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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:48 AM
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MMR scare doctor faces list of charges
MMR scare doctor faces list of charges
Brian Deer



THE doctor who sparked a worldwide scare over the MMR vaccine faces a six-week hearing before the General Medical Council (GMC) over allegations of serious professional misconduct, including dishonesty and intending to mislead.

A list of preliminary charges served on Dr Andrew Wakefield alleges that his research, which purported to find a possible link between MMR and autism, led to 11 different counts of misconduct.

It is claimed in the papers that he acted unethically, in a manner likely to bring the medical profession into disrepute and against the best interests of autistic child patients.

The GMC’s lawyers are halfway through a two-year inquiry into events surrounding the publication in February 1998 of a paper in The Lancet, the medical journal, written by Wakefield and 12 other doctors from the Royal Free hospital in London.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1774388,00.html
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:04 AM
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1. The real tragedy of this man's tactics
are that, even if there was a connection between mercury and autism (and only the quacks seem to find that there is) the MMR vaccine has NEVER contained thermiosol. NEVER.

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:20 AM
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2. Thermisol rumor started by Wakefield's quack partner Dr Hugh
Fudenberg, who patented a serum from goats' milk as an alternative to MMR.

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:20 AM
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3. I don't think that Robert(?) Kennedy
is a quack and he did an expose on the very same subject. The rate of autism is very high and the effects are usually seen after the vacine.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:22 AM
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4. No causative link ever proven between the two. Kennedy taken
for a ride.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:46 AM
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5. He is not a scientist
Ever thought that maybe you should go to medical men to get an informed opinion about medicine? As Emad said, RK was taken.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:26 PM
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7. are you the medical man I should be getting
my "informed" opinion from?
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:57 PM
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9. Jesus!
First of all, no, I make books for a living. I expect people to respect my professional opinion, and I do the same to others. What do you do for a living?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:04 AM
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15. Your professional opinion on making books
I will respect, your medical opinions? not so much. My job? I'm a writer.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:48 PM
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8. So? It just shows that America's 'royalty' is as
fucked up as the British.

No matter what Kennedy thinks, it still does not change the FACT that the MMR vaccine NEVER had thimerisol, nor did several others and it does not change the fact that its been YEARS since thimerisol has been an ingredient in -any- children's vaccine.

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susanr516 Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 01:14 PM
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10. According to the CDC
Thimerosal was in the flu shots manufactured in 2004, including those for infants 6-24 months of age and pregnant women.

Updated: Sep 14, 2004
Does the influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
Yes, the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal and are considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be preservative-free. Manufacturers of preservative-free flu vaccine use thimerosal early in the manufacturing process. The thimerosal gets diluted as the vaccine goes through the steps in processing. By the end of the manufacturing process there is not enough thimerosal left in the vaccine to act as a preservative and the vaccine is labeled ‘preservative-free'.

See: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/thimerosal.htm
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:57 PM
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16. This thread is not about influenza vaccines&It shouldn't be aboutThermisol
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 02:02 PM by Baconfoot
"The purpose of the research is alleged to have been to advance a theory of Wakefield’s that live measles virus in MMR damages the gut, allowing large molecules derived from food to enter the bloodstream and then damage the brain."

Read the whole article.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:16 PM
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11. Kennedy is not a doctor, nor a scientist.
He has as much professional expertise on the subject as I do on nuclear physics and unfortunately, didn't get accurate information upon which to base his article.

We in mental health have no interest in suppressing information if there is something causative of autism, but vaccines aren't it, and the more time and energy and money are spent barking up this wrong tree, the less time, money and effort there is for finding either the real causative agents or working for a cure or amelioration of symptoms.

It's time to move on from this.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:51 AM
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6. Frist should face similar charges from the Schiavo case.
"serious professional misconduct, including dishonesty and intending to mislead." --- Yep, Frist meets the criteria

Fristing - Making a long distance medical diagnosis via videotape with your head up your a*s!!!!!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:48 PM
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12. I'm not sure that thimerosal was the problem he had with the
MMR, or if it was the Measles component of the vax.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:43 AM
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13. He never said it was thimerosal
He was a gut surgeon, and I think his hypothesis was always that damage to the gut (which he blames on the measles component, because, I think, he claims to have found the measles virus in the guts of children suffering from bowel disease) led to autism.

I knew his evidence had been largely discredited, but didn't realise he was up on medical charges.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:36 AM
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14. Exactly! I was reading that they had found measles
virus-related stuff in the gut, and it was creating a reaction like a narcotic in some children if they ate dairy or gluten-containing products. Once the gluten and dairy were removed, the kids were remarkably better.

I tried the gluten-free diet on my son, along with eliminating dairy and artificial flavors and artificial colors from his food. Very little difference, if any.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:37 PM
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17. What a total CROCK!
Wakefield was NOT wrong and is being made an example of! :grr:

And Robert Kennedy Jr. was NOT wrong either! :grr:

Autism - Cut The Crap

by Evelyn Pringle

In their public statements, officials within the FDA and CDC, are always claiming that researchers and scientists who conduct studies, not funded by drug companies or the government, are making unfounded claims about a link between thimerosal-laced vaccines and autism, and other neurological disorders, which they claim could lead to reduced vaccine coverage, resulting in preventable outbreaks of disease affecting the entire planet.

I say cut the crap.

Think about it. Why would so many highly respected scientists, researchers and physicians go to such great lengths to concoct bogus studies and issue false reports, in essence putting their professional reputations on the line, if their was no connection? I want these officials to do two things. First I want them to give me one good reason why these professionals would make this up, and two, I want them to give me one logical alternative theory for the current epidemic of disorders.

Lets look at a few of these experts.
Dr Jeffrey Bradstreet, is a practicing physician who treats children with autism and other brain-damage disorders. While in the Air Force, he was trained in toxicology and environmental health. His duties as an Officer included the responsibility for military personnel who had exposure to a wide variety of toxins, including mercury. Dr Bradstreet has evaluated well over 2000 children with neurological disorders. He also directs a school for children with neurodevelopmental disorders where his responsibilities include supervising occupational therapists, speech and language pathologists, and applied behavioral analysts. Dr Bradstreet is a Harvard Certified Medical Education Instructor in autism and has written three peer reviewed papers regarding the relationship between thimerosal, developmental disorders and biological markers for Mercury-Susceptibility. In addition, he has conducted research regarding these disorders and has worked with some of the most highly respected professionals in the country, including Dr Jane El-Dahr of the Tulane University Medical Center; Dr V.K. Singh of the Utah State University Biotechnology Center; the University of Michigan Department of Pharmacology; Dr Vas Aposhian of the University of Arizona; Dr Anne Connolly of the Washington University Hospital; Dr Walter Spitzer of McGill University; the Department of Pediatrics at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School; Dr Jim Adams of the University of Arizona; and Dr Jill James, a former FDA researcher, now with the University of Arkansas, Department of Pediatrics.

Apparently the FDA, CDC, and vaccine makers expect us to believe that this long line of highly respected professionals from Universities all over the country somehow got together and conspired to conduct fraudulent research for decades and then authored 1000s of false reports and other publications.

I do not buy it. What would be the payoff?


more:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_evelyn_p_050729_autism___cut_the_cra.htm
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