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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:01 PM
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Coast Guard Questions Big Easy Timeline
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5285407,00.html

Coast Guard Questions Big Easy Timeline


Saturday September 17, 2005 8:31 PM

AP Photo NY110

By BRETT MARTEL

Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - The mayor of New Orleans has set up an "extremely
problematic" timeline for allowing residents to return to the
evacuated city, which is still threatened by a weakened levee system,
a lack of drinkable water and heavily polluted floodwaters, the head
of the federal relief effort said Saturday.

Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen said federal officials have worked
with Mayor Ray Nagin and support his vision for repopulating the city,
but he called Nagin's idea to return up to 180,000 people to New
Orleans in the next week both "extremely ambitious" and "extremely
problematic."

"Our intention is to work with the mayor ... in a very frank, open and
unvarnished manner," Allen told The Associated Press in an interview
at Department of Homeland Security headquarters in Baton Rouge.

Nagin has announced that the city's Algiers section, the Garden
District and the French Quarter would reopen over the next week and
a half, bringing back more than one-third of the city's half-million
inhabitants.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:07 PM
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1. So hard not to rush back to normalcy. So hard. n/t
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:34 PM
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6. I was listening to WWL last night
(a New Orleans radio station broadcasting from temporary quarters in Baton Rouge) and heard Mr. Broussard, the President of Jefferson Parish. He was saying, "Forget about the timeline we set. Come home. Come home."

Consciously or not, I think Nagin and Broussard want the people of the area, not BushCo, to get started on rebuilding.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:43 PM
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18. There will be huge insurance problems, especially NO coverage
re: the flood. I heard that in NOLA only about 5% of the people had flood coverage. People won't have money to rebuild. I bet a lot of people will never even go back to check their houses because they already know that sitting under water for weeks does the house in. Nothing at all to save in the houses. No money to get to the houses. What a mess.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:20 PM
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2. my God, can you imagine the drinking water problems alone? ack, who'd
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 03:20 PM by truthisfreedom
want to go back there before they flush the entire system and crank up the chlorine machine?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:17 PM
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9. Gallon jug + chlorine bleach + eyedropper = potable water
Are we such incompetent, witless boobs that we can no longer even treat our own water??? This is BASIC common sense.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:19 PM
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10. Chlorine will get rid of most bacteria but not chemicals.
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 05:19 PM by Massacure
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Waistdeep Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:04 PM
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16. Treating water is easy --- not really
Bleach is only useful if you are worried about biological contamination. It gives you drinkable water only if somebody has already removed the heavy metals and nasty hydrocarbons like PCBs from the water. You can remove the heavy metals with precipitation or ion exchange and the hydrocarbons with activated carbon filters, but it's not exactly "common sense" to most people unless they've had a bit of chemistry.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:36 PM
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17. We are talking about tap water in NOLA that has potential bacterial
contamination due to ruptures in the system, but is otherwise ok. I am not referring in any way to the toxic soup in the streets. That would require filtration, boiling, filtration, reverse osmosis, carbon filtration, chlorine, more filtration, and then disposal down the drain to make me happy. No way I would EVER drink the runoff.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:32 PM
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13. That is what they are doing, section by section
Once they get the floodwater out then they backwash the water lines. Not that I would trust the water yet anyway, but New Orleans already had some of the worst water in the country. So is there going to be a big difference?

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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:21 PM
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3. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
City is bankrupt...needs those tourist tax dollars!
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pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:05 PM
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7. Surely we understand the economic hardships for the City,
but, ye gads, don't subject innocent, healthy, people into a contaminated area just in the name of commerce. Come on, Mayor, do your duty. Come on Gov, do your duty. Come on Prez, oh well..
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:12 PM
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8.  stay away?
Don't come home, stay in that motel room 100's of miles from your home?

Hell, they'd have a hard time keeping me away from my home. I can make the decision to go back and leave again, or stay, I don't need some government bureaucrat telling me what to do. Hell, they let the place flood and now they want to keep me out? No way.
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pushycat Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 06:41 PM
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23. You move me to respond with the only good reason I can think
of to stay away. Many of the rescue heroes from 9/11 are now either dead or dying from disease because they went into a contaminated area to help save lives. Your life is as important as theirs - check all the facts before you believe our gov agency's created to protect our health.

http://www.airamericaradio.com/ringoffire/

A senior EPA official says people should stay out now..

The loss of your home is obviously significant, but immeasurably less so than your health.
good luck
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:30 PM
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4. the coast guard is fighting for it`s life
and it`s going to be interesting who is going to win
the dept of homeland insecurity or the navy
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 03:33 PM
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5. The CG is now under the DHS since Dimson
made it so.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:05 PM
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11. The Coast Guard seemed to me to be the only competent ones
They had the right tools and were there way quicker than anyone else. Also, is it just my impression or do they seem to have less bureaucracy than other branches of military? At the very least the Coast Guard is still here mostly and not over there.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:22 PM
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12. The CG is the smallest branch of the forces, though
prior to being incorporated into HLS they were housed under Dept. of Transportation. So yes, lots less bureaucracy there. And only a few have been sent to Iraq so far; some also were sent to VN back in the day. The CG has air and boat stations up and down the coast (as well as inland) so they were relatively easy to scramble. I love my Coasties!
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:35 PM
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14. The images of rescues at sea in The Perfect Storm were amazing
I am way too wimpy to be Coast Guard, those people are so brave,
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:52 PM
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15. I agree! And they did an outstanding job this month! Just do it,
let everyone else complain and cast blame.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:55 PM
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19. The Coast Guard was saving people
while Bush & Homeland Security were still on vacation. They seemed to be the only branch of the federal government who reacted quickly.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:10 AM
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21. "They seemed to be the only branch...
..of the federal government who reacted quickly".

Agreed!
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lithiumbomb Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:02 AM
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20. tax revenue?
Note that NO is out of cash. I bet they want the business district and some residents back to get some sales tax revenue flowing in.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:49 AM
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22. Makes sense plus
some tourists prob want to go and have a gawp around while NO is still in post-apocalyptic frontier town mode.
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