Just heard on CBS news ALL FEMA RELOCATIONS STOPPED.

[bee]

citing evacuees not wanting to go. MA has been preparing for two days now.. FEMA says it might not bring people. (reported by a Boston TV station). Heres the link to the station that reported it... no link to the story yet...

http://cbs4boston.com/homepage/

[MSgt213]

1. They are taking these people too far away from their homes.

A lot of them still want to eventually go back.

[bee]

3. yep.

And they didnt take that into consideration BEFORE asking far away states to make preparations. Another total fuckup by FEMA.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. No shit! How fucking dehumanizing! Who of us would like to lose

everything, be plucked up from our roots, brought to some other area of the nation and left in a halfway house or stadium?

[TomInTib]

9. wouldn't you just love to leave NO and

end up in Provo, UT
or Minnesota
or Massachusetts
or anywhere but the Gulf Coast?

A lot of these folks have never been out of New Orleans in their lives. Heck, I am sure that there are those whose families have not been out of the city for generations.
Ya gotta know N O.

[Ravenseye]

48. I'd probably be dying to go back.

I'd want to go back and just work for room and board to help clean up my city. I wouldn't want to be shuffled off to some concentration camp. I'd want to lend my hands.

Why aren't they recruiting volunteers from these places and 'arming' these people and getting them ready to go in as a huge organized force of volunteeers?

[aquart]

2. Maybe because FEMA can't tell them what happens next.

After all, these people were stranded in the SuperDome, and on highways...just dumped and left.

Maybe they're a touch wary of it happening again.

They want to go home.

[krkaufman]

10. Agreed. In large part, they probably don't want to go anywhere....

... without knowing the bigger picture. They may feel that they'll get lost in the shuffle when they get moved around, aside from being moved to areas of the country that they'd prefer not to live. (I'm think New Orleans residents wouldn't have a great love for Northeastern winters.)

[BrendaStarr]

Also maybe they believe that when they go there home will be subject

to eminent domain seizure for the new Disneyfied New Orleans too.

And in most disasters they keep you close to home. Some of these people don't even know where their kids are.

[Wordie]

39. Yep...they need to try to re-establish whatever sense of community

is possible, just in order to heal from such a trauma. How can they do that if they are spread out all over the country?

Probably some worry if they would ever be able to get back home, once sent far away (these are the same people who didn't have enough money to leave, remember).

FEMA really gets an "F" on this.

[DELUSIONAL]

4. The victims are being put in concentration camps

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg1

picture and details of an Oklahoma concentration camp

or Indian type Reservations.

[bee]

6. I said exactly that last night to my man....

They were showing "camp edwards" in MA.. and interviewing whoever the military guy in charge was... and when the reporter asked him if they would be able to come and go as they please... he said... "well... we consider them guests". A TOTAL non-answer, which means... no.

[bmcatt]

11. Buses to...

Someone in another thread commented that seeing the buses loaded with people was very reminiscent of watching trains to Auschwitz being loaded.

Who are the clueless schmucks running this country and how on earth did we let them get there?

[beetbox]

15. Keep following this

Reports from people in Ceiba, PUerto Rico, indicate that at least 1,000 survivors of Katrina are being brought to the (supposedly closed but still run and restricted by) Roosevelt Roads Navy Base. This has precedence, when Haitian survivors of a hurricane ended up in Ft. Allen, Puerto Rico. The people are kept from the press, and from the civilians outside. And if the survivors don't speak Spanish they will have a hard time communicating even if they can get out.

[bee]

24. hell... why dont they just bring em to gitmo and get it over with...

theyre being treated like prisoners anyway. what next... they all mysteriously die from a fast speading * plague that nobody could have anticipated?

[seemslikeadream]

25. their next nefarious move?

"federal agencies are treating people who have done nothing but lose all they ever owned to a natural disaster as if they are criminals waiting to make their next nefarious move?"



Breaking: MSNBC: Four people in New Orleans have died from an airborne bacteria.

www.legitgov.org/

[sattahipdeep]

49. If flammable oils mingled with flaming gas leaks,

"God bless us", the mayor warned. :Incomprehensible Reality:

The dangers prompted Mr Nagin to issue an emergency
declaration late on Tuesday, authorising police and military to
remove anyone who refused to leave their homes.

"There are toxins in the water,
gas leaks... We are fighting at
least four fires... It is not safe,"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4221310.stm

Fears have been realized....

"The right fix is to fire the person who led to 3,000 people dying by making
bad calls," Van Auken said. "That is the right fix. We have the wrong fixes
in place."

"We fought for the commission so we could have a full accounting of how
the attacks could have happened and why they weren't prevented,"
Breitweiser said. "This goes to show that all of our efforts and energies
trying to make the nation safer by having the independent commission give
a full accounting to the American people were futile."

"There are no words to describe our disappointment in our personal
sacrifice getting that commission up and running and in the promises that
were made to us that we would have the real 9/11 story told," Van Auken
said. "None of that has come to pass and that is very sad."

