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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:42 PM
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Police forcibly break up Cindy Sheehan rally
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/57261.html

Police forcibly break up Cindy Sheehan rally


By Pete Dolack

The New York City Police Department forcibly broke up this afternoon's rally for Cindy Sheehan, moving in as Cindy was speaking at about 3 p.m. in Union Square.

Keywords: Government, War & Peace, Local, Activism,

The New York City Police Department forcibly broke up this afternoon's rally for Cindy Sheehan, moving in as Cindy was speaking at about 3 p.m. in Union Square. The rally had been underway for about an hour, and was about to conclude as Cindy spoke following several other speakers, including a few who are traveling with her on her caravan.

As Cindy was speaking, a large platoon of police massed behind from the interior of the park, then formed a circle behind her, the speakers' area and a few dozen people who were deployed in an arc behind her. Overall, about 200 people were in attendance, with the crowd steadily increasing in size as the rally progressed. As the police formed their arc just behind, the men and women immediately behind Cindy linked arms. A captain made a cutting motion at his throat, signalling he wanted no more free speech. He waited about 30 seconds, then the police moved in. They didn't dare arrest Cindy, but they immediately moved in and grabbed zool, the event's organizer and one of the main organizers of Camp Casey-NYC, pulling him away and arresting him. I do not believe anyone else was arrested; at least I didn't see any other arrests. I was nearby, and there was no hesitation on the part of the police in specifically targetting zool.

The police also took the microphone and sound system. The crowd shouted "Shame! Shame!" at the police and asked what they were so afrraid of, but made no response. There was a moderate press presence, even a bit of corporate media there, although the only television crew covering the rally was RTV from Russia.

No warning of any kind was given, and this was a permitted rally. Other than the captain making his cut motion, 30 seconds before forcibly breaking up the rally, there was no warning, verbal or in any other fashion. The police had massed perhaps three or four minutes before moving in. Until then, the rally had gone smoothly, starting just after 2 p.m. as scheduled. Cindy and the rest of the caravan arrived sometime after 2:30; the rest of the rally was comprised of speakers from the caravan. Many groups were in attendence besides Camp Casey-NYC, including Military Families Speak Out, Gold Star Families for Peace, the Troops Out Now Coalition, the No Police State Coalition and the Green Party, among others.

As several people confronted the police in the minutes following the arrest of zool and the stealing of the sound equipment, a woman from the caravan said they had done more than 100 events in 51 cities, and nothing like this had ever happened to them. There is no free speech in Crawford, Texas -- Camp Casey has been under attack there -- and there is no free speech in New York City. The police have attacked Camp Casey-NYC on at least two previous Mondays, have taken the camps's tents, confiscated banners and made arrests. This is merely the latest example of Bloomberg's contempt for opinions that challenge the authorities, particularly Republican Party authorities. And where are our supposed policital leaders? Nothing but silence.

Free zool now!
Defend free speech in New York City!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:45 PM
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1. And sadly, Bloomberg will win again. Our new candidate is a loser.
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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:56 PM
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13. If anyone took a photo of the captain making the cutting motion
across his neck and combined it with cops arresting Cindy and a nice photo of a smiling Mayor Bloomberg--and if lots and lots of signs and posters of said photo montage were posted throughout the city--Ferrer would have a great issue handed to him and a chance to redeem his Amadou Diallo remark once and for all.

It ain't over till it's over. Osama hasn't voted for Bloomberg this year, at least not yet.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:45 PM
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49. Great idea
That boring, dipshit Ferrer needs somethin'!
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:46 PM
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2. I wonder how long it will take for the Freepers
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 03:46 PM by FVZA_Colonel
to start "zotting" in their pants over this?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:47 PM
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3. permits?
that's the only reason i can think of - they didn't have the "proper permits" to exercise a fundamental civil right.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:50 PM
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5. The article says it was permitted. n/t
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:56 PM
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11. There seems to be some debate on that point.
Keep in mind that this source is Indymedia, so it could have been written by a 15 year old kid, or a seasoned reporter...no way to know how factual it is. I've seen first hand how Indymedia "reporters" can twist facts (they spin and lie just as hard as CNN), so take that claim with adose of salt. Other posts on this subject have the police saying that there are no permits. Whether or not they do should be resolved pretty quickly...someone should have a copy of it if it was pulled properly.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:00 PM
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19. Yeah, dailykos narrative seems to say no permit. n/t
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:25 PM
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34. NYC apparently refused to GIVE a permit
. . . they tried to get a permit but did not get a response from city government after many messages were left. . . .

