As Washington opens spigots for Katrina relief, protests mount

[Judi Lynn]

As Washington opens spigots for Katrina relief, protests mount

September 18, 2005, 10:18 gmt


A volunteer collects money for the ASU-LSU Bush-Clinton Katrina Hurricane Relief Fund
© AFP/File Robert Laberge
WASHINGTON, (AFP) - With unprecedented amounts of federal aid being allocated for relief and reconstruction following Hurricane Katrina, a growing number of critics are saying the government may be going too far.

With unprecedented amounts of federal aid being allocated for relief and reconstruction following Hurricane Katrina, a growing number of critics are saying the government may be going too far.
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Representative Mike Pence, a conservative Republican from Indiana who was among the few to vote against the big relief package, argued that the massive aid program is risky for the government.

"Katrina breaks my heart," he said. "But as we tend to the wounded, as we begin to rebuild, let us also do what every other American family would do in like circumstances and expects this Congress to do: Let's figure out how we are going to pay for it. Congress must ensure that a catastrophe of nature does not become a catastrophe of debt for our children and grandchildren."
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http://www.bakutoday.net/afps/english/shared/int/050918081845.ci1rbbls.html



Rep. Mike Pence

[Ice4Clark]

1. What about Iraq? Should not the same rules of expenditure

apply to that as well? Just how much do newborns owe Uncle Sam? I can't remember the figure, but now add to that the cost of his irresponsible plan for Katrina..........what ever it takes he (W) says, what ever it costs, etc..........

[cliss]

12. No....that's a different deal.

It's called "investment". The repubs INVESTED in Iraq. They knew that would be money well spent.

But the Gulf states? Well,

[bigbrother05]

17. This arrogant ass

Federal spending, what about all the billions of dollars that was given to ** after 9/11. These representatives are now concerned about the debt. They are just now going to do a investigation on the spending and handling of the 9/11 funding. How thick do they think we are? It's time congress starts earning their pay, instead of going to lunch with lobbyist. How far do they go? I am pissed and ranting. Sorry. I,m sick of these repugs testing the water, at our expense. What a worthless piece to even write about, just trying to get headlines.

[Why Syzygy]

2. We have a clue now?

Figure out how to pay for it? That's a good idea.
Someone put the bug in Gwb's ear. Pay as you go, instead of cash out at the end.

[FlemingsGhost]

3. *Now* he's worried about "a catastrophe of debt"?

How are we going to pay for the war, Mike?

[bluestateguy]

4. I'm not much interested in "cutting spending" per se

I very much live in a 1965 world. It's a big country with a lot of people and a lot of problems. Government must spend money, a shitload of it, in fact, to solve those problems.

I do know of one piggy bank that can be broken open though: bring all troops home from Iraq and tell Jaleel Taliban Whateverthefuck his name is not to bother us anymore.

[0007]

7. Better yet! Put Ahmad Chalabi in charge of Iraq and bring

the troops today. Tell Chalabi he can have the fourteen military installations.



Chalabi is an extremely wealthy man. Let him use his money for Iraq.

Of course Chalabi would be gone in a NY second, after we left.

[xxqqqzme]

5. yoohoo - Mike?

don't look now but that 'catastrophe of debt'.....it's heeerrrre.

[BootinUp]

6. We're gonna pay for it by taxing you and your constituents

You greed enabling bastard.

[freeplessinseattle]

8. let me guess-he has always fully supported throwing $ at Iraq

if it involves killing people rather than helping them it's A-OK

[cassiepriam]

9. It is the Iraqi strategy....

bomb a place back to the stone ages, and then rebuild it to state of the art levels (remember the post war iraqi plans for universal health care? etc) ..... we get to pay to destroy a place then we pay to rebuild it... all money going to Halliburton and friends....

[seemslikeadream]

10. 1/05 Flood experts warn Dennis Hastert FEMA to FAIL in FLOOD

1/05 Flood experts warn Dennis Hastert FEMA to FAIL in FLOOD
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BREAKING NEWS:
FLOOD EXPERTS WARNED SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE DENNIS HASTERT(R)THAT FEMA WOULD FAIL IN FLOOD DISASTER WHILE UNDER DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

I just found a January 2005 smoking gun letter from flood experts known as the Association of State Floodplain Managers written to Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert warning that FEMA had been dangerously weakened by being made part of the Department of Homeland Security.

