Extremists say Katrina was result of Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=9/4/2005&Cat=4&Num=002

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As religious and political leaders offered prayers for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, some Christian fundamentalists suggested the storm was the work of an angry God bent on punishing a sinful nation. snip

Others said the disaster, which may have killed thousands in Louisiana and Mississippi, was revenge for the United States' support of the removal of Jewish settlers in the Gaza Strip.

"Whenever this country encourages Israel to give up any part of their rightful God-given land we have suffered the consequences," wrote a discussion-board participant on the Web site of the Christian Broadcasting Network.

A Philadelphia group called Repent America said the hurricane was sent by God to prevent an annual gay-pride festival that was due to take place this weekend. "We must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," said Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits." snip

But Franklin Graham, who heads the evangelical charity Samaritan's Purse, said on the Fox News Channel on Thursday night that the mayhem and looting in New Orleans could be traced to a lack of religious instruction.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Get thee away from me Satan

These people are so FUBAR.

[bribri16]

17. So why didn't lightening strike Sharon? n/t

[TrogL]

29. Indeed

retro me Satanos

[anitar1]

53. These sick koolade purveyors should be

loked up in a loony bin. Especially Franklin Graham. They are so eager to get more paying sicko's signed up for monthly payments.

[Missy M]

2. I think all these godly people should be required to go to NO and

elswhere to search for the dead and do the clean up. They all make me sick and I for one am tired of hearing their nonsense.

[Why Syzygy]

3. Count on them to pronounce

gawed's intentions! The bible clearly states that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because their inhabitants refused to provide hospitality. It had NOTHING to do with sex, according to that particular myth or whatever.

This is so BS. I was wondering how long it would take them to come up with some idiotic scheme or another.

Oh And. Like the US MADE Israel withdraw? Wasn't that Sharon's plan?

God must be merciful. He allows fundies to spew.

[Ian David]

4. It's an angry President punishing blue city of poor people in a red state

Now Halliburton gets to clean everything up, developers get to build anything they want, and all those poor, black people are either displaced or dead.

Let's try and re-locate them all to a swing-state! How about Ohio?

We should be getting those people to re-register to vote or get them absentee ballots right now.

[0007]

5. Tea reading is the only science & FAUX News is only for the thinking man!

[HereSince1628]

6. Someone's god is vengeful and apparently has poor aim that

makes god one truly scary character.

[fujiyama]

7. I wish there was an island somewhere

where we could house all these crazy loonatic fundies (of all religions).

And then hopefully a big tidal wave or tropical storm would strike it...
Or better yet, maybe the island would have an active volcano...

You get the idea.

Then again, the tidal wave would probably not be necessary. The fundies would kill eaxh other off in a fit of rage before any natural disaster would strike.

[Burried News]

8. Well good - let's really piss them off and return the entire West

Bank to the Palestinians.

[cloud_chaser1]

18. Lets not forget....

when Israel came into possession of the West Bank, it was Jordanian territory, not Palestinian and it was literally ceded top Israel because the King of Jordan announced he would NOT try to get back that land.
Israel won the land during the 6 Day war of 1967. They also won the Sinai Peninsula in the same 6 Day war but gave it back to Egypt in exchange for a peace treaty with Anwar Sadat.
Whatever territory Israel holds beyond its original borders, came as the result of wars started by the arab states.
As for Palestinians, they are just Arabs as are all the rest of them. They didn't even call themselves Palestinians until 1967.

[wuushew]

26. You can't "win" territory through warfare and comply with the U.N.

Either consider it an un-administered section of Jordon or a Palestinian territory awaiting recognition as a sovereign state. Under no circumstances is a notion of a Greater Israel legitimate.



Resolution 242 (1967)
of 22 November 1967



The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

2. Affirms further the necessity

(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

3. Requests the Secretary-General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

4. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.

Adopted unanimously at the 1382nd meeting.

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. It was not ceded to Israel.

