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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:27 PM
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U.S. dollar surges on uncertainty in Europe
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=eb03072ab13680ca

Big News Network.com Sunday 18th September, 2005

The U.S. dollar gained in Asian trading Monday as Germany faced a hung parliament following weekend elections.

The euro plummeted to a low of 1.2144 against the dollar before steadying at 1.2160. It dipped against a sliding yen to 135.68 by mid-morning, and fell to .6747 versus the pound
more...

Is the Euro dying???
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:30 PM
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1. You know, it used to be below the dollar...
"dying" is a bit strong a word.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:41 PM
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7. It still is below the dollar, I think.
Unless my math is wrong. Agree with your basic point, though.

:freak:

-Laelth
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:56 PM
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14. It costs $1.22 US to buy 1 euro...
.. used to cost .82 US to buy 1 euro.

Travel in europe is tough for us cheapscrews. A lunch for two with no wine in Paris would be about $50.

I'm looking for the euro to go to $1.40 by spring and if any of the threats to start buying oil in euros comes true..... the sky is the limit for the euro and the dollar will tank.... especially with the deficit growing like cancer.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:59 AM
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21. I stand corrected.
Here's what the currency converter says this morning:

1.00 USD = 0.823351 EUR

Wow! It had been a while since I had checked. Thanks for the update.

-Laelth
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:57 AM
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25. The New Year after the Euro took over the DM, it was about $1 = 1.10 eu
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demobrit Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:25 AM
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19. weaker euro
Will make US goods less competetive in Euro Zone , make Euro Zone goods cheaper in US .
Will, more import tariffs be imposed on Euro Zone. ie Steel
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:31 PM
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2. Don't assume a lower Euro is bad for them.
A high Euro has been a problem for their export industries.

...just be patient and wait for the money-shufflers to sort it out, though. Spikes like this are usually driven by sheer hype and things flatten back out later.

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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 01:57 AM
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20. I've got to agree
As one who has been affected by yen-dollar exchange rates for more than 2 decades, I've got to suspect that the "money-shufflers" (otherwise known as currency manipulators) are taking advantage of the mountain that is being made of this molehill. I saw it happen all the time with the yen versus the dollar. When the yen reached its peak of 78 per dollar back in the mid-90's, the pundits were asking "Is the dollar dead?" Four years later, when the yen had lost half of its peak value against the dollar, they were digging the yen's grave.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:32 PM
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3. Dying? (nt)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:32 PM
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4. Just a way to make money
on the transaction. Germany isn't going anywhere, and the Euro is doing just fine.

All it requires is either a coalition or another election.

Jeebus, everything's thought to be an Armageddon anymore
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:25 AM
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15. I agree...
This is a buying power by the money especulators....taking advantage of the elections in Germany
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:35 PM
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5. Euro dying? LOL with a big H. In Bush's and the Neocons dream
land.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:39 PM
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6. so you all say the Euro is fine and Europe supports the Euro
Let me remind you all as a currency the Euro is a baby!!! Majorly supported by Germany and it looks like that country is divided!!! One of the issues is the European Union... of which nobody has ratified a constitution!!!

Dying can be slow or fast just subjective!!!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:53 PM
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8. The Euro is fine
Likely to be the world's reserve currency in fact
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:54 PM
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9. the Euro is also propping up a lot of economies under it
and they are based on not a whole hell of a lot.

You are right - the Euro is "new". It's history is yet to be known.

I believe it is overvalued and will drop back down to a lower level. Many countries are under the Euro now and not all of them love it exactly.

:kick:

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:59 PM
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11. Thank you Count for understanding my point!!! Its a baby
if we look at currency like the dollar yen and swiss franc.

This is a currency whose major supporter is Germany and this election has made things a bit cloudy!!!

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:03 PM
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13. Wishful thinking
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:31 PM
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26. yes the whole world is "cloudy" as you put it
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 07:37 PM by CountAllVotes
at best.

And yes, I agree, with Germany being the strongest supporter of the Euro, I can see that it could devalue significantly in the future, as that is the way currencies tend to work. They change, and they change constantly. Not all is well in the UK, so the USA is not alone whether anyone cares to admit this or not.

I'm not expecting a massive dollar rally or anything like that, but I do believe that the Euro is overvalued. Today's performance is just one day in many more to come.

:kick:
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 09:57 PM
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10. The repubs are trying very hard to destroy the dollar. Next up will be
the Euro.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:00 PM
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12. would either Schoeder or Merkel denounce the Euro?
I would think that a bit of momentary uncertainly would not necessarily equate with "dying" in this instance.

I believe that it would have more to do with the forex markets - the yen is on a 3 day holiday - no movement there really - the dollar is waiting for Tuesday's rate announcement.

more like a "holding pattern" with the bettors all hedging (jmho)
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strizi64 Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:44 AM
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16. misleading headline
"Euro drops on uncertainty in Germany" would be correct. Ths $$$ does absolutly nothing against the Japanese Yen and is actualy loosing ground vs. Swiss Franc and Gold.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:50 AM
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17. Corporations will be happy. Fewer American jobs will result.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 12:55 AM
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18. Hanging chads
and the subsequent appointment didn't affect the American economy.

Bush's later actions did, but that's another subject.

