Venezuela's Chavez wants UN out of United States

[arcos]

Venezuela's Chavez wants UN out of United States

UNITED NATIONS, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez used the United Nations on Thursday to fire a broadside at the United States, saying the world body should move out of New York over the war in Iraq.

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"Today we know there were never weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but despite that, and going over the head of the United Nations, Iraq was bombed and occupied. So the United Nations must be pulled out of the United States," Chavez said.

The three-day New York summit was convened to mark the United Nations' 60th birthday by laying out a plan for multilateral action in the new century on terrorism, human rights, development, peacebuilding and U.N. management reform.

Chavez branded the plan "illegal" for failing to respect anti-poverty goals set by a U.N. summit in 2000 and said the United Nations instead needed drastic overhaul.

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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15534060.htm

[shadowknows69]

1. Go Hugo

I know what the peech will be tonight. Bush is going to declare the entire UN a terrorist organization and detain all the heads of state.

[Flanker]

21. Chavez nominated South America

Funny how both sides of the spectum can agree to this.

[calimary]

109. That's gonna send some neocons and others to the Rolaids package.

They're gonna hate the very idea that they might agree with him on this.

Frankly, I think the UN should move to a seriously international city like either Geneva OR Jerusalem. Or maybe Oslo or Stockholm. Some international center where they're not known for taking sides. Jerusalem I think is a good choice mainly because, it seems to me, if you had to pick a capitol of the world, this would be the best choice.

[0007]

2. Guess we could get Bolton to take off the top ten floors for starters.

[Fenris]

3. He's got something in common with the Freepers and libertarians!

[enid602]

4. reaction

Anyone know what the reaction on the floor was to Hugo's comments, or are UN delegates too dignified to yeah or boo?

[Justyce]

5. Shit, I hate the entire UN being

against us... who will get our back next time he pisses a country off?? I hope the rest of the world notices the majority of the country is against him now... :(

[Amonester]

12. The world (at least those of us who keep watching and hoping)

(the "informed" world) noticed. Still haven't changed anything yet, but the world sure wants Fitz to wrap up the PNAC in a roll of formal accusations ASAY (yesterday...) and wishes Siebel Edmonds is to be free to say all about what she knows too.

"Spreading freedom" (the proper way... i.e. Diplomacy) will not stand a chance to resume before she's free to talk!!



Edit: spelling (apologies)

[termo]

48. you made your choice

"I hope the rest of the world notices the majority of the country is against him now... :("

FYI, the "rest of the world" noticed he was reelected...
:spank:

[tavalon]

60. Sadly, he was almost reelected

and Diebold finished off the coup. We didn't even need the Supreme Court to break the law this time.

[Peace Patriot]

69. How do you know "he was almost reelected"?

The election system that Tom Delay and Bush's Congress arranged for us for 2004, with a $4 billion bribe to the states, consists of electronic voting machines and central tabulators owned and controlled by far rightwing (major Bush supporter) electronics companies, using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code to "tabulate" our votes--and, in a third of the country, not even a "paper trail" to recount and verify results, and, in the rest of the country, extremely inadequate auditing.

The shocking thing is that THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE RESULTS WERE.

Was this even an "election"? Can it even be dignified with that word?

Plus, there is a mountain of external evidence that the result for president was wrong (as it likely was, also, for many other offices).

There are the war profiteering corporate news monopoly exit polls, showing a Kerry win by a 3% margin (which the TV networks, acting in concert, "adjusted," late on election day, to "fit" the "official result" derived from Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae--thus denying the American people major evidence of election fraud).

These polls only reflect the votes of those who made it to the polling booth. Then there are the 1 to 2 million black voters who were purged from the nation's voting rolls prior to the election (estimated by Greg Palast); the long, long, long voting lines in Ohio, only in Democratic precincts; the fear and intimidation tactics, and unfair challenges of Democratic voters in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and other places; the western RNC operatives who were shredding Dem voter registration cards, etc., etc. Another million? Two million?

My guess: Kerry's margin of victory, if ALL votes had been counted, would be in the 5% to 10% range. A blowout victory. (And actually, the 3% margin among those who were permitted to vote was a decisive victory.)

