Freshman Who Proposed Caucasian Club Considers Transfer

[kskiska]

OAKLEY, Calif. - Freedom High School freshman Lisa McClelland whose proposed Caucasian Club has gained her notoriety, now says she's considering transferring schools.

"Some people would say things like 'We already have a club like that, it's called the KKK, you racist,'" the 15-year-old girl told the Contra Costa Times for a story Sunday. "I'd walk into the auditorium and people would start whispering."

Because of the harassment, Lisa says she's considering alternative programs at La Paloma, a continuation school, and Independence, where students primarily study at home.

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"She's at the burning point. She's so fried," Neely (her mother) said. "We're constantly telling her, 'You can just drop it,' and there's part of her that wants to but she won't. She doesn't want to let it go."

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[bluestateguy]

1. How about one of those private all white academies?

They were set up by parents who didn't want their lily white kids to go school with "them" (black people) after them leeburl courts ordered the schools desegregated.

[Endangered Specie]

4. My view

I really dont see what is wrong with a "European Americain" "White Club" or "Caucasian Club"

As a liberal I stand for absolute fairness and equality and have no problems with Muslims Club, Asians Club, Black Club etc... My campus, we have many like that. So, why not have a well minded "Caucasiun Club"??

I just dont see why say, if there exists a 'Black Engineers' club, why not say, be able to have 'White Engineers' club? Fair?

[Terran]

13. Oh sure, that's fair.

The real problem with this little girl's "Caucasian Club" is that it shows an appalling ignorance about *why* minorities want and need clubs (and all manner of organizations) to call their own. Apparently she hasn't yet clued into the fact that America itself is one big Caucasian Club that still by and large tends to exclude or make it very difficult for non-Caucasians to become fully participating members; as a Liberal, I'm sure you're aware of that.

This girl apparently has no concept whatsoever of White Privilege and what it means to be white and non-white in America. If she knew how incredibly foolish she seems, she wouldn't be doing this--since she *claims* not be a racist (although wallowing deliberately in ignorance is just one step up from the gutter of racism, IMO).

I can't imagine any legal basis for refusing to let this girl have her club (although the school administrators have the right to refuse based on the potential for disruption). But maybe they should let her have it. It might teach her a lesson she badly needs to be taught.

Dirk

[Nikia]

14. I thought that's what she wanted to examine

She goes to a diverse school and isn't sure what it means to be white. That is what I thought she wanted out of the club, an oppurtunity to discuss this in a club environment. That doesn't have to be racist. At my college, there was an anthropology class about whiteness offered by a biracial college professor who was born in Europe. I didn't take the class, but its existence suggests that there is some interest in the topic.

[DeathvadeR]

21. she goes to a school that is like 90% African American

She is the minority. You ever been to Oakland?

[Sideways]

23. Dude She Lives In OAKLEY Not Oakland

Check out this link to lovely agricultural and inland (READ WHITE) Oakley.

http://www.ci.oakley.ca.us/

You were NOT paying attention and then magnified that faux pas by jumping to an erroneous conclusion. You need to be a bit more mindful.

[not systems]

24. She is from Oakley not Oakland.

They are different and have different demographics.

[Terran]

28. Yes, I lived there

and in the Bay Area for 20 years. And whites in Oakland tend be a lot less stupid about such things.

[okieinpain]

37. I don't have a problem with it either, blacks are always pushing

for blacks only affairs and groups. good for u, good for me, just as long as they aren't getting any special treatment.

[DulceDecorum]

2. Send her to

Smith College,
Northampton, Massachusetts.
The Administration will love her and she will fit in just fine.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. Meaning?

If you're saying Smith is lily-white or something, you're dead wrong.

[DulceDecorum]

10. No, it is not

lily white.
You have to have SOME non-whites to persecute.
Otherwise where is the fun?

There is no joy in painting a swastika in menstrual blood if there is nobody Jewish there to see it.
There is no happiness in putting up graffiti and destroying property in a girl's room if the administration sends YOU the bill and not the Black resident of the despoiled room.
Oh, you really MUST let a few of THOSE PEOPLE into the building, just so as to laugh loudly when you chase them back out again.

Smith College.
How come there is no Caucasian Club?
Maybe Lisa will start one.

[JoFerret]

43. check out the president for one

.

[U2Shark]

3. If you can't take the heat...

Don't pull the old "what about us poor whites?" card.

[private_ryan]

8. "what about us poor blacks?" card?

if a black student tried to do the same and people gave her a hard time would still say the same?

if you think Muslims, blacks, (insert name here), russians etc can setup their groups why shouldn't whites, christians or whatever groups have the same right to do so?

first, I don't think she's a racist, she just did it to prove a point but second if she was one, freedom of speech applies to everyone, even to KKK and neo-nazis, no?

if a black student was being driven out of her school one way or another because she wants a Blacks Club, what would you say?

[TankLV]

26. Last time I looked, Russians were part of the "white" column.

And a lot of muslims are "white".

Oh, and there ARE some Russian and a 'hole lotta' Christian groups, last time I checked.

And the so-called "Christian" groups are pretty lilly white, too. Just another form of acceptable racism.

Lookie here, your ignorance is showin'!

[La_Serpiente]

5. Nobody understands the message of it

Just like how some other ethnicities look to their ancestry, this is what the white club is doing. They will look at their Irish ancestry, Italian ancestry, German ancestry, etc. I learn my Hawaiian ancestry, my Korean, ancestry, etc. If you don't know where you came from, how do you know where you will go?

[Maple]

7. If you need to know where you came from

before you move...you aren't going anywhere.

