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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:22 AM
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Lawyer's firing came after call from Rove

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/nation/12667485.htm

Lawyer's firing came after call from Rove


AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove personally called the Texas secretary of state about a newspaper story quoting a staff lawyer about whether Rove was eligible to vote in the state.

The lawyer was subsequently fired.

Secretary of State Roger Williams said that he decided to dismiss the lawyer after talking with Rove but that the White House adviser didn't request that he do so.

...

"Karl called me. He had read the article and wanted to know if it was our stance" that his voter registration status in Texas might be in jeopardy, he said. "I told him it wasn't and that the person who gave that opinion was not authorized to do so."

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The call to Williams came at the height of the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe, the weekend after the storm struck. Rove was involved in the early White House response and subsequently has been a leader in the federal government's reconstruction effort.


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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:24 AM
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1. They should have
hung up on his sissy ass.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:32 AM
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2. Karl is all white light & he'll destroy you if you show him himself.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:38 AM
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3. The only "leadership" for
"reconstruction" Rove will be is to let the speculators steal land from the poor and change the beloved City of New Orleans forever.

Why is Rove not in jaiL??????????????? TRAITOR!
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TheStates Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:42 AM
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4. Hahahahaha its one of the funniest things I've read...
Oh Karl, whats the matter worried about getting caught for voter fraud?

I think its time to prosecute this guy. Anyone know a voting family in Kerr County Texas? He should have to go to court to defend his illegal voting deeds.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:02 AM
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20. Welcome to DU, TheStates!
:toast:

This one had me laughing a little too, in that sad bitter way I have been laughing lately...

I'll just keep hoping that all the Truth will come out. Someday. Someday...

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TheStates Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:52 PM
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33. Don't worry too much, megan....
Did you hear about Ohio? The lawsuits are getting a trial and Blackwell is going to be deposed before a Grand Jury and the court.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:54 PM
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34. KARL ROVE SHOULD BE SUED ! imho
I don't think you can just pick up the phone and wreck a person's career in this country. Reportedly Rove also did this with Valerie Plame's career.

As I recall they used to have this thing called tortious interference with one's employment contract, at least that's what I remember from "My Life In Court," or the like.

Part of this book was about how the attorney Louis Nizer sued for those blacklisting in the McCarthy era.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:18 AM
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45. Hahahaha
Except Elizabeth Reyes, the lawyer who was fired, isn't laughing.

How come whenever Karl Rove gets involved people end up fired, or indicted, or dead? Everyone but him, that is.

I'm not a lawyer, but it would appear to me that if you only own a rental property in state A, and you are living and paying federal and state taxes in state B, you are a legal resident of state B and NOT entitled to vote in state A. Rehire Elizabeth Reyes and revisit this incidence of potential voter fraud. I want to see his fat butt in jail!!
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:43 AM
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5. Laying in large supplies of garlic, stakes, and mirrors....
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 12:50 AM
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6. Apparently sufffering kidney stones in the same time frame
as well. He's a busy guy.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:16 PM
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36. I've had kidney stones.........
w-o-r-s-t p-a-i-n e-v-e-r. :hurts: However, I wish Karl many, many more and the sincere hope that he passes a 9mm stone in front of the press corps soon. It couldn't happen to a nicer fella'.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:50 AM
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7. rove's kidney stones, says ed shultz: "couldn't have happened to a
more deserving guy" (or something to that effect)
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crankybubba Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:27 AM
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9. I Love your avatar
and i agree on rove. (;))
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:24 AM
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8. What a bootlicker that guy is to fire her, yechh. nt
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:43 AM
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11. Williams desperately wants to be gov someday
I grew up in Texas, I know Williams, I worked for him. He's lining everything up, kissing the asses that need to be kissed, believe me.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:36 AM
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10. I'd like to know where they got this information...
"Rove was involved in the early White House response and subsequently has been a leader in the federal government's reconstruction effort."

It's the Dallas Morning News. The article asserts this as fact. I suspect that it is untrue and is planted information.

In my opinion, the ways that Bush got caught with his pants down in the newstream, in the first three or four (or more) days of Katrina, indicated that he was all alone, without his usual support system and with no spin machine. It was so noticeable that Rove appears to have issued a cover story, that he had been in the hospital with gall stones. Now the spin (re the lack of spin)--above--is that he was "involved in the early White House response," and then was "a leader" of the "reconstruction effort."

It was my theory that Rove was negotiating his Treasongate pardon, and was on strike when Bush was doing those insane photo ops with a guitar and with a cake, while a large chunk of the U.S. was getting blown off the map and thousands of Americans were dying. Then, after days of no spin, and extensive damage had been done to Bush's image, the spin machine abruptly started up again, and we got the "blame game" meme and Bush's first photo op re the hurricane.

It seemed like Bush's entire gang was AWOL--and he was hanging out there by himself "twisting slowly in the wind" (as I think John Erlichman said during Watergate). (Or was it John Dean? Can't recall.)

