U.S. indicts man who threw bomb at Bush, -this is barely being reported

[freemen2005]

Turns out the guy that thew that grenade, actually through a live grenade.
I think the U.S. government wanted this story kind of covered up so that Bush Jr wouldn't look like a hated or disliked person.
THat guy got so close, If he had a good arm or someone else had thrown it, the grenade would have scored a direct hit.. }(


U.S. indicts man who threw bomb at Bush
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...1,2899639.story
Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published September 8, 2005


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A man who admitted throwing a live grenade toward President Bush during a rally in the former Soviet republic of Georgia was indicted Wednesday by a U.S. grand jury on charges of trying to assassinate the president.

Vladimir Arutyunian already faces terrorism and murder charges in Georgia stemming from the May 10 incident in the capital of Tbilisi and the killing of a police officer in a shootout before his arrest in July.

Bush and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili were behind a bulletproof barrier addressing a rally of thousands in Tbilisi in May when the grenade in a plaid cloth landed about 100 feet away. It did not explode. No one was harmed.

The two-count indictment by a grand jury in Washington also charges Arutyunian with a related weapons charge. He could face life in prison if convicted.



No one is covering this story..

[FloridaPat]

1. Has this guy been extradited to the US? How does he face

terrorism charges? Is everything terrorism now?

[Xithras]

10. He threw the bomb into a crowd of innocent people

If it had detonated, it wouldn't have injured Bush but could have killed DOZENS of innocent bystanders. Last I checked, that qualifies as terrorism.

The US is only charging him with trying to assasinate Bush. The rest of the charges are from Georgia (remember, the guy killed a Georgian police officer too).

[daleo]

2. The whole incident has been a strange one.

Who knows if what we have heard even scratches the surface.

[NYC]

20. Russian reports at the time said the grenade was a dud.

Russian man (don't remember who) may have said the grenade was a training type of grenade that couldn't explode. Also said that there was no indication Bush was the target OR it didn't get close to Bush. I'm going by memory. He made light of it. The Russian man was some kind of security person or politician, likelier security.

[Judi Lynn]

3. Why won't Bush let Venezuela extradite a REAL killer, a mass murderer

Luis Posada Carriles, who took part in murdering seventy three people including children, in a mid-air airliner bombing in October, 1976?

If he's so hot to make sure assassins or would-be assassins get what's comin' to 'em, you'd think he wouldn't be protecting a bomber.

Well, it runs in the family. His dad pardoned the OTHER bomber plotter, Orlando Bosch.



Luis Posada Carriles, Orlando Bosch

[0007]

4. I second that.

[tom_paine]

22. For the same reason the Busheviks will NEVER catch Bin Laden

They leave their employees alone, especially if there's more work for them to do.

[mitchum]

5. Is there a defense fund?

I'm just curious

[unrepuke]

12. ...or Spring Training, to improve his aim...

:evilgrin:

[mitchum]

24. LOL!!! It is "the great American past time"

[Jim Sagle]

19. He could just auction off his autograph!

;)

[MGKrebs]

6. Just for the record...

To anyone who may be reading this thread, I would like to say that for myself and I am sure the vast majority of the members here, we in no way advocate, support, fantasize about, or find humor in, blowing up, or even trying to blow up, kill, or injure the President of the United States, or any other person for that matter.

Personally, I find it way beyond poor taste, it is twisted and demented to even think it might be funny or clever in any way. I would urge anyone who has such thoughts to seek professional psychological help, just like I would for someone who would joke about maiming cats or advocate harming gays.

[yurbud]

8. violence is counterproductive and could lead to further repression

[Autonomy]

9. Agreed.

However, fantasizing about Bush doing time in a federal prison is totally acceptable. :)

[Tiggeroshii]

11. I was thinking the same thing.

I do fantasize about what life would be like without the man, but that's along the lines of him having found a better career to make money off of. I wouldn't hate him as much, that's for sure. And I wouldn't hate him as much if he were not President no matter what the circumstances. Prison would nice.

[NeoConsSuck]

17. I'm sure you're also including

in your referrals for psychological help, the many Americans (including the media) who came in their pants and jumped for joy after viewing the pictures of Saddam's dead sons.