The rest of the democratic world knows this. THEY do NOT permit this kind of crap to occur in THEIR voting systems. Venezuela, for instance, had OPEN SOURCE CODE in their electronic voting machines--that is, the vendors are required to disclose the programming software for anyone to inspect. In other democratic countries, exit polls are used to verify elections and check for fraud. That's their purpose. Not here. Here, although the news monopolies' polls showed a Kerry win, they HID the results--FALSIFIED them!

And the idea of BUSH PARTISANS controlling the election results with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code has the rest of the world wondering if we've lost our minds!

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We need...

Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).

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Get on it, people! Throw these election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW! (--or a Louisiana levee will do!).

Forget Congress doing anything. THEY are the ones who corrupted our election system--with their $4 billion appropriation to the states to purchase these shoddy, unreliable, insecure HACKABLE machines, made to order for fraud. We still have some influence at the state/local level, where the power of election systems still resides. That's where we must put the pressure, and that's where we must fight to evict corrupt election officials of both parties.

You wonder why Venezuela has such a great president? You wonder why WE have a war that was opposed by FIFTY-EIGHT PERCENT of the American people, way back in Feb. '03, before the invasion (across the board in all polls), and which continued to be opposed by the American people at nearly 60% levels throughout the campaign (with only one dip in that figure, in the few weeks of the invasion, with U.S. troops at max risk), and which is now opposed by over 70% of the American people?

You wonder why we have a president with whom 60% to 70% of the American people disagree on EVERY MAJOR POLICY, foreign and domestic (you name it: the Iraq war, torture policy, Social Security, the deficit, women's rights), across the board in all polls over the last year?

This is why. And the rest of the civilized world is quite aware of it, and they are rooting for us, and hoping that we will WAKE UP. We taught the world democracy, with our revolution, and with hard-won battles for progressive policy from 1776 to 1980, when fascism began to rear its ugly head, under Reagan. And now it's our turn to learn that lesson again: that the rich and the powerful and the bloodthirsty MUST be regulated, curtailed and held accountable by the MAJORITY, which can only be done by TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections.

If we don't get back control over our election system, it's all over. American democracy will be HISTORY!

It's no wonder that a truly democratic country like Venezuela is openly questioning the presence of the United Nations headquarters in our country, the worst and most corrupted democracy on earth!

We, who almost single-handedly CREATED the United Nations, are now the scandal of the world.

And only we can fix it. And the time is NOW.

[tavalon]

101. I think it was close enough that they were able to steal it

But, I'm even beginning to doubt that it really needed to be that close to be able to be stolen.

[movonne]

6. I really like this guy...he and Galloway can sure say it like it is..

[Canadian Socialist]

7. If I might presume to suggest another location

I nominate Winnipeg. Sure it's cold in the winter, but think of the plus sides! Geographical centre of (laterally) of North America; very multi-cultural society; cheap like borscht to live there; socialist (provincial) government; easy to get to/get around in; it's in Canada! There are multitudinous reasons to move the U.N. there... no earthquakes, hurricanes, or tsunamis. And it's Winnipeg! The best city in Canada (IMHO).

[still_one]

actually Switzerland might not be a bad idea

[1932]

19. Too expensive. It should be someone where poor countries can afford

to maintian large staffs.

[IndyJones]

26. I agree.

[Spider Jerusalem]

47. How about Austria?

Austria is "permanently neutral" under a 1955 treaty. Which makes it (along with Switzerland) the best candidate for relocation of UN headquarters.

[Usrename]

67. We need to make Austria the 51st state.

That way AAAArnold can run for President. No changes needed to the Constitution. It's all covered in the freeper handbook.

[confludemocrat]

76. Same problem as Switzerland--too expensive. Spain? n/t

[bullimiami]

8. maybe the united states should be fixed so we are worthy of the

institution we were so instumental in creating but which bushco is trying so hard to destroy.

[evworldeditor]

9. Relocate to Where?

I wonder what his thoughts are on where to relocate the U.N.? Switzerland? The Hague? Personally, I think somewhere in the heart of Africa would be appropriate... let people see how the rest of the world lives.

Any suggestions?

