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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:07 PM
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NY Times: Karl Rove in charge of Katrina Reconstruction Effort
Too horrible to be made up!

Who's in Charge? Karl Rove! By Dan Froomkin Special to washingtonpost.com Thursday, September 15, 2005; 12:00 PM

All you really need to know about the White House's post-Katrina strategy -- and Bush's carefully choreographed address on national television tonight -- is this little tidbit from the ninth paragraph of Elisabeth Bumiller and Richard W. Stevenson 's story in the New York Times this morning:

"Republicans said Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, was in charge of the reconstruction effort."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

Link from/to NYT article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/politics/15bush.html
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:09 PM
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1. fox meet hen house ... OMG
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:16 PM
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27. Rove is in charge of the nation. Nothing new
I only hope that people don't quickly forget what happened during and after Katrina.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:28 PM
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51. Exactly.
I wonder how much he'll try to blame his fuckups on the Plame investigation now.

So much for Bush being in charge.
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:56 PM
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59. Hook up the old microphone!
Does this mean that Dumbya will be wired like he was during the debates? Since I can't watch more than 5 seconds of his "da, um, uh's" somebody who watches this speech please tell me if they think he was wired. The usual tell tale signs are long pauses between sentences; sentences that are strung together that don't make sense - oh, wait, that's how he talks all of the time --- and of course, my favorite, his head and chin drop all the way to his chest - like he is trying to read what's on the teleprompter and listen to the voice in his ear. Like I said, I can no longer watch a live performance of this moron. The 3 debates last year were more than I can stomach of Resident Idiot. I nearly destroyed my television set. Thanks
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:30 PM
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101. Pig - meet trough...
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:09 PM
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2. Great, now NOLA evacuees have to weather hurricane Karl
after already being hit by hurricane Katrina. :mad:
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:10 PM
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3. WTF? The Whore Post tells the truth
He has lots of experience, getting those poll numbers up after 9/11.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:10 PM
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4. You mean this ISN'T A JOKE?
The last post that announced this, I was sure it was satire.

What a monumental misjudgment of the mood of the American public.

Unbelieveable.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:00 PM
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45. It is true. Remember, this WH doesn't do policy or governing, everything
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 04:01 PM by Pirate Smile
is politics. Rove has been given a policy job now because policy = politics. Politics is the only concern.

edit to add - the disaster they are worried about is the hit to Bush's image.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:40 PM
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55. Indeed the only reconstruction they are worried on
is the chimp's image
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:35 PM
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71. And one would think that if it's *'s image they're concerned about,
the last person they'd want to fix it would be Rove, especially in New Orleans. He's a destroyer, not a creator.

Once again we're going to be "treated" to the spectacle of the Bushistas making the same mistake over and over but expecting a different result. The difference this time is that everyone but them knows the game is over. As * himself said years ago in another context, this is like a B movie I've seen already and I don't want to stick around to the end.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:51 PM
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89. Its a heathen, disgusting, low life, thuggish, image
If Rove told the Chimp to jump in a pond and Fuck Fish to improve his image, ------- the dirty, skunky, bastard would jump right in, bare from the waist down.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:28 AM
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105. Ugh-what a revolting image.
And pity the poor fish. ;-)
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:12 PM
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5. If Fitzgerald is going to indict that criminal, I wish
he'd get to it. These people have committed crimes in broad daylight and so big that you can see them from Vega without a telescope. Get on with it already.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:19 PM
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8. Fitzgerald is running out of time, if he'll do anything it better be soon
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:35 PM
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39. Rep. Conyers announced on his blog that he is going after Rove outing Plam
Listen In as Congressional Republicans are Forced to Address Rove's Plame Leak

Cross-posted at DailyKos

Starting tomorrow and stretching through next week, 4 House Committees are expected to vote on resolutions addressing the Valerie Plame leak. Specifically, these resolutions demand information from the Bush Administration on the outing of Valerie Plame in apparent retaliation for Ambassador Wilson's truth telling concerning weapons of mass destruction. The Bush Administration refuses to police itself in the midst of criminal and ethical misconduct and it is time for Congress to exercise its duty to oversee the Executive Branch.