When you think about it, who killed more Iraqi's, the Bush family or Saddam's sons? And after Katrina, who killed more Americans, Bush or Saddam's sons?

[MaineDem]

7. How can a US grand jury indict for an event in Georgia?

What am I missing here?

Isn't this something for the Georgian courts?

[oscarmitre]

23. For some years

the US has assumed a doctrine of extraterritoriality in its laws. It causes problems but some states will give in to it.

[Laughing Mirror]

13. Something's in the air

N.Va. Man Indicted in Plot Against Bush
Torture Allegation Hangs Over Case

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 9, 2005; Page A04

An American student was charged yesterday in an al Qaeda plot to kill President Bush, with prosecutors alleging that Ahmed Omar Abu Ali and his confederates planned to use multiple snipers to shoot Bush or to blow him up in a suicide bombing.

The expanded indictment of Abu Ali, returned by a federal grand jury in Alexandria, also claimed for the first time that he proposed a plan to bring members of an al Qaeda cell into the United States through Mexico. They would then link up with Abu Ali to conduct terrorist operations in this country, the indictment said.

Abu Ali, 24, of Falls Church was first charged in February with terrorism counts that included trying to establish an al Qaeda cell in the United States. That indictment referred to the plot to kill Bush, but Abu Ali was not charged with conspiring to assassinate the president until yesterday. The case is among the highest-profile terrorism prosecutions in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

. . .

Defense attorneys and Abu Ali's family have contended that any statements he made in Saudi custody were obtained through torture. Two doctors who examined Abu Ali found evidence that he was tortured in Saudi Arabia, including scars on his back consistent with having been whipped, defense lawyers have said in court papers.

. . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/08/AR2005090801785.html

[Laughing Mirror]

15. And wasn't Abu Ali already indicted in February? What's going on?

Torture charged in US case alleging plot against Bush
By Bill Van Auken
26 February 2005

The US government made headlines this week by announcing its indictment of an American citizen for allegedly plotting with Al Qaeda to assassinate President Bush. The man who is accused in this document, however, has been the subject of a lengthy—though less publicized—legal battle in which the government is itself accused of having him arrested, detained without charges and tortured abroad, out of the reach of the American courts.

. . .

Within barely one week of this hearing, the government unsealed its indictment alleging an assassination plot and flew Abu Ali back to the US. The timing suggests that these charges are being used as a preemptive strike aimed at derailing a direct challenge to the government’s practice of contracting out illegal detention and torture.

In attempt to quash further public exposure of Abu Ali’s ordeal, the government has imposed a gag order on his family, insisting that they agree not to tell the news media anything that he tells them as a condition for being allowed to visit him in jail. The pretext for this condition—which the family has rejected—is that information provided by the defendant could be a coded message to accomplices. The government has not attempted to explain what secrets Abu Ali would have to relay after nearly two years of being held largely in solitary confinement in Saudi Arabia.

Whatever the government’s intention, the case will inevitably focus attention on the collaboration of US authorities with the Saudi regime.

more illuminating details here

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/ali-f26.shtml

why suddenly all the fuss with these indictments? Is Bush in danger?

[psychopomp]

16. Was this in LBN?

If not, it should be. This young man was without a doubt tortured in S.A.

[neuvocat]

14. You know its pretty ironic

when both the grenade and Bush fail to make an impact.

(Not an original insult, just wanted to borrow that from someone.)

[seriousstan]

18. I see plenty of coverage, national radio, TV and even local news.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/23/world/main711246.shtml
Man Details Failed Grenade Attack

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090701967.html
Grand Jury Indicts Man Who Threw Grenade at Bush

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168737,00.html
Georgian Man Indicted for Attempt on Bush

[IndyJones]

21. I wonder who in their government paid the guy to do it.

[rocktivity]

25. If the grenade landed 100 feet away andwas wrapped in a cloth

is it realistic to believe that Bush was the target? Also, the way this weapon goest from being live from being a dud to being live again is also suspicious.

This story has more gaps in it than Jessica Simpson's wardrobe!

:shrug:
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