MSNBC: New Newsweek Poll: Bush Approval 38% - record low.

[Pirate Smile]

52% of Americans don't trust Bush in a crisis.

Was race a factor:
Whites - yes 31%
Nonwhites - yes - 65%

Bush's Approval for Terrorism and Homeland Security -
Approval 46%
Disapproval 48%.

Are you satisfied with the direction the Country is headed:
Satisfied 28%
Dissatisfied 66%

If Congressional Elections were held today, who do you lean toward voting for:
Democrats 50%
Republicans 38%

Absolutely Dismal ##'s for Bush and the GOP.

As reported on MSNBC.

No link yet. I'll post it when it comes on line.

[acmavm]

1. Well, I officially want to put my two cents in on this one.

I still think that these numbers are high, by the way.

[Michydem]

40. the wrong track/right track numbers are horrific though

that is probably his actual approval rating..LOL that is what I will tell myself anyway

[WhiteTara]

68. I agree completely. His approval rating said 26%

BTW, Welcome to DU Michydem :hi:

[Pirate Smile]

69. Link is finally up: "Eye of the Political Storm - A new Newsweek poll....

Eye of the Political Storm

A new NEWSWEEK poll suggests President Bush could become Katrina's next casualty.

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Marcus Mabry
Newsweek
Updated: 1:31 p.m. ET Sept. 10, 2005

Sept. 10, 2005 - Hurricane Katrina claimed her first political casualty Friday. Michael Brown, the head of FEMA, the federal disaster readiness and response agency, was sidelined from the largest disaster relief project in the nation's history. Brown was recalled to Washington by his boss, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. But a new NEWSWEEK Poll suggests the post-Katrina political storm may just be rising. And her ultimate casualty could be President George W. Bush.

In Katrina's wake, the president's popularity and job-approval ratings have dropped across the board. Only 38 percent of Americans approve of the way Bush is doing his job overall, a record-low for this president in the NEWSWEEK poll. (Fifty-five percent of Americans disapprove of his overall job performance.) And only 28 percent of Americans say they are "satisfied with the way things are going" in the country, down from 36 percent in August and 46 percent in December, after the president's re-election. This is another record low and two points below the satisfaction level recorded immediately after the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal came to light. Fully two-thirds of Americans are not satisfied with the direction of the country.

But Katrina's most costly impact could be a loss of faith in government generally, and the president, in particular. A majority of Americans (57 percent) say "government's slow response to what happened in New Orleans" has made them lose confidence in government's ability to deal with another major natural disaster. Forty-seven percent say it has made them lose confidence in the government's ability to prevent another terrorist attack like 9/11, but 50 percent say is has not. (Note: our question asked about "government" in general, so we cannot say whether respondents meant state, local, federal or a combo of any of the three.)

More critical to President Bush and the GOP's future as the nation's majority party: most Americans, 52 percent, say they do not trust the president "to make the right decisions during a domestic crisis" (45 percent do). The numbers are exactly the same when the subject is trust of the president to make the right decisions during an international crisis.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/

[amber dog democrat]

2. and who'se to blame for that?

With 3 more years of * to go, imagine it will only get more interesting.

He may even be forced to resign at some point if enough teflon has worn off - and more of the impeachable offenses are beyond Rove's ability to spin.

I would like seeing it drop into the 20s. Worst President Ever.

[Prodemsouth]

4. Consider he may have to learn to make a go of it without Rove

vry soon.

[electropop]

10. He'll be out by August 2006.

His tailspin is accelerating. He will be impeached and removed, if only to try to save some Puke asses in the 2006 election.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

23. And Dick Chaney would be president of record. Rock and a hard place.

or if Chaney is gone too then it's the definition of political hack - Hastert, so it is worse to worse to worse no winning now that Kerry blew it. We need to win the congress in 2006 to get a handle on this debacle.

If you Google Dick Chaney this comes up first:

Halliburton Company ( Dick Chaney's previous employer)
Halliburton Company ( Dick Chaney's previous employer) ... In 1995, former US Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney joined Halliburton as president and CEO. ...

[FourStarDemocrat]

34. Much as I 'd hate that, it's better than a fundy chimp at the helm. n/t

[calimary]

63. And there are side benefits:

What cheney likes best is working in the darkness, moving in the shadows, manipulating behind closed doors, where nobody can see what he's up to. Like the cockroach he is. He'd have a great time and some champagne for about 6 or 7 minutes before he started suffering BIGTIME. cheney doesn't like center stage. He doesn't like people watching him and everybody able to see and comment and question and second-guess and criticize. And that, they will do, like hungry hyenas, especially after a removal of bush and everyone's sense of outrage and heightened awareness of the sheer evil of this whole bunch. It won't be ANY fun for cheney. Or his faulty ticker either. You could expect, at that point, to see him tender his resignation "to spend more time with the family." Besides, lynne cheney may speak up, pulling her husband back to private life while he still has a gasp left.

At that point, it'll be whomever cheney will have chosen for veep, and that miserable soul will be little more than Gerald Ford 2.0 - a mere placeholder. WHOEVER it is will be damaged goods because, by then, it just won't be cool to be republi-CON anymore. People will have had enough by then, and it will be collectively decided that it's high time to hand things over to the other guys for a change, since these people have fucked eveyrthing up so completely.