Many of these markups will be broadcast live on the Internet. The following are links to the Committee webcasts:

September 14, 10:00 AM, House Judiciary Committee
http://judiciary.house.gov/

September 14, 10:30 AM, House International Relations Committee
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/

September 20, Time TBA, House Armed Services Committee
http://www.house.gov/hasc/schedules/

September 15, 1:00 PM, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Closed to the Public

This resolution is necessary because the Bush administration refuses to police itself in the midst of criminal and ethical misconduct. In July 2003, over two years ago, a Bush administration official committed one of the most serious breaches of national security in recent history by disclosing to the press the identity of an undercover CIA operative. Even worse, it likely was done for political reasons, toretaliate against the operative's husband for successfully challenging the President's claim that Iraq had sought nuclear materials in Africa.

The purpose of this resolution is to get to the bottom of what happened and why the Justice Department slow-walked the investigation at the beginning. We know that, despite urgent pleas from the CIA for a criminal investigation into the leaker, the Justice Department and White House dragged their feet. Then-Attorney General Ashcroft insisted on private briefings on the status despite his long-standing ties to Karl Rove, a person involved in the investigation. It is time for Congress to exercise its duty to oversee the Executive Branch.

We have no illusions that the Republicans in Congress are suddenly going to reverse course and start demanding accountability on this,or any other matter, that involves Bush Administration misconduct that is damaging to the nation. However, starting tommorrow, they will have to go on record and explain their votes defending criminal activity on the part of high ranking officials. That is the beginning of congressional accountability.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:36 PM
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72. Ask Judge Filip?
I expect he has an office to call?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:55 PM
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81. both of these committees rejected the release of information.


.....September 14, 10:00 AM, House Judiciary Committee
http://judiciary.house.gov /

September 14, 10:30 AM, House International Relations Committee
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations /
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:30 PM
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95. FITZGERALD!!
There's an article on Yahoo news tonight in regards to Prosecutor Fitz! He's demanding that the papers that we Dems are demanding from the WH stay where they are! Says they would interfere with his investigation which he plans to have wrapped up in a couple of weeks!! None too soon for me! I have a feeling that "shrub" is the "ten pin" and the ball is heading straight down the alley for a STRIKE!! GO FITZ!!:bounce:
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:37 PM
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96. visualize a government completely devoid of republicans...
except for lott and delay who must go so they can enjoy sitting in sessions all the way in the far right chair.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:42 PM
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97. someone get this man some private security, and no planes!
I hope he comes thru, if bush goes down over this I wonder if he'll go quietly?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:48 PM
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:35 PM
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87. True? I don't know. But we can hope. Here's what it says on google....


...under the first listing of American Free Press:

The American Free Press is a populist weekly newspaper that reports what the mainstream media will not.


Of course, if it's true, we'll see it in the media shortly. They can't afford not to print such a sensational story!
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:47 PM
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92. I wish the Washington Post would do an article on this aspect?
I'm hoping it is true but then so much stuff on the internet is bogus. I expect Bush will gag them anyhow?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:47 PM
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98. Doesn't ring true to me.
Treason -- what Powell is supposed to have testified to. All true, but pretty remote from the Plame incident. I can't believe the investigation would have gone so far. I wish the report were true, but it sure sounds to me like somebody put something in their pipe that they shouldn't have been smoking.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:18 PM
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6. He'll hold a couple of photo ops and VOILA, problem solved!
That's right, George Bush and his posse can make ANY problem go away by staging a couple of photos that show everything is FINE!! It's cheaper and easier than actually solving the problems in the first place!!

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Even Joseph Goebbels stuck to propaganda in Hitler's Germany. He wasn't put in charge of rebuilding infrastructure.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:42 PM
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74. He'll have Jebb Bush in his arms too
Jebb 08 - the hurricane messiah
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:19 PM
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7. Karl Rove?.yep looks like it
Instead, administration officials and a Republican close to the White House said Mr. Bush would offer some general principles about "building a better New Orleans" with stricter construction standards to try to avoid a replay of the recent catastrophe. Republicans said Mr. Bush would not mention a price tag, in large part because of budget and political pressures from House Republicans and other supporters angry about administration spending.

