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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:41 PM
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Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq, says Blair adviser
Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq, says Blair adviser
By Toby Helm -- The Telegraph
Monday, September 12, 2005

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Tony Blair decided to wage war on Iraq after coming under the influence of a "sinister" group of Jews and Freemasons, a Muslim barrister who advises the Prime Minister has claimed.
Ahmad Thomson, from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said Mr Blair was the latest in a long line of politicians to have been influenced by the group which saw the attack on Saddam Hussein as a way to control the Middle East.
A Government spokesman confirmed last night that ministers and officials consulted Mr Thomson on issues concerning Muslims but refused to be drawn on his views. "We talk to a lot of people, including many whose views we do not necessarily agree with," she said.
Mr Thomson said: "Pressure was put on Tony Blair before the invasion. The way it works is that pressure is put on people to arrive at certain decisions. It is part of the Zionist plan and it is shaping events."
(...)
"When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship God, the result is either communism or capitalism. A predominantly Christian society is concerned primarily with establishing a political ideology, whilst a predominantly Jewish society is concerned primarily with establishing an economic system."
This, he suggested, led to the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mr Thomson, who was called to the bar in 1979, wrote: "The fascism of Hitler was the Christian element in the increasingly "Jewish" environment in which he and his followers found themselves."
He also wrote that the Jews have no right to live in "the Holy Land" because they are not a pure race and therefore not the true biblical Israelites and that Saddam was used as an excuse for US troops - "including thousands of Jews" - to occupy Saudi Arabia.
A Government source said: "It is by talking to people with varying views that we find out what the range of opinions is. It doesn't mean we agree with what they are saying."
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Read the rest here.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:44 PM
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1. Mr. Thomson's Book, Sir
Is on my shelves: it is an extraordinarily vile piece of work....
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:19 PM
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11. If you were going to disapear a thread....
or lock one, surely this would be the kind of thing to go!
Why is this book on your shelf? Hope you didn't pay good money for it!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:58 PM
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29. It Is On My Shelves, Ma'am
Because collecting the literature of political extremism is one of my avocations: it pays to read what your foes actually say among themselves....
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:12 PM
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43. I agree with your avocation completely. n/t
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:21 PM
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50. As do I.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:48 AM
Response to Reply #29
59. it pays to read what your foes
Keep ypur friends close but keep your enemies closer...or something like that. I agree.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. You are right m'lud...
so why is it verboten to link to certain well know websites such like gaolworld??

Je reste...
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #59
76. which is why I have
human event, worldnet daily, freepland, hannity.com, etc...on my fave lists. GOTTA SEE WHAT is going on over there.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #76
96. yuck....
:sarcasm:

sometimes I vist freepland....can't stay long...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #29
81. yes, it is important to know what ones foes are up to!
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:56 PM
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2. Nothing says credibility like blaming the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
And throwing Freemasons into the rant as well... why, it's sheer brilliance!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

:puke: :puke: :puke:

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
46. Next thing you know, it'll be the Jewmasoninati!
Seriously, I'm all for criticism of the Israeli government, but this is just bonkers.

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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:56 PM
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3. Yes, it's always us Jews who cause EVERYTHING to happen.
We caused everything. . .there is an international jewish conspiracy.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :puke:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
21. No it isn't.
It's us gays. The gay lifestyle is the cause of all problems - even natural disasters. Hadn't you heard?

:puke:
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Brightmore Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Imagine a gay Jew!
I wonder what special powers he would have!
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Yes, more power than the all mighty clenis!!
That's a lot of power. :eyes:

:wtf: :crazy: :wow:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. What About A Gay Black Jew? n/t
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. But even a gay black Jew could not match the power of . . .
CLENIS!!!
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
95. How about an Old Black Jew?
Remember that joke about Sammy Davis, Jr.?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. Or a Gay Jew who's 33rd Degree Scottish Rite?
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 10:29 PM by BiggJawn
WOW!!!! Able to destroy Bilderburgers and Trilateralists with his Death Vision!
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #23
39. Gay Freemasons in love are a threat to traditional marriage, ya know.
It's true.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #39
53. Isn't there a song: "Why must I be a Freemason in love?" nt
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #53
107. Heh heh
Thanks for the laugh, and for getting me singing that particular song ... All. Night. Long. :crazy:
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
58. There is! It's at
http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com

Make sure to look at the forum, it's a lot of fun.