And the White House will be back in Democratic hands in 2008.

Where it BELONGS.

Visualize...

Visualize...

Visualize...

[ClintonTyree]

114. In a strictly bipartisan move, Cheney's pick for VP would be...

Zell Miller, to "unify" the country once again. DON'T LAUGH! I can visualize this happening and the Slugs being CONVINCED that they've just offered an olive branch to the Democrats! :puke:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

131. i'd vote for you.

:)

[SlavesandBulldozers]

132. deleted dupe

deleted dupe

[Miss Chybil]

102. Cheney's already at the helm. Bush doesn't run shit. He just

looks better cutting brush.

[ryanmuegge]

67. Wishful thinking...

You're living in a dreamworld in which there is accountability for those in power. I'd like to see the whole administration collapse, of course, but it isn't going to happen. These guys will not give up power. They are obsessed with it. Bush takes his emporer status very seriously. Plus, who controls the House and Senate? Oh, yeah...Repubilcans. Granted, Bush is politically toxic. However, I don't have any faith in any of the little bitches in congress to rock the corporate boat in any way. Those who really control this country, corporate interests, love Bush. Indeed, the corporate interest is the only one that matters.

[belle]

72. They won't give it up, no; and the current Congress won't impreach. So:

It looks like they'll be riding that fall all the way to the end.

In some ways I think: you know what, good. He wanted four more years. Let him have his four more years. All of them, their four more years. Till they choke on them. And till no one wants to see or hear anything out of them or the likes of them ever again.

[Mike_The_Computer]

80. You're right, of course. This has to play out until 2008.

This country has failed itself by allowing these criminals to ascend to the halls of power. We've made our bed, and now we need to lie in it until the bitter conclusion of Bushco's tenure - or else we'll never learn to STOP these assholes from grabbing the reins in the first place.

[Laelth]

83. No, not that long.

Visualize Dems. picking up 8 seats in the Senate and 35 seats in the House in 2006. Impeachment proceedings begin in Jan 2007.

Hehe ....

:bounce:

-Laelth


Wishful thinking, I know, but why not? I haven't had much to be happy about for a long time.

[CTyankee]

113. Yes, and all of the venom will spew forth!

I am visualizing a new breed of Democrats who will retake Congress for us. They will lead this country and hand the REpublicans a crushing defeat.

P.S. Folks, we don't HAVE to have Hastert succeed Bush and Cheney and become President. He could be defeated in his next run for his House seat in 2006. Think upon it.

[0007]

30. It will! Remember there is a 7.5% fudge factor to figure in

on junior's number. So in reality he is about 31%

[amber dog democrat]

41. This is like some classic Greco-Roman myth.

Can you say " hubris " ?
It is my deepest wish the Chimp admin collapses like a house of cards.
And it well may,

[teknomanzer]

47. I think you mean Greek Tragedy...

and it is... perhaps Bush will pluck his eyeballs out and wander the earth with the furies tormenting him until his dying day. If this were like Shakespeare there would be sword play, a death or two, or a suicide.

But since this is reality it occurs to me that Bush may complete his term leaving us all fucked and picking up the pieces. He will go off and live in splendor in his remaining days. He will not however be making any money from speeches as he can't string enough words together to form a coherent sentence even with the aid of a telepromter and an earpiece.

[amber dog democrat]

71. You may be right about his riding out into the sunset

but I like the idea of his being tormented by furies.
He may end up like Bruce Ismay, the director of the White Star Line, living in seclusion and isolation the rest of his life, but I kind of think you are right about this parasite living well the rest of his life.

I think if he uses the same kind of radio transiever device he did during the dabates, Karen Hughes and Rove can do his talkng for him. I would take that act to Vegas.

[teknomanzer]

79. Some act that would be...

Charlie McCarthy Bush is not... I've spent more time gazing at my frontal lobe :eyes: when listening to Bush and his blundering lack of elocution.

[OneGrassRoot]

117. lolol............teknomanzer and amber dog

I needed to be wearing a Depends when I read your comments. Thanks for the chuckle......:rofl:

[blue state liberal]

123. He doesn't have to write any speeches

His enablers will write them for him -- he'll read them (that's if he knows how to read) from the teleprompter or paper. And he'll get mucho big bucks anyway, the SOB

[howmad1]

120. Gee, maybe * becomes that classic "tragic figure"

and contemplates killing himself rather than bear the shame and legacy of "worst president ever". D'ya think?

[sasquatch]

3. Nominated

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. I wish those polls had more specific choices.

For example: Do you believe the Bush administration:

A. sucks
B. blows
C. totally sucks ass
D. is proof that it's possible to suck and blow at the same time
E. is proof that Satan exists
F. all of the above

[Demoiselle]

7. Tee Hee. Thanks for the laugh, ocelot!

(It's pretty hard to laugh these days.)
And you're right...the "poor" choice is the bottom, and it doesn't get anywhere near what I think of these dirtbags.

[Frances]

17. I laughed too

and I needed a good laugh. I have been so depressed because Bush's incompetence has caused so many deaths.