An election in one EU country, and not an unusual result I might add, won't affect anything either
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:00 AM
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22. Quick glimpse of nuanced comments re petroeuros...
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 10:02 AM by Petrodollar Warfare
Chapter V
Dollar Dilemma: Why Petrodollar Hegemony Is Unsustainable



‘In the future the euro is (going to be) taking a place in the international markets in general as the money of exchange.’ Asked if a switch to pricing oil in euros was possible, ‘Of course, in the oil market and in any market. It’s a stable and a strong currency, the role of the euro is going to be increased step by step. It’s normal.’
– Loyola de Palacio, European Energy Commissioner, June 16, 2003

I don’t see any particular merit in that for the average oil producing country. It really is question of which currency (oil producers) feel most comfortable with over the long run — and the dollar’s always won out.
– Guy Caruso, director of the U.S. Energy Information Admintration, June 17, 2003

OPEC Secretary General Alvaro Silva said the oil producers' cartel is considering trading oil in euros or a basket of currencies other than the dollar to compensate for the decline in the value of the greenback. ‘There is talk of trading crude in euros -- it is one of the alternatives,’ Silva told.
– OPEC Secretary Gerneral Alvaro Silva, December 9, 2003

....meanwhile, Russia is preparing for a transition to petroeuros...

In mid October 2003, after meeting with German Chancellor Schroeder, Russian President Putin mentioned that Russian oil sales could be redenominated in euros.

‘We do not rule out that it is possible. That would be interesting for our European partners,’ Putin said.

A move by Russia, as the world’s second largest oil exporter, to trade oil in euros, could provoke a chain reaction among other oil producers currently mulling a switch and would further boost the euro’s gradually growing share of global currency reserves.


...Here's some important info from 2002 (please note 2 of the criteria re an OPEC switch to petroeuros have since transpired)...


'The question that comes to mind is whether the euro will establish itself in world financial markets, thus challenging the supremacy of the US dollar, and consequently trigger a change in the dollar's dominance in oil markets. As we all know, the mighty dollar has reigned supreme since 1945.

… Having said that … in the long run the euro is not at such a disadvantage versus the dollar when one compares the relative sizes of the economies involved, especially given the EU enlargement plans. Moreover, the Euro-zone has a bigger share of global trade than the US and while the US has a huge current account deficit, the euro area has a more, or balanced, external accounts position … looking at the statistics of crude oil exports, one notes that the Euro-zone is an even larger importer of oil and petroleum products than the US.

From the EU’s point of view, it is clear that Europe would prefer to see payments for oil shift from the dollar to the euro, which effectively removed the currency risk.

… There is also very strong trade links between OPEC Member Countries (MCs) and the Euro-zone, with more than 45 percent of total merchandise imports of OPEC MCs coming from the countries of the Euro-zone.… Of major importance to the ultimate success of the euro, in terms of the oil pricing, will be if Europe’s two major oil producers —– the United Kingdom and Norway join the single currency .… This might create a momentum to shift the oil pricing system to euros.

In the short-term, OPEC MCs, with possibly a few exceptions, are expected to continue to accept payment in dollars …. In the long-term, perhaps one question that comes to mind is could a dual system operate simultaneously? Could one pricing system apply to the Western Hemisphere in dollars and for the rest of the world in euros? …. Should the euro challenge the dollar in strength, which essentially could include it in the denomination of the oil bill, it could be that a system may emerge which benefits more countries in the long-term .... Time may be on your side."

– Javad Yarjani, Head of OPEC’s Petroleum Market Analysis Department, in a speech to Spanish officials, April 2002


...and here's the recent data from the BIS....

Oil exporters have sharply reduced their exposure to the dollar over the past three years, according to data from the Bank for International Settlements. Members of have cut the proportion of deposits held in dollars from 75 per cent in the third quarter of 2001 to 61.5 percent .

Middle Eastern central banks have reportedly switched reserves from dollars to euros and sterling to avoid incurring losses as the dollar has fallen and prepare for a shift away from pricing oil exports in dollars alone.
– Steve Johnson and Javier Blas, Financial Times, December 2004

In January 2005, an article on a Middle East Finance and Economy website was succinctly entitled, “Saudi Sees Stronger Euro Role.” This one-paragraph story hinted that Saudi Arabia’s central bank expects the euro to <[b>“play a greater role in currency reserves in the future.” In somewhat cryptic language, it reported that Hamad Saud Al Sayyari, the governor of the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency, implied it did not matter which currency oil is priced in, but he wanted stability in prices.

If true, this nuanced statement may confirm an active discussion within Saudi Arabia regarding a potential switch to a petroeuro...

Bottomline: Neither OPEC or Russia cares one iota about domestic EU politics re a common Constitution, and that mommemtum towards a petroeuro continues unabated, as do the massive US budget and trade deficits...My guess is that by 2010 some formal accord will have transpired...

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:45 AM
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23. As much as the US dollar was dying when IT was plummeting. (nt)
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:59 AM
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24. The euro plummeted ???
Plu-eeze! Months ago when there was this alleged surge in the dollar, the forecasters were saying the euro would drop to 1.14 against the dollar. Never happened. Won't happen, because we've not tightened up on the fundamentals. For the past months the euro has remained within 1.21 - 1.24 with no breakout for the dollar.

For what it's worth, the euro has many problems also, and so the dollar is not alone, but it is worse off.

Gold and precious metals do appear to be breaking out, and that does not bode well for reading the health of the dollar.

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:41 PM
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27. Cyclical swing
Who's really surprised, except those who don't read history? Strong dollar, weak dollar, strong dollar, weak dollar....

Summer, winter, summer, winter....

Peace.
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