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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:40 AM
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Castro offers medical aid to U.S.
Castro offers medical aid to U.S.

Saturday, September 3, 2005; Posted: 4:33 a.m. EDT (08:33 GMT)
HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro has offered to send help to the United States in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

At a nightly roundtable program on state-run television Friday, the Cuban leader said his nation was ready to send 1,100 doctors and 26 tons of medicine and equipment.

"Others have sent money; we are offering to save lives," he said.

Castro -- an enemy of U.S. President George W. Bush and frequent subject of condemnation from the White House -- said he would not comment on the U.S. government's response to the tragedy because "this is not the time to kick an adversary -- while he's down."

Castro said the doctors he was offering have international experience.
(snip/...)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/03/katrina.castro/index.html
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:00 AM
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1. He knows how to grandstand, I'll give him that.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:13 AM
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2. Any more than George?
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 05:17 AM by JoFerret
At least Cuba has a well-organised medical and public health system. I am sure the people of NOLA and Mississippi would be grateful for that aid round about now. Any sane government would see this as a chance to move the politics of division forward. This could be a breakthrough - or used to create one. (I know...dream on.)
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:01 AM
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10. And he also knows how to give his people a national health
plan, something our over-paid and well-insured politicians haven't ben able to figure out yet.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:38 PM
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59. and I've been treated in that national health system

(a minor injury in Havana) and a good friend of mine was trained in it, and ran a "polyclinico" (multi-service small hospital) in it for years.

Anyone in the US with the good fortune to receive care from that system -- in the US, where the necessary material resources are available (if they're made available ...), those resources being scarcer in Cuba now than when I was treated -- would be in the best of all possible worlds.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:45 AM
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15. Grandstand you say
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 07:46 AM by malaise
He always sends medical people to help us and what's more his doctors and nurses arrive before the hurricane strikes. Love him or hate him, he has the best disaster plan in this hemisphere. Give the man his due.
<edit sp and add>
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:55 AM
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22. Castro can & will back up what he sez and does. junior can't!
Offering help is not grandstanding.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:19 PM
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48. Isn't this a strange and laughable situation?
Good old Fidel, true to his beliefs and able to duck our inept CIA's attempts to assassinate him, is still there, long after JFK, LBJ, The Big Dick, Ronnie Raygun have cashed it in, and now - NOW - with the most blatantly partisant rightwingnut administration ever to have stolen two elections in office, he offers to help the people of the United States of America.

Castro's showing a hell of a lot more care and compassion for our citizens than is Fuckface In The Oval Office.

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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:33 AM
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24. If he wanted to grandstand
He would have done it on Tuesday.

I think he is responding to a situation where it is clear the some of America's poorest and neediest are dying. He understands that the administration is too incompetent to do anything right, and he feels the pain of the poor just like every other human in the world watching this catastrophe unfold. Every other human, that is, except George Bush.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:48 PM
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28. BULLSHIT! Fidel's offer is sincere, as is Chavez's
CUBA: Cuban President Fidel Castro offered to fly 1,100 doctors to Houston with 26 tonnes of medicine to treat disaster victims.

<snip>

VENEZUELA: President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the United States, offered to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.world.aid.reut/index.html

Are Americans so fucking dense that they cannot conceive of other races and peoples of exhibiting compassion and concern for human suffering? I guess the nation that mourns the deaths of nearly 1,900 GIs in our wasteful war in Iraq, while ignoring the butchering of tens of thousand Iraqis, is the sort of nation that would ignore offers of help and assistance to its own people because it doesn't conform to its faith-based ideology.

Why isn't Bush accepting the offers of help from Fidel, Chavez, and others?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:05 PM
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32. The answer, at least regarding conservatives, is yes
You ask..."Are Americans so fucking dense that they cannot conceive of other races and peoples of exhibiting compassion and concern for human suffering?"

Sadly, greedy every-man-for-himself free market, business can do it better conservatives, and nutjob fundies are exactly that dense. They reject offers of aid from leaders like Castro and Chavez, because they cannot profit from them. They have exactly no interest in really helping the victims of this shameful failure to prevent the deaths and suffering of the poor.

They will instead blame the victims...after all, why didn't they listen when they were told to evacuate, and simply hop into their SUVs, leave New Orleans, and check themselves into luxury hotels someplace? The fact is that the ones left to suffer and die had no way to leave, and no place to go even if they could find transportation. For foreign governments to come in and do what our own president refuses to do would reflect badly on Shrub.