Tucker
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #58
111. Hey, any site that has links to Chickenhead Productions
Is cool by me. . .remember, as Betty Bowers puts it, "G-d told me to hate you!"
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #3
123. And this is news to most of you?
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:58 PM
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4. This is such garbage I couldn't even finish it.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:59 PM
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5. For what seems like the 1,000,000th time
The Iraq War was about O-I-L.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:25 PM
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
38. No. It was about NWO.
New World Order.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
61. Right, and energy is of no importance to the NWO?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #61
112. Of course it is. It's a big part of the picture. n/t
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #38
99. Sorry
That band broke up years ago.:)
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:17 PM
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47. Ok, so where is the O I L?
When a tank of 89 octane sets me back fifty bucks and the US releases oil from its own Strategic Petroleum Reserve I start shopping for other theories.

I agree with Carolab below - NWO.

Peace.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:07 AM
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55. It's both. But, they very foolishly thought they could safeguard the oil.
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 02:09 AM by kgfnally
Remember where they sent people to guard buildings of "national interest" in Iraq?

Wasn't there something about the oil ministry being protected- and protected first- that got us all riled up here immediately following the Iraq invasion "liberation"?

I'll agree that they know well their deeds have grave implications for the political and social alignment of both the United States and the middle East, but they really, honest-to-God thought they could snag the oil in the process.

Oil is, at the moment, the linchpin to human civilization as we know it. Without a good supply of oil, their plans for the rest of the world cannot happen, period.

I think perhaps what their ultimate plan amounted to was a quick, immediate domino effect in the middle east, starting with Afghanistan, actually (although for a noble cause, which was honestly very convenient for their plans, since it allowed them to catastrophically kick-start the whole thing into motion in earnest, beginning with the Patriot Act), and continuing into Iraq and, presumably, others later on.

They needed the oil, and it didn't flow. They couldn't keep the lines secure enough to "make the war pay for itself", nor could they gain control of any appreciable supply for themselves. And thus the keystone of the arch comes crashing down.

If you think about the why of the need for the oil to flow in Iraq, you'll better understand the following.

Has anyone else noticed how the noises they've recently been making regarding other nations have quietly stopped dead? Sure, Katrina has something to do with this, but now that I think about it, I don't remember them saying anything particularly provocative for some days before Katrina hit.

In the end, it doesn't really matter now; they do have smart but cruel or misguided (or just plain evil) people in their maladministration. They have to see the writing on the wall- they can no longer adequately fund unending war; the oil they need sits unused under the desert sand, and their neoconservative dream of "spreading democracy" (or else!!) is going to die because of it.

Here's to hoping it doesn't die violently, and take us all with it.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:12 AM
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56. A thoughtful reply n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #47
60. You mean there's no oil in the Middle East?
I thought so.

Looking at the Bush admin's policies, it should be no surprise that 'little people' like yourself don't benefit much from oil in the ME.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #47
87. You are making a flawed assumption.
That what they want to do with the oil is give it to you cheeply.

They dont. Which explains why the war is about oil and at the same time none is making its way to you.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
98. Under the ground
It's not about the price you pay at the pump. It's about which nation controls one of the most precious of natural resources. Iraq probably has the second largest oil reserves in the world. The more oil you control the more power you have.

To say it is about the jews is simply ignorant.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:02 PM
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6. He missed Rosicrucians
and forensic astrologers.

And his medication by the sound of it.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
35. But what about flouridation? I don't think he mentioned it even ONCE!
"Ice cream, Mandrake?! Childrens' ice cream?!?!"
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #35
82. oh now that's just too funny
:rofl:

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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
41. 'Forensic Astrologers'. That's the best I've heard in a lontg while.


Thanks. I needed a laugh tonight.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #41
51. I read that
on the back of a novel I picked up years ago in a bookstore...it was about the adventures of a forensic astrologer. I laughed and put it back.