[Ignis]

11. Move it to Sealand!

http://www.sealandgov.com/

[Canadian Socialist]

20. Hello?

See post 7... just sayin'

[ninkasi]

70. Canada sounds great to me...

I'd move there today if it were possible. It's a beautiful country, with beautiful people.

[sweetheart]

29. south africa

It is ground zero of the majority of the world's situation.

[ozone_man]

105. Yes, that would be a very suitable location.

Rough translation of Chavez's request for relocation of UN.

The president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, affirmed Thursday that the UN, in its present form, "does not serve", and proposed his refoundation in a "international city" that would have "to be in the South" of the planet

I think Africa would be the best location, especially South Africa.

[arcos]

30. he's suggesting a new international city, somewhere in the south...

In Spanish:
http://www.ain.cubaweb.cu/2005/septiembre/sep15iggchavezonu05.htm

[mdelaguna2000]

59. Nice (Africa) n/t

[Seeking Serenity]

10. There are probably not a few Manhattanites who would agree with him

I've heard about the problems with some of the diplomats and their diplomatic immunity.

[IndyJones]

27. Exactly! I think the locals would be happy for them to move out!

[NVMojo]

13. I agree witih Chavez, we don't deserve it. The USA leadership is

nothing more than a big bully. Forget 9-11, they don't care anymore, it gave them the excuse to put into place the NEOCON "Project For A New Century" manifesto of global military dominance. And Americans let them do it, they fell for the "bait and switch" tactic and we will never know the real story behind 9-11 until these jerks are cold in their graves ....

[Amonester]

17. I'd prefer to know the real story long before that...

And that would be... until these jerks are cold in their prison cell.


Now c'mon: everybody who lives in the real home of the Brave, let's see that you all do that properply. The world knows you can do much better. You have our backs (for that and more)! Now c'mon, Fitz? Siebel?

[Peace Patriot]

74. "Americans let them do it."--NVMojo. No, I don't agree with that.

See my post above on our election system--owned and controlled by Bushite companies, using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic voting systems.

We are only culpable in that we permitted our election system to be taken over by Bushite companies. But we had ALL POWERS WITHIN OUR SOCIETY operating against us FINDING OUT what kind of contracts both Dem and Repub election officials were signing with these election theft companies, and what it meant. We had corrupt Dem Party leaders and election officials, and the DNC and the DLC, and war profiteering corporate news monopolies, and, of course, Bush and the Bush Cartel all doing their best to HIDE this scandal from us.

We didn't have much of a chance. There were experts and PH.D's and many citizens and investigators yelling about it. They were black-holed in the "news."

Please wrap your mind around these stats, which I mentioned above, including this one: FIFTY-EIGHT PERCENT of the American people opposed the Iraq war prior to the invasion. That stat had to include a number of Republicans and independents. And it dipped only once (during the invasion itself, with troops at max risk) then went right back up to nearly 60%, where it stayed throughout the election campaign.

The American people have never supported this war. Never!

And when you look at other stats, you find the same. The great majority of Americans oppose every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, in the 60% to 70% range (!), and have for over a year.

Another such stat: 63% of the American people oppose torturing prisoners UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. May '04.

The American people are not stupid. The American people have not been fooled. The American people HAVE NOT BOUGHT all the fearmongering and the lies.

What the American people are is disempowered and DISENFRANCHISED!

For which there IS a remedy--and it's right down the street at your local voting precinct where your votes are, forevermore, going to be "disappeared" within Bushite-controlled electronic voting systems, if we don't change this.

I think that 58% of those opposed to the war closely approximates the margin by which Kerry won (his margin maybe a couple of points less, due to his weak statements on the war--not that it was wrong and he would stop it, but that he would do a better, more efficient war). (With all things being equal, a true antiwar candidate would have blown Bush out of the water. As it was, if all votes had been counted, Bush lost by a mere landslide.)

[pfitz59]

14. Sad to say, Hugo's correct....

US has lost any claim to leadership. I say move the UN to Geneva.

[Maple]

15. TOTALLY AGREE

and the UN has a standing invitation to move to Montreal

Many other places would welcome it as well.

[firefox]

16. But we have already bugged all the offices

I think they should bitch slap the US and leave. For an organization of peace, they do not belong in a country wrapped up in global domination using terror, assassination, overthrowing regimes, and outright military aggression.