from http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/19/154239/638

If the city refuses to give a permit, what are we to do? Allow them a veto on our constitutional rights by not protesting? Spend two years suing the city, while BushCo consolidates his overthrow of democracy? Or stand up and speak out, in order to defend our rights?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:48 PM
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4. see this is where i get confused...
the free speech movement ended when?

the ''60's'' didn't go away -- we became overwhelmed by viet nam, and drugs{frankly}.

the establishment obviously doesn't think the people have a right to speak.
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snowbird42 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:52 PM
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6. Was she arrested?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:35 PM
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37. A rite of passage
Being arrested is a rite of passage and a badge of honor for anybody who is a protestor for change.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:58 PM
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59. And if anyone is ready to wear that badge...
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:16 PM
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62. Thanks
If it was good enough for Thoreau and Gandhi...
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #6
77. NO
Cindy was not arrested ,she is in New york city.I talked to her tonight,she is exhausted from her busy schedule and has a cold but she if okay
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:54 PM
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9. it is times like this taht I like to point out this little piece of
seditious writing

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:37 PM
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39. Careful... That sounds seditious.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #39
87. This part is NEVER taught in school to my knowledge.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:42 PM
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41. How about a Second American Revolution, based on the Declaration of
Independence and the Constitution of the United States, with three clarifications.

1. All persons, regardless of race, creed, custom, economic status or any other criteria, shall have equal rights, protection, access to government services and access to the electoral machinery.

2. Corporations, as constructs formed by the government for the pupose of limiting the liabilities of its owners, are specifically declared to NOT be 'persons' and as such have no a priori protections under the constitution and, further, shall be banned from participating in any way in the election of government officials and in the process of enacting legislation.

3. No arm of government may restrict the access of the press to any place, person or event, and the government shall ensure that no one institution or colluding group of intitutions aquires an overly large portion of any press medium.

(or something along these lines)

Let's take our country back!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:03 PM
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45. What a concept.
1. All persons...

Not something the founding fathers ever considered, even for a moment.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:34 PM
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69. Actually, they had trouble with that.
The 'three-fifths' compromise allowed slavery to continue in the South. Some people, myself included, feel that this polluted the entire concept of equality and we're still struggling with the ramifications of that hypocrisy today.

Also, implicit in much of the machinations behind the writing of the Constitution, I believe, was the idea that the wealthy should be 'protected'. Much of the writing about 'protecting minority rights', some have said, really meant that the priviledges of the wealthy had to be protected.

What I'm saying is that these flaws allowed the American experiment to diverge gradually to the point that today the government functions more to preserve racial and economic inequality than to forbid it.

I''m just trying to start a discussion about what might allow us to rescue the great ideals of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution from the sham we have today.

I do think rereading both documents is a good starting point. Next, I would ask "what went wrong?"
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:01 PM
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73. What went wrong was that it started wrong.
Landowners voted. Women, slaves, servants -- no equality. A small number of people owned most of the assets. This has continued.

I don't think anything went wrong. I think it was designed to protect the elite, and it continues to do so.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:37 PM
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74. I agree, more or less.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 10:39 PM by DLnyc
I think the elite wanted freedom from the royalty of England (sort of an extreme elite). But they needed the support of the common people (actually common man, in the way of thinking that was prevalent then), so they gave quite a bit of power to the common people (actually man), in that large numbers of people could vote. I think the idea of the Senate was to limit the power of the House, which was expected to be weighted toward the lower (or at least middle) classes.

Perhaps I am a crazy idealist, but I also think there were some noble ideas motivating many of those who wrote the Declaration and the Constitution. Anyway, it inspires ideas I consider noble when I read them.

Are you saying that there is nothing there to salvage, or are you just saying that it was doomed from the start by the calculations of the elite? If the latter, I agree, but I am dreaming that it could be redone now in a way that would lead to something much closer to real democracy, if care is taken to limit the power of concentrated wealth over the system. I do believe this has happened to a small degree in most of Europe. Their systems are much better at providing a liveable society for most people, I think

(edited for typos)
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:24 AM
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82. I'm not saying there is nothing there to salvage;
I'm saying there is nothing there to resurrect. It was never intended to be a democracy for everyone, only for the elite.

That doesn't mean that those same words could't be applied to everyone. This time, we would have to mean it, and actually include all human beings, and I do mean all.

There has been concentrated wealth (with its consequent power) since well before 1776. The dichotomy of rich and poor is what stands in the way of democracy, and it is that way by design.

To change things to a democracy here, who would force the rich to give up power? Look at what is going on now. Tax cuts for the rich, and the burden of "a few" wars for the poor. (Afghanistan, Iraq, "terror", and whatever is coming next. Who pays for the U.S. army in Paraguay?)