[alwynsw]

11. What message?

O.K. I'm 100% Irish ancestry, but 100% American by birth, education, and choice. I don't understand the problem with any club that does not advocate violence, hatred, etc. towards others. By the same token, I still fail to see the need for, but I do understand the desire for, ethnocentric clubs of any sort. Most of them seem to promote an Us v. Them mentality in their members. That mentality is simply counterproductive.

[private_ryan]

12. agree here too but

if one is allowed everyone else should be. It's color blind as far as I'm concerned, fairnes and the first ammendement take over.

[elfin]

9. bob Jones U - here she comes eom

[Rex]

15. Just give her the club already! She only wants it cause she can't

have it. I bet if they said yes then she would lose all motivation in forming one.

[MissMarple]

19. Bingo!

Maybe they would have a fast fading membership of, say three. This is much to do about... not much.

Kids these days!

Or perhaps someone would like to start a Negroid or Mongoloid Club.
(that is so tongue in cheek for the overly sensitive)

When are folks going to realize these classifications are becoming obsolete. They only had a fleeting usefulness during a brief hegemony of western northern European culture and are being made moot by our increasing understanding of our DNA. As my mama said, we all bleed red blood.

[True_Blue]

16. A white club conjures up visions

of neo-nazis and the KKK. I could even see an Irish club or a Scottish club etc....but a white club sounds like the focus is on skin color rather than heritage.

[JohnKleeb]

17. Yea it seems like it is skin color

That said :) Germanic Celtic Slavic people rock!

[DBoon]

18. Let her have it!!

She's only 15, fur Chrissakes!

Of course she doesn't understand what racial oppression is all about!

I wouldn't be surprised if her parents put her up to it.

With some guidance, it could be interesting to have a club that looks at varieties of European-American experience. Maybe tie into language and European history classes.

And of course celebrate all the important holidays.

She might learn something about the struggle of European peoples to free themselves of oppression.

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. No doubt Daddy talked it up & put her up to it

This kind of angry white man gripe shit is bantered about in locker rooms from factories to country clubs. Only, this poor twit took it seriously. Rude lesson in life.

[DeathvadeR]

22. This girl must be taking alot of heat for this.....

That would be pretty awful if she was put up to it. The poor girls being called a racist and now has to transfer and probablly move.


In like 100 years when Caucasions become a minority in this Country, This chick is gonna be like the White Rosa Parks.

[not systems]

25. White Rosa Parks.

Give me a break.

[TankLV]

27. More like a white david duke. Opps, that's reduntant!

Or a white george bush...

...pat robertson...

...Aaaaaanold...

...george wallace...

...jesse helms...

Why can't "those people"...

... oh, why bother explaining something to someone who will never get it?!

[Bandit]

29. She deserves far more heat than she is taking

Anyone who wants to start a racist club deserves to be drummed out of whatever "Higher Education" college they attend. I have ZERO sympathy for her.

[BikeDeck]

30. Racist

what evidence do you have that she wanted to establish a "racist" club? Or is the idea of starting a "caucasian club" automatically "racist"?

[Bandit]

31. You have to ask that question????

:shrug: It seems self evident.

[BikeDeck]

32. No

it is not self evident, especially since the club was going to be open to every student at the school. While other clubs, such as the black student union was CLOSED to all but black students. And muslim clubs are open only to muslims (never mind the violation of the seperation of church and state, or do you not find that to be a violation?).

I think she was making a point, and did so wonderfuly. Either allow a wide range of student clubs or none at all.

Her parents tax dollars support the other clubs, and in the interest of fairness (in the eyes of the law), her club request should have been approved.

[Bandit]

33. I feel sorry for you. You sound like a very unhappy person

I guess Bush* in the whitehouse is bound to make one very unhappy.

[demdave]

34. And you sound like someone who had no rebuttal to his arguement.

[Robb]

38. No, no, NO...

If your "muslim club" is somehow supported by tax dollars, it is a clear violation of church/state issues, and should be addressed.

What that has to do with a "caucasian club"? Nothing.

[BikeDeck]

39. it has much to do with it

if the public school allows the formation of segregated student clubs with exclusionary membership policies, then this students request for an inclusionary student club should be allowed.

Where is ours and the lefts demands for tolerence and diversity on this matter? Hypocritically out the window it seems.

[WhereIsMyFreedom]

35. Come on people, read the article before posting

It's quite short so there's no excuse for a lot of the conclusions you people are jumping to. I suppose you would still be ridiculing her for starting a European History Club?

"She said she hopes her club will break down racial barriers while embracing European-American heritage.

Lisa, who said her club would be open to all races, envisions activities such as fund-raisers and field trips to places that emphasize history, such as museums."

Yup, very clearly a racist intent. Definitely pulling out the 'downtrodden white people' card. No different than the KKK. </sarcasm>

[BikeDeck]

41. further

You want anyone who wants to start a racist club to be drummed out of their college. Could you please reply back to me with links to your posts calling for organizers and members of Mecha and other outright and blatantly racist campus organizations to be drummed out of college. Thanks!

[enki23]

36. persecution is neither a necessary, nor a sufficient...

condition for being right.

[quaker bill]

40. Dumb idea.

Yes, I know that a caucasian club is not racist, per se. Just like flying the confederate battle flag is not racist, per se. Some think it is a statement "honoring our southern heritage".

One part of speech is the message you intend to state. Another part of speech is the message heard by your listener.

This, at minimum, is a rather poor choice of words.

[Bake]

42. She's learning a valuable lesson about free speech

Namely, that while you may have a RIGHT to say what's on your mind, you'd better be ready for the reaction you provoke. So people start whispering when she enters the auditorium? Too bad. That's free speech at work. The marketplace of ideas can be a bitch sometimes.

Her daddy or mommy or whoever put her up to this ought to have to endure her torment too.

Bake