It might make people question the next round of tax cuts that he has planned to heap even more wealth into his greedy cronie's outstretched claws. Those tax cuts would have to come at the expense of people like the ones abandoned by their government in New Orleans. People might even question why we are killing people in Iraq, instead of letting our own citizens die from lack of caring and funds. Democrats might demand that their leaders start leading, and overcome their timidity when facing the neocons and their insane gutting of everything that is for the benefit of citizens, as opposed to corporations. The rest might vote republicans out of office, and put America back on the road to some semblance of sanity.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:13 PM
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33. Chavez's offer of gasoline shipments is particularly noteworthy
not the offer itself, but Bush's tacit rejection of it. G-d forbid that we allow someone like Chavez to undecut Big Oil's profit margins at a time like this.

Gasoline costs 12 cents a gallon in Venezuela. How much are we paying now?

Is Big Oil offering to sell gasoline to distributors at cost during this crisis?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:27 PM
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34. woth a separate post--business response vs. our "enemies"
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 11:25 AM
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44. Anyone that helps us at a time like this is a friend
anyone that hinders that help is an enemy.

That makes Fidel and Chavez friends of the American people, and that makes Bush an enemy of the American people!
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:08 PM
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57. I'm sure that Chavez and Castro realize that a majority
of the U.S. is not behind Bush, and there is apt to be some political leverage to be gained. But I accept their good will at face value, an effort to help their neighbors in the Gulf of Mexico, in spite of all the hatred heaped on them by the right wing elements over the years. With offers from France and Canada, Russia, Venezuela and Cuba, it's going to be difficult for Bush to refuse. He should do the right thing and accept.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:51 PM
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29. Maybe Bush will delay Castro's medicine drop until Bush can get
there for a photo-op of himself sitting on the medicine crates.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:50 PM
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38. Complete IGNORANCE!!
Only someone who is completely ignorant of Cuba and her practice of sending doctors and healthcare workers around the globe would make such an ignorant statement. BTW, this practice has been going on for decades.

Grandstanding my a$$.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:20 PM
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42. He also knows how to evacuate his people before Storms.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:07 PM
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51. Castro has been a better leader
for his people than Bush. Castro can walk the street, can Bush?
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:27 PM
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53. Does it really matter why Castro, or anyone, is offering help?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 10:59 PM
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61. They've got a very good medical system and they are good enough to offer
help and you call it "grandstanding"?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:14 AM
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3. In a similar story: One minute of silence in Cuba
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 05:16 AM by JoFerret
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/weather_katrina_cuba_dc


"The whole world should feel that this tragedy is its own," National Assembly speaker Ricardo Alarcon said.

Heavy rainfall lashed western Cuba and downed power lines when Katrina swung across Florida and into the Gulf of Mexico, but the island escaped the devastation seen in the United States.

"The news pained and saddened Cubans. In their name, we wish to express our profound solidarity with the people of the United States, state and local authorities and the victims of this catastrophe," Alarcon added.

Castro, dressed in his trademark green military fatigues, stood with his head down for the minute of silence.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:23 AM
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4. Let me get this straight. Bush is posing for pictures and
agreeing with the rest of us that his relief plan is unacceptable and Castro actually offers the help for the victims. Huh?

Damn shame other countries care more about those people than our own damn government does.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:25 AM
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5. Sad day in America....
It's truly sad when 3rd world countries are needed to help fellow Americans becasue the bush team is more worried about IRAQ
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:35 AM
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7. Cuba does not have 3rd world stats
It far past time for Americans to get off of their high horse.


Cuba:
Lower infant mortality than the US
Longer avg lifespan than the US
Higher literacy than the US
More teachers per capita than the US
More doctors per capita than the US




Learn from Cuba
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/learn.htm
“It is in some sense almost an anti-model,” according to Eric Swanson, the programme manager for the Bank’s Development Data Group, which compiled the WDI, a tome of almost 400 pages covering scores of economic, social, and environmental indicators.

Indeed, Cuba is living proof in many ways that the Bank’s dictum that economic growth is a pre-condition for improving the lives of the poor is over-stated, if not, downright wrong.

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It has reduced its infant mortality rate from 11 per 1,000 births in 1990 to seven in 1999, which places it firmly in the ranks of the western industrialised nations. It now stands at six, according to Jo Ritzen, the Bank’s Vice President for Development Policy, who visited Cuba privately several months ago to see for himself.