Republicans said Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, was in charge of the reconstruction effort, which reaches across many agencies of government and includes the direct involvement of Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development.

direct link to story

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/politics/15bush.html?oref=login
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:19 PM
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9. The effort to reconstruct W's image. nt.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:02 PM
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16. damage control damage control damage control - image is everything
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:20 PM
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10. ummm, so what are HIS qualifications???
:eyes:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:27 PM
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11. Yeah, REALLY! Dirty tricks and smoke and mirrors
THAT's gonna get this monumental job done, uh-huh.

This is as bad as Dumbass sending Bolton to the U.N. -- putting KKKarl in charge of helping underprivileged citizens rebuild their city. Talk about contempt for one's charge ...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:10 PM
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20. Hey bush coulda sent his mother, Marie Antoinette, to do the job.
She woulda told them how nice cake is to eat, I'm sure...
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gizmonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:03 PM
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17. Oh, Silly Shanti -- qualifications are not important...
in this administration. :sarcasm:

You just have to be a Bush crony.


:hi:
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:06 PM
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18. Another person given a major task who's totally unqualified for it.
:eyes: The insanity never stops. Fucking absurd. @#$@#$!!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:06 PM
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19. see my post 15 -- EOM
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:30 PM
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68. Probably equal to or less than an Arabian Horse Association chairperson.
n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:31 PM
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12. Well, I guess I was wrong. I thought he was negotiating his Treasongate
pardon, when he left Bush hanging out there twisting in the wind with no spin machine in the first 4-5 days of Katrina. And I thought it was Cheney who was blackmailing Bush to get total control of LA (with threat to rat on him in Treasongate). But maybe it's still true about Rove negotiating Treasongate pardon--and it's ROVE who threatened to rat on Bush, AND went on strike during Katrina (since Rove has his personal butt on the line, and maybe needs to accumulate some big favors owed to him, in LA loot scene). Or Rove and Cheney are working this gig together (trading Treasongate ratting for LA looting). SOMETHING'S been going on, that's for sure. Just not exactly sure who's on which side of the indictable/unindictable (solid deniality) fracture.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:40 PM
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13. Recommended
Karl's in Charge?

Sound's like a sitcom.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:44 PM
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14. Perfect selection for building the Potemkin Village
For the Potemkin Village Idiot
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 02:58 PM
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15. I hear Hurricane Katrina is a lesbian who wants to take away your Bible!
Yes, Karl has great qualifications for this new job of his.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:11 PM
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21. OK, KKKarl...... EXPOSE YOURSEF! You evil PIG! n/t
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:12 PM
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22. I should be outraged about this
and disbelieveing, and wanting to know more, the details, if it's really true. But curiously, my only reaction is, so what else is new?
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:34 PM
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38. Sounds like a case of BOOS
Bush Outrage Overload Syndrome. It is very common these days, especially among members of DU.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:42 PM
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41. That must be it
I'm not really surprised the US delegation demonstratively left the room during Iran's speech today either.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:12 PM
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23. Brown was dumped because he was an unqualified asshole...
So what exactly are fathead roves qualifications? He took a CPR course??????

so fucking amazing. brownie boy was a crony of idiots* and had no experience, so remove him from the slot and repeat, putting in another crony with no experience. This in a nut shell is why moron* is spiraling out of control. he* will never ever in a million years get it. The man* is that stupid.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:13 PM
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24. que the deathstar music...
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:20 PM
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28. how is this sound bite??????/
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:15 PM
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25. Reconstruction by corrupt republicans turned out SO well for southerners..
in the past.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:37 PM
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103.  had similar thoughts tonight
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 11:39 PM by cosmicdot
scalawags, carpetbaggers, Radical Republicans, Reconstruction
'cept this time, it's the neo-con Recon$truction of the South ...

I sense a big money and power grab going on.

Rove in charge of reconstruction, also, made me mindful of the October 2003 announcement:

Rice to be in charge of reconstruction in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So, how did that go? Or was that all dog and pony (as well as, for money and power)

Opportunity Knocks:

"Yet the system, at every level of government, was not well coordinated, and was overwhelmed in the first few days. It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces -- the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment's notice." (from tonight's speech)

So, is this the pre-emptive conclusion of the "Congress is preparing an investigation, and I will work with members of both parties to make sure this effort is thorough." (It's the use the system to make getting what they want look legit, a la Helping America to Vote Act, etc.)

if so, where will that take us?










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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:15 PM
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26. F-U-D-G-E!!!!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:22 PM
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29. I thought Cheney was in charge ?
I can't believe our national safety, security and relief is based on Abbott and Costello's "Who's on First" routine :rofl:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:23 PM
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30. Two bit hustler and trickster...........
WTF does he know about reconstruction, his only claim to fame is the politics of personal destruction. This is another outrage, * continues to put unqualified people into jobs that require experience. Karl Rove "carpet bagger" will surely make an effort to steer big money contracts to more cronies.

Just when is he being indicted?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:25 PM
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31. What about him voting fraudulently in some election in TX?
GRrrrrr... how can he get away with so much? x(
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:26 PM
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32. Rove Says Bolton Now "Encumbering" Position
But What Does He Mean?
One of the major problems with the neo-orwellian Karl "Joseph Goebbels" Rove propaganda machine, is that the White House not only
has:

. No respect for the truth,
. No respect for the American people,
. No respect for the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights,

But, they also have no respect for language...Recently Bush makes asinine, ahistorical speeches about U.S. history that are so wrong-- that respected historians blush with shame...

Karl Rove likes to play "word games"... Rove thinks this makes him look "clever"...What is too bad, is that the cowardly GOP toadies don't see past his ploy to Tell the Big Lie & Intimidate Them... And, they should tell Rove to "Go To Hell", in unsophisticated, clear language...

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=698
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:27 PM
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33. A PR disaster relief effort. Beautiful.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:30 PM
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34. Yes and then some wonder why (too horrible to be made up!)
We post defeatist things. As if reality was making sense and we were the crazy ones. NO! This piss pot is goverment driving me mad. And then those want to blame us that need to freaking escape REALITY by watching reality tv.
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:32 PM
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35. Can no one stop this pig?
Come on Fitz, bring it on!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:33 PM
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36. They are doing this on purpose
Their arrogance knows no bounds.

Maybe they haven't rolled out their final gift to the world, before they scurry back into their holes in the earth and ride it out.

Funny thing is that once they disappear, we will all probably be better off. When bad things happen we don't go on a rampage of destruction. Everyone just hunkers down and helps each out. Someone how we get through it. I wonder if we can just plug the bung holes of their bunkers when the time comes?



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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:42 PM
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40. Very doable.
"I wonder if we can just plug the bung holes of their bunkers when the time comes?"
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:14 PM
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48. Cool
I'll bring a shovel.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:33 PM
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37. Yup, just handing out all of our money to his buddies. nt
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:47 PM
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42. Isn't it amazing...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 03:48 PM by TwoSparkles
...that Junior can't just lead, solve problems and truly care about the people of this nation without extreme help from a handler?

We saw the pResident "ad libbing" after the hurricane. He did nothing but strum his guitar and allow his unqualified college pals fail the survivors of the hurricane. That was the true pResident. No leadership. No plan. No empathy for citizens who aren't multimillionaires or campaign contributers.

When the Rove machine is plugged in--we get an endless parade of photo ops, speeches, staged appearances--and now, a speech tonight.

Junior will be placed on his mark--smack dab in front of a tall cathedral. He'll hearken back to 9/11--and squeeze some more benefit form that tragedy--because it's worked in the past. He'll try to act compassionate. He'll try to act interested. He'll try to show that he cares.

He can only be these things, after a few weeks of planning, publicity planning and event organization--spearheaded by Karl Rove.

It's really, really sickening and it makes me want to hurl a lung. This is the most HOLLOW, VACUOUS pResident we've ever had. Each and every one of us had more compassion and concern for the hurricane victims--than this pResident had. He had all of the power and he failed, until he saw that his polls were tanking. Then he formulated a plan.

John Kerry, Al Gore or Bill Clinton would had led this nation. They would have ensured that food and water were supplied in the first few days. They would have cared. They would have done it all without needing an "architect" to stage it all, write all of the lines and tell them what church to have in the background.

It's just disgusting that this walking bowl of oatmeal is sitting in the White House.

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adaada Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:02 PM
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46. Could you explain the "pResident"?
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iwentback2ohio Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:22 PM
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50. Explain the pResident
I don't know for sure, but maybe PResident, as in PR - Public Relations?
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:36 PM
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54. Dates back to 2000 - I think it refers to the fact that he wasn't elected
and therefore can't rightly be called "President". But he does reside in the White House, thus "pResident".