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050811/NEWS/508110430

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072905_mckinney_911_briefing.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

54. They're tyrin' to wash us away

http://www.etext.org.nyud.net:8090/Zines/TwilightTimes/oct02/images/pas_Ophelia_sm.jpg

What has happened down here is the winds have changed
Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain
Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline
The river rose all day
The river rose all night
Some people got lost in the flood
Some people got away alright
The river have busted through clear down to Plaquemines
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tyrin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has done
To this poor crackers land."
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away

Randy Newman

[Canuckistanian]

38. Everyone must have a shower before entering the re-education camp...

Is this America? At least Cuba is more honest about their oppression.

[AlCzervik]

7. How many times do they think they can move before they snap?

these people are already traumatized by the horror of what they've been through and god only knows the things they have seen and they want to keep moving them around, enough is enough.

[Erika]

8. Bush should build quarters for them in Louisiana

and keep them in their home state. Slavery ended. We can no longer ship people off according to "space available". What a loss to their dignity.

[bee]

14. They built a small village for Andrew survivors...

didnt see THEM being sent off to military bases 1000 miles away. Would I want to live on a NG base in MA? HELL NO. And Im only one state away as it is!

[Erika]

17. Delete dupe

They should be allowed to stay in the region they have friends, neighbors, and family until permanent housing can be built.

[Wordie]

40. Habitat for Humanity is starting a program to build modular housing.

I think they call it, "A House in a Box" because it can be assembled in one city and then shipped to another. (I believe it was the president of Habitat that was talking about this on Larry King this past week.)

Habitat is a great organization, btw. You can access their Katrina response info on their website here:
http://www.habitat.org/disaster/2005/katrina/default.aspx

[Erika]

18. Thanks for the info

They should be allowed to stay in the region they have friends, neighbors, and family until permanent housing can be built.

[OKthatsIT]

12. FEMA FAILS

Keeping family groups together is very important. Once they're found, they should be united, ASAP. Setting up location of family members should be automated.

Everyone in FEMA should be carrying a portable notepad computer to write down where each member is in transit and when and where they arrive in relocations centers. All info would automatically go into the database.

They sure could learn something from UPS or FEDEX, huh?

[amandabeech]

13. Perhaps the evacuees will be more amenable to moving

once they're a little less "shocked and awed."

Perhaps FEMA should ask again in a few weeks. Pictures of the new digs and the environs might be helpful. Finding less isolated sites would also help, I should think. The ability to come and go to at least a large town would help.

However, for those with children, staying in the same school for a year or a semester would be best.

Just heard on CNN: NO schools will not open this year.

[Kagemusha]

16. The ones who went to Utah weren't told anything

because people had started refusing to go on when they heard where they were going.

Now people are refusing to go on when they haven't heard a thing at all.

[bee]

21. and who can blame them

get on the plane
where are you taking us?
get on the plane
umm, where are we going?
get on the plane
hell no Im not getting on the fucking plane!

[MO_Dem]

22. I heard that the people sent to D.C.

had no idea that's where they were going, too. How the hell can the Fed. gov't just pick up people and dump them somewhere without telling them where they are dumping them? This is INHUMANE. They are treating them like they are convicted criminals.

[Sgent]

19. We still have 400 beds available in MS

about 250 miles from NOLA (near Memphis).

Apparently FEMA doesn't want them near the city.

[silverlib]

20. I heard earlier today that FEMA was

stopping relocation due to concerns about infectious disease.

I fear quarantine may be another word for concentration camps.

[LibDemAlways]

23. Whose bright idea was it to ship these people

out of state with no say as to their destination? Many probably have relatives elsewhere in Louisiana. Others no doubt have friends or relatives throughout the US. Shouldn't the first order of business be to determine which evacuees know someone willing to take them in, and provide them with the means to get to that unique support system?
Temporary shelter must be provided for those without a place to stay, but the location should be determined - to the extent possible - by the individual evacuee. For God's sake, these people have lost everything. And the government seems determined to rob them of their dignity, too.

And where are the checks? When my grandmother's home was flooded in Pennsylvania back in 1972, the feds handed her $5000.00 - a grant, not a loan - on the spot. Many were provided with trailers and families stayed together. It seems to me if we have billions to kill Iraqis, we ought to have the wherewithal to handle this situation without resorting to the forced removal of destitute people to concentration camps.

The government response to this catastrophe makes me ashamed to be an American.

[bee]

26. Yesterday I heard they were going to give them ATM cards...

yeah... so they can keep track of what theyre buying. Maybe bill em later for the "non-essentials"

Katrina... the OTHER quagmire.

[RebelOne]

47. I heard on the news this morning that they were issued

ATM cards for $200. But they were issued by the Red Cross.

[yorkiemommie1]

27. of course it would never occur to them

to consult w/ some psychologists, and sociologists and social workers as to how to help these people.

note to bush: no matter what your mama says, these are PEOPLE.

_______________________________________________________________

"If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"
-- William Shakespeare

________________________________________________________________

[Mikimouse]

33. Let me be the first to assure you...

the sociologists are most definitely watching and taking notes. I am one of them.

[lasttrip]

28. "to relocate is to disappear."

cant say i blame them.