[slor]

18. I agree...move it out...

my only request is that I may be permitted to go with it!

[krkaufman]

22. I've been wondering for a while why the UN stays in the US. n/t

[benburch]

23. Sort of John Birch Society Schtick in Reverse!!! nt

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Think Chavez will put up billboards that say

"Get UN out of the US" ???

:evilgrin:

[hwmnbn]

66. Funny.....

Yep he should do it. Wait a minute, WE should do it!

[goforit]

24. I'm sure Bush and the Repugs couldn't agree with you more knowing

how much they have wanted to destroy it.

Teddy Rosevelt would be rolling in his grave!!!

[IndyJones]

28. I don't think it should be destroyed! I have no problem with it moving.

[Roy]

43. I'm not sure I agree...

I don't think they wish to destroy the UN. I think they just want to keep it weak enough to be used for their nefarious purposes.

After all, they exploited the UN into allowing people to think that they were on board, lending legitimacy to their invasion of Iraq.

[Peace Patriot]

75. Well, Powell SPOKE to the U.N.--a great howling pack of 100% lies which

only Tony Blair supported (and everybody else in the world KNEW was a pack of lies). The U.N. did NOT support Bush's invasion, not even a little bit. The U.N. weapons inspectors disagreed with our pack of lies, and said so, and were infuriated when Bush's invasion forced them out of Iraq, because their intense inspection methods WERE WORKING. Iraq was effectively disarmed--and indeed helpless--when Bush invaded.

And, boy, if I were a U.N. weapons inspector--or the representative of a peaceful country--I would sure hesitate to EVER permit that to happen again--the total disabling of a country, which a coward like Bush could take advantage of, with preemptive, unilateral invasion.

Bush has turned the U.S. into a PARIAH.

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As for cities to house the U.N., I vote for:

1. Caracas (because they deserve it, for having created democracy in Venezuela--a truly amazing accomplishment).

2. Paris (just because.) (you know, the Resistance and all; and universal health care; and their serving fresh produce off the farm to hospital patients, and wouldn't think of doing anything else; and it IS the most beautiful city on earth; and Lafayette; and the Statue of Liberty; and storming the Bastille and all that... and "Freedom Fries" (I mean we owe them one))...(okay, okay)....

3. New Dehli (the east is where it's at, for the next century or so).

[Roy]

106. you get no argument from me....

Just throwing out another prospective.

[IndyJones]

25. Sounds great to me. Maybe Chavez could kick up his UN contributions, too!

Then could the US stop funding nearly 23% of the UN operations? Hurray! I'm all for it!

[CHIMO]

32. Yep

The spins offs alone should cover that little bit.

[leesa]

35. You mean with those UN dues we wouldn't pay?

We are always the least generous in world charity, so maybe we need to pay more. We also seem to be involved in kicking off a lot of the war and choas the UN needs to get involved in.

[Judi Lynn]

41. That's a direct score, leesa. The UN could spend far less of its resources

in far more productive areas if it weren't for the goddawful wreckage some of our administrations have left all over the world.

I don't know how they can look at themselves in the mirror. They must stay drunk 24/7 to forget the carnage we've caused, the broken lives, the suffering anytime there's a Republican idiot in the White House, or a throng of Republican pompous, murderous asses in Congress.

[Judi Lynn]

40. You're seeing a world composed of equally capable countries, apparently

The United States uses 25% of the world's energy, and dominates every country on earth when it is being managed by right-wing warhogs.

The contributions made to the United Nations are ALWAYS connected, when there's a MEpublican Congress in charge, to blackmail, using the threat of withholding whenever they have demands to make concerning social sexual programs in other countries, like abortion, birth control methods, etc., and that simply isn't honest participation. It's bullying. Being a huge world presence does NOT entitle you to harrass and dominate others, even though our idiot, greedy, imperious MEpublicans can't discipline themselves enough to resist the chance when it's there.

They are power gluttons. They think anything you can take, seize, demand is theirs for the taking, if there's no one who can stop them. They do NOT give. Their gifts are used to coerce results they want from others. That's filthy.

[oblivious]

44. Judi Lynn, I really appreciate your posts.

[Judi Lynn]

49. Thanks so much for your comment. You are very kind.

Completely unexpected. Thank you!

[dutchdoctor]

68. The U.S. doesn't pay nearly as much as it should in economic aid

to developing countries.
Here is the list. All countries have agreed to give 0.7% of their GDP in economic assistance, only Denmark, The Netherlands and Norway actually make it. The world's richest country gives less than 10% of what it is obliged to.

Country Description Amount
1. Denmark $0.93 per $100
2. Netherlands $0.83 per $100
3. Norway $0.76 per $100
4. Sweden $0.66 per $100
5. Luxembourg $0.53 per $100
6. Switzerland $0.43 per $100
7. Belgium $0.33 per $100
8. France $0.31 per $100
9. Finland $0.25 per $100
10. Germany $0.23 per $100
11. United Kingdom $0.23 per $100
12. Ireland $0.22 per $100
13. Japan $0.21 per $100
14. Austria $0.20 per $100
15. Canada $0.19 per $100
16. Australia $0.14 per $100
17. Portugal $0.14 per $100
18. Spain $0.14 per $100
19. New Zealand $0.10 per $100
20. Italy $0.06 per $100
21. United States $0.05 per $100
22. Lesotho $0 per $100
23. United Arab Emirates $0 per $100
24. Saudi Arabia $0 per $100
25. Korea, South $0 per $100
Weighted Average$0.17 per $100 GDP

[Peace Patriot]

85. Venezuela is a small, poor country, by comparison to the U.S., where

it's brand new democracy is struggling to overcome centuries of exploitation by the richest countries of the world, by managing its oil profits to build schools, medical clinics and other services to Venezuela's vast poor population--never before served by government.

Do you know what Venezuela pays to the U.N.? Do you know how much in arrears the Bushites are, in U.N. support?

Is Venezuela's support for the U.N. comparable, for its size and level of wealth?

And what of the Bushites loathing of the U.N., and their attempts to twist its programs to serve the purposes of war, corporations and the rich, and fascist policy toward women and the poor?

And what of the ravages that Bushites and Reaganites have inflicted on Central and South America--assassinations of its democratic leaders, vast killings and torture by the dictators we supported, covert war on Nicaragua and El Salvador, U.S.-trained death squads, vast resource exploitation with no benefit to the people, and on and on?

Does the U.S. funding of 23% of the U.N. operations (if true) even come close to recompensing the Central and South Americans for what we have done to them, over the decades and centuries?

You can't evaluate a program or an institution on money values alone. The Bushites are pouring billions into Louisiana. And where do you think that money is going to end up?

So, do we conclude that the Bushites should have the most say about the fate of New Orleans--because they're appropriating billions (right into the pockets of Halliburton, Bechtel, Fluor, etc.)?

I think you made too quick a judgment of this situation--with a sneer at Venezuela because it's a poor country.

By your logic, the poor should have less say, less of a vote? Is that not a Bushite view, that power should be equivalent to money?

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Gee, who'd ever think that Chavez and * have something in common. nt

[tom_paine]

34. I agree. The UN should be in a Free World Country.

That excludes Imperial Amerika. Free Countries are those who get to vote for National Leaders.

That excludes Imperial Amerika.

http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html

[HKTech]

36. And Millions of New Yorkers Cheer!!!!!!!!!!

Good Riddence.

[Maple]

37. Until you count up the lost tax dollars

Talk about LOOKING for ways to shoot yourself in the foot!

[earth mom]

93. Money isn't everything. Most dems know that. eom

[dutchdemocrat]

38. Move it to the Netherlands

The Hague - right next to the World Court. They won't have far to drag Bush that way.

[Maple]

39. Now now....that's very harsh

I'm sure you could raise all the airfare you wanted in one simple appeal.

You could renovate the entire Hague with what's left over. :7

[defiant1]

71. LoL....

:rofl:

[0rganism]

42. At last, the freepers and Chavez can have some common ground

I don't doubt for a second that any other member of the security council would love to grab the prestige associated with hosting the UN, and there are probably scores of other member nations that would volunteer as well.