In '48, Jordan refused to recognize the partitioning of the Palestinian Mandate and in a land grab tried to claim all the West Bank for itself, in violation of the UN decision which would have established a Palestinian state there. Such partitions were favored at that time, i.e., N & S Korea, N & S Vietnam, India/Pakistan, etc. It remained in Jordanian hands until '67 when the Israelis took it in the 6 Day War. After their own bloody rebellion by the PLO and Black September, the Jordanians renounced their claim to the West Bank. That didn't make it part of Israel, even though Israel had physical control there. All it did was acknowledge that the UN partition of '48 was valid. Therefore, all Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal and in violation of the original partition, just as was Jordan's occupation of the West Bank.

You are correct that there was only the smallest Palestinian nationalist movement at the time of the partition and the locals did not have any national identity as being Palestinian or Jordanian.

[Autonomy]

72. Native Americans didn't have any "national identity" either

other than tribal identity. I guess they asked for what they got because they didn't categorize themselves as members of a nation-state.

[Why Syzygy]

66. Well that god of theirs

sounds like one very confused individual. :crazy:

[SweetLeftFoot]

9. I am so glad I am not American

You pay for the apartheid wall but can't shore up the levees in NO.

You pay each settler thief family hundreds of thousands of dollar to get off stolen land while refugees starve in your own country.

And then they say their God hates you.

Er-fecking-mazing.

[FlaGranny]

27. Can you elaborate your second

sentence? I don't quite understand your meaning. Do you mean Gaza? Do you have a link for that info? That is something I have not heard. I know that our government sends a lot of money to Israel, and some of that money is probably being used to pay those settlers, but I haven't heard about direct payments to settlers. Direct or indirect, I guess does not make a whole lot of difference.

"Refugees" are not starving because we have no food - they were starving because of the uncaring incompetence of clueless "leaders."

[Psephos]

74. I'm glad you're not, too.

No offense, I'm merely agreeing with you.

We seem to have enough people already who are good at the rage thing or good at the withering cynical thing. What we need more of here are people who are good at rolling up their sleeves and helping make things better through their actions, not their words.

Be great in act, as you have been in thought.
- Shakespeare

Peace.

[NuttyFluffers]

10. Can we have a progressive auto de fey against reactionaries?

Pretty please? With sugar on top? I'll smile with dimples if we can!
:evilgrin:

[Demeter]

11. I'll Bring the Marshmallows; Even Learn to Knit

and take a nice French name: Madame LaFarge; in honor of the displaced Arcadians!

[NuttyFluffers]

12. We can even wear robes and say "thee" and "thou" and stuff!

first we'll jump up and down on them :bounce:
then light their fingers as cigarettes :smoke:
and then we'll eat the juicy parts :9
and finish off with :popcorn: :donut: :evilgrin:

[struggle4progress]

15. All in the name of spreading the Gospel, of course.

:evilgrin:

[still_one]

13. and al queada said a similar thing, only for their cause

it is amazing how primitive people are

Katrinia was a natural event, probably contributed to by the gradual global warming that is occurring

[The Stranger]

14. Kick and recommend for greatest.

Four more for this article -- counter the Right Wing hate spin with evidence of their own hate.

[Don Claybrook]

16. Hey, Repent America: they had the parade anyway.

I guess your hateful and murderous god failed. NPR had a story about it this morning. Only 12 people showed up for the parade, but they by god showed up and had their parade anyway.

The parade went on, but many chuches were destroyed. Let that bounce around your vile little fundamentalist head for awhile, Michael Marcavage.

These fundamentalist sob's get no free pass ever again. I'll call them unchristlike, malignant hatemongers every time they are. I'll make fiscal conservatives defend their acquiescence to this sort of crap. I'll make churchgoers either repudiate all this crap or sign on to it. These fundamentalists, from Robertson to Franklin Graham to the entire SBC need to be destroyed, eradicated, dealt with. And I'll blast the **** out of anyone who tries to defend these pigs on grounds of religious freedom. Religious freedom ends where hurting other people begins.

