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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:53 PM
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Hubble spies homeless black hole
Hubble spies homeless black hole

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A supermassive black hole appears to be homeless in the cosmos without a galaxy to nestle in, Hubble Space Telescope scientists reported on Wednesday.

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Most monster black holes lurk at the heart of massive galaxies, slurping up matter from the galactic center with a pull so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape.

But a team of European astronomers reported in the journal Nature that a particular black hole some 5 billion light-years away has no evidence of a host galaxy. A light-year is about 6 trillion miles, the distance light travels in a year.

The black hole was detected when the scientists went hunting for quasars -- extremely bright, small, distant objects that are strongly associated with black holes. Astronomers believe a quasar is produced by cosmic gas as it is drawn toward the edge of a supermassive black hole.

Most quasars and black holes are in the middle of supermassive galaxies and in their survey of 20 relatively nearby quasars, the scientists found 19 followed this expected pattern. But one showed no signs of having a galactic home.
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I'll pull the tasteless joke on this one since someone probably will... More homeless blacks under George Bush's watch. When will it all end??!?!?
:evilgrin:
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:15 PM
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1. Perhaps it ate itself out of house and home? nt.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:48 PM
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7. Possible...
Watch out for the burp!

-Hoot
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:18 PM
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2. Maybe Katrina got it? nt
:)
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:37 PM
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3. God, I wish my brain was big enough to fit around this stuff.
It's so fascinating....
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:37 PM
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4. I thought it said "Hubbie"
as in husband. All sorts of horrible things were going through my head

:rofl:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:51 PM
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8. LOL. I bet!
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:39 PM
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5. Here's the phrase I have a problem with:
"...extremely bright, small, distant objects..."

Can someone explain why the writer used the word "distant" in this sentence?

I mean, they are using the HUBBLE telescope to view these things, isn't that sort of a given?

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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:22 AM
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11. Hey a light year here, a light year there...
Actually, I thought this was a joke regarding *'s head...empty.
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MadAsHell Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:21 AM
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15. I suspect that ....
is to underline the really, really distant as opposed to "normal" distant like on the other side of our galaxy. The black hole in the article is at 5 billion light years away, about a third of the way across the universe. The quasars are rare and they are way to cool to hang out in our boring, run-of-the-mill neighborhood of galaxies.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:06 AM
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20. It is probably more that quasars are basically dead in our era
and we are seeing 5 BLy quasars as the were 5 billion years ago. Our own galaxy could have been a quasar when it was first forming, since it has a supermassive black hole at it center.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:14 AM
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25. There's no
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 09:16 AM by FlaGranny
law that these things have to be distant. Distant is relative anyway. We have one in the center of our own galaxy.

Edit: Whoops, never mind - I didn't notice we were talking about a quasar.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:46 PM
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6. maybe it has already
(at least 5 billion years ago) sucked in all the surrounding galaxies in its immediate vicinity.

gotta wait for some more galactic drift (expansion) to send some more stuff its way. i'm sure its gravitational pull is already tugging away at anything close by.

its probably back to chomping away, we just won't see it for another few billion years.

just guessing....

:shrug:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 09:23 PM
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9. We have been judged and found wanting....it's coming for us
Edited on Wed Sep-14-05 09:24 PM by kenzee13
the current "leader of the Free World" sealed our fate with the Advanced Beings in charge of our quadrant of the Time-Space Continuem...they've called on the Federation of United Universes to send the Galaxy-Destroyer our way....

...the above is tongue in cheek, in case anyone has any doubt, but some days when I contemplate the power of Our Corporate Masters and their Puppet-in-Chief I feel exactly that gloomy.

(edit to Capitalize)
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:32 AM
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16. No, it is a Vogon constructor fleet,
preparing for an intergalactic bypass. Where is Ford Prefect when you need him?


RIP Douglas Adams, we miss you.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:47 PM
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10. wow
there are more things in heaven and earth than are drempt of in your Phylosophy, Horatio


or something like that
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 12:43 AM
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12. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Bush's soul is a homeless black hole! :evilgrin:
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:02 AM
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14. I was thinking more along the lines of...
Condi's nether regions.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 01:00 AM
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13. Must be from New Orleans......
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:17 AM
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17. Intellegent Design screwed up...
it didn't give it anything to eat.
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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:28 AM
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18. Likely...
That black hole has already sucked in it's galaxy and that's why there isn't a galaxy there any more. You need a super massive star to go super nova to create a black hole so there was something there at one time.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:55 AM
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19. Can't they do a size estimate?
If this was the case, with the number of stars in a galaxy, it should be one massive black hole.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:11 AM
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22. I would guess that this bare super-massive black hole got
flung out of its parent galaxy due to a collision with another galaxy. This is what can happen to stars when galaxies collide:



http://spaceinfo.jaxa.jp/note/ginga/e/gin9810_antennae_e.html
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:07 AM
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21. i can't wait to find out what happens to black holes
when they're done being black holes.

do we even suspect what that might be?
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:14 AM
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24. Steven Hawking has shown that black holes eventually will
"evaporate" due to Hawking radiation. But for large black holes, this will take a very very long time (so don't hold your breath)! On the other hand very small black holes that could have been created in the big bang have already evaporated.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/hawk.html

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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:12 AM
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23. Maybe it already "ate" it's galaxy. n/t
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