By comparison, the infant mortality rate for Argentina stood at 18 in 1999;

Chile’s was down to ten; and Costa Rica, at 12. For the entire Latin American and Caribbean region as a whole, the average was 30 in 1999.

Similarly, the mortality rate for children under the age of five in Cuba has fallen from 13 to eight per thousand over the decade. That figure is 50% lower than the rate in Chile, the Latin American country closest to Cuba’s achievement. For the region as a whole, the average was 38 in 1999.

“Six for every 1,000 in infant mortality - the same level as Spain - is just unbelievable,” according to Ritzen, a former education minister in the Netherlands. “You observe it, and so you see that Cuba has done exceedingly well in the human development area.”

Indeed, in Ritzen’s own field, the figures tell much the same story. Net primary enrolment for both girls and boys reached 100% in 1997, up from 92% in 1990. That was as high as most developed nations - higher even than the US rate and well above 80-90% rates achieved by the most advanced Latin American countries.

“Even in education performance, Cuba’s is very much in tune with the developed world, and much higher than schools in, say, Argentina, Brazil, or Chile.”

It is no wonder, in some ways. Public spending on education in Cuba amounts to about 6.7% of gross national income, twice the proportion in other Latin American and Caribbean countries and even Singapore.

There were 12 primary school pupils for every Cuban teacher in 1997, a ratio that ranked with Sweden, rather than any other developing country. The Latin American and East Asian average was twice as high at 25 to one.

The average youth (age 15-24) illiteracy rate in Latin America and the Caribbean stands at 7%. In Cuba, the rate is zero. In Latin America, where the average is 7%, only Uruguay approaches that achievement, with one percent youth illiteracy.

“Cuba managed to reduce illiteracy from 40% to zero within ten years,” said Ritzen. “If Cuba shows that it is possible, it shifts the burden of proof to those who say it’s not possible.”

Similarly, Cuba devoted 9.1% of its gross domestic product (GDP) during the 1990s to health care, roughly equivalent to Canada’s rate. Its ratio of 5.3 doctors per 1,000 people was the highest in the world.

The question that these statistics pose, of course, is whether the Cuban experience can be replicated. The answer given here is probably not.

“What does it, is the incredible dedication,” according to Wayne Smith, who was head of the US Interests Section in Havana in the late 1970s and early 1980s and has travelled to the island many times since.




OXFAM
http://www.oxfamamerica.org/whatwedo/emergencies/asian_floods_2004/background/cubalessons
While its neighbors are battered, losing lives and property, Cuba is unusually good at withstanding these calamities, and suffers much fewer dead.

Oxfam’s report, entitled Weathering the Storm: Lessons in Risk Reduction in Cuba cites a number of attributes of Cuba’s risk reduction program that can be applied by other countries. Three in particular are transferable to Asia and other regions:

*Disaster Preparedness: Cuba was especially good at mobilizing entire communities to develop their own disaster preparations. This involves mapping out vulnerable areas of the community, creating emergency plans, and actually simulating emergencies so people can practice evacuations and other measures designed to save lives. When disaster strikes, people know what to do.

*Commitment of Resources: Cuba’s strong central government prioritizes resources for its civil defense department. This helps the country to build up a common understanding of the importance of saving lives, and the citizens trust that their contributions to the government are well used for this purpose. Their collaboration on developing emergency plans helped build confidence in the government, so people trust in the plan they helped develop.

*Communications: The communications system for emergencies in Cuba builds on local resources. Using local radio stations and other media to issue warnings on potential hazards also reinforces the disaster preparations. Since the local population is already involved in mapping risks and creating emergency plans, they are more inclined to act on emergency bulletins. Good communications, packaged simply, and built on existing, commonly used resources, is another way to build trust in disaster preparations.

Cuba is a unique example. There is a strong central government committed to protecting all its citizens, even the poorest and most isolated who are typically the most at risk. The most common natural disaster in Cuba is a hurricane, a threat visible for days and even weeks in advance. Yet building a culture of disaster preparedness, and involving local communities in mitigating risks, are strategies that can be applied in many other places, regardless of how rich or poor a country might be.