P.S. When they gave "quite a bit of power" to the common man, they made sure it wasn't enough to make the common man equal.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #41
56. Everybody needs to reread this...
Among other things it contains, there are these two things...

" For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:"

Sounds like what Chimp is doing with political prisoners, doesn't it?

Lots more in there we need to keep in mind. You're right, the Bush administration would consider The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution both seditious.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:56 PM
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12. It never really ended
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 03:57 PM by FVZA_Colonel
it just went into hibernation. And now, it's time for us to raise it from it's slumber.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:53 PM
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7. Shameful...
I hope someone was recording this... someone should have a videocameras on hand at every rally these days.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:59 PM
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18. Videocameras are a must! Preferably from different vantage points.
I wonder how many cops are on our side. It would be interesting to see what would happen if a protestor badged the cops doing the roust. Would they back off, or give him twice the dose?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #18
32. Most likely they'd just brush the officer with integrity aside...
and carry on with their assignment.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:54 PM
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8. Just like during the days of labor organising and the VN protests.
When will the first person be killed? And who will it be--a citizen or a cop? And what will happen then?

(that photoshopped image in the basenote really confused me at first. I think it might detract from the very serious news that the post imparts)
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:54 PM
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10. What are they so worried about? Didn't they get Karl Rove's latest
memo...there is no peace movement.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
20. I ashamed of my state
and more ashamed of my senators for not speaking out against this.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:00 PM
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21. There won't be if he can help it.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:57 PM
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14. There was indeed free speech in Crawford and lots of it. The
police there treated everyone with respect. People talked, sang, had vigils, camped out.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:58 PM
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15. They will KNEEL before Zool!

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BSDRebel Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. hah
Kiss the hand, Yor-EL!

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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:58 PM
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16. Oh the irony:
"although the only television crew covering the rally was RTV from Russia. "
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. I'm watching NBC New York
to see if they have anything on this big mistake
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:05 PM
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28. I had the same reaction. The only thing that would have made it better
is if there'd also been German and Italian press there. The symbolism would have been heavy enough to cause seismic disturbance.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:59 PM
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17. Did bush have a fucking permit.......
when he was using the rubble of the World Trade Center as a backdrop for his propaganda? Probably not.
Those who want war are given every courtesy in the country, but if you're a person who loves peace, you're fucked. The NYC Police Dept. should be ashamed of themselves. After all the good will people showed them after 9/11 they pull stupid shit like this.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. But fascists believe that respect and admiration are their due
They don't have to do anything to deserve it. People are supposed to either fawn on them or cower away in terror.
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BSDRebel Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:01 PM
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23. Isn't this fascism?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 04:07 PM by BSDRebel
Storm troopers breaking down peaceful rallies that are conforming to the First Amendment's permission's?

If they have good sense, they'll call the ACLU and sue right away. This is out and out a violation of free speech and free assembly.

As for whether or not they had permits, tell them to whip out the Constitution, that's the only permit they need.

Take the police to court, and debate the merits of whether or not it was permitted there. Never acquiesce to "qualifications" on the First Amendment. Either it means free assembly/free speech, or it doesn't.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. It took this
to make you realize that we are living in fascism. Welcome to the New American Century.
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BSDRebel Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #43
66. oh, no friend
i've known for a while, but I'm playing the sarcastic "isn't this" guy.

The only way to reach those that don't believe this is fascism is to point out how some of their treasured rights are routinely trumped.

Scary times...
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #66
90. Ah, yes, I see
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:01 PM
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24. A sign of what's to come on the 24th in Wash. perhaps?
This is pretty shocking, and confirms the NYPD's no-mercy policy towards demonstrators - like during the Repub convention in 2004.
How can this happen in a democratic country, in the capital of liberalism? :shrug:
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:06 PM
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29. wouldn`t it be great if the Dems unite on the House steps
Kerry had a pretty scathing letter calling out the neocons today,Willy wasn`t to keen in his last interview.