But ever since, I've wondered.......exactly what would that be....? :shrug:
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kevsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #51
57. It was apparently intended to be a series.
Amazon lists two books by "Denny Demartino" about forensic astrologer Philipa Cyprion. That was four years ago, so I guess it never caught on. What would a forensic astrologer do?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #57
64. Study the death of stars?
:shrug:
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #64
79. LOL could be
or what stars were visible when a crime happened or old horoscopes or something like that. :D
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #79
109. There was a good mystery circa 1948 on this topic:
The Stars Spell Murder by Jonathan Legge.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #109
116. Maybe
that's where this idea came from...didn't sell though apparently.

I just always remembered the job title because it struck me funny.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #57
78. It never caught on?
Gee, I'm surprised! NOT. :7

But thanks for telling me that. That was indeed the one because I remember it had a female lead with an unusual name. Part of the 'mystery' I guess.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
94. It could have been Homer Simpson and the Stonecutters...
or possibly Fred Flintsones and the water buffaloes. Personally, I think this is all part of the big Amish conspiracy.
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:03 PM
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7. What year are
we in again? 1905?
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. What year? Try 1762 or any other 18th century date of your choice.
That was when the Masons were being villified wasn't it? Unfortunately, there seems to be no past -due date on anti-semitism.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:01 PM
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89. I actually saw some scary men in feathered hats in my yard last night
They were old and a few of them were on walkers, but they looked quite menacing...NOW I KNOW WHO THEY WERE! ACK!

The Freemasons are coming to take over!

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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:03 PM
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8. Do you really think the Jews are that stupid?
They have absolutely nothing to gain from the war with Iraq. And if it was Israel pushing for the war, they would have done a much better job of it.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:09 PM
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9. And as was said of World War I, it was started by Jews and bicyclists. . .
"Why the bicyclists?" was the standard query.

"Why the Jews?" the quick response.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
37. We started it to rid the world of cars....
We failed miserably....
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:17 PM
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10. but what about the shriners? and the rotary club?
:eyes:
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crankybubba Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
40. shriners
Are masons too!!! most of the conspiracy theories are right wing garbage.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. MIHOP and LIHOP are not right wing conspiracies. Truth sometimes is


mistaken for conspirach theory.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
49. Or the Order of Odd Fellows
:silly:
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
88. Jaycees have some explaining to do as well...
n/t
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:21 PM
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12. Muslims and Jews don't like each other? News to me!
:sarcasm:

Wait, is this a Muslim conceding that the Israelites were the chosen ones? This guy sounds very, very confused.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:27 PM
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14. Oy!
Time for another round of:
http://www.satirewire.com/news/march02/chosen.shtml

Enjoy. We need a laugh after looking at that piece of tripe.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #14
45. News Flash: Jews ask to be "Unchosen"
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:27 PM
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15. Right wing nutcases!
This reminds me of the crowd that believes Hollywood, Jews and Masons are out to get us all.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:30 PM
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16. i thought it was the 12 men that secretly controlled the stock market
and the Stonecutters
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:33 PM
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17. Israel was indeed pro-war with Iraq
having bombed it themselves before.

Jews, as a religion, and collectively...well that's another matter.

As to free masons...everyone blames them for everything, probably because they're a secretive group, and therefore safe to blame.

Although I'm sure some Bush admin people are masons, as are some of Blair's admin.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
48. Yep.
There's "A Clean Break: A strategy For Securing The Realm", and then there's "the evil jews are coming!"

The first, all too real. The second, all too insane.

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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:27 AM
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65. Thousands of Jews were persecuted in Iraq in the past and forced to flee
in the 1800's and 1900's. Iraq has declared Israel an enemy from the day it existed. The bombing by Israel in Iraq was in 1982 of a nuclear facility that Iraq had built with the intention of being used to make arms.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:44 PM
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18. WTF?
Is going on?

This is the newspaper of Conrad Black. The guy that is all for everything in the * administration.

