Sonic 'Lasers' Head to Flood Zone (Here We Go!)

[NashVegas]

Air-raid sirens, Frank Sinatra songs and Muhammad Ali trash talk blared over the Southern California desert in a demonstration of new acoustic technology for crowd control and disaster communications.

Representatives of both companies say that within days, they will ship some units of their respective products to areas hit by Hurricane Katrina, so authorities can use the tools for crowd control, aid distribution and rescue operations.

When a subject is at close range in MAD's sonic path, and it is set to high volume, the sound can be excruciating.

The ability to broadcast instructions or alerts at great distances with minimal distortion could be useful for authorities and rescue crews in areas where other communications systems are unavailable.

http://wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68732,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

[ET Awful]

1. Why don't they ship some FOOD, WATER AND MEDICAL AID

I have an odd feeling that would be better for "crowd control" than inflicting pain on them.

[Mika]

36. NO is a test bed for BushCrime's new reality.

While we're busy analyzing it, they will create new realities.

[leveymg]

41. Here's what HPV Technologies is selling the Pentagon:

NEW HPV TECHNOLOGIES PRODUCT: "Tower of Power" Sonic Torture Array

[Castilleja]

48. You are right

This is astounding.

[valerief]

57. I told friends US Katrina neglect was a Nazi Fishbowl Experiment

Why would they let these thousands of people suffer? To see what happens. Why would they inflict the sensory torture of megasound? Same reason.

The PNACracy is here. If someone doesn't pull a Robertson, we are doomed.

[mom cat]

2. These hate based fear monrers! SEND FOOD NOT FEAR!

[Algorem]

3. what a huge surprise.

[NashVegas]

4. No Kidding

I'm starting to veer to the TFH side on this one, re: delayed response.

[Lerkfish]

11. "TFH"? sorry don't know that acronym

[Delphinus]

17. tin foil hat.

Being somewhat of a conspiracy theorist myself, i understood that right away!

[Lerkfish]

24. thanks. for some reason I couldn't suss the acronym.

and I big on conspiracies myself, so I should have.

[pursuivant]

61. Wonderful tinfoil hat link

Spread the word. This is a very clever site:

http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

[Algorem]

14. Evil spuds."Heil Bush!'

the temporary-blinding light blaster?,the severe-ear-pain noise blaster?,the super-sticky foam?...work out the kinks in their concentration-camping plans?,...whatever happened to the neutron bomb,was that ever properly tested out,on real humans and buildings I mean?...the Ronco Porti-Crematory?The Multi-Perp Summary Execution Chamber On Wheels?

[Warren Stupidity]

5. what the fuck is going on?

These people need food water clothing and shelter and they are getting a military response instead.

[Lerkfish]

16. welcome to fascism

[wli]

6. The 'g' word is getting used on CNN's website already. n/t

[Lerkfish]

12. sigh...please, what is the "g" word?

thanks.

[Don Claybrook]

13. sorry...which G word?

I must be running slow this morning.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Genocide.

[booksenkatz]

7. Will the loud volume be able to raise the dead that litter the streets? nt

[sarcasmo]

8. Practice for full scale Martial Law.

[BiggJawn]

9. How many "Emergency Shipments" of TASERS are headed to NOLA?

Soylent Green is People.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. A military response is not what these people need

god damn it. They need an humanitarian response. They need aid not guns.

[seriousstan]

15. Read the article...it can be used to communicate info up to 1 mile.

The ability to broadcast instructions or alerts at great distances with minimal distortion could be useful for authorities and rescue crews in areas where other communications systems are unavailable.

[Lerkfish]

18. and I'll buy you lunch if that's the ONLY way it is used.

I'm not buying it. It would be easier to supply bullhorns

[ElectroPrincess]

19. ONLY if they tell the dehydrated people where the water is! /eom

That would be *nice* especially before they slip into a coma and die. :puke:

[Usrename]

28. WWWWW HHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA TTTTT???

[sojourner]

53. kinda late, doncha think? they needed that damn thing in NO on Monday

morning...(IF it really had been for the purpose of replacing "downed" communications networks and not for its other more nefarious uses) ...bullshit explanations coming out of the gov't and its apologists, but one thing's clear. there was never an intention to get these people to safety...seems pretty clear to me given that they locked down the superdome, and failed to get adequate food and water delivered...ditto the convention center. hard to escape the idea that they were deliberately killing the poor. and NOW they're taking this high tech gear in --?

my daughter and I have been discussing it...in any large scale disaster, we will NOT comply with government suggestions to congregate in "evacuation centers". i just have an objection to people being herded to holding pens to await a slow death in hellish conditions.

edited for clarity...sorry this whole thing is so hard to comprehend that my brain is totally f**d up, so hard to make my thoughts coherent.

[leesa]

20. These horrible people are going to torture the victims now??

[wli]

22. it appears so

This is inhuman. Someone needs to get UN observers on the ground and in the Superdome at the very least.

[Algorem]

21. "...Our 2nd priority is to sustain lives by ensuring adequate food,Walter,

water,shelter and medical supplies for survivors and dedicated citizens,or dislocated citizens..."-Bush,Wednesday speech.Oh yeah,he cares so much about getting them "Walter".Maybe he meant "dessicated citizens"?Maybe Rove or Rumsfeld told him,"We'll dessicate these motherfuckers!"?

[ktowntennesseedem]

25. Their first message will probably be: "Please stop dying."

"You are making the President look bad."

F*cking a$$holes!!!

[Skidmore]

26. Where the hell is CONGRESS??

Haven't these people suffered enough?

[Gold Metal Flake]

27. We need pictures of these.

The people need to recognize them (and the others of it's kind) on sight. Any operative info will help, like vulnerable points. It would help if this info could be collected and "playing cards" printed for sale.

[rodeodance]

29. oh my GAWD!!--these pople want people to CARE for them!

[rodeodance]

30. send this the medi (the ones that care)

[rodeodance]

31. "We're just a bunch of rats. That's how they've been treating us."

QUOTATION OF THE DAY

"We're just a bunch of rats. That's how they've been treating us."
EARLE YOUNG, among thousands awaiting rescue outside the Superdome.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Today's Headlines: Despair and Lawlessness Grip New Orleans
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:19:01 -0500
From: NYTimes.com <[e-mail]>

[tinrobot]

32. Here's a way to control crowds : FEED THEM

Give them water... a place to bathe... a place to sleep.

It's not that difficult.

[coffeenap]

33. What the HELL are they doing? This is our country, our people.

(all people all over, are our people)

[coffeenap]

34. Torturing our own suffferers? Facism is here--what do we do?

[OregonBlue]

39. Contact your congress people immediately

and let them know that if they use these weapons on our people, they will pay. We need to make it clear that it's not just BUSH's but their jobs that are on the line!!

I'm troubled that people keep harping on JUST BUSH, our Congress, regugs and DEMS have gone along with this shit and they need to know that we are going to get rid of all of them if they don't step up to the plate now!!!

[Gregorian]

35. Waco revisited?

I see the point. But it just doesn't make sense to me.

I envision someone still stuck in their attic. Suddenly they hear music- "These boots were made for walkin', and that's just what they'll do.."

This thing is yet another bid of bad technology. As an engineer I scorn on this type of thing. Useless. Almost totaly useless. And the potential for misuse is much higher than the other way around.

Bring them water and food. A truckload of rowboats and food would be better. But in America, it's all about money. All that people and companies have been doing is making money for their high mortgage payments. That is where we are today. Nothing is about culture or humanitarian.

[obreaslan]

37. Yes, torture those who don't follow your rules....

Good Idea.

#1 DON'T BE POOR
#2 DON'T QUESTION WHY WE LEAVE YOU TO DIE HUNGRY IN THE HEAT
#3 DON'T MAKE US BRING IN THE DOGS FROM ABU GHRAIB


* better ask his god if this is what a real christian would be doing.

"Even Jesus would never forgive what you do." -Bob Dylan, Masters of War.

[shanti]

38. i KNEW

that *ush was just itching to use this weapon! :grr: crowd control, my ass!

[leveymg]

40. What's next - B-52 strikes?

The ultimate for "crowd control" and "disaster communications".:eyes:



An Old AF Workhorse Sees Service Again

Operation Drain The Swamp, LA USA - September 2005

[Judi Lynn]

42. "Impressive" effects are described on the second page of the article:

Vehicle-mounted devices were used by Israeli authorities to scatter groups earlier this year, when Palestinians and Jewish supporters gathered to protest Israel's West Bank separation barrier. Dubbed "The Scream" by the Israeli Army, the device sends out streams of noise in intervals of about 10 seconds. The specific sonic frequencies chosen affect the inner ear, creating dizziness and nausea in human targets.

In a report, AP quoted an unnamed Israeli military official as saying the device emits a frequency that targets the inner ear, can cause damage with exposure for several minutes at close range, and compels humans nearby to leave the area. Exposure for minutes at close range could cause hearing damage. Information about longer-term exposure effects at long distances has not been publicly disclosed.

Both HPV's MAD and American Technology's LRAD are said to excel in mid- to higher-frequency sound ranges where sounds like sirens, alert "chirps" and human speech reside. Products from both companies could be used, at high volume, to harm subjects who do not comply with commands.
(snip/)

How can this possibly help the situation? Creating more fear and hatred can't possibly aid _Bush's storm troopers in the long run, I would hope.

[Judi Lynn]

43. If these machines are as inhuman as I believe they are,

would it mean the Republicans aren't afraid any longer of maintaining voter support, since truly wicked, brutal crowd "management" measures would not be supported by the majority of voters?

Wouldn't this mean they are confident they don't really need the support of the masses anymore? Wouldn't it be an indication they believe they can control the outcome of elections, even?

We know they control the media. Our media have NOT significantly ever challenged Reagan, _{Bush I,} or _Dubya, while harassing Bill Clinton every day of his two popular terms.

I think it means they are saying they finally have so much physical power it doesn't matter now how frightened the public gets anymore, as there's no resistance we can mount they can't quickly terminate.

I actually thought they were going to use the new "electric bullets" first, in order to showcase the debut of their enhanced crowd control before the next round of campaigning begins.
Electric bullets: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725126.300

This looks like something more powerful, doesn't it?

[tom_paine]

45. I think you are essentially correct, Judi Lynn

There is absolutely no mechanism that The Imperial Subjects of Amerika can stand in any way against Der Fuhrer.

That ship has sailed. The computers and the electronic "voting" machines, plus a well-tested group of manual disenfranchisement policies (as Ken Blackwell displayed in Oh 2004, like depriving minority-areas of voting machines to result in tens of thousands of "drop-out" from the lines).

They posess a Propaganda Structure that absolutely dwarfs anything Hitler or Stalin ever dreamed of in both size and sophistication.

And there is an ever swelling group of mentally enslaved Brownshirts, as utterly devoted to The Party and divorced from reason as any who have ever licked the boots of Tyrants.

Nothing we can do, it's true. And in 2006 and 2008 we will go through was has essentially become a Crooked Reality Show in which the "winner" was dclared long before the first segment aired.

Welcome to Imperial Amerika, the Richest Third World Nation on Earth.

[unrepuke]

47. They quit voter concern with Diebold.

[Igel]

44. Ponder the following.

People here have been, for the last 4 days, lamenting the inhuman, ghastly, inability to communicate information to those in NOLA. Something must be done! The inhumanity of it all, the beasts that aren't communicating.

Something comes along that can manage to easily communicate. Without much danger of being shot at. Quickly. Fairly easily. Oh, no! One of our complaints might possibly be addressed! Call your congressperson. Something must be done! The inhumanity of it all, the beasts!

Fine. Lets assume that they're actually wanting to incinerate people, Katrina was a manufactured storm.

The NG goes in. They encounter people with guns. They encounter looters rushing to cart off meat that hasn't been refrigerated for 4 days.

The NG has some choices. They can be shot at. They can run--oh, no, that would mean they're not delivering food and water. They can shoot back, but that would be inhuman. But that's the most likely alternative.

[jahyarain]

50. i haven't been able to go along with anyone on this myself

i'm as liberal as they get but you can't bring in aid if you're being shot at unless you a) shoot back
b) don't deliver supplies
c) use what non-lethal methods are available
to incapacitate the shooters.

they've been shooting at helicopters and ambulances for fuck's sake!
children are dying because medical help cannot reach these places for fear of being shot at. i fucking HATE guns. and this is exactly fucking why

[atreides1]

52. Question

Exactly how many helicopters and ambulances have they actually shot at.

I keep hearing others say the same thing, especially the "shoot to kill" crowd.

Does anyone have the number, because some here are making it sound like a firefight in Fallujah!!!!

[SoCalDem]

54. "they have been shooting at helicopters & ambulances"

that's our pal Ann Ecdotal at work again.. FAA monitoring ALL flights of choppers..says nothing true about it.. Fear of it happening, well of course..

[sojourner]

55. with all due respect...the time for this technology was 5 days ago...

when the people needed to know where to go for food, water and shelter.

and don't bother explaining how "no one knew...." because this event has been on the radar for decades.....the US has the ability to marshal a response within 24 hours. what reason can be given for waiting 5 fucking days?

and we are supposed to think that the gov't is thinking about the welfare of the people??? right........it is always more convenient to blame the victim of disaster than to seek the true cause.

[unrepuke]

46. Frank Sinatra songs? = Cruel & Unusual Punishment

What could be worse? Britney Spears videos?
AAaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh

[KittyWampus]

49. now i am scared

[Conservativesux]

51. You should be. The fascists are finally showing thier true colors.

[sakabatou]

56. Yes, let's hurt MORE people! Hurah!

:sarcasm:

[Zynx]

58. Calm down and read the specs. This is designed for communication.

Communications have been horrible down there.

[emald]

59. only gets worse

for those in NO. I don't know whats going on, being in Alaska and far removed, but it sure sounds like an intentional act this lack of preperation and response. Now sending in sound crowd control units, well, guess it's all going to end with the fascits whistling while the whole mess burns down.
Goddamn, I'm getting depressed. I can't go help personally. My government seems to be bedeviling those who can least stand it and turning a blind eye to the need of those in despair. Now possibly they wish to harm those who don't toe the line. Maybe god will come back and end this uglieness.

[melody]

60. Bush getting his jollies from torturing people

It's not just for Bohemian Grove and Abu Ghraib anymore, it would seem.

[AZBlue]

62. If they needed to communicate, why not use a bullhorn or a PA system??

WTF? They can cover it up by saying they need it for "communication all they want - it's obvious they have another agenda. Will it never end???????????????????????????????

[notadmblnd]

63. whye are they so desperately trying to provoke a violent confrontation?

It's like they actually want people to riot. I'm glad so far no one has fallen for their tricks.

[Lilyhoney]

64. That is what I am afraid of. nt

[kodi]

65. million dollar technology foiled by cotton balls in ears

high tech, meet low tech.

this sort of high tech arrogance helped the vietnamese beat the americans in viet nam.

[OzarkDem]

66. Campaign contributors

Got to launder taxpayer dollars and turn them into dontations for the GOP.