Others have gotten around the problem (and think I Bill Maher or someone on his show did this in the past week or so) by referring to his as "Governor Bush", since that's the highest office he was elected to.
Others use * when referring to him - there will always be a * next to his name in the list of Chief Executives, since he was appointed via Bush vs. Gore.
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adaada Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:55 PM
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58. Thnx to you and iwentback2ohio for the explanation. Makes sense to me.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:31 PM
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69. kicking for your post n/t
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 03:55 PM
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43. can't no one stop this farce?
he a con artist.....known snake..liar and bush is going to put him in charge of this......I don't believe that this can happen ........wheres the party to call this into question?
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:00 PM
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44. Would it make any difference if people
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 04:00 PM by Tiggeroshii
...wrote letters to their newspapers encouraging a more vicious role in questioning the qualifications and past of the most powerful white house advisor? Why haven't they done it already? For the sake of legitimacy in government... Why am I asking these questions? Our press is pussy wooop...
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:07 PM
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47. Reconstructing New Orleans?
Or reconstructing Shrubbies piss poor reputation? I think we know which one he's being tasked to.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:22 PM
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49. WTF? That slimy piece of worm-ridden filth!!!
Karl Rove is pure unabashed EVIL! He makes Bin Laden look like an Eagle Scout. Instead of putting that fat unscrupulous perverse taitor beind bars where he belongs, he's reconstructing the worst disaster in US history (AGAIN)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:29 PM
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52. The Crisis for BushCo is not the damage and death to people
but the damage to their reputation/ credibility. It is a POLITICAL crisis for them. Therefore they have mobilized all available resources to change perceptions of their incompetence. the mask slipped. the mask must be replaced. Of course Rove is in charge.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:32 PM
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53. The Puppetmaster, pulling strings...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 04:32 PM by triguy46
Is there no issue in which this sinister political monster does not exert his influence?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:49 PM
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56. Shrub started feeling like Caligula, about NOV 4th or 5th 2004 And
we helped.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 04:54 PM
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57. Sorry, but it just makes it sound
like certain Republicans were actually just waiting for a disaster of this magnitude to happen. And Rove's qualifications are...? Traitor?
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:07 PM
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60. The only thing worse than Rove
is if Bush put Grover Norquist in charge.

Unbelievable.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:20 PM
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61. Well of course, President Rove is in charge of the recovery efforts!
DUH!!!

:banghead:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 05:59 PM
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62. Welcome to the French Quarter's hottest new bar, the Turd Blossom!
:beer: :puke:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:01 PM
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63. Cheney is in charge of foreign policy, Karl is in charge of...
Homeland Security and reconstruction of New Orleans...what exactly is the Texas Tard in charge of?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:10 PM
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64. Which Democrats are on TV raising hell about this?
???
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:22 PM
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66. I didn't see any on the news tonight...
so I would have to conclude NO Democrats are raising caine about this.

So much for an opposition party, but then it's probably Nader's fault that the Democrats are a weak and ineffective opposition party, huh?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:43 PM
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76. Nothing changed after the hurricane.
Same out-of touch, frightened Democrats.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:00 AM
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107. I heard they were all on vacation. n/t
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:54 PM
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99. YOU MISSED IT!
If you'd have been watching CSPAN late this afternoon, they gave their reply to shrubs speech before he gave it. Sen Durban, told us what bush needed to say point by point, ie, because of the huge expense to the national budget, he should announce that he would withdraw the tax break request for the richest among us "the estate tax" as well as repeal the huge tax breaks for the wealthy, etc. etc. Of course bush touched upon NONE of these issues!! Everyone knows he was just making empty promises to save his ass!!
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:21 PM
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65. Doesn't congress have any say over this?
Like it would matter, the Dems would probably roll over for this just like they are going to roll over and confirm John Roberts and whomever else Bush nominates for the Supreme Court.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:44 PM
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77. DEMs could make the case in the court of public opinion...
...but they have to go on TV and make pointed accusations first.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:24 PM
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67. I guess he hasn't much time left until October? October surprise?
Since he has only until October before he will be serving a jail sentence?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:33 PM
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70. Dubya's "trusted circle" must really be shrinking
soon his chauffeur will be heading the Treasury Dept.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:37 PM
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73. Pray for The City of New Orleans
Because if an Arabian horse wrangler can destroy the city, what can a guy nicknamed for what comes out of horses do for an encore?
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:43 PM
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75. "I pledge that new toilets in New Orleans will swallow Qu'rans whole"
No, he didn't say that, but it's probably a talking point in the West Wing. I wouldn't put anything past these guys. They must complete their mission, after all.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:45 PM
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78. I can't believe Anyone needed to be told this, * flying to an empty city
to give a BS speech to an empty square? Of course this is a KKKarl Rove Production.