But Cheney was only pretending to be uninterested. He was said to be "gone fishing" in Wyoming--and seemed to have disappeared--but was quite active issuing orders to crews in Mississippi to work all night in dangerous conditions to restore power to a gas pipeline to send Texas gas through Mississippi and Louisiana to the NORTHEAST, rather than getting power to rural Mississippi hospitals, one of which was already on generators and the other threatened. (Local crews were surprised to find out--after working all night, thinking they were helping hurricane victims--that they had been restoring a gas pipeline; and local authorities seemed puzzled by this order from the V-P's office.)

But Cheney didn't crawl out of his rathole for a hurricane photo op until very, very late in the week--after the money train got going, with the first billions going to Halliburton. I figured he was blackmailing Bush with a threat to rat on him in Treasongate, that what he wanted was total control of LA--martial law, federalization, all power in the V-P's office--which is what prompted Bush to try to strongarm Blanco into giving up all control of her state, using the sick and dying poor as an extortion item--no martial law, no aid. (Blanco balked.) About that time, Daddy Bush and Clinton stood behind Bush Jr. in a somewhat weird press event--which I think might have been aimed at Cheney and perhaps Rove also. (--it's like they were saying, "We're siding with Bush Jr. in this.").

Rumsfeld wasn't really on vacation either--he was busy bombing the shit out of a village on the Syrian border (with Syria stating, a few days into this, that there was no border problem) (--all very ominous).

Don't know what Condi was really up to. But all of these people were noticeably NOT THERE for Bush Jr., as he floundered in the media.

I think the White House was in serious disarray during the first week of Katrina. And things have now settled down a bit, behind the scenes, perhaps only temporarily (--with some agreements about Treasongate and the Katrina loot.)

I think there may be a split between the indictable and the unindictable, and maybe between pro-Bush vs pro-Cheney factions.

As with everything Bush, it is probably smart to assume that there was a long term plan to profit from pain and suffering, by creating or exacerbating chaos--in this case, the 80% funding cut to flood prevention and disaster planning in New Orleans (a Democratic city), and the unconscionable delay in aid to the poor and the stranded. There was no incompetence involved whatsoever. The plan was to permit New Orleans to be ruined, and use it as the new cash cow for Halliburton and buds--with the Iraq war in disrepute, and questions arising about future war funding and the grand theft that has occurred there. (--and don't forget the play that Cindy Sheehan was getting, from the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, just before Katrina; they do not permit coverage of such things without a reason; I was thinking, at that time, that the war profiteers maybe couldn't squeeze much more out of Iraq and out of us, for Iraq, under Bush, and were laying the ground work for a War Democrat to be installed, to keep the war going).

But the Fitzgerald Grand Jury is something of a wild card in this situation--a profound threat to this regime that was lurking behind everything that happened over the last couple of weeks. When Bush was committing all those astonishing blunders, I thought, for a couple of days there, that the whole regime might be tumbling down. I considered that Bush was being actively sabotaged, and a Cheney coup was about to happen. Not until I thought about Treasongate did these events seem to fall into place--a divided White House, blackmail going on, presidential pardon negotiations, etc.

But it's like reading entrails, trying to figure out what's going on with this darkest of regimes.

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The light...

We need...

Paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level (--Canada does it in one day, although speed should not even be a consideration, just accuracy and verifiability)

or, at the least...

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% automatic recount, very strict security, and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code! (...jeez!).

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The will of the majority. The common good. The Enlightenment. The balance of power. Openness. Transparency. Progress. Positive leadership. Democracy. Peace. Justice. Lawfulness. And the avoidance of mass murder, egregious lying, massive looting and grave criminality in government--all depend upon honest elections.




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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:26 AM
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12. some very interesting insights here
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:32 AM
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13. yes I agree............. what is going on?
Maybe we will know more soon. Indite! Indite! Indite is what I want to hear.

KL
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:45 AM
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14. indict.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:11 AM
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15. You Give Me Shivers!
I go along with the descriptions. Love the image of Dubya twisting in the wind. It's the motivations that are still too obscure (other than feeding Halliburton). I eagerly (nay, desperately) await the grand jury. We need something to blow the whole game off the chess board.
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AbbyR Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:23 AM
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23. Interesting thoughts
I really wish we could get a dedicated investigative reporter or two on this. I'm betting the story is fascinating. No wonder they don't want a real independent investigation into this whole chaotic mess.

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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:55 AM
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26. "involved in the early White House response"
that means he sent dimson to play guitar, eat cake and try once again to "solve social security" instead of responding to the urgent pleas of the people in Corrina's path.

Wherever vampiric greed and hateful fear and loathing exists in our current government, you can bet your bottom dollar that Karl Rove was "involved in the early White House response." And subsequently he will be a leader in the federal government's re-destruction effort. And HE can take that to the bank.

