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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:05 AM
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Attack in Mosul kills Americans (Blackwater mercs)
http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3871433&nav=Bsmh

BAGHDAD, Iraq A suicide car bomber has attacked a U-S convoy in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, killing four Americans and wounding two others.

A U-S official says the victims are a Diplomatic Security agent and three private security guards attached to the U-S Consulate in Mosul, Iraq's third largest city.

The official says the suicide bomber rammed their sport utility vehicle.

Two weeks ago, a roadside bomb killed four private American guards who worked as security agents for the Bureau of Diplomatic Security in Basra.

( CNN just said they were Blackwater Security.)
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:11 AM
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1. Mercenary corporations = BushCo Cronies Suckling at Taxpayer Tit
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 05:12 AM by SpiralHawk
While our volunteer sons and daughters get peanuts at the pay window, and BushCo fails to provide the armor they need for their vehicloes.

Republicans need a clue: The profit motive is a shameful excuse for a war.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 06:20 AM
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3. repukes have that clue.
they get by wiith it because the american public simply does not care.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 05:53 AM
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2. if they weren't mercs...
I'd give a shit.

Hey, look on the bright side! The suicide attacker thought he was killing US soldiers, but all he did was rid us of some traitors! :evilgrin:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:05 AM
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14. More Mercenaries "BITE THE DUST"
Good thing there are no hungry or homeless people in amerika.</sarcasm>

Spend your $2,000.00 a day, now bozos.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:37 AM
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21. My cousin is one of these "security cunsultants"
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 10:38 AM by TahitiNut
He's been to Columbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

That said, I'd feel bad for his father, sisters, and wife. I've already felt enough sadness that he's chosen such a career. :shrug:
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:41 AM
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26. I agree with you...
It's like if a convicted child murderer gets beaten to death in prison. I wouldn't feel bad at all that such a waste of a human being got killed (before my seeming heartlessness gets too far ahead of me, I should say I'm actually against the death penalty: I don't think the government should be putting even child murderers to death, but if one happens to get in a scrape in prison, I wouldn't waste tears on him), but I'd feel bad for his family: not only did they have to come to terms with what he'd done, but also deal with his own being murdered.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:08 AM
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28. So's the guy I almost married many years ago...
I havent talked to him since he deployed a year ago. I am at a total loss of words ... ex Marine Corps colonel... should know better.

I know the sadness you feel. I dont know whether to forgive or not. As an ex, there's no way anyone would ever notify me if anything ever happened.

How do you reconcile your feelings for your family with knowledge about what these companies are doing? If you want to PM me, please do.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:12 AM
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4. Good riddance!
Cold, I know, but fuck the war profiteers!
They knew what they getting into...
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:30 AM
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6. "Cold, I know, but fuck the war profiteers!"
Not a cold statement, but the Hard Cold TRUTH.

Excellent!
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:30 AM
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5. Bush a threat to the world (guardian)
The Venezuelan president's fiery speech denouncing the Iraq
war before the U.N. General Assembly drew some of the loudest
applause at the summit.

``He reminded Americans that Bush cannot be trusted, and
warned world leaders, too,'' said Josefina Morales, a single
mother who joined the rally to welcome Chavez home. ``He
sends his message to the world, and people are listening.''

During his New York visit Chavez called the U.S. government ``a
terrorist state'' and suggested Iraqis were justified in defending
against what he called a ``criminal'' war. :applause:

Rep. Connie Mack, a Florida Republican, said Chavez may have
soaked up the spotlight, but his rhetoric was only enticing to
``those people that oppose freedom and dislike the United States.'' :puke:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5289988,00.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:13 AM
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11. DOGS OF WAR COMING SOON TO A TOWN NEAR YOU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=9558


Mr. Bremer, what's wrong with the American soldier, not good enough for you?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:42 AM
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13. JACKALS OF DISASTER PROFITEERING
NOLA Excerpts
Kurt Nimmo, Another Day in the Empire

September 18, 2005

It is difficult to cut through the corporate media sugar coating and find out what is really happening in New Orleans. Searching the internet, I have come up with the following quotes and article excerpts. Jordan Flaherty, an organizer with the Service Employees International Union and an editor of Left Turn Magazine, wrote on September 15:

…the worst damage is what is being done now, this confluence of forces barraging New Orleans and its Diaspora, what some local organizers have referred to as the Disaster Industrial Complex. This is the perfect storm created by an orgy of greed and opportunism engaged in by the jackals of disaster profiteering. The list of those who are gaining from our loss is large, and it includes everyone from the heavily armed thugs of Wackenhut Security and Blackwater USA to the often well-meaning but ineffective bureaucrats of Red Cross and FEMA, to the Scientology missionaries crowding the shelters, to journalists and disaster-gazers taking up a chunk of available housing, to the major multinationals such as Halliburton, working in concert with rich elites from uptown New Orleans seeking partners with which to exploit this tragedy. These are the institutions and individuals poised to profit from this disaster, while the people of New Orleans face nothing but further dislocation and disempowerment.

New Orleans is the most militarized city in the United States, probably since the Civil War. Flaherty continues:

Whether its in the shelters or in the streets of New Orleans, this may go down as the most militarized “relief” effort in history. The Chicago police are camped out on a bar on Bourbon Street. Wackenhut security convoys are riding in and out of town. Israeli security patrol Audubon Place Uptown. White vigilante gangs patrol the West Bank, with tacit permission of local authorities. National Guard and Blackwater are on patrol throughout the city, along with DEA, INS, State police, New Orleans police, NYPD, and countless other agencies.

Bill Sizemore, writing for the Virginian-Pilot on September 15, adds detail about the presence of Blackwater in New Orleans and the confusion about their “mission”:

Anne Duke, a Blackwater spokeswoman, said Wednesday that the company has about 200 personnel in the hurricane-ravaged area. The vast majority—64 employees—are working under a contract with the Federal Protective Service, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, to protect government facilities. The 30-day contract can be extended indefinitely, she said.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m15889&l=i&size=1&hd=0
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Twillig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:56 AM
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22. Mercs get to be a little fatter.
Harder to shoot around.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:34 AM
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7. They were Mercs? Excuse me while I dry my tears....
Newsflash for you Blackwater misfits: They pay you so damn much because exactly THIS might happen to you.

Suck it up, you big, bad Soldiers of Mis-fortune....

Early news report here said they were soldiers....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:41 AM
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8. Perhaps it was those pesky undercover brits?
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:45 AM
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9. Better to fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em here
Blackwater, that is..



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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 07:52 AM
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10. cry me a river
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:29 AM
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20. i couldn't have said
it better.
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:37 AM
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12. Who was the poet who had a line that ran something like
First we have the naming of names.

These are not private security forces. These are mercenaries. They may be American mercenaries, and for the moment they may be working for Americans. But they are mercenaries, and they are available to the highest bidder.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:33 AM
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15. There WERE soldiers killed, too...
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-09-20T135422Z_01_SPI044019_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-DEATHS.xml

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Four U.S. soldiers have been killed by roadside bombs in Iraq, the U.S. military said on Tuesday, bringing the number of American soldiers killed since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq to 1,906.

"Four Soldiers assigned to the 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), were killed in action by improvised explosive devices during two separate incidents while conducting combat operations September 19 in Ramadi, Iraq," the statement said.

That makes 1905 now....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:37 AM
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16. Private security firms burgeoning in Iraq
A little "old" news


Iraq turns into bonanza for world's private security firms amid increasing violence in war-ravaged country.


By Sam Dagher - BAGHDAD

His steely blue eyes scan the lobby of one of Baghdad's fortress-like hotels, his speech is fast and agitated, peppered with words like "discipline" and "assessment" and he has nothing but contempt for his Iraqi counterparts.

He is a member of a burgeoning and shadowy army of western private security advisors and guards charged with protecting civilian coalition members, private contractors, Iraq's interim Governing Council elite and the country's vital oil infrastructure.

"Clients are looking for the maturity of soldiers that have been in intense security situations and are not going to jump out and start shooting right away," said the British security advisor on condition of anonymity.

Since the fall of Saddam Hussein, Iraq has sunk into what the United States has characterised as "