[donheld]

45. God I love Hugo

He's the only one who says what needs to be said.

[CoffeeCat]

46. So...would it take a vote to move the UN out of NYC?

How does the UN decide on where it's "headquarters" are?

Do they all vote on the location?

Is there an annual vote that happens?

I don't feel that a BushCo-led America deserves to house the UN. However, it's pretty scary that our country has come to this point, where we are losing respect.

I'm scared that down the road, those of us who oppose BushCo may need understanding and help from the UN.

[Judi Lynn]

50. Things can't be allowed to deteriorate while Bush takes us all downhill...

The very idea that a U.S. President would allow his goddawful idiot fundie preacher, Pat Robertson, to call for an assassination of a country's distinguished leader, then, knowing he plans to come to New York, to try to block his security, which would leave him exposed to assassins like the ones Robertson has called for to pick him off easily is UNACCEPTABLE. Civilized men and woman don't act like that. Just MEpublicans.

He meant it as a threat, I'm completely convinced. It wasn't more than a few months ago, William Brownfield confirmed there had been a threat against Chavez, which had been originally delivered to Venezuela's Vice President by the previous ambassador, Creepy Old Shapiro:

Venezuela's accusations against Washington were given added credibility when Venezuelan Vice-President Jose Rangel told the media that former US ambassador to Venezuela Charles Shapiro had informed him of a potential plot to kill Chavez.

According to a March 9 Vheadline report, current US ambassador Brownfield confirmed that Shapiro had informed the Venezuelan government that US officials had information of a potential assassination attempt. Brownfield denied that the US government was party to the plot.
(snip/...)

http://www.petroleumworld.com/Lag031805.htm

Following, photo of William Brownfield speaking with Vice President Rangel, and Creepy, slimey Venezuelan oligarchy-loving, coup-plotters-loving Charles Shapiro, talking to Rangel.



They both look shifty, don't they? I'd be nervous in a country where I was trying to destroy an honestly ELECTED leader, too.

The U.N. should leave to a new address as soon as possible. Right-wingers have bitched and whined for decades about having to host the U.N., and pay U.N. dues, and foreign aid. Take another reason to gibber and howl AWAY from them, so they'll shut the bleep UP.

[Judi Lynn]

51. Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War

Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War

By KIM GAMEL
Associated Press Writer

September 16, 2005, 5:20 AM EDT

UNITED NATIONS -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took President Bush to task in front of a global summit for waging war in Iraq without U.N. consent and won rousing applause for his critique.
(snip)

"There were never weapons of mass destruction but Iraq was bombed, and over U.N. objections, (it was) occupied and continues being occupied," Chavez said. Bush alleged that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction but none have been found, shattering one of his main arguments for going to war.

"That's why we propose to this assembly that the United Nations leave this country, which is not respectful of the very resolutions of this assembly," Chavez said.
(snip)

World leaders at the summit had been asked to speak for five minutes but Chavez ran long and when the presiding diplomat passed him a note saying his time was up, he threw it on the floor. He said if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he.

When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.
(snip/...)

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-un-chavez,0,3395650.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

[malaise]

52. Viva Chavez n/t

[Melodybe]

53. Best article I've read tonight! Viva Chavez! Kicked and nominated!

[nofurylike]

55. yes. kicked and nominate too! feels good, yes. :) eom

[nofurylike]

54. Viva Chavez !! thank you for this delight, Judi Lynn! eom

[Judi Lynn]

57. He's quite a guy, isn't he, nofurylike? Hope Bush doesn't have him killed.

I hope he lives on to a healthy, accident, assassination-free old age, and gets the chance to accomplish all he wants to do for his people, the REAL people of Venezuela.



Chavez is walking behind _Bush, and Myreya Moscoso, the former President of Panama, who just happened to pardon the mass-murderer, former Cuban "exile" Luis Posada Carriles, who helped kill 73 people in the first ever in-flight airliner bombing, who was in Panama with 3 other Cuban "exiles," to kill Fidel Castro by bombing him in a large auditorium filled with people. Moscoso pardoned him a week before she left office, and immediately phoned the Cuban "exile" community in Miami to tell them she had sprung him, and that he was free.