I was just surprised that he's not even going to have the 60,000 or so Troops and NG as his audience. What? He doesn't even trust them now, not to Boo and Hiss?

This is bound to be a TERRIBLE Speech, * hates sayin'Big words (can't really call what he does "giving a speech") without a bunch of bought and paid for Rubes hooting an hollering for him to tell him when he made a point.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:50 PM
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80. Shit
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 06:58 PM
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82. i hope the ladies (gov and Senator)---give him plenty of crapola!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:00 PM
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83. Nigan, the major seems the type to bow to Rove. sorry, just a gut feeling.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:12 PM
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85. Nagin
n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:05 PM
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84. So when Bush is questioned about NO. progress he says talk to Karl
I don't believe this is going to fly for long...!

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:15 PM
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86. So..Nothing new, nothing is changing, New Orleans will be used just as
Iraq was to fill the coffers of Bush Co cronies. There will be no accounting of the billions budgeted to FEMA. All the screaming and crying and starving and dying will result in absolutely nothing except enriching more of BushCo's cronies..
Excuse me. I am going into my bathroom and puke.
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degreesofgray Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:47 PM
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88. Jan. 20, 2009
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:47 PM by degreesofgray
Will there be anything left to salvage if we make it until then? At every corner, there is another insult, another disaster. It's simply never-ending with these malignant fools.
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NCPatriot Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:52 PM
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90. Looks like a way out of Plamegate
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:54 PM by NCPatriot
In regards to this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050916/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc

I can hear it all unfolding already...

* Says: We take full um... uh... take full responsibility for the actions of Turd-Blossom, and sincerely regret any undue stress caused to Mr Wilson.

That being said... Turd Boy is now 100% in charge of the fine citizens of the Gulf States who lost everything, (Which we also took responsibility for) due to the mishandling of their local and state officials. I feel it is in the best interest of all those poor souls, to grant this pardon to Turd and give him a humanitarian award, so we do not disrupt the process of rebuilding.

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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 10:57 PM
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100. Welcome to DU NC Patriot . .
I think your analysis / prediction of Rove's pending pardon is right on the money.


:toast:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:02 PM
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91. When are they going to indict that son of a bitch?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:13 PM
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93. Rove in charge: WELL NOT FOR LONG, TOOTS (crosses fingers)
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 09:27 PM
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94. Yah tell that A** to come on down!!!!
Bring him down the price and time is right!!!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 11:35 PM
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102. Actually, this is far worse...
than appointing Michael Brown as director of FEMA. Rove has no useful experience whatsoever at anything of any real use. He is just an evil bastard whose specialty is attacking the "enemy" by smearing the enemy on their strongest attributes. If he has any "gift" at all, it is recognizing the best in someone, and hating them for it. Some gift.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:23 AM
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104. That clown is the best this country has to offer?
No wonder the rest of the world thinks the US is going "third world"
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:44 AM
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106. He's always been behind the curtain -nothing new. n/t
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:54 AM
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113. "IGNORE THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!
The POWERFUL AND MAGNIFICENT OZ HAS SPOKEN!!!!!"
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 03:50 AM
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108. The "Rove Defense Fund" - won't do him any good...
while wearing that orange jumpsuit. <wishing and hoping>
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desertrain55 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 08:30 AM
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109. Karl Rove in charge of Katrina Reconstruction
We'll watch the pigs line up at the trough now to make money on the destruction. More cronyism, more pain, more suffering... just to shore up Bush's lousy ratings....