Are the rats deserting the ship?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:48 PM
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:05 PM
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31. AIPAC is not THE Jews.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 08:58 PM
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20. Kick (nt).
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:04 PM
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22. Mr. Burns: "Nothing can stop me now...except microscopic germs!"
Germs, in chorus: "Freemasons run the country!"
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Brightmore Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:10 PM
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24. It's true. Here is their official website
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:14 PM
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28. LOL well what's a secret conspiracy
without a public website eh? :7
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:20 PM
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33. You Know...If Jews Really Controlled Everything
don't you think Jews would be in a much better situation?

I mean, Zionist Jews are fighting for this little patch of desert that is somehow just about the only piece of land in the Middle East to NOT have oil. Let's think about that for a minute.

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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:56 PM
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84. LOL! This is the funniest site on the 'net. Unfortunately I
think SOME people think it's for real, even the part about the Green Draconian Lizards:)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:11 PM
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25. pu
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:02 PM
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30. "I have in my hand a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion . . . "
I'm sorry, is it 1877? Did I wake up in the wrong millenium?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:14 PM
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44. I'm pretty sure the Jews are stealing precious bodily fluids, too
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:14 AM
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52. Hey! he forgot the witches and pagans! Get the kindling!
:wtf: Oh please. How stupid can you get.

Last time I looked the vast majority of the population in both the US and Britain was Christian and white, including Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice (well, one out of two), Delay, Hastert, Lott, Gingrich.... Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell...

We have a great deal more to fear from politicized extreme right wing fundamentalist Christians than we do from Jews and Freemasons. But I guess it's just so much easier to drag out a centuries-old slur (what next? the Blood Libel?) than look reality in the face and deal with that.

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#
#Why isn't the Chickenhawk waitin' on the levee?#
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:28 AM
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54. Have to say I got a lot of chuckles off this thread
Thank you, DU-gooders and Evil-DUers and all. We all need a good laugh, and the yoyo needs a good mocking. I'd love to see what Jon Stewart could do with this nut-case's material.

Hekate

#Why won't the Chickenhawk cross the road?#
#Why isn't the Chickenhawk waitin' on the levee?#
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:29 AM
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62. What about the reptilians?
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rugger Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:37 AM
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66. Author is right about a couple of points
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 07:38 AM by rugger
Many neocons are jews (Perle, Wolfowitz), who back in the late 90's, published a doctrine that had to do with attacking Iraq to remove the threat to Israel. They also aligned themselves with the asceding evangelical/fundy movement, which was part of the reason the invasion of Iraq occurred. 9/11 gave the neocons their justification.

Second point is, he's right that the jews have no claim to Israel. You can't use the inanity in a religious book for the redistribution of land in the world. I'm sure native American tribes have some legends that say they were given the land by their god, so why don't we use that to displace everyone there now to give it back to them? The BIble is mostly a bunch of hogwash, and surely shouldn't be the basis for displacing a whole population that lived on that lad for eons.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:23 AM
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68. Heh, indeedy.
But never mind that my lad...
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:41 AM
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67. O yes, and Alkaida was the fan behind Katrina.
:crazy:
What disturbes me most:
That there are still media in this world who dare to publicize this bs, instead of calling for an ambulance with straitjacket.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:45 AM
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69. for what it's worth
someone i know very well was a state trooper. when he joined the masons,

i asked him why. he said he joined to get promoted. he got promoted. now

if one state patrol is controlled by the masons, why not all 50?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:10 AM
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71. I hear you.
From my blog, a few weeks ago:

...it's hard to talk seriously about the British police force without talking about Freemasonry. Unfortunately, for many people, it's hard to talk seriously about Freemasonry at all.

In his Inside the Brotherhood, Martin Short details the story of Chief Inspector Brian Woollard, whose distinguished career included 14-years with Special Branch attached to the Bomb Squad, royal protection, and armed personal detective to Home Secretary Roy Jenkins. Woollard's career effectively ended when he was posted to London's Fraud Squad. As Short writes, "it was there that he first sensed the power which Freemasonry seems to have over law enforcement in London."

Assigned to commercial fraud, Woollard was assigned a sensitive inquiry which involved tape recorded conversations describing police officers do favours for fellow Freemasons. Handing Woollard the case, his supervisor, whom Short calls "Grimm," said "I don't know which lodge you're in." When Woollard replied he belonged to no lodge, Grimm appeared surprised, and told him to complete the task in a week.