[JoFerret]

58. I saw a bumper sticker

"Bush is a serial killer""

[nookiemonster]

18. BWAHAHAHA

I picked "F". YEA! I am so smart. I am so smart.

:rofl:

[noahmijo]

20. S-M-R-T!!!

:)

[Enraged_Ape]

21. Thanks for that

:rofl:

[calimary]

55. I'd pick "F" on that. "F" in this case also standing for -

you're FUCKED, george.

Or, in the spirit of that local-doctor-versus-cheney incident:

Go FUCK YOURSELF, mr. bush.

[Jade Fox]

6. Oh my god. If he falls below 35%, the Repubs will impeach him themselves.

He's toast. No way he'll last another 3.5 years.

[Pirate Smile]

9. I quickly wrote down the numbers they pointed out but I think the

fact that over a majority can't trust this Administration in a crisis is big.

How are we supposed to live another 3 years with a government that is this incompetent and indifferent to the needs of its citizens in a time of crisis.

We can't take almost four more years of these people in charge. How do you impeach an entire administration? The position this country is in is untenable. It is completely unacceptable.

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. Cut off the head of the snake

And the rest of the snake will die shortly thereafter. Oh, it'll thrash around a bit, but once the business end of it is dispatched, it's of no threat to anyone.

[renate]

106. unfortunately he's not the head

He's the puppet they send out for photo ops. He doesn't even realize that's all he is....

On edit: I say "unfortunately" because it's his approval ratings that are in the toilet, so although this particular head of the snake is at risk, that won't be enough--it's the people pulling his strings that we still need to worry about.

[electropop]

11. You are correct.

He will be impeached and out by August 2006, in a desperate and failed attempt to salvage the '06 election.

[calimary]

56. Spot on. I suspect THIS is the money one.

They'll take out the garbage themselves in a giant cosmetic attempt to prove to the people that the republi-CONS really do care about accountability and that you shouldn't lose faith in them and let them handle things and stay the course.

And by then, I suspect it will fail. Not the IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, but rather their feeble and transparent attempt to manipulate public opinion again.

This is a good day, my loves. A VERY good day.

But let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. We haven't won this yet. rove still exists. richard mellon scaife and limbaugh and Pox "news" and the rest of 'em still exist. But the momentum in their favor no longer exists, and we've been handed some very nice, strong new tools to work with. NOW, WE NEED TO MAKE USE OF THEM - AND GET BACK TO WORK.

But make no mistake - the momentum is now OURS.

[ClintonTyree]

115. It's not that good, our country is hurting and the government.....

is totally out of control. I won't be happy until something is DONE about it. I take no pleasure in seeing Americans hurt or our country free falling into the abyss. When these festering puss-warts LEAVE I'll be happy, until then...............

[rateyes]

77. If a Republican Congress even starts debating

a bill of impeachment...* will "pull a Nixon" and resign before the vote occurs.

[ktowntennesseedem]

107. Perhaps, though I'm not so sure.

Remember that Shrub is unable to admit any mistakes, unable to even THINK of any. So while he may resign if things get ugly enough, I'm more inclined to think he will once again be asking, "What have I done wrong?" and assume he is perfectly insulated from any political fallout. He is surrounded by loyal subjects who worship the ground he walks on and agree with every mangled phrase that spills from his lips. Even if he actually heard from the growing majority that think otherwise, he wouldn't have enough sense to recognize just how ugly things are in this country, let alone realize that he is to blame.

I don't care how he goes out, just go, and the sooner the better.

[countingbluecars]

8. Now if only Fitzgerald would

come out with some indictments.

[maseman]

13. Holy Shit Folks

You know just six months ago we all thought his election was teh end of the world. My GAWWD has times changed in just a few months. The problem was when the election took place people didn't feel the economic crunch enough yet. But now they are feeling it. The neo-con bullshit flagwaving rah-rah Amurica is wearing thin and the sheeple are starting to feel the reality of this crap.

I predict right now that the neo-cons are toast. You can only push an idealogy so far before the people say "HOLD IT!"

I love his dismal ratings. F-Him.

[tinrobot]

25. It was the end of the world for New Orleans

I really fear what worse things will happen if that idiot remains in office another three years.

We HAVE to impeach.

[amber dog democrat]

31. Well as they say,

"Pretty is as pretty does "


but Brownie is doing a heck of a job !

[henslee]

37. Yeah but the cow is out of the barn. How many Corporate freep

coffers were filled during this presidency. They are as powerful as ever with or without the presidency next time around. The environment, energy, prescription drugs, tax breaks, SCOTUS, gerrymandering. It is gonna be a long haul.

[calimary]

57. It's not how many coffers were filled. It's how many COFFINS were filled

on this asshole's watch. And coffins from ALL OVER THE PLACE. From Fallujah to New Orleans and back.

The bushies and the republi-CONS in general would do well to stop turning their noses up at the lessons of history - like those involving certain individuals like Marie Antoinette and Czar Nicholas. Not that I wish that kind of fate on anyone. I don't. But I've been saying to friends and family for years that you shit on the have-nots long enough, and they will rise up to shit back on you. You neglect the have-nots at your peril.

Michael Moore said, last December at a speaking engagement here in L.A., that "you need a permission slip from the poor to get into heaven." The Bible says so, too.

