much as I do Stephanopolis for letting her and all the rest of the Bushies get away with this kind of crap.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:37 AM
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11. I've been wondering about that
When the hosts of these political interest talk shows ask questions during the interview and the guest evades the question, is the interviewer really at fault to let good manners let the question drop? I have often wondered why the interviewer does not go after a point more doggedly, yet at the same time, is it better to let the "non-answer" stand, thus revealing that the guest will only equivocate while preserving an appearance of neutrality?

It seems like the hosts of these shows are just playing a game where the rules, and boundaries for polite discussion, are understood. I have to wonder, though, if I am pissed off and the Limbaugh-crowd is pissed at these same hosts (George S. et al) does it mean that, in fact, they are doing something right?

I am playing up to lowered expectations, I suppose, but..?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:33 AM
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16. at some point, it becomes pointless
If it's clear the person is not going to answer the question, it becomes a judgement call how much time to get into it.

In this case, George dropped it way too soon, imo. Her answer was absolutely stupid and contradictory. How can Bush hold those views she claims, and yet not say a single word about Boykin? It's just simply stupid, and George should have pressed it.

Russert failed similarly with Novak last week. Way too easy on him, especially considering Russert's rep as a tough interviewer.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:29 PM
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5. All the frigging fundies are dangeriously crazy
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:30 PM
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6. Rice makes no sense when she talks and its on purpose. She lies
even more than bu$h.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:46 AM
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7. Violations of DOD equal opportunity laws
...by Boykin will not be sanctioned in any way. It is official repuke policy that equal opportunity is nothing more than political correctness.

Publicly ridiculing particular ethnic groups or religions is specially forbidden by DOD regulations. It proves he is not fit to be in office. He is incompetent to be an undersecretary or an intelligence officer as his views have no connection with reality. Of course many Army officers share his off balanced views. They believe that the armed forces are a Christian cloistered order.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:52 AM
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8. Sorry I missed the program (not)
It would have been interesting to observe Condi's body language. For example, were her reptilian eyes blinking fast and furiously? Did her snaky head twitch from side to side? Did she look nervous?

Curiously yrs,
:freak:
dbt
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:59 AM
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9. I didn't see it either,
...But I have been noticing lately she looks like five miles of bad road. Events are weighing on her to an extent that even TV makeup can't conceal it....
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:13 AM
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14. Did she do a little hair flip, then giggle and say
"I don't know, I'm just a girl!"
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:38 AM
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12. Text and Subtext
It is important to understand and think critically of the messages the Administration is sending.

Rice seems to think, incorrectly in my opinion, that justifications for the war are simply what is stated. She is mistaken.

The subtext of this war shows clearly why it is being fought. The U.S. generals, the President's advisors, the acts of all of the agencies, including the new homeland groups, and the President's confidant's reveal that it is religion-based. The same may be true for Tony Blair.

Rice refers to the text, the stated reason for the war, repeatedly, but this is really meaningless in light of all of the evidence to the contrary. It doesn't matter what the President has said, everything he has done has contradicted what he has stated.

It is similar to listening to someone talk about Budweiser, Coors, Amstel, Heineken, and Guiness, discuss how they are made, how much they cost, how they are best served, and the different types each brand makes, tasting and temperature for service, etc., then have them tell you that they do not drink. The subtext is screaming at you otherwise.

Yet many simply listen to the textual lie, shrug, and continue about their business.

And this Administration has used this tactical lie in virtually every situation -- the War in Iraq, based on a series of changing lies, the Terrorism War, which appears to be a war driven by Christian fundamentalists seeking a primitive sacred rapture, the environment, which has been undermined at every level and at every opportunity, labor and wage legislation, health care, even the notoriously racist acts that hide obtusely behind "Compassionate Conservatism."
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:10 AM
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15. Was he referring to
George W or George III? In any event I thought the question of a
a divine monarchy was settled years ago. But, on the other hand,
some people never learn, do they?
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