The recordings showed evidence of blackmail, and Woollard sent the tapes off for forensic testing. Grimm was apoplectic that the names of "innocent policeman" might be produced in court, and subjected Woollard to the tightest scrutiny of his career. Soon there was so much distrust the two officers could no longer work together, and Woollard moved to another section of the Fraud Branch. (Months later, he heard the case he left in Grimm's hands was closed with a decision of "no further action.") He was handed a case of public sector corruption involving inflated payments to building contractors, and soon found his work obstructed by police officers in his own department who belonged to the same lodge as subjects of his investigation in the building works department.

Woollard persisted until he was moved right out of the Fraud Branch, and was replaced on the corruption case by a Freemason. He was ordered by a Masonic supervisor to have a psychiatric evaluation regarding his delusion at seeing Masons everywhere. He was demoted to uniform, even though he hadn't had one for 20 years, and assigned to a station where all five officers above him in the chain of command were Freemasons. When some newspapers picked up the story of his humiliation by the Masonic fraternity, Woollard found his case files disappearing from a locked administrative room overnight. One long-serving, sympathetic constable reported that "everyone knew the theft was part of a Masonic plot to discredit Woollard."

Masonic plot. There are two words to get you laughed right out of the respectable Left, Right or Middle. But as it often goes with things many people find hilarious, when you peel away the ridiculous crust, there's not a great deal to laugh about.

...
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:37 AM
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72. You are so right. Often things are ridiculed that are stark truth. The
ones usually ridiculing actually know the truth.
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:24 PM
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105. which state was that?
Several years back my Dad was pulled over for very high speed by a state trooper. When Dad handed over his license the trooper saw his ring and asked if he was a Freemason. He answered yes (past 30 yrs). The trooper then asked which Lodge he belonged to. Dad told him his Lodge# the two exchanged words and the trooper handed back his license and Dad drove away.

Lots of *seemingly* ignorant people on this thread. Thats good. For Freemasons ;)
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:17 AM
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121. 4 letters and begins with an O
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:45 AM
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70. dupe
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 08:48 AM by GreatCaesarsGhost
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:39 AM
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73. OMG!!!....True about the powers that be, but hostile words start wars.
His Hitler analogy and his acurracy (# of masacred Jews)need to be questioned.

Ahmad Tomson?

Never heard about him. Why is he putting fuel to the fire?
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:45 AM
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74. Blair has been a fully paid up member of the P2 Lodge for the
last 30 years. Enough legal evidence to sink him AND the Titanic already exists, despite the exhaustive efforts of Margaret Thatcher, Bush 1 and John Major to whitewash over his gangster background and his extensive financial links with the GELLI family, whose No1 member Licio Gelli, is up before the Rome magistrates on a murder and conspiracy to murder charge in the October trial of 'God's Banker' Roberto Calvi.

Also of note is the recorded evidence of George Bush Jr being in London two days before Calvi died in June 1982 and departing for the US on the 20th - the day Calvi'd body was found under Blackfriar's Bridge.

A 1985 BBC TV documentary showed at length Bush Jr's involvement with various members of the Gelli clan in the bankruptcy of Banco Ambrosiano, whose CEO Roberto Calvi brought down via his massive theft, money laundering and embezzlement scams that also ruined the Vatican ank and forced Cardinal Marcinkus to do a runner to the US - where he has been holed up ever since, living rent free, happy in the knowledge that Bush 1 gave him immunity from prosecution on the grounds that 'Calvi clearly committed suicide' and hence no felony charges could be brought aainst him.

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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 11:18 AM
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77. I know you'll post a link one day!
;-)
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:14 PM
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80. So, GWB is a masonic hitman?
LOL.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 01:16 PM
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86. He can kill a man with a pretzel!
And if that fails, he might 'accidentally' run you over on his bicycle of death.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 08:30 AM
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122. Bush Jr paid $100,000 into an account controlled by Pippo Callo
some two days before 'God's Banker' was found dead in London. Callo
is currently in the Rome slammer on murder/conspiracy to murder charges in the Calvi trial. He denies all charges and says that US mafia fitted him up over the $100,000 bank deposit.