Get Pelosi,Reid,Dean,Kucinich,Clark,Kerry,Conyers on those steps the 24th and demand we take our House back.

we can only dream
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Sadly, I think Rove was right about this
when he said that none of the Democratic leadership is behind the antiwar movement.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. I expect DC to resemble Prague in 1968. The Republicans are
afraid of the masses, afraid of the people of the US.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:02 PM
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26. Sometimes New York Cities Finest Are Not!!!!!
And this is one of those times.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:07 PM
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30. And so it begins....
the revolution that is

which will be televised, in Russia that is...
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:29 PM
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35. Since when does a rallly without a permit warrant an ARREST???
I mean, it's one thing to give out a citation, but to freakin' arrest people???? Don't they have better things to do??? I mean, I know there's not an ounce of crime going on in the City every day, so there must be plenty of jail space for permit violators. This is soo wrong. I still want to know WHERE is Cindy? ANd WHO yanked her offstage so forcibly???
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barenakedbiker Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Since People Started Riding Bikes in NYC
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 04:32 PM by barenakedbiker
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:37 PM
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38. No coverage of this incident on any NYC local TV.
Local ABC station did have coverage of a downtown press conference by Cindy and others re. 9/24. But no mention of the incedent.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:00 PM
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44. I'm going to check the six o'clock news on all channels. nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:15 PM
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47. Nothing yet on the channels. nt
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:40 PM
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40. So where's Hillary? Is she afraid of Bloomberg? Or in bed with him?
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 05:00 PM by Seabiscuit
If the latter, what does Monica think of it?
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flannelmouth Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:37 PM
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48. Makes you think
Didn't Cindy call Sen. Clinton out on her war support over the weekend? Maybe a little warning shot across the bow?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:46 PM
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42. Zephyr: Emma Goldman was Arrested in Union Square 112 Years Ago
If true, Cindy Sheehan joins ranks with another great woman activist, Emma Goldman, who 112 years ago also in the summer there in Manhattan was arrested for her political activism.

Cindy, you are in the finest of historical company now! I salute you.


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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:11 PM
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46. Cindy wasn't arrested, just "Zul".
I first met him 2 or 3 years ago protesting Bush at the U.N. He was arrested then, too.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:45 PM
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50. Rally photos linked!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:43 PM
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57. Check out the cop on the right...
He looks pretty belligerent, doesn't he? About a half second away from using violence. Man, is he aggressive.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:47 PM
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51. And we thought the SA died in 1933...
:sarcasm:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 05:49 PM
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52. What a disgraceful country.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 05:54 PM by Gregorian
And to think her son gave his life for it.

First amendment rights?

We're not going away, ASSHOLES! And We are going to continue speaking. Shove that one up your megaphones, fascists.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:07 PM
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53. Anyone know if she (Cindy) made it to St. John's?
She was scheduled to address a forum at 6:30 in the Cathedral..
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:55 PM
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75.  Spoke to a friend a while ago who heard Sheehan speak at St. John's;
She told me Cindy said, among other things, that EVERYBODY REALLY NEEDS TO GO DOWN TO DC NEXT SATUDAY!

Come on people, let's go stand up and be counted!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:12 PM
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54. Dems we are waiting.... Hillary you BETTER speak out on this!
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:19 PM
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67. Don't hold your breath. Hillary hates Cindy.
Cindy represents the antithesis of Hillary and her agenda. The irony is Hillary would create a whole lot more Cindy Sheehans if she had her way.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:21 PM
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55. Village Voice: NYPD Unplugs Cindy Sheehan
City’s Finest pulls move even Bush wouldn’t have tried

by Sarah Ferguson
September 19th, 2005 5:54 PM

<snip> Police dragged away Paul Zulkowitz, a.k.a. Zool, an organizer with “Camp Casey New York,” the small encampment that he and other activists helped set up a month ago in Union Square in solidarity with Sheehan’s vigil outside President Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas. The New York branch existed much to the ire of the city’s Parks Department. Today, Zulkowitz was arrested for failing to obtain a sound permit—a charge that normally warrants no more than a summons.

Moments earlier, Zulkowitz had been chastising Parks officials for refusing to grant a permit to the encampment, and accusing the police of trying to harass the antiwar protest away. Contrasting the liberal Big Apple with the hostile environs Sheehan faced in Crawford, Zulkowitz told the crowd: "You would think that here in New York City, at Union Square—our Hyde Park—you would think that we would little difficulty having a 24-hour vigil to oppose the war. In fact, we've had two arrests and eight summonses and endless harassment from the police for doing what we do." <snip>

"They came in like gangbusters. It was really ridiculous," said Margaret Rapp, a retired teacher from Inwood who added that she planned to file a complaint after an officer forcibly shoved her in the chest. A mother of a 19-year-old, she said she'd come to hear Sheehan because she lost her fiancee during the Vietnam War. "This is very close to home. There is a chord that Cindy hits among people that have lost people in this war and other wars, or who have draft age children like me. We're scared to death.”