[longship]

48. But I cry for those who died to bring this about

in both Iraq and on the Gulf Coast.
:cry:

[me b zola]

52. Me too :

What a shame for all of those people had to die before the nation began to wake-up from their long slumber.

I mourn for all of those who needlessly died :cry:

[calimary]

59. So let's make sure they didn't die IN VAIN!!! IMPEACH AND REMOVE!!!

THIS is the one and only way to ensure that every last precious soul who drowned in the criminal negligence of New Orleans, and every last Casey Sheehan who died in Iraq for bush's lies - will not have died in vain.

We. Must. Do. It. For. THEM.

IMPEACHMENT AND REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, followed by INDICTMENTS, CONVICTIONS, AND INCARCERATIONS.

[calimary]

64. Welcome to DU!

Glad you're here. What a difference, 'eh?

Doesn't mean we should declare victory yet. We haven't won this. We have to KEEP WORKING.

Eyes on the prize, guys.

Visual-eyes on the prize.

[DeadManInc]

14. I agree with acmavm,

I think these numbers are still high also.

[gristy]

Fitzgerald's indictments, if they do come, could be the straw that

breaks the devil's back. Prior to Katrina, the BFEE may have weathered Fitzgerald, but they are now officially on the ropes and reeling. Fitzgerald just has to find the balls to deliver, knowing that his actions (or lack thereof) will have a profound impact on the future of our country.

[CAcyclist]

50. If The Democrats Would Just Run The Clock Out

on the Supreme Court nominations, maybe we could get rid of him before any choice is made.

And since the way Bush became President was so bizarre, maybe we, the people, can make the government accept a different replacement for Bush than Cheney - Gore, the person who is rightfully President.

One can hope.

[rateyes]

78. Sometimes I hope that Fitzgerald asks for a 12 month extension

for the Grand Jury...keeps Judith Miller in jail for another YEAR, and then he brings indictments about 2 months before the 2006 elections. At the same time, I don't know if the country can stand another whole year of a Bush/Cheney administration.

[Demobrat]

54. I am living for that day

I have thought from the get-go that the Plame affair would be what brought him down, and I still do.

[BootinUp]

12. Something amazing is happening.

He is losing the one illusion he had to prop up his numbers.

[electropop]

15. Once he's lost the "terrism" issue he's toast.

America Van Winkle is waking up.

[ClintonTyree]

118. But 46% still think he's doing an adequate job..........

in the "War on Terra'" and "Homeland Security"? :wtf: We're down to 47 states now because this asshole can't cut his vacation short and get an adequate relief effort going and 46% STILL think he's handling "Homeland Security" alright? What the hell has to happen to this country to make them think he's a total fuck-up in THAT category as well? Something stinks here. Either a majority of Americans don't have any idea what "Homeland Security" IS, or they're actually HAPPY with his job in this area? That number is WAY to high, it doesn't add up. :shrug:

[dbt]

16. So far!

The NEXT poll will also be headlined "bu$h approval at record low." Then, the one after that will bear the same headline, and so on. It is the normal tendency of snakes to go to the low ground.

BURN, motherfucker. BURN.

Remember New Orleans.

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. Trust him in a crisis? Are you kidding? Shit, Bush IS a crisis.

He should be happy his polls are as HIGH as 38%.

[Eurobabe]

73. as posted earlier....

[llmart]

94. Oh, my stars.....

that picture is priceless. I'm printing it out right now to hang in my cube on Monday.

[mwooldri]

109. And it's on a TV network that Rupert Murdoch...

... has considerable influence over. He doesn't own British Sky Broadcasting (formed out of his SkyTV and British Satellite Broadcasting in the late 80's/early 90's) but if he says something should happen there, often it happens there.

[indepat]

22. Is the 38% reaching hard-core base who will support no matter how

calamitous the policies and actions: the ideologically brainwashed and the brain-dead?

[JaneQPublic]

26. I figure it's 32% who'll stand by bush no matter what

Those are the ones who could watch Bush eat a live human baby and still find a way to defend him and blame the Democrats.

So the way I see it, Chimpy's numbers can still drop a few more points.

[indepat]

98. It takes complete intellectual dishonesty to defend him now, so every

one who does is intellectually dishonest to the core, or ignorant, or brain-dead IMHO.

[longship]

51. Hard core base

The poll numbers in another recent poll seemed to indicate that this base is somehwhere around 30%, or a pinch below that. These are the ideologues who will support Chimpster to the end of the world which, if they had their way, would be sooner than later.

So presuming that 38% is accurate, Chimpy could take about another 10 point hit. Of course, those last 10 points would be hard won because anybody supporting Chimp now has at least some ideology behind their support.

Look for him to plunge to 35% over the next couple of weeks and then an increasingly slow descent from there. It would probably not be realistic to see it going below 33% approval any time soon.

[Seabiscuit]

65. Shrub's "base" would lie for him and reiterate Repuke radio hate speech

on his behalf wherever they go even if Shrub walked into their homes and killed all their family members.

That's how blind his supporters are. Lemmings.

[indepat]

100. Lockstepping poltroons IMHO

[belle]

92. I wonder if it's really that high. We'll see, I guess.

[indepat]

99. The 30% who not in the top five percent of income are gawd damn fools

IMHO.