He came here, and is being held, (protected?) in Texas in a jail while _Bush's administration tries to find a way to get him off the hook.

Venezuela wants Posada back, as he escaped from Venezuelan prison where he was awaiting trial for the mass-murder airline bombing.

[nofurylike]

61. yes! i am more amazed by him all the time! you read he is on nightline

tonight? - assuming i read that correctly on a post somewhere in GD.

i too fear for him, and wish for him "a healthy, accident, assassination-free old age...." he does have much to accomplish!

thank you for posting all of this, Judi Lynn. i really needed that. we all do.


peace!

[Judi Lynn]

62. Omigosh! No, never heard it. You broke it in L.B.N., I'm sure!

If it's true, it will be wonderful. If he makes it to that show, he's going to have a captive audience. Even Freep creeps would be so lucky to have a President who cares that much about his country.

Thanks for tipping us off. I'm going to try to find out more about this: sure hope he'll do Nightline!

[nofurylike]

63. it is this thread in GD. have to read down some, but it does say he is

on nightline tonight, friday night. wow!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4789436

"Even Freep creeps would be so lucky to have a President who cares that much about his country."
yes! i can see them being furied with jealousy, and embarrassment.


peace!

[Judi Lynn]

64. There it is, from scarletwoman, #72. Excellent. Thanks! n/t

[nofurylike]

65. thank you. sorry i didn't put which post! it seems it should be front page

news here. but there, kind of 'hidden' down in there...

i hope it will be more bold by tomorrow night. everyone should get to hear him. though i fear to trust how koppel will handle that chance.


peace!

[mdelaguna2000]

56. I may have to move to Venezuela

OMG I love this man. This is what TRUE leadership is like. Might for right.

[Say_What]

72. This is precisely why Bush denied the visas to Chavez's security team

Fear that Hugo would upstage him and guess what, he did!!

Go Hugo!!
Viva Venezuela!!

[Say_What]

73. " if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he. "

From the article:

World leaders at the summit had been asked to speak for five minutes but Chavez ran long and when the presiding diplomat passed him a note saying his time was up, he threw it on the floor. He said if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he.

When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RPM_BU]

58. Then we can use the vacant U.N, building

to house some of the displaced New Orleans residents.

[Say_What]

77. Venezuela’s Chavez Says UN Needs a Revolution

How refreshing--someone with a brain and ideas... so unlike the moronic Weasel in the White House.

<clips>

Venezuela’s President Chavez, in a fiery 22 minute speech at the opening of the 60th UN General Assembly, called for a revolution in the UN, proposing four immediate changes for the transformation of the UN. “The 21st century demands changes that are only possible with a refounding of this organization,” said Chavez. “Mere reforms are not enough…”

Chavez explained that Venezuela envisions two types of transformations – those for the immediate short-term and those for the long-term. The short-term changes include, first, the expansion of the Security Council, both of its permanent members and its non-permanent members, so that Third World countries have a stronger presence. Second, Chavez said the UN’s functioning has to be improved, by increasing transparency. Third, the veto power of the five permanent members must be abolished. Fourth, the role of the Secretary General must be strengthened and consolidated.

...Next, Chavez raised both the problem of the high oil price and environmental concerns, pointing out that these problems cannot be solved by the free market. Rather, said Chavez, “Now, more than ever, we need a new international order.” He reminded the audience that 31 years ago, in 1974, the UN approved an action program for a New International Economic Order, which guaranteed states the right to nationalize properties and natural resources that were in the hands of foreigners and that proposed the creation of cartels of primary material producers.

This new international economic order was supposed to replace the Bretton Woods agreement, which included fixed exchange rates and that had fallen apart a year earlier. According to Chavez, Venezuela proposes that this old idea be picked up again and that a new international political order be created as well, in light of the violation of international law, as the doctrine of “preventive war” represents.


President Chavez speaks to the UN, saying that it needs a revolution, not reform. Credit: ABN/Enrique Hernández

[SteppingRazor]

78. Why, we also think the UN needs drastic change...

Why do you think we sent Bolton? :crazy:

[bemildred]

79. Why, why, that radical firebrand militant leftist. Gasp. nt

[oasis]

80. Chavez will be interviewed by Ted Koppel tonight on ABC's "Nightline".

To continue his attack on Bushco.