I think Americans are finally waking up and seeing more of the hypocracy as their average dollars get shifted to the already rich.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:13 PM
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120. see it took them a week to respond because they were busy
figuring out how to capitalize on it. And now that a pr guy is in charge of reconstruction, all the pieces are in place.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:56 AM
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110. It's a good choice
he's a wind expert… And that seems to work with many American people
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:16 AM
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111. Gee, I didn't know....
...Krap Karl had a degree in civil engineering. Oh, wait, he doesn't have a degree. Well, the poor dear needs something to soothe over the fact that his Mommy offed herself (probably because she had an extra-marital affair with some shithead, which subsequently produced her bastard offspring, Karl).

This needs to be thrown in Karl's face at every opportunity.
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FrederickM Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:41 AM
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112. Rove in charge of reconstruction effort
This is another in a long line of outrageous decisions by W. And Karl Rove, should not even be at the White House, doing "the people's work," which, in this upside down Bush fiasco Presidency, means "carrying W's water." This man should at the very least, have lost his security clearance, until the now apparently forgotten about "Investigation..." that Scotty, W's Mouthpiece, (and Guggarts' good friend from all those white house sleep overs) would have us believe is well under way in the Valerie Plume case. I mean really... Rove should be under investigation for TREASON!
The mere fact, that long gone Fema figurehead, Brownie, prepared his big launch to enter the Gulf States Disaster area, by telling his troops to stay on mission. What mission was that? Why the one Karl told him about... they had to get down there and salvage the Presidents poll ratings! After all... both Chertoff (who, by the way, should also be long gone!) and Brown didn't even know there were tens of thousands of US citizens, inside that damn Super dome, where they were caged in like rats... and abandoned by the Bush Administration. Hell! Super dome, hell! The Presidents Approval ratings are 38%! Now That's a national tragedy!
These people make me sick! I tell you, we must work as hard as possible to get this Republican Congress sent home where they belong. If only their Democrats can regain enough momentum and seats to actually represent the people of this nation... these Bush criminals must be pursued no matter how long it takes!
Rove and Co. are about to channel Billions down the same damn rat hole, that Halburton started in Irag! (How much cash is still missing? Enough to buy a whole lot of roadside bombs, that's for sure!
I swear, these people are going to get us all killed! The whole damn world, now knows that the American emperor has no clothes! We have no allies, there are Mexican troops feeding Americans, in W's beloved hillbilly haven... Texas, where else? Meanwhile these criminals, prepare for one more multi billion dollar rip-off, before they flee Washington at the end of this criminal;l moron president, borrows billions to give away to the same damn people that have been paid billions in Iraq... and they still do not even have the da,mn lights on! After 3 years~!

Outrage,after outrage. If this Opposition party, that we all have our faith in, lets us down the way the Bush Crime family has let down our nation.... then it may be time, friends to think about getting the hell out of Dodge. Can't you just hear the [plotting and planning going on in the caves of Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq? I can hear Osama now.... "Finnish them off while the moron is still their (hahahha!) elected President? Mushroom Cloud warning indeed, you damn fools!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 11:56 AM
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114. Karl Rove in charge of Katrina COVERING-UP Effort. n/t
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:55 PM
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115. I almost posted this (cynically) yesterday!
What if they put Rove in charge of the reconstruction, yuk, yuk, sarcasm, etc.? Way too weird.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 12:58 PM
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116. New Orleans is doomed with that traitor given license to destroy
it.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:05 PM
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117. they'll probably promote PR people to fix all jobs they
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 01:08 PM by superconnected
screw up on now.

They don't want the jobs done well, they want Publicity to not be bad.

Bush has never cared about helping the poor and middle class before. Why would he care about doing that now.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:09 PM
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118. That's some more
"finger in your eye" dems!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:10 PM
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119. Would FEMA and the National Guard have responded had the press
Edited on Fri Sep-16-05 01:11 PM by superconnected
not focused on blaming them?

Well they didn't respond for the whole week of the FLOOD when people needed them most.

I'm going to say, no. The didn't respond until publicity got bad.

I doubt the Red Cross would have responded either.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 01:19 PM
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121. I'm going to be sick.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 02:35 PM
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122. And this is a surprise how?
KKKarl's already in charge of everything. Why would this be any different?

:eyes:

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