[Triana]

24. Link...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9279799/

[FourStarDemocrat]

27. Rate it up on Yahoo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bush_ap_poll;_ylt=Aptl9J6UOe3TUBZhVK77FpKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

[Barrett808]

32. "President's Approval Rating *Dips* Below 40"

Nice phrasing: "Dips." Implies a temporary state -- American's will surely forgive Bush when the tax cuts save the economy, and then Bush's approval numbers will be at historic highs, where they belong.

Bah.

[FourStarDemocrat]

33. Yeah, sinks and drowns is more like it. n/t

[belle]

93. Well, he *is* a dip...

[Pirate Smile]

28. Thanks. That is the AP poll which has Bush approval at 39%. They still

haven't posted the Newsweek numbers yet.

I wrote the numbers down while MSNBC did a segment on the new Newsweek poll. They do this all the time. Put it out on TV and then we wait for the article.

AP Poll at the link:

Poll: Bush approval dips below 40 percent
AP survey: Lowest rating yet as president criticized over gas prices, Katrina

Updated: 9:04 a.m. ET Sept. 10, 2005
WASHINGTON - President Bush's job approval has dipped below 40 percent for the first time in the AP-Ipsos poll, reflecting widespread doubts about his handling of gasoline prices and the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Nearly four years after Bush's job approval soared into the 80s after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Bush was at 39 percent job approval in an AP-Ipsos poll taken this week. That's the lowest since the the poll was started in December 2003.

The public's view of the nations direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track.

[Mark E. Smith]

29. That would be the AP Poll that put Shit Pants at 39%

The Newsweek Poll has yet to be linked.

[Pirate Smile]

35. Bush's Disapproval number was 55%. They just stated that on MSNBC.

I missed that one during the first story.

[CountAllVotes]

36. the Indians are getting restless

I live in Indian country - many are big * supporters because of the war. HOWEVER, I was out last night and was told "We were talking today and we have decided that something must be done about Bush. He does not represent America and he is killing too many people and ruining our country. He must go."

Hekka Ho!

:kick:

[Virginian]

38. How could ANY minority group support this idiot?

Except the minority of Americans who are multi-millionaires.

[tgnyc]

39. Why would Indians be supporters of the war? Unless they're

disproportionately likely to believe the nonsense about it making us safer, I can't think of one thing Indians in particular would think they or anybody important to them would be getting out of it.

[CountAllVotes]

42. well around where I live ...

The indigenous people here are HIGHLY patriotic. For this reason they suppor the war. It is pretty simple I guess. I've never fully understood it myself. I heard a Choctaw from Mississippi call one of the programs on television yesterday and she said she was a * supporter too and that she was hoping he'd start doing a better job soon. *sigh*

Anyway, at least around here they aren't thinking so much of * any longer it seems to me.

[calimary]

61. You're probably going to be seeing that a LOT more - in a LOT wider

and more varied demographic groups.

When Nixon went down, despite a landslide win over McGovern, there came a moment after which you could not find a single soul anywhere who would admit he or she had voted for him. Not for love nor money. NOBODY. Some of us started cackling - "gee... where'd he get all those votes, then, if nobody says they voted for him, HMMMMMMMMM???"

I betcha the same thing will happen here. NOBODY wants to hitch his or her wagon to an anvil. Forecast: widely scattered fair-weather republi-CONS everywhere.

[CountAllVotes]

88. funny you'd mention that

I saw in this place last night some older women that look VERY embarrassed. I bet you anything they voted for *. They were practically hiding their faces in shame. None would *admit* to voting for * I noticed, not a one.

I do not hide my face in shame as I have done everything I can to spread the truth about these criminals that have seized our America. Taking guns away from people in New Orleans, that should be the last straw for many of the "holdouts" I'd suspect. :grr:

I believe that many of these Indians see this now too. So much for the great "warrior" attitude, this is much of what I see that drives this strident "patriotism" in the tribal members (fighting for their country, their land). Much of it is a cultural thing. It takes patience and understanding to realize the rationale behind this. However, I have known for many years having been around it my entire life. You learn to put up with attitudes over time.

It is after all, the Native Americans that own America in reality and now they feel responsible for the actions they are seeing and there are a lot of Indian people in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Louisiana. Lots.

On edit: and, lots of them do indeed vote too!

:kick:

[struggle4progress]

43. " .. And he did right on into an iceberg n' she went right on down .."

Fare Thee Well New Orleans Fare Thee Well

[MasonJar]

44. Even that pug propper-upper Kathleen Parker wrote a scathing

column, "Many failed, but Bush most of all." I wish I knew how to do a link, but I do not; however, the last paragraph read as follows: ""Instead, he came too late to the disaster and caused even supporters to cringe with each ill-chosen word. He lost not only the politician's fantasy photo-op, but he let slip the rarest of opportunies-- that of saving human life and the nation's pride. By his performance in this time of extreme stress, Bush may have revealed a truer self than we were meant to see." She nailed him. I found the column in Courier Journal, A11 (editorial page) (9/09/05.

[calimary]

62. Do they have a website?

If they do, maybe the article's in there. Good post. I'd LOVE to read the whole thing. When his vocal public supporters start turning on him, that's the end.