[Say_What]

86. YAY!!!! I can hardly wait....

:bounce:

[Village Idiot]

81. God, I love this guy.

The UN will be a righteous organization the day they abolish veto power, and not one day before....

[hardrainfallin]

82. Chavez. My hero! n.t

[forintegrity]

83. The US needs a revolution, too

THROW THE CRIMINALS OUT ON THEIR ASSES!!!

[w13rd0]

84. Unfortunately the ®evolution we need...

...is unlikely to be inspired by persons domestic, nor will it be the result of the Proletariat rising up. Ingsoc has firm control of the masses. External pressures, changes that may take generations. Does Earth have that much time? For the continuity of the species, and all life on earth, things must change...we must evolve.

[Say_What]

88. Add to that a brainwashed and befuddled US public...

too busy trying to round up gas for their SUVs than pay attention to what's really happening in their own country or to learn the US history of death and destruction around the globe. Instead they think they live in a country who 'defends human rights' and 'speads democracy' when the exact opposite is true. :puke:

[Peace Patriot]

87. I'll bet this is when Bush passed that note to Condi--"I think I may need

a bathroom break? Is that possible?"--which Reuters got a photo of (on Yahoo yesterday; threads here).

Just before Chavez was to speak. I'll bettcha.

(Everybody was speculating on it--Bush having to ask Condi for a "bathroom break," and putting a question mark after it, like he didn't know if he had to go to the bathroom--and needing Condi's permission. So weird. I was wondering who the NEXT speaker was. Different days maybe. But fun to think about. Bush to Condi: "I don't wanna hear it! I don't wanna hear it! I don't wanna hear it! I think I may need a bathroom break? Is that possible? Do I HAVE to do this? Do I HAVE to? Can't we make up an excuse to get me outa here? Wa-a-a-a-a-a!").

[Blackwater]

89. Does anyone care what Chavez thinks?

After all, most people had never heard of the guy until the Robertson escapade.

[earth mom]

92. Hell Yeah we do! He cares about people unlike * and his rethugs!

:puke:

Why does that bother you? Hmmm?

[Blackwater]

99. I doesn't bother me

I've just never had much use for a fascist.

[Maple]

100. You've confused him with someone else

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4443727.stm

He's a former paratrooper, and an outspoken socialist.

[Matilda]

107. Democratically elected leader - unlike G W Bush.

n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

94. HAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! N/T

[Maple]

97. Most 'informed' people had

[Say_What]

102. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA--Brainwashed and Befuddled 'Murikans..

are about the only people on the planet that 'never heard of the guy'.
My, my 'muriKans are *so* in the dark about everything outside US borders. I guess ignorance is bliss.

:spank:

[Judi Lynn]

104. Enough of your "most people" have heard of him quite well enough to troll

here, pitching fits about the man and the respect he has generated all over the world, trying to "red bait" DU'ers on the subject.

We've already been visited by dozens of Freepers who attempt to label everyone here who appreciates his record as a "commie," a "dictator apologist," etc., etc. We've seen the lowest of the name-calling right-wing lunatic dregs available.

The literate world knows about Hugo Chavez, and the seething hatred the fascists in this country have for him. They're afraid he's going to keep them from butting into his country's internal affairs.

[SlipperySlope]

90. Let's do both!

Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US. Then everybody, including me, will be happy.

[Maple]

98. Why?

Because they don't go along with everything Bush says?

[Zorra]

91. Probably a good idea. n/t

[earth mom]

95. Love ya Chavez!

:loveya:

[GayCanuck]

96. The right wing

in the US would probably agree with him, unfortunately.

[Megahurtz]

103. He's Right.

It's not appropriate for the U.N. to come to the U.S. anymore under all of the circumstances.

[McCamy Taylor]

108. Good idea. Japan, Switzerland, New Zealand. Hong Kong, Mexico City

All these would be good choices for the UN.

Mexico City would be the cheapest to relocate but there is a severe crime problem there. Maybe build a special complex outside the city for the UN. Hong Kong would be realistic since world power is shifting to the orient. The first three are nice, non military places.

Canada would be an easy move but awfully cold for most delegates.