As usual, your post is insightful and eloquent. Thanks for it.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:15 PM
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35. Every single one of your responses to a post, I find as much interest in,
if not more interest in, than the original post! I love your insight.
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bostonbabs Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:47 PM
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42. great post!!...n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:16 AM
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16. The time has indeed come for the media and the attorneys
to go after Karl Rove big time. He has survived way to long.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:23 AM
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17. we have NO media, only Rove-Co's personal Corporate Right
Wing Noise Machine.

We're screwed until we can break up the corporate media monopoly.

Damn! We're screwed! At least for the near future. Hunker down, and the garlic, crucifix, and holy water may not be such bad ideas to help stave off corporate fascism. Heil Halliburton, Lockheed and Blackwater!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:43 AM
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18. I'm afraid (really afraid) you're correct.
:evilfrown:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:04 AM
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21. Hold on to hope dear deutsey ...
It may seem (or actually take) forever, but in the end GOOD does triumph over EVIL. I'm not simplistic in my manner or my faith (I'm Franciscan - Catholic Type). However, there must be balance of energies in the worlds. Therefore, whether you find comfort in Paganism, Taoism, Christian, etc., the TRUTH will win after all is said and done.

Guess I feel the most sympathy for those who are atheists. Though I judge them not, right now, having hope based on faith is keeping me going through this seemingly Un-Godly time in American History.

Best wishes to all Liberals. However, for the short term face the facts: 1) the corporations have all the money; 2) the lion's share of political power; and, the most tragic, 3) the control of all three Branches of the American Government not to mention a accommodating lap-dog national media.

Yes, now more than ever is a time for faith, hope and goodwill toward all those we have the opportunity to interact with on a local level. Why? Because I've said many times, Nationally, liberal thinking is dead. This is the dawning of the "age of corporate rule."

May God have mercy on America. :cry: :hug:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:34 AM
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24. I agree, but, as King said, the arc of the moral universe is long
It may bend toward justice, but that doesn't mean we'll live to see that happen.

I think of the African American community after Reconstruction failed. A century is a long time to wait, and many who worked hard to see justice done didn't live to see what gains (however seemingly transient) were eventually made in the '50s and '60s.

More and more, I'm seeing myself as one of those who is trying to keep a little flame burning so that I can pass it on to the next generation...then, maybe, one fine morning after I'm dead and forgotten, that small flame I passed along will be a part of a new illumination.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:38 AM
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25. Why do I keep forgetting that fact? I'm the dumbest soul in Texas
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:59 AM
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19. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:50 AM
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22. There was an "early White House response?"
I didn't realize.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:15 AM
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27. Early WH response----"keep * the hell away from black people."
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:17 AM by McCamy Taylor
Rove knows how to court the Right Wing base, and he wouldnt want to give the KKK and white supremist voting block the impression that * has any sympathies with african-americans of the types who were drowing in NOLA.

THAT is how Karl Rove thinks, and I suspect that Turd Blossom is now in the Dog House for his not so sage advice. *'s complete about face, including references to poverty and racism in his recent speech indicates that SOMEONE ELSE is now advising him. (I am putting my money on Bill Clinton).

Moral: Karl Rove aint as smart as he thinks he is. Any two bit southern politician could have played this hurrican for votes.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:22 AM
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28. Let's do the math.
If Rove can arrange to have one person fired for asking a question about his ethics...
:WTF: can he do if 70,000 DU'ers and sympathizers went on record asking the same thing? How about the 48,000,000 that didn't vote for his boss?
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janetle Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:28 PM
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29. This was in one of my Seattle papers a few days ago
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 01:38 PM
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30. we'll remember Katrina this way: What's Bush's latest take on Roe v. Wade?
Bush didn't give a shit how Blacks got out of New Orleans.

end of story.

rove, now a leader in the federal government's reconstruction effort?

who puts the great destructor in charge of any kind of "reconstruction?"

only a truly sick mind would choose rove.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:26 PM
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31. I read he has kidney stones
I hope he stays in agony for days and that the stones are the size of marbles.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 02:57 PM
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32. Do they make them any bigger?
Because golfball or softball size would make me VERY happy.

FSC
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:27 PM
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37. LOL I stand corrected n/t
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:41 AM
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46. And I hope they're all jagged.
Lots of sharp bits. :)
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:17 PM
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38. Funny how Rove and Cheney have suddenly become 'sick'
Are they going to be indicted?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:25 PM
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39. There are more gutless cowards in Texas than I thought. eom
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:01 PM
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40. A wrongful termination action waiting to happen.
At minimum it'll expose the venom of KKKarl and the obsequiousness of the Texas Secretary of State. I'd do it if I were sacked for that without a doubt. Big $$$ no whammies!

Gyre
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:23 PM
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41. Rove gets a LAWYER fired
oh man...this one should hang around like a...turd blossom.

didn't Karl ever hear you don't screw with lawyers?
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:03 AM
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43. Yeah, I learned my lesson dating one.
Biggest fucking sociopath I ever met.

:eyes:
FSC
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:47 AM
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44. There goes the Hispanic Vote! n/t
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