[54anickel]

89. Might have been from Sept 8 "Leaders didn't rise to the occassion"

Didn't find that exact quote but search on Kathleen Parker and there are some good articles out there.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/opinion/12604628.htm

Kathleen Parker was right in her Sept. 8 column, "Leaders didn't rise to the occasion."

This was no time for the president to falter, to take time to weigh the potential political impact before taking action. Our country needed a leader, a compassionate leader. And George Bush is not that - and never has been.

We all realize there will be plenty of guilt to go around in this catastrophe. Fortunately, the American people know how to respond to disaster and tragedy - by immediately reaching out in every way imaginable to help. Our leaders may leave a lot to be desired, but our citizens are generous and caring.

JANE DALLET

Parker's eyes are finally opened

I can't believe what I've just read! The consistently right-leaning cheerleader for the Bush administration, Kathleen Parker, penned a most cogent criticism of the president's lethargic, emotionally vapid response to the devastation caused by Katrina.

more...


Kathleen Parker: Bush could have risen above the ineptitude - but he didn't
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-parker_07edi.ART.State.Edition1.139bbe50.html

snip>

All historic events seem to produce an iconographic image that captures the rush and blush of the moment. Katrina may have many, but the single image that speaks loudest is of a submerged New Orleans parking lot filled with school buses.

Why weren't those buses packed in the early hours of the mandatory evacuation with the people whose bodies are now being collected?

The obvious truth is government – local, state and federal – didn't do enough before the storm hit or thereafter. Yes, it is up to individuals and families to look out for themselves, their own and, one hopes, their neighbors. But it is up to government to intercede when citizens are, for whatever reason, incapable of acting.

Everyone seems to have failed to varying degrees, including President Bush for this simple reason: He is the commander in chief, and this was a national disaster.

more...

Kathleen Parker:
Katrina's horror has just begun
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=60049



Conservative Pundits Reluctant to Criticize Bush's Katrina Response
http://mediachannel.org/blog/node/948

The Bush administration has received a torrent of bi-partisan criticism for its initial response to Hurricane Katrina. But most conservative columnists have continued to go fairly easy on George W. Bush during the past week, according to an E&P survey.

One of the few conservative commentators to aim some strong remarks at the president was Kathleen Parker of the Orlando Sentinel and Tribune Media Services (TMS). "Bush did fail to act swiftly and unequivocally," she wrote in her column Wednesday. "When he did act, at least initially, it was without authority, without competence and -- never more important -- without apparent empathy. ... caused even supporters to cringe with every ill-chosen word. ... He let slip the rarest of opportunities -- that of saving human life and the nation's pride. By his performance in this time of extreme stress, Bush may have revealed a truer self than we were meant to see."

Parker did note that local and state officials deserved some blame, too.

more...

[Massachusetts]

45. "MSNBC: New Newsweek Poll: Bush Approval 38% - record low."

where are the cries for impeachment????????????????!!!!!!!

[goforit]

85. History folks!!!....Pollsters gain a little courage for once!!!!!

[struggle4progress]

46. Bush's Job Approval At Record Low .. Sixty-Six Percent Dissatisfied

NEWSWEEK POLL: Fifty-Seven Percent of Americans Have Lost Confidence in Government to Deal With Another Natural Disaster; 52% Do Not Trust President to Make Right Decisions in a Crisis Saturday September 10, 1:36 pm ET
Bush's Job Approval At Record Low: 38 Percent Sixty-Six Percent Dissatisfied With Direction of Country
Sixty-Five Percent of Minorities Believe Race Was the Reason For Slow Response: 47 Percent Say 'Major Reason;' 64 Percent of Whites Say it Was Not a Reason at All

NEW YORK, Sept. 10 /PRNewswire/ -- President George W. Bush's approval ratings have fallen across the board in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and a seemingly flawed government response to the disaster, according to the latest Newsweek Poll. Bush's job-approval rating dropped to 38 percent, the lowest ever in the Newsweek Poll. Sixty-six percent of those polled say they are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time; just 28 percent are satisfied, another record low in the poll.

A 52-percent majority of Americans say they do not trust President Bush to make the right decisions during a domestic crisis, 45 percent do. The same number-52 percent-do not trust him to make the right decisions during an international crisis, again, 45 percent do. In addition, 57 percent of Americans say the slow response in New Orleans has caused them to lose confidence in the government to deal with another major natural disaster, 41 percent say it has not; 47 percent say it has made them lose confidence in government to prevent another 9/11-type attack; half (50%) say it has not, the poll shows.

The president's ratings on issues having little if anything to do with domestic disasters also declined. Bush's approval on handling terrorism and homeland security is 46 percent, a five-point drop from the August 2-4, 2005 Newsweek Poll. For the first time in the Newsweek Poll, more Americans disapprove of Bush's handling of terrorism and homeland security (48%). And almost half (49%) of all those polled say taking military action against Iraq two years ago was not the right thing to do; 46 percent say it was. This is the first time ever in the Newsweek Poll that more Americans have said going to war was not the right thing to do than said it was.