On the night of 19 June 1982 Bush Jr was arrested in a North London drinking den that had previously been raided by Metropolitan Police on a search warrant involving pedophiles wanted in connection with the Children of God brothel in Hampstead, North London. The UK TV documentary abut the Calvi death focused on this.

Bush appeared at Wells Street maistrates court the following day on public disorder and drunkenness charges but the case was deferred because the arresting police officer had 'disappeared' and no evidence could be offered against him.

Calvi's body was found under Blackfriars ridge in the City of London which is outside the jurisdiction of the Met - it comes under the City of London Police, which operates a completely different turf under its own Commissioner.

Bush was bailed to reappear at the magistrates court on a subsequent date after hurried intervention from Margaret Thatcher. But he failed to ever turn up ater intense diplomatic wrangling fuelled by Thatcher's thugs in the diplomatic police corps.

The fate of the arresting officer in the case has been the subject of intense speculation following the subsequent murder of PC Keith Blakelock in the Broadwater Farm riots, for which Winston Silcott was imprisoned for life only to be proven innocent and released when suppressed evidence came forward.

Last year the Met reported that the Blakelock murder weapon had been found near the Broadwater Far estate and was being trested for forensic evidence.
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:03 PM
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126. Wow... That's amazing information.
Do you have any links so that I can read more?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 09:56 AM
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75. well, at least we know who to blame now
and thank goodness it wasn't god, god fearing brits and yanks, they were led astray by the evil freemasons. Can you imagine what a country founded entirely by freemasons would look like? no wonder the Iraqi constitution is so awful, everyone knows masons can't write a decent constitution.

Frankly, I think he just threw in the Jews for effect, it detracts attention from the copy of the DaVinci Code that fell out of his briefcase.

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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:52 PM
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83. This is ridiculous. I can't believe this.
Sinister Cabals already.

People don't have anything better to do?

As as for the people who are spreading this muck - shame on them! This is the 21st century, not Czarist Russia.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 12:58 PM
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85. WTF? A Blair adviser said that? Talk about trying to deflect blame?
Besides I thought Blair is a Freemason. Many people are Freemasons, right? Freemason or not, Blair IS the PM. We are in Iraq for one reason, OIL.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:07 PM
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90. Im Jewish and I admit it!
I am personally responsible for corrupting Croatia. Im just starting out so they gave me something easy to do.

Did you know that Jews care about money? Gentiles give all of theirs away while Jews put ours in banks and use it to start wars in normally peaceful places like the Balkans or the Middle East.

I have to go now and poison a well.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:53 PM
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103. Make sure to use some Christian baby blood the next time you make matzos..
:sarcasm:

MojoXN
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 07:27 PM
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106. Anybody that poisons a well
needs shot and thrown into a pit.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:47 AM
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114. Yeah, but wouldn't a well be better poetic justice? n/t
n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:36 AM
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124. Hey did you finish poisoning that well yet?
And I bet you are responsible for the toxic mess in New Orleans. And everything else bad that happens in the world. And, and, and....

:eyes:

( Seriously, I am so amazed at anti-semitism. Can you imagine if articles like this were written about Presbyterians, Czechs, etal)


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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:08 PM
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91. Kick (nt).
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 04:49 PM
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92. Could history be repeating itself?
But maybe worse this time around.:scared:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 05:06 PM
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93. This article is plain wrong, it was the Freemasons and Space Aliens.nt
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:05 PM
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97. I suppose you should judge a man by the company he keeps
and Blair has some very strange 'advisers'. It seems that he is prepared to listen to any nutter or interest group except the professional civil servants who are paid to help him run the government. Of course he does not like the latter because they keep telling him that his policies are complete bollocks and will end in disaster.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:23 PM
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100. Didn't they have somthing to do with Jack the Ripper too?
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 06:24 PM by Dr Fate
And the Shakespeare/Francis Bacon hoax?

