New Zogby Poll: Bush Job Performance Under 50%

[farmbo]

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=747

Bush Job Performance Under 50; Leads all Democrats; Still Behind on Re-Elect and Against Generic Democrat; Majority of Likely Voters Proud of Bush, New Zogby Poll Reveals

Dean tops all democratic contenders:

Dean tops the list of nine Democratic hopefuls with 12%, followed by Clark with 10%, Kerry at 9% and Lieberman at 8%. Gephardt and former IL Senator Carol Mosley Braun are tied at 5%, while NC Senator John Edwards and civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton are tied at 3%. Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who officially declared his candidacy last week, earned 1%. Six percent of the likely Democratic primary voters would opt for still another candidate, and nearly two in five (38%) remain undecided.

[Beetwasher]

1. Yet another nail in the coffin for Gallups credibility

Gallup Polls: No Longer Credible in the Least

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=534560

[trogdor]

4. MSRNC should be STFU now.

Go to http://www.dailykos.com and see how the polls actually went compared to MSRNC's blathering about how W was 'surging' in the polls.

Fox News 10/14-15
Approve: 52 (+1)
Disapprove: 37 (-3)

ABC News/WP 10/9-13
Approve: 53 (-1)
Disapprove: 42 (-2)

Gallup 10/10-12
Approve: 56 (+1)
Disapprove: 40 (-2)

Newsweek 10/9-10
Approve: 51 (-1)
Disapprove: 42 (+2)

Some bump! Hell, their own damn poll (Newsweek) was down a point (up 2 for disapproval). I think this was wishful thinking on MSRNC's fault.

[rocktivity]

18. Do pollsters make campaign contributions

I'm sure I read somewhere that Gallup contributes to the GOP. Does they contribute to the Dems as well? What about the others?


rocknation

[MaineDem]

2. And the news is discussing all Kobe all the time!

:eyes:

Maybe just maybe people are catching on.

[SharonAnn]

3. Yeahh! The word is getting out to the American Public

I have usually found Zogby to be quite credible and consistent. Hope that it's still true.

[symbolman]

5. However

Bush Fundraising ability keeps him at 90% approval once factored in..

[papau]

6. Great trend line on Approval, and re-elect, vs. any Dem, and vs, "any new

Bush Job Performance Positive % Negative %

October 15-18, 2003.....49...... 51

September 22-24, 2003.... 50... 49

September 3-5, 2003... 45......54

August 2003..... 52..... 48

September 2002.... 64... 36

September 2001.... 82.... 17



And the Re-elect against a generic Dem also looks great!


Date.....................Bush % Any Democrat %

October 15 – 18, 2003.... 43%........ 45%

September 22-24, 2003.....41%..... 45%

September 3-5, 2003 ......40%...... 47%

August 2003......... 43%........... 43%

And if you remove that evil term "Dem" and replace with "someone new"

Date.............. Re-Elect Bush........... Someone New

October 15-18, 2003..... 42%............. 50%

Sept 22-24, 2003......... 43............. 49

Sept 3-5, 2003........... 40............. 52

June 2003................ 49............... 38

[diplomats]

9. This is the best part

I checked the last poll, and our top five candidates all gained on Bush since late September. They were 10-12 points behind; now they're 4-9 points behind. And this is with Bush only dropping from 50 to 49 percent in approval.

[diplomats]

7. I think that Zogby poll that had Bush at 45 percent in early Sept.

was an aberration. If you throw that out, you see a stready downward trend from 53 to 52 to 50 to 49. BTW, anyone else notice that Kerry now runs best against Bush, losing by just 4 points, 45 to 41 percent? Dean is within 8, along with Lieberman, and Gephardt and Clark are 9 behind. So we have five candidates who trail Bush by single digits.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. I certainly did notice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=561765

[Caution]

8. Count me among the undecided

I'm still among the undecided, though I have made donations to clark, dean and kerry and have inquired with all three campaigns on volunteer opportunities. (Umm anyone on those campaigns...get on the freakin ball people, i have volunteered time for weeknights and weekends and NOT ONE campaign has taken me up on it yet!).

[JaneQPublic]

13. To volunteer for Dean, you just show up

Go here for upcoming Dean events/activities for your area:

http://action.deanforamerica.com/meet/selectmtg.html?zip=01970&distance=30


Your participation will be greatly appreciated.

[ozone_man]

10. October/September matchup.

Dean holds, Clark, Gephardt, Sharpton drop, the rest gain. It'll be interesting to see where the votes go when a few start dropping out.

Interesting to see Brown at 5 now, even with Gephardt. A little more and she will be within the MOE. Alot to read into these thin statistics at this point.

--snip--

Polling of Democratic contenders involved 500 likely Democratic primary voters, and has a margin of error of +/- 4.5%.

--snip--

Cand. Oct. 20 Late Sept.

Dean 12 12
Clark 10 12
Kerry 9 7
Lieberman 8 5
Gephardt 5 6
Edwards 3 2
Brown 5 4
Sharpton 3 4
Kucinich 1 na

[Bandit]

11. This one blows me away

When asked if they are proud or ashamed of George W. Bush as President, nearly three in five (57%) likely voters say they are proud, one-quarter (26%) say they are ashamed, and one-fifth (18%) are not sure. Nearly nine in ten (87%) Republicans say they are proud, compared to 4% who say they are ashamed. A majority (51%) of Independents are proud, with 30% ‘ashamed,” while 31% of Democrats say they are proud of the president and 43% are ashamed.

A third of Democrats are proud of Bush*
We are in a lot worse shape than I realized. In fact we are fucked. If this poll can be believed.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

12. Those stats always confound me

How can ANY Democrat approve of Bush, much less be "proud" of him?
I think we have to realize that we are dealing with some very conservative Dems, as well as some that probably aren't paying any attention at all.

I believe in the California recall, 25% of the Dems who voted chose Arnie. Not the same as Bush, but still.

[grasswire]

17. either that...

....or there are a lot of people who feel it's important for the world to THINK America is proud of its president no matter what they personally feel. I think this number is a stiff-backed my country right or wrong group.

[The Magistrate]

25. It Seems To Me, Ma'am

Many people do, for better or worse, view the whoever holds the office of President as embodying the country, and to ask such people if they support, or are proud of, a President is tantamount to asking them if they support, or are proud of, the country. Most of us here would answer yes to that, after all. It does not seem a good indicator of how people will vote.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[diplomats]

14. That doesn't mean they'll vote for Bush

I wouldn't worry about it.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. Kerry's still the best Dem- by far

Kerry within 4 points, Dean, Joe, and Gep 8, Clark 9

The president would outpoll any of the current leading Democratic contenders if the election were held today. He would earn 46% of the vote against retired General Wesley Clark’s 37%; would beat former Vermont Governor Dr. Howard Dean, 47% - 39%; would poll 45% against Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s 41%; would win over Missouri Congressman Richard Gephardt 47% - 38%, and would beat Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman, 46% - 38%.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=747

[koopie57]

16. job performance????

how can this poll be credible/valid since job performance implies he works?

[onehandle]

19. Where are the Headlines!?

When his numbers "surged up" two to five points, it was a top news story.

He's obviously "crashing and burning" now.

[sungkathak]

20. So much for the poll

Poll is a tool used to control American's mind. Intelligence(Feds) play the figure as they pleased because media is in their stronghold.

What good has Bush done? He started an injustice war in Iraq. He created a lot of enemies for US. He has a historical dificit in economy. He eroded civil liberty by "Patriot Act". Yet they still award him an approvement about 50% while actually should be below 30%. Because insider group need more war in Mid-east, and Bush follow their policy.

When American people realized war is not for the interest of US and choose Howard Dean as their candidate. The insider group throw out W. Clark to weaken Dean. As many people still don't know who Clark is, CNN has a poll said Clark could beat Bush and that his support leaded over other Demo candidates, just 2 days after Clark announced to join the campaign.

California recall started only 3 months after formal election while Governor G. Davis made no serious offense. When they want to steal the post of Governor to prepare for election 2004, they have Arnold to be their patsy. (There is one common character of Arnold and Clark: no politic experience, so they become perfect puppet) And this time CNN throw out a poll that Arnold has an approvement of 40% leading over Bustamante's 28%. (A sudden change from previous: Arnold 26%, Bustamante 28%) It's because McClintock will not pull out the campaign, to make the recall result reasonable, they gave a sudden boost poll result to justify Arnold's winning. (It is a fixed one)

American people are naive. When poll said so, they believe it. And seldom people tracking if there were cheating in election.(which is popular, people only noticed it when the result is too close such like what happened in florida.) That's why insider group could pick up Bush in 2000, and win mid-election in Minnisota. They will steal the post of California Governor this year and the election of 2004 as well.

This is how insider group manipulate American election. They steal it by intelligent covert job. (Those who controlled intelligence, they controlled election office) And make people believe the result is reasonable by fake poll.

[gasperc]

22. I met Mr. Zogby at the Arab American conf. Friday

I shook his hand and told him his polls were very well done and I try to review them often. He's a very nice gentleman.
I also saw Senator Lieberman:( , George Stephanopolous, ? Broder, and I was hoping to see Kucnich, Clark, Kerry or Edwards but they all had to come in by satellite feed because of the fucking Iraq vote. Dean was there Saturday but I couldn't go. Overall it was an excellant conference, very well attended. Hopefully, the Arab community will go strong for the Dem here in MI and keep it in the Dem column.

[meisje]

23. If it had bush above 50, you would cry foul

meaningless

[rocktivity]

24. Maybe the pollsters are doing us a favor

by keeping his approval rate in the fifties, Bush won't feel driven to doing something out of "panic" like this thing with the press.


rocknation

[corarose]

26. I am getting scared because I live in Chicago

Jr is going to blow something up in one of the big cities and I think that the city could be Chicago.

I am getting scared because I am within blocks of the John Hancock bldg.

[radfringe]

27. When do we go to "Orange Alert"?

looking like it's time for an Orange Alert -

We had a "terror" scare at the airport, a Bin-laden tape released/leaked... mmmmmm.... expect to hear a "Saddam" tape in the next few days....

then more "terror" stories

if that doesn't work - we should have at the least a press conference by Ridge, followed by the HOLIDAY TERROR ALERT 2-3 weeks before Thanksgiving

The Whistleass polling "pattern" is breaking out like this -

Numbers drop:

- "leak" terror stories
- drag out a Bin-laden tape
- more terror stories
- drag out a Saddam tape
- "leak" a terror threat statement by a "detainee"
- issue a homeland insecurity statement, followed by press conference
- up the 'lert level

repeat as needed until poll numbers are within acceptable range