A plurality of Americans also rates the federal government's response to the problems caused by Hurricane Katrina as poor (40%). Thirty-two percent say the Feds' response was "only fair;" and 21 percent believe the response has been "good," the poll shows. State and local governments did not fare better: 35 percent say they did a poor job and 34 percent say they did a fair job. <snip>

AP Poll: Bush Approval Hits Lowest Level Yet

The AP-Ipsos poll has Bush's overall job approval at just 39 percent – the lowest rating since the poll began in 2003.

That's in stark contrast to his ratings right after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when it measured in the 80's.

A whopping 70 percent said they disapprove of the way Bush is handling soaring gasoline prices. More than half don't like the way the president dealt with Hurricane Katrina.

The A-P-Ipsos survey also found nearly two-thirds of those polled think the country is headed down the wrong track. As one Michigan man put it, "We're pretty well stretched."

AP TIME Poll Results: Hurricane Katrina
What Americans think about the government response to Katrina

Six in ten (61%) Americans surveyed think the U.S. should cut spending in Iraq to fund rebuilding areas devastated by Hurricane Katrina

More than Half (57%) Worried That Government Will Not Provide Relief to Their Communities in Event of Natural Disaster or Terrorist Attack

Three Quarters (74%) Think a President Has Some Control In Keeping Gas Prices Down; 69% Think President Bush Has Not Done Much to Keep Gas Prices Down <snip>

70% Blame Federal Agencies, 61% Blame President Bush, and 57% Blame the Victims Themselves <snip>

[Beetwasher]

49. The MOST IMPORTANT NUMBERS: His TERRORISM Support Has CRUMBLED!!!!!!

:wow:

That was all he had and it's gone.

[deadparrot]

53. Praise Jesus on a trailer hitch.

38% in a real-life MSM poll.

*choirs singing*

[pola]

60. Do a google search for 'Impeach Bush Katrina'

You will see that the words 'impeach Bush' are the THIRD most popular searches on Google since Katrina hit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Barrett808]

66. Anybody have graphs of the poll trends over the last year?

Those are always fun.

[faithnotgreed]

70. yesterday i was polled for nbc/wsj poll - cant wait for those #s

to come out probably tomorrow

there were a lot of questions and took about 20 minutes
everything from hurricane to racism to supreme court to what should be priorities etc

first time i have been called for a national poll

[ClintonTyree]

119. I wouldn't trust anything with the WSJ name on it............

bush has been their messiah, their path to untold and untaxed riches. Like someone else said, he could eat a baby on live TV and they'd still back him.
Maybe they'll bail out on him though just to keep "the agenda" alive? In retrospect, I guess it is "the agenda" they most love. bush has just been the provider of their riches lately, if they needed to dump him on order to keep the cash drawer open, they would in a heartbeat I think. :shrug:

[faithnotgreed]

125. no i certainly dont trust wsj or nbc but the poll

wasnt as bad as i expected and i am interested in what they will report the #s to be

[Lecky]

74. Well this is good news...

If Congressional Elections were held today, who do you lean toward voting for:
Democrats 50%
Republicans 38%

I still think 38% approval is still too high for this guy.

[tom_paine]

76. What a "surprise" it's going to be when the busheviks GAIN seats in '06

:sarcasm:

Actually, it won't be any surprise at all. The Imperial Subjects of Amerika don't really vote for National Offices anymore.

I think we are still allowed to choose our own Dogcatchers without "the helping hand of Diebold".

But, otherwise, Imperial Amerika Votes is just another dumb, pathetically rigged reality show.

Watch and UNDERSTAND where you live.

NOTE: Am I advocating giving up? NEVER! I am going to be working as hard in '06 and '08 just in case I am wrong.

[PATRICK]

81. Racism

is simply NOT understood by the white population yet. No one should get a pass for the bar being raised to extremely overt racist acts when the entire system is conveniently geared through accretion since slaveholding days to suffering from every social angle.

This issue is not misunderstood as much as it is improperly focused. Whites shy away from the sociologist framed abstraction though they could probably get the inescapable empirical evidence. They can this deny and play off against each other both personal accountability(I am not Simon Legree) and the social challenges of engineering a healed society. So is the evil of our times and many other times past. Balancing of evils so suddenly no seems to be accountable except the blatant victims. Victimology doesn't help either.

But this disaster is a large product of racism as well as in many small details and very probably(and this is where the controversial murk descends) in the enactment and planning of the WH "relief", where most criminally, relief came a far second to furtherment of the enslaving Bush agenda.

The 38 % response of whites show the issue is not properly engaged at all. It is not about pure KKK hate crimes but a much more sinister and broader, even dispassionate exploitation of the minority. The black population see this most nakedly, most tinfoil suspiciously- as anyone in their shoes would. The national forums do not ALLOW this dialog to change.

[osaMABUSh]

82. I suspect there's going to be a ton of people in DC on 9/24

Just got a call out of the blue from my cousin today. She and her husband want to go to DC. Looks like my family contigent from Pittsburgh and Cleveland will be at least seven people.

[goforit]

84. You mean these pollsters dare to report below 40????????????????

F#%^ing amazing!!!!!!!!

[mrdmk]

86. Yep, that good ole boy sures knows how to trip over is own Dick

Chenny that is!