They've caused too much suffering, they've enabled and shaped the policy of a little dictator. They've stood by to tut-tut the "sins" of people who are dying in agony. They're doing their damndest to warp the Constitution to mean something it never did; they're attempting to kill it. They claim that they're a majority, and that they're persecuted.

Time's up, fundamentalists.

[NYC]

43. Talk about undaunted.

They held the parade? Good for them.

[Deja Q]

19. Then why didn't God go after Palestine then?!

Loose association: a symptom of psychosis?

[onager]

20. Religious believers just never learn...

Jerusalem, 30 August, 70 CE:

Titus walked into the so-called Holy Place, where only the Jewish high priest had been allowed to tread...He walked a little farther on, through a curtained opening, into the Holy Of Holies, God's abode, where even the high priest could venture only on the Day Of Atonement.

On the day the Temple fell, Titus found God's room to be empty...

Meanwhile, the Zealots looked to the heavens, certain that the prophecies of old would be fulfilled and God would smite the heathen violators of the Temple and save the Jews.

But their prayers went unanswered, their expectations were unfulfilled.

From "Caesar's Legion" by Stephen Dando-Collins. In this section, he's describing the final Roman assault on Jerusalem.

[anitar1]

54. Religion, the scourge of the world. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

68. Yeah. What would jesus do?

Nothing.

[leesa]

21. I am sure there were more Fundie Christians in the area, so why did God

off them? Blaming others is a solid trait of Republicans and especially the GOP fake Christian brand of Republican.

Did your little fantasy of the Rapture get screwed up with the Gaza re-settlement? What a shame!

[Miss Chybil]

22. Katrina was the result of a natural phenomenon most likely

exacerbated by a rise in the temperature of the ocean due to global warming. Period.

[Why Syzygy]

69. And the offshore drilling.

Remember reading that the tsunami last year was DIRECTLY geologically related to pumping a bunch of oil out of the area.

[sakabatou]

23. Wonder what'd they say if a hurricane hit their churches

Losuy fundies.

[IndianaGreen]

24. These are the same people that blamed Jews for the Holocaust

It was our refusal to accept the Divinity of the Christian Apollo that prompted the Almighty to punish us with the Holocaust.

How is this different from what Al-Qaeda says about Katrina? Or from what the lunatic homophone Fred Phelps says? Or Pat Robertson?

Why do we even provide a forum for these Jihadists in our midst?

[FlaGranny]

25. At least SOMEONE is calling them "extremists" - even

if it had to be an Iranian newspaper.

[ajacobson]

28. Somebody hit me in the head with a 2x4

so I can think like these people think.

[Mari333]

30. These people are crazier then shithouse rats

and are of the same mental (illness) stripe as Al Queda fundamentalism.

[VegasWolf]

31. They are worried that giving up Gaza will fuck up god's plans for the

Armageddon!

[sam sarrha]

32. w got elected because 48% of voters had their heads up their asses

not because some "Jealous" (sounds neurotic) god hates us because we dont placate his egotistic demands..that is just Extortion..

[Zynx]

33. They sound like the Islamists. Maybe they should go meet.

[Zhade]

34. That's pretty extreme, alright.

Also deranged and delusional, to think they KNOW for a fact that an unproven mythic being decided thus.

[Seabiscuit]

35. What a relief! Here I thought it had something to do with global warming!

[eauclaireliberal]

36. RE: "Extremists say Katrina was result of Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza"

Cuckoo-Cuckoo...Cuckoo-Cuckoo...Cuckoo-Cuckoo

[Akoto]

37. I see their point. Now, if you'll excuse me ...

I'm late for my daily tribute to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[anotherdrew]

38. reported from IRAN ! pot->kettle.black

[MisterP]

40. reported from Reuters

it's Squattermania!

[mitchum]

39. What an incredibly fucked up god they worship!

[NYC]

41. Can't be. It was caused by a flying foetus.

I saw the photograph. If the search function worked, I would find it for you.