Inspector Michael McEnroy, commander of the 13th Precinct, insisted the shutdown order had nothing to do with the content of Sheehan’s speech, but was instead about the "provocation" caused by Zulkowitz. “This has been going on for much longer than today,” McEnroy said, adding of Sheehan, “I don’t even know the woman.” That last part prompted one pissed-off onlooker to shoot back: “Haven’t you watched the news or read a paper in the last three months? ” <snip>

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0538,fergusonshee,67983,2.html
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:44 PM
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70. Ok,, who has e-mail links to NYPD, parks comis, and mayors office?
People deserve massive email campaigns for this.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:57 AM
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83. I don't even KNOW THE WOMAN?????????
Sounds like Inspector Michael McEnroy is the ideal candidate to be the next Homeland Security Chief, eh? He, like the guy who would appoint him, does not watch the news!!!!!!!!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:53 PM
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58. Protesters draw link between Katrina and Iraq war (Reuters)
<snip> When Sheehan later spoke in Manhattan's Union Square to a group of about 200 anti-war protesters, New York police broke up the rally and arrested a man over a dispute about whether their permit allowed amplified sound.

Morrigan Phillips, spokeswoman for the Bring Them Home Now Tour, which has been stopping in towns across America on its way to the march in Washington, said the arrest was the first since the group began its campaign earlier this summer. <snip>

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N1943789.htm
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:05 PM
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60. Gestapo at work in New York!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:15 PM
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61. New Update with pics
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 07:17 PM by Twist_U_Up
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:13 PM
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72. Wow thanks for the update links.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:28 PM
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63. Where was the NYC Civil Liberties Union?
They should have been all over this.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:29 PM
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64. My first thought is that Cindy should have stepped front and center
just keep questioning them until they arrested her too - she's the only one who could get a headline in this.

also sounds like time to ask for NY ACLU help and sue (as long as they had a permit)

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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:43 PM
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65. Christ sakes, is Gulliani back in the city, this sounds like
the facist bs he would pull.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:28 PM
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68. KICK!
I think this deserves a call to action.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:05 PM
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71. It seems we owe Zool a lot of credit.
Not knowing more than I've read here, it appears that Zool took it upon himself to supply the speakers with the means neccisary to be heard by the crowd. And as a result, it appears he was arrested. I keep thinking that it was Zool who made it possible for the speakers to be heard. Were it not for him, maybe this would have been nothing more than a group of people shouting in the wind. He must have known what was at stake. That is the true essence of sacrifice. For now, I'm applauding Zool.
We'll see.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:55 PM
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:19 AM
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78. Go crawl back into your hole....
You're not "amusing".

:kick:
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:07 AM
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86. Stop it
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

And don't even bring up permits. Denying permits just to squelch people's right to speak is unconstitutional.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:53 AM
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81. We will see.....seems there is more than meets the eye........
Why did the cops just go for him? Its obvious that something else besides not having a permit was involved. Guess we will have to wait until the morning papers.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:46 AM
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88. I agree - something else is going on here -
- in trolling for info I saw an article in Village Voice (I believe that's where it was)that said Zool had been arrested in August. Maybe that had something to do with it.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:22 AM
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79. OMFG! Why didn't we see this on CNN? We have got to get this story
out on a bigger scale.AS far as where are our political leaders? The Dem's have to get the information from the News just like we do.Has anyone contacted anyone?someone should e-mail Howard Dean or John Edwards who used to be a Lawyer.
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boddhi Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 12:22 AM
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80. bring your video cams on 9/24
wherever you're protesting, whatever you're doing - record it as best you can - both for estimating crowd sizes and for clearly identifying any harassment
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:00 AM
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84. That is a good idea
Video phones, disc recorders, still cameras...a record of the events will be useful even if there is no harassment.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 02:05 AM
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85. It's all disneys fault......
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:40 AM
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89. NY Times Article
An antiwar speech by Cindy Sheehan, the mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq, was cut short yesterday after the organizer of the event was arrested and police officers confiscated his audio equipment.

The claps and cheers that had greeted Ms. Sheehan's arrival at the rally in Union Square quickly turned to furious chants of "Let her speak!" as officers ushered away the organizer, Paul Zulkowitz, who the police said lacked audio permits for the event.

Angry activists followed officers as they led Mr. Zulkowitz away, waving their fists and shouting, "Shame, shame, shame." Ms. Sheehan, who was visiting New York on the last leg of a bus tour across the country, was nearing the end of her speech when the police officers arrested Mr. Zulkowitz. She was whisked to a car by two supporters just before the police officers seized the microphone. Mr. Zulkowitz was arrested because he did not have a permit, said the commanding officer of the 13th Precinct, Inspector Michael J. McEnroy.

Detective Kevin Czartoryski said Mr. Zulkowitz was charged with unauthorized use of a sound device and disorderly conduct, and was released after being given a court summons.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/nyregion/20sheehan.html
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