[preciousdove]

29. NOT LBN Link below I have been posting this all day...

The evacuation was being run by order of a judge in TX. It was handed over to FEMA yesterday and they just stopped doing anything and using the people not wanting to go as an excuse to do nothing, yet again.

Katrina evacuee relocation thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4657680#4662127

#92. Evacuee transfer in Texas on hold (by FEDS) 230,000+
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/090705dntexkatrinaairlift.

07:37 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 6, 2005
Associated Press

AUSTIN - While the airlift of Hurricane Katrina refugees out of Texas appeared to be on hold, plans to move some to cruise ships in Galveston have also been postponed.

Then federal authorities took over the operation (Unified Command) and by Monday planes still weren't taking off. At the same time, for the first time in days, there were no buses or planes in the official evacuation effort carrying evacuees into Texas, the governor's office said.

It was unclear when any flights might actually leave.

FMEA says: Federal Emergency Management Agency spokesman Dean Cushman said Monday, "We are not coordinating it as of right now

[bee]

31. sorry. didnt see your posts at all today & cant search due to level 3

[preciousdove]

34. Welcome to DU Bee and thanks for posting...

I was just updating the timelime a little hurriedly and tactless. I am not a MOD and the worst that can happen is that the thread is locked or moved. No harm done.

I am on dialup and trying to google the new locations they are using. with accounts in the news. I could see this travesty coming and figured that the more information available the for research here and (we get picked up on google) the better.

I also thought of so many miltary complexes looking like concentration camps and after being left to die in NOLA, and MS I sure wouldn't be trusting FEMA at this point and might do something rash so I thought we might be able to keep an eye on FEMA so they didn't start imprisoning people for PTS reactions.

[donheld]

30. Concentration camps is right

This is very ugly america. I can't believe what we do to our own people.

[Secular Agent Man]

32. This is a colossal f*ckup. I feel as though no one

is in charge of this nation. No one.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Washington DC Mayor sent bus caravan ... returns with only ONE woman

New Oleanders do not want to leave their city.

Would you want to leave yours?

[merwin]

36. Anyone notice that this comes a few hours after the Mayor authorized

the removal of all of the people from New Orleans?

This administration is doing the complete opposite of everything they are asking.

[supernova]

37. They forgot that "hometown" factor

that people generally love where they came from. They don't want to relocate somewhere else, based on nothing more than someone else's whim about what they want. :grr:

[formercia]

41. Moving Democratic voters out of the State

There's more than one way to win the next election.

[Blaq Dem]

42. They sent them to Texas so that Texas can get ALL the federal money...

Sadly, that $10 billion will not go to hurricane survivor. I don't think they'll get $1 billion. All that will go to corporate fat cats and Texas.

It's all about greed.

[rainbow4321]

53. Can't be that much $$ since Perry has tried to send them to NY and PA

..and he got pretty pissed when FEMA stepped in and stopped him.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/090705dntexkatrinaairlift.2e961580.html


But he said that if he were in charge, those planes might be in the sky sooner.

"If I were a dictator, I might do things on a different timetable, but I'm not and I understand and I respect that," said Perry, who toured emergency shelters set up on the former Kelly Air Force Base. "We're going to do everything we can to have these individuals ready to go when the call comes in."

[0007]

43. Who in the hell would want to be dropped off in Utah?

Or any place further than twenty-four hours away from their home & friends?

[Blaq Dem]

44. MONEY, that's why

Under than sport athletes, there are no blacks in Utah. FEMA sent black NO to Utah because the state will get money for them. Whence the money run out, then they'll kick them out.

[Dunvegan]

45. Can someone from Texas Democratic HQ...

...start coordinating voter registration on all the Texas displaced persons?

Pretty please~

[Dunvegan]

46. And Utah Democratic voter registration...

...for those interested NOLA folks, too.

[Solly Mack]

50. The survivors are being treated like discards

like something you can just put anywhere and everywhere...without consideration one that they are human....without consideration one that families don't want to be seperated...without consideration one that they WILL want to return HOME to New Orleans eventually.

It's as if it's already fixed in some people's minds that the survivors from New Orleans will just up and move out of New Orleans forever and never go back.

Like they should just leave everything to the wrecking ball and never look back.

They are being treated high-handed and paternalistic. They are being further & further robbed of their human dignity everyday.

I've heard a report of a few survivors ending up in Alaska (on CNNI)


I'm beyond livid.

The man-made disaster that is Bush has harmed and killed more that nature's Katrina.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

51. How it should work...

Neighborhoods should be relocated to the same facility or at least the same city, so that community support groups can be somewhat maintained. People who know each other can determine the last known whereabouts of neighbors and loved ones. Temporary instituions like schools and churches can still function, albiet marginally. Dispersing a neighborhood to the four winds only harms the neighborhood's ability to rebuild.

[54anickel]

55. I believe that may be part of the objective -

Dispersing a neighborhood to the four winds only harms the neighborhood's ability to rebuild.

[Dunvegan]

52. Exactly right, Jeff...

...as much as is humanly and humanely possible.