(In the same thread, someone posted a picture of a shrimp. The hurricane and shrimp really did look alike.)

[nodehopper]

42. the jesus landing pad platform

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0420,perlstein,53582,1.html

[progressivebydesign]

44. Funny that these people ALSO decided South Carolina was their eden.

I've read that many of the christian extremists want to move to the South, to form their own country. Then, when a hurricane wipes out their fake country, we can all talk about how God apparently didn't love them.

[StellaBlue]

45. Religious instruction?

How does he explain the Looter-in-Chief, then?

How can people's minds be SO small?

:banghead:

[Zenlitened]

50. Maybe he meant swimming lessons. Don't they teach that at the "Y"?

</end sad, bitter irony>

[Lecky]

75. They are completely brainwashed so that it has affected their ability

to use common sense and logic. In fact, they probably think that common sense and logic is the work of the devil.

To put it quite simply...They are nuts.

[StellaBlue]

46. Isn't there some book that came out recently

about how all fundamentalisms share the same basic beliefs?

(like subjugation of women, fear of sex, advocacy of voilence, denial of sensual pleasures, etc etc etc)

[Chicago Democrat]

47. Oh natch... Couldn't be God's revenge for all the STUPID PEOPLE?

THat run the US and who have killed so many thousands through hubris and cruelty!?

[rocktivity]

48. Rocknation says Katrina was result of Pat Robertson

calling for Hugo Chavez assassination.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Zenlitened]

49. There is no situation so bad...

... that religious fundamentalists can't find a way to make it worse.

:puke:

[ngGale]

51. Now I remember why I hated church as a kid...

this bunch is still the same. Two words for the fundies, "false prophet."

[KamaAina]

52. So when Bush** withdraws from N.O., a storm will hit Israel?

I don't quite get it. Too much for such a simple man. Criminetly.

[arwalden]

55. They Are All Psychotic FREAKS!! Screwballs! Loons!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

56. No, it is BOTH Israel and godless Nawlins behavior

Hey, bucko, the sun rose yesterday pretty damned close to where it roise this morning. God's will? or planetary movement controlled by mass, gravity and inertia?

No, it has to be the former. The latter is too complex for them to understand

[gizmo1979]

58. Wow

Just wow.

[Megahurtz]

59. Oh give me a fucking break.

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

60. Fuck them all

All the fucking nutcakes that have a cause for this storm other than the weather and maybe God (not a vengeful God) can go to hell. Get a grip you fucking wackos. This isn't the first disaster in the US and the world and it certainly won't be the last.

[jahyarain]

61. and...

this is why i can no longer tolerate christianity. at all.

[Lecky]

76. Not all Christians are insane n/t

[geniph]

62. It's time to recognize these radical clerics for what they are:

TERRORISTS.

It's time we recognized religious mania as the psychosis that it clearly is and locked these people away where they can no longer cause harm to others.

[Chovexani]

63. I'm sure there's some starving lions in the New Orleans zoo. (n/t)

[Az_lefty]

64. Has Falwell blamed the Gays/Lesbians yet???

[AZBlue]

65. "Repent America" did

Whoever they are.

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. I read that as Repellant America.

If the shoe fits...

[dbonds]

67. What a load of crap, we all know the aliens caused this!

:sarcasm:

[Lecky]

77. Heh...no those people probably believe aliens to be evil demons

[Mairead]

71. Call the Language Police: "extremist" is a poor substitute for "lunatic"

And anyone who'd claim that about a natural disaster is a lunatic, suffering from major delusions.

It borders on criminal that the press would treat their ravings with more respect than those they could hear on any urban street corner. There's an agenda there, and it's vicious.

[sendero]

73. Fundies..

.... are so funny. If I see one I'm going to ask them just what horrible sin Ronald Reagan committed that forced god to put him into a drooling demented state for over a decade.

I'm really interested in their answer.