Raw Story has their own take on Mr. Bush Jr.s low poll numbers.

link
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Newsweek_flash_Bush_approval_38_57_have_lost_confidence_in_U.S._to_deal_with__0910.html

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

87. can he handle the pressure?

the chickens are coming home to roost. will he lose it in public?

[sakabatou]

90. I can't wait till it goes down to 0% approval

[tinrobot]

91. Clinton was hovering around 60% during impeachment

...and this jackoff is still sitting in office with 38% and thousands of dead bodies on his hands.

No justice in the world... no justice.

[evworldeditor]

95. MSNBC Poll on Bush's Handling of Katrina's Aftermath

Reflects even worse than his personal standings...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/

Do you approve of President Bush's handling of Katrina's aftermath? * 49207 responses

Yes -- 12%
No -- 85%
I don't know -- 2%

[Lorien]

96. WTF kind of ostrich thinks that race was NOT a factor

after Katrina? Simply delusional. :crazy:

[serryjw]

97. What planet do the 46% approval live on?

What will it take?

[NuttyFluffers]

101. should be -2%...

people rising from the dead just to say they hate him.

well, wake me when the majority decides to do something tangible about all this.

[Tight_rope]

103. Who the hell is still approving of the dumbass!

[Hekate]

104. Note the author says division is to the Repub's advantage

> The president and the GOP’s greatest hope may be, ironically,
> how deeply divided the nation remains, even after national tragedy.
> The president’s Republican base, in particular, remains extremely
> loyal. For instance, 53 percent of Democrats say the federal
> government did a poor job in getting help to people in New Orleans
> after Katrina. But just 19 percent of Republicans feel that way.
> In fact, almost half of Republicans (48 percent) either believes
> the federal government did a good job (37 percent) or an excellent
> job (11 percent) helping those stuck in New Orleans.

The neocons' and Rove's most successful strategy all along has been "divide and conquer." It's to their advantage to deepen the national divisions they created.

I'm very happy about the poll numbers, but given everything we're up against I won't be doing my Schadenfreude Dance until after the next election.

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#
#Why isn't the Chickenhawk waitin' on the levee?#

[Hekate]

105. The bastards still have the Army, Navy, Marines... & Blackwater

And Diebold.

Reading that post about Blackwater mercenaries "deputized" in New Orleans brought back the nausea I've been feeling for over a week. After all those people died and the Superdome horror, 15 thousand troops are sent in to that one city -- and it turns out some of them (how many??) are mercenary thugs. :wtf:

We are so very far from being out of the woods with these unspeakable fascists that I fear we may never find our way back.

No Schadenfreude Dance for me for a long time...

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#
#Why isn't the Chickenhawk waitin' on the levee?#

[McCamy Taylor]

108. Those are Andrew Johnson kind of poll numbers.

[lynch03]

110. My reaction to this is...

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAhAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!

[Catchawave]

111. This will change....lower I hope

I think new terrorist threats have just been released to the MSM :boring:

Nevermind NOAA just put Virginia Beach in Ophelia's "projected" path, and my Mayor is doing the Chicken Dance.

[NorthernSpy]

112. don't say "the Bush administration"; say "the Bush regime"

And a widely-hated regime it is, too!

There HAS been a serious loss of legitimacy, and we shouldn't hesitate to let our choice of language reflect that.

[Arkana]

116. Almost to LBJ lows.

The difference, of course, is that LBJ knew the country needed a president they could have confidence in, and thus declined to run in 1968.

Bush has no humility or sense of duty. He's a spoiled, petulant little child who, if everything does not go his way, cries like a baby and takes his ball home.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

121. 88 percent disapprove now!

Sept. 2

Live Vote
Do you approve of President Bush's handling of Katrina's aftermath? * 82323 responses


Yes
10%

No
88%

I don't know
2%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9280375/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/

[Teena]

122. CALL NOW!

Unhappy with the way things are going in the United States?
Launch a complaint. Let the Commander in Chief know you think
it’s time he and his cabinet stepped aside so that competent leaders
can begin to restore dignity, order, and progress to our nation.
The phone number for the White House is as follows:
[phone]

[biggles1]

124. You mean 38% of you guys (I'm an Aussie) STILL support him??!!!!!

[oasis]

126. They're to proud to admit taht Bush has played them for fools for so

long. Folks that call themselves"Compassionate conservatives" don't leave 60 thousand other Americans to rot for days in giant holding pens. (Superdome and convention center).

[DarkTirade]

130. Denial isn't just a river in egypt

Nobody wants to admit that the man they voted for might be both incompetant and evil. And nobody wants to admit that someone with the title of President of the United States might be as well.

[ladylibertee]

127. Mommie Likes.......

Well, Looks like more and more are starting to see the Son of a Byotch for what he really is.

[Hello_Kitty]

128. 69% of white people/35% of non-white people are fooling themselves.

Wonder what determined "non-white" status? Are the whites Anglo only, with all other groups classifed as non-white? That might explain the surprisingly low percentage attributing it to racism there.

[lonestarnot]

129. Turdy tree and a BIG STINK'N TURD!

[jonolover]

133. I don't know if it's a horrible thing to say....

....but I wonder what would have happened if Katrina had hit August 2004?

[superconnected]

134. YES! Now let's go for 28%