WE ARE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS, PEOPLE!!! ;)
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:31 PM
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101. ShockinG! I'm shocked, shocked that war profiteering is going on
by certain persons.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:43 PM
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102. What a retard...
Freemasons? No. Jews? No. Neoconservative Zionists who swear allegiance to Israel? Yes, quite a few of those. Idiot Rapturist Christians who think that by starting WWIII, they'll get to "heaven" more quickly. Yes, some of those, too. A Connecticut cowboy who thinks that God talks to him, and believes that he, AND ONLY HE, has the power to divinely ordain humans and their institutions good or evil? Yep, they got one of those too.

But Freemasons and Jews?

Geez, it's people like this who give a bad name to anyone who questions the official account. Thank you Ahmad Thomson, Muslim barrister. You successfully set back research into the truth of the Iraq war by at least six months. Congratulations! I'm sure that somewhere, Bush and company are reading your words, or in Bush's case, having your words explained to him, and laughing their collective asses off about how people like you make it possible for them to perpetually hide the truth.

MojoXN
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 06:58 PM
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104. Wait, I thought Labor was in power... not the BNP!
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 08:11 PM
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108. Who is Charge this week? The Pope or the Queen of England.
Everyone knows the Jewish Freemason conspiracy is run by the Vatican and the Queen of England. I just don't fully understand the power share agreement, is if weekly, monthly or just The Queen leads the Freemasons and the Pope leads the Jews (Or is it the opposite?).
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:45 AM
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113. "The Club of Rome" (Brrrr!) Someone call the "Pale Horse" dude quick!!
WE ARE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS, PEOPLE!!!
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 10:56 PM
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110. No one has once mentioned Opus Dei so far!
Don't they have a hand in just about everything? Hmmmm.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 12:48 AM
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115. Yeah, but they are REAL.
;)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:01 AM
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117. Nutbombs control the war on Iraq. Nutbomb Big Oil execs. Nutbomb
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 01:01 AM by applegrove
Christians. Nutbomb Jews. Nutbomb Afrian Americans. Nutbomb GOPs. Nutbomb people of every stripe.

Big Oil funds a good portion of all electoral races in the U.S.A. Why leave them out?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:03 AM
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118. Hey is this the part where their "man of faith" is revealed for
what he truly is? I will really like this part if it is.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:58 AM
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119. The interesting question is why an article like this is appearing at all
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 04:59 AM by Nikki Stone 1
in a newspaper. My theory for what it's worth: The war in Iraq has failed. Whatever the goals were--and I think the oil was a secondary goal, the primary one being a complete remodel of the ME--the US/British coalition has been unable to get Iraq under control. This is not a surprise to people who served in Vietnam, like a friend of mine who just shook his head and said that the US would win in the short term and lose the occupation. He turned out to be right on target.

Now that the war is failing, someone has to be blamed. This article takes the blame off of Blair and puts it on groups of people that typically get blamed for everything. Easy enough to do with all the wacko beliefs that are out there, and, I think, perpetuated purposely so that a ready scape goat will always be available.

In the US, Bush has not yet backed away from Iraq. He still supports the war, as do the 38-40% of the nation who back him. But the war is going badly and has been for quite some time. I am sure that wacko programs (like Art Bell and George Nouri) will come up with secret groups running things, but the rank and file Republicans will probably blame the liberals and the anti-war movement for the failure in Iraq.

What I find interesting is that a British paper with some credibility is throwing out this recycled anti-Semetic garbage as news. Even the National Enquirer hasn't stooped to this level. The need to protect Blair must be huge. Wonder if Blair isn't planning to get out of the whole thing soon.
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replacement Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 06:45 AM
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120. I don't see why the government ever had anything to do with him
Given that he wrote his appalling book three years before Blair came to power- it's not like he was hiding the fact he's a bigoted, anti-semitic holocaust-denying scumbag. Consult with a wide range of people, sure, but draw the line somewhere- if you're going to "consult" with an individual like this, you might as well "consult" with Nick Griffin of the BNP.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 10:47 AM
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125. It's difficult to decide what it worst about this article
The fact that it was published at all? The fact that a person who is a lawyer and educated is spewing this horseshit? The fact that he seems not to recognize that Blair is a real live grown-up?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 05:07 PM
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127. Seinfeld and Kramer!
yyyyy-giddyup
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