Other warnings go back to September 2003 and include Congressional subcommittees!

www.floods.org

"Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation."

"The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others."

www.floods.org/PDF/ASFPM_...inDHS_H...

The letter reminds Hastert(R) that the General Accounting Office had warned that FEMA would be weakened under DHS back in September, 2003.

The letter also reminds Hastert that the House Judiciary Committee and House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had agreed with the importance of FEMA staying independent of DHS to remain effective and recommended FEMA therefore be kept out of DHS.

The ASFPM letter describes exactly how FEMA was dismantled and buried under DHS:

"Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds."

"If FEMA is pulled apart, doesn’t have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught."

THIS MEANS THAT THE GOP 'LEADERSHIP' IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MUCH OF THE LACK OF DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND LOSS OF LIFE DUE TO STORM KATRINA BECAUSE THEY TOOK APART FEMA AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO WARNINGS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.

TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
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(full transcript of letter to Dennis Hastert from pdf file at above url)


ASSOCIATION OF STATE FLOODPLAIN MANAGERS, INC.
2809 Fish Hatchery Road Madison, Wisconsin 53713
Ph: 608-274-0123
Fax: [phone]
Website: www.floods.org
Email: [e-mail]

Dedicated to reducing flood losses in the nation.

Chair
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Supervisor
Ohio DNR - Division Of Water
1939 Fountain Square, Bldg. E-3
Columbus, OH 43224
614-265-6715
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Vice Chair
Pam Pogue, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Rhode Isl. Emerg Mgmt Agency
645 New London Ave.
Cranston, RI 02920
401-946-9996
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Secretary
Rhonda Montgomery, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
Kansas Dept. of Ag.- DWR
109 SW 9 th St., 2 nd Floor
Topeka, KS 66612
785-296-4622
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Treasurer
William Nechamen, CFM
NFIP State Coordinator
New York State DEC
625 Broadway, 4th Floor
Albany, NY 12233
518-402-8146
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Executive Director
Larry A. Larson, P.E., CFM
Executive Director
2809 Fish Hatchery Road
Madison, WI 53713
608-274-0123
Fax [phone]
[e-mail]


January 6, 2005
The Honorable Dennis Hastert, Speaker
United States House of Representatives
H 232 Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

RE: House Reorganization of Authorizing Committees involving FEMA programs
Dear Mr. Speaker:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is one of the 22 departments and
agencies that were combined to create the Department of Homeland Security (DHS),
where the primary mission is to protect the nation against terrorism. The effectiveness of
FEMA's all hazards programs is increasingly threatened with regard to natural disasters.

As you are well aware, the Congress is in the process of reorganizing itself to better
consider homeland security issues. The Department of Homeland Security is now 2 years
old. As the organization of the DHS itself and Congressional reorganization are
considered, the Association of State Floodplain Managers (ASFPM) urges you to make
sure that natural hazards programs retain their integrity and, therefore, their effectiveness.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers is an organization of nearly 7,000
professionals involved in floodplain management, flood hazard mitigation, the National
Flood Insurance Program, flood preparedness, warning and recovery and the multi-objective
management of our nation's floodplains and waterways. ASFPM is a respected
voice in floodplain management practice and policy in the United States. It represents the
flood hazard specialists of local, state and federal government, the private sector, the
research community, the insurance industry, and the professional disciplines of
engineering, planning, hydrologic forecasting, emergency response, water resources, and
others.

FEMA, since its creation, had matured into an organization that became recognized for
effectiveness in carrying out its mission – preparing for, responding to, recovering from,
and mitigating against all hazards. Natural disasters are the most frequent and,
cumulatively, most costly disasters, including terrorist events. FEMA had established a
reputation for nimble responsiveness. This was closely related to the agency's capacity for
flexibility and especially well coordinated, genuine give-and-take partnerships with states
and localities. In addition to supporting responsiveness, these factors also allowed FEMA
to develop well conceived programs promoting hazard mitigation. Such programs sought
to permanently break the cycle, after a disaster event, of damage/rebuild/damage since
much of the recovery and repair costs were borne by taxpayers. After the terrorist attacks
on September 11 th and FEMA’s inclusion into the Department of Homeland Security, this
began to change.