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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:20 PM
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52. Many people in the US
measure the success of a country on the abiiity of an individual to become filthy rich with little regard for the whole of it's society.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:30 PM
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40. Imperial Amerika IS a Third-World Nation now
haven't you noticed? Some signs:

the people no longer get to select their National Leader
i.e. Corrupted, untroustowrthy voting systems

Corruption in broad daylight, without fear of investigation, let alone prosecution

Third-World Media
Third-World judicial system, shot through with crooked Party Appointees
The highest rate of incarceration of it's citizens
Drowning in debt
Infrastructure crumbling (bridges, highways, dams, levess, etc.)

We are living off teh crumbs of what was Old Free America. When they run out, we will have nothing left but Piles of Debt and a Hereditary, Cruel (much crueler than they are now) Aristocracy.

Really, we became a Third-World Nation on 12-12-2000, but it will become even more obvious as time goes on.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:32 AM
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6. Good for Fidel. I mean, I'm no real fan of the guy, but Cuba has
a LOT of very good doctors with emergency experience that have been sent to many disaster situations and been of great help.

Come on up, I for one would welcome you.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:38 AM
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8. IT ISN'T CASTRO!!
It is the Cuban people! Their doctors. Their teachers.

Please! Fer Christ's sake.

Castro isn't the doer of all bad nor good things in Cuba.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:40 AM
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12. Now now, don't ruin all that Propganda the US has spread for decades
.
.
.

They've paid political geniuses millions to hide the good things about Cuba

'course

us Canuks and a lot of the world don go for that Murikkan drivel

It's all for the sheeples anyhoo

they're the ones that'll swallow it and praise their newest diktator

(sigh)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:36 AM
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13. Fidel is the one offering to send the doctors to New Orleans
How they became doctors and teachers is irrelevant at this point. The mere fact that he's offering despite all the rhetoric from Bushco is commendable.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:47 PM
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36. Actually it is the Cuban Health Ministry who made the offer..
.. at the request of the membership.

Mr Castro, as chief spokesperson for Cuba, simply relayed the message from the Health Ministry and the National Assembly.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:52 PM
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37. If the thick propaganda curtain were to fall, Mika, some folks would be
astonished to see there has been a functioning government on that island from the first, not one huge man who has been controlling 11,000,000 people through his iron will all this time.

I've heard from Cuba travellers who've kept tracks of Cuban national events, that Fidel Castro has been denied projects and goals he has wanted at various times by the Cuban parliamentary members. Since our right-wing propaganda insists Castro makes the decisions for Cuba, many people have no impulse to imagine otherwise. They still don't know, apparently, they have been lied to wildly for many years about almost everything in US/Latin American/Caribbean politics, history if they're only using information handed them from the government.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:32 PM
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54. This is true,
but in a nation of sheep people look to leadership to set the tone. Bushco has continually used hate language (i.e. evil terrorist nations, etc.) Whipping up hate and fear is setting the wrong tone for a peacefull society. Are we at peace and feel secure since this administration has been in power?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:42 AM
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9. Reading your post just reminded me: they've been working in Haiti
throughout all the violence treating gunshot victems.

Haitians have fled to Cuba over the years for refuge from the violence in Haiti: there's a sizeable Haitian community in Cuba, which has produced a wonderful a capella singing group, "Desandann," and one I haven't heard, "Ban Rrarra."

Creole is Cuba's second language, and there's a Creole radio station in Havana.

From what I gather, those Cuban doctors will be in Haiti as long as they are needed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 06:38 AM
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11. Cuba has maintained it medical advancements.
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:49 AM
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25. I didn't know that
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:44 AM
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14. Cuba has excellent doctors and I say if they're offering help, we
should take it. IMHO we should normalize relations with this country anyway. The only thing the current policy does is keep Cuban-Americans from providing for and visiting their families in Cuba. What a sorry state of affairs, though . . . when our government response is to fucked up a Cuban response looks good.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:50 AM
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16. Check this
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 07:57 AM
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17. Castro makes Bush look like Hitler....Of course there are many
similarities. Both are of Germany decent, both have killed millions of innocent people, and both have destroyed their countries during their time in power.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:27 AM
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18. Very bizarre. The US government tells us to fend for ourselves...
the supposedly evil communists are keen to help.

:crazy:
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:27 AM
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19. Not according to CNN.COM
They've listed:

Great Britan
Japan
Germany
France

but no offers of aid from Cuba. As a poster above noted, we can't waste millions spent in propaganda.

SHHHHHHHH, don't let the sheeple know that Cuba is offering aid.

World leaders offer sympathy, aid


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/02/katrina.world/index.html
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 01:45 PM
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35. Canada also (or maybe that Corporate Conservative Media...
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 01:58 PM by Amonester
just consider$ us a colony like most of the wingnut$ do?!?)

Anyway, just wanted to point out the fact that, "thanks to the shrinking of Greenland's Glacier" it seems a lot of coastal places will need these people's expertise sooner or later... (before 2050, pllluheeeze!):

"In the Netherlands, much of which lies below sea level as in New Orleans, there was some consternation that the Louisiana city was so poorly prepared, AP reported.

The nation installed massive hydraulic sea walls known as the Delta Works after devastating floods in 1953.

"I don't want to sound overly critical, but it's hard to imagine that could happen in a Western country," Ted Sluijter, press spokesman for Neeltje Jans, the public park where the Delta Works are exhibited, was reported as saying by AP.

"It seemed like plans for protection and evacuation weren't really in place, and once it happened, the coordination" was poor.

'Solidarity' among nature's victims

But from others hit by national disasters, there was more sympathy.

Sri Lankan President Chandrika Kumaratunga said she and her fellow citizens felt solidarity with those affected.

"Having experienced the fury of nature ourselves during the December 26 tsunami, the people of Sri Lanka and I fully empathize with you at this hour of national grief," she said in a message to the U.S.

And while the small island nation is still recovering from the tsunami disaster, it also pledged $25,000 to the American Red Cross, the AP reported.


Where are the "plans" & the budget$ ??? :boring:





edit: emphasis
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:52 PM
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60. yeah, Canadian help is actually ON THE WAY
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1755275

but we're not actually going to expect anyone in the US to notice -- the US govt because it doesn't want anyone to notice, the US media because they're negligent and arrogant, and the people of the US because they won't even know, because nobody wants them to know anything.

Hell, if anybody actually noticed us banging on the door trying to get the US govt to accept our help for the last week, and then actually sending it down the instant it was accepted, someone might notice the fact that there are real people up here, and the dismissive arrogant unpleasant way the US govt deals with Canada on a day-to-day basis might be noticed by someone ... and once that started, just imagine what else they might start noticing about the dismissive arrogant unpleasant ... murderous ... way the US govt deals with a lot of other people in the world ...

For the US govt, to once acknowledge the humanity of the people outside your borders trying to help you would be a dangerous step down the slippery slope toward someone noticing the humanity of the people you're bombing and shooting and starving in various other places outside those borders.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 12:08 AM
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62. It's going to make things harder for the right-wing to stir its believers
into a xenophobic frenzy when they have accepted assistance from them.

It probably really galls them to be seen getting real help for the hateful mess they've created.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:46 AM
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20. Yeah, Castro's a grandstander. bush** has relief stations erected for
a photo op and then when they get the pics, they tear it down and abandon the others that they show they are in the process of building. That's how much worse than grandstanding? That's the lowest kind of fraud there is.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:53 AM
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21. Now this is ironic egh?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:01 AM
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23. Finally! Government sponsored medical care for US citizens!
Viva Castro!
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:49 AM
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26.  "Others have sent money
He knows the money will end up going to the fat cats. He is a smart man.
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 10:51 AM
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27. Viva Castro!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:52 PM
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30. Viva Fidel! Viva Chavez! Down with Bush!
CUBA: Cuban President Fidel Castro offered to fly 1,100 doctors to Houston with 26 tonnes of medicine to treat disaster victims.

<snip>

VENEZUELA: President Hugo Chavez, a vocal critic of the United States, offered to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.world.aid.reut/index.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:58 PM
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31. A message of solidarity to the people of the United States
A message of solidarity to the people of the United States

• Text of a statement approved by the deputies of Cuba’s National Assembly of People’s Power

THE people of Cuba have followed with concern the news related to the effects of Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. Information that is still incomplete shows that it is a veritable tragedy of extraordinary dimensions.

In terms of physical destruction and material damage, it is considered to be the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history. The Red Cross in that country believes that its work will be even greater than what it confronted after the atrocious attack of September 11, 2001.

Tens of thousands of people are trapped in flooded areas, have lost their homes, are displaced or are refugees. The Louisiana governor has described the situation as desperate in New Orleans, where the water continues to rise. The mayor of that city stated that hundreds and perhaps thousands of people could have died there.

This disaster, with its enormous burden of death and suffering, is a blow to the entire population of those states, but is even more harshly afflicting African-Americans, Latino workers and poor U.S. citizens who comprise the masses still waiting to be rescued and taken somewhere safe, and they are the majority among the fatalities and people left homeless.

This news causes pain and sadness for the Cuban people. On their behalf, we wish to express our profound solidarity with the people of the United States, the state and local authorities and the victims of this disaster. The entire world should feel this tragedy as its own.

National Assembly of People’s Power of the Republic of Cuba

Havana, September 1, 2005

http://granmai.cubaweb.com/ingles/2005/septiembre/vier2/37mensaje-i.html
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 08:14 PM
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39. Maybe this can be the opening for an end to the ridiculous US policy
regarding Cuba. I have long believed that the diplomatic wall between the US and Cuba should have crashed down decades ago, at the latest after the fall of the Soviet Union.

With Peak Oil staring us in the face, Cuba has established what could be a very useful model for energy efficient living. Perhaps that will be of greater use to America in the not too distant future than the aid offered by Castro. In any event, it's time to back off from Cold War rhetoric and join our neighbors, ninety miles away, or nine thousand.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:15 PM
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41. Thanks for the link, IDemo
:thumbsup:

Welcome to DU. :hi:

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 09:25 PM
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43. From what I understand, Cuba has a lot of doctors, and good ones,
Edited on Sat Sep-03-05 09:26 PM by Redstone
too. And Cuba isn't that far from New Orleans; we ought to say hey thanks and bring some over if we need them.

Especially if they bring cigars.

Redstone
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:00 PM
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45. Update: "Castro: U.S. hasn't responded to Katrina offer"
Monday, September 5, 2005 Posted: 1548 GMT (2348 HKT)

HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro told more than 1,500 doctors Sunday night that American officials had made "absolutely no response" to his offer to send them to the U.S. Gulf Coast to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Castro, a longtime adversary of the United States, initially offered to send 1,100 doctors and at least 26 tons of supplies and equipment, but the Communist leader announced Sunday during a televised speech that he had increased the number of physicians to 1,586. Each doctor would carry about 27 pounds of medicine.

"You could all be there right now lending your services, but 48 hours have passed since we made this offer, and we have received absolutely no response," Castro said at Havana's Palace of the Revolution.

"We continue to wait patiently for a response. In the meantime, all of you will be taking intensive courses in immunology and also something that I should be doing -- an intensive brush-up course in English."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/09/05/katrina.cuba/
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:54 PM
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46. Of course not
And with official US policy apparently to do absolutely nothing to help anybody who needs help, probably won't respond. It would be too humiliating for the rulers of the "richest country in the world" to accept Cuba's generous offer. It would take the spotlight off the brilliant job Junior has been doing handling this crisis so far.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:57 PM
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47. When Cuba sent doctors to Venezuela to treat the poor
the US referred to them as terrorists for treating people for free. America's idea of health care is to put everyone in a HMO!
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:22 PM
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49. To the Dr Mengeleses running the US, Venezuelan doctors ARE terrorists
Edited on Mon Sep-05-05 01:24 PM by downstairsparts
There has to be big profits in giving care, or no care will be given at all. That's the way we do things around here.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:32 PM
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55. Each doctor would carry about 27 pounds of medicine X 1586 =
42,822 lbs or 21.4 tons of medicines!


Thank you, thank you for your wonderfully amazing offer, people and Drs of Cuba! Thank you.


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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 01:58 PM
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50. CUBAN DOCTORS ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD - 1578 Doctors!
REFUSED BY THE MONSTER!


God will damn him for this another 12,000 years!




AMEN!
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 02:45 PM
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56. One thing many people in the US
don't realize is that Castro has asked the US many times to open up diplomatic relations. The US has been Cuba's adversary, not the other way around.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 07:25 PM
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58. Thanks for pointing this out. All a lot of Americans still hear is what
our propagandists tell them, and that will NEVER resemble the truth.

They've offered cooperation in drug intervention so many times to be rudely rejected, and, IMMEDIATELY after September 11th, they offered the use of Cuban air ports for airplanes which couldn't land in the U.S., they offered use of their hospitals, and doctors and nurses, etc.,etc. to be bluntly ignored.

There were some Cuban musicians in Los Angeles at that time for the Latin Grammy awards on the same day, which was postponed, Chucho Valdes being one of them, and they ALL stayed longer in the States in order to give their own blood for 9/11 victems.

Some day, more Americans will realize they've been given lies created by the Batista era Cubans in Miami & New Jersey, and spun out of malicious scheming by the propagandists working for our right-wing administrations.
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