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The ASFPM has been concerned from the beginning that inclusion of FEMA in DHS
might not bode well for the progress the nation has made in reducing the nation’s risk to
natural hazards. We fully recognize the need for our national emphasis on terrorism;
however, the effectiveness of natural hazards programs and the all-hazards concept must
not be sacrificed in the process. Due to the sheer number magnitude of impact of natural
disasters, FEMA's work is more heavily focused on these events.

The ASFPM is not the only organization that has these concerns. The General Accounting
Office, in its September 2003 report, said the following:
Moreover, the placement of FEMA within DHS represents a substantially changed
environment in which FEMA will conduct its missions in the future, and missions
that focus on reducing the impacts of natural hazards, such as hazard mitigation
and flood insurance, may receive decreased emphasis. Sustained attention to
these programs will be needed to ensure they maintain or improve their
effectiveness in protecting the nation against, and reducing federal costs
associated with, natural disasters.

It should not be surprising that there is concern about FEMA’s organizational structure or
its loss of focus on a multi-hazard mission – it is merely a continuation of the debate that
began in Congress when DHS was created. The House Judiciary Committee and the
House Transportation and Infrastructure Committees had misgivings about the inclusion
of FEMA in DHS and both recommended that FEMA remain an independent agency to
preserve the traditional mission of FEMA. Also, a Brookings Institution analysis in 2002
raised concern that much of the progress FEMA has made over two decades could be
reversed.

Since FEMA has become part of the Department of Homeland Security, it has been a
struggle. Funds have been raided, staff have been transferred into other DHS functions
without being replaced, slowdowns because of added layers of bureaucracy for nearly all
functions have dramatically increased, and there is the constant threat of reprogramming
appropriated funds. Strongly felt worries about such matters led the ASFPM Board of
Directors, in August 2004, to pass a resolution recognizing FEMA’s accomplishments and
its challenges. The resolution calls for FEMA to be removed from the Department of
Homeland Security and for its ability to report directly to the President to be restored.
The Board, made up of state and local officials, felt strongly that FEMA doesn’t have to
be part of a larger agency to share its expertise and utilize its network of state and local
officials for all hazards management. If FEMA is pulled apart, doesn’t have a direct link
to the President, and cannot communicate effectively with Congress, all of the progress
made over the last 15 years could be for naught.

The Association of State Floodplain Managers recommends that
1) Congressional
reorganization for homeland security reflect attention to the importance of natural disaster
programs and policies and that
2) the Congress undertake an evaluation of the structure of
DHS and FEMA as it affects retention of an effective capacity for natural hazards
response and mitigation programs.
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Page Three

Natural disasters impact Americans every single day. In 2004, 35 states had Presidentially
declared disasters – all as a result of natural hazards. Please do not allow the agency that
is in the forefront of dealing with these hazards to be made less effective or pulled apart
altogether. Please make certain that the Congressional structure reflects appropriate
attention to the frequency and the magnitude of impact of natural disasters. If you have
any questions or comments, do not hesitate to contact Larry Larson, ASFPM Executive
Director, or myself.

Respectfully,
Chad Berginnis, CFM
Chair

from my friend JohnOneillsMemory

[fearnobush]

11. Lets tax this member of the Scumbag party.

<>

[VegasWolf]

13. All I have to say is that it is a damn good thing that New Orleans port

is critical to the OIL infrastructure of the US. Otherwise, it might not get any attention from this administration.

[Eugene]

14. House GOP Seeks to Offset Katrina Spending

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5286704,00.html

House GOP Seeks to Offset Katrina Spending


Sunday September 18, 2005 6:31 PM

AP Photo LAWH120

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL

Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans are looking at delaying some
federal spending, including money for a prescription drug benefit
under Medicare and thousands of highway projects, to offset the cost
of rebuilding the Gulf Coast, a leading GOP fiscal conservative said
Sunday.

Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., said there is a need for dramatic spending
cuts in "big-ticket items."

However, Democrats appearing on Sunday news programs questioned how
President Bush can trim the budget to pay for Katrina recovery and
support tax cuts for the wealthy.

"Where is he going to find roughly half a trillion dollars over the
next several years for Iraq and for Katrina?" Sen. Joseph Biden,
D-Del., asked on "Late Edition" on CNN. "I think we're not
leveling with the American people."

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more...

[ret5hd]

15. hey, House Repubs! I got an idea! One big ticket item: "Oil War II"

[mbperrin]

16. Hmmmm.....interesting idea......kill foreigners or help our own....

how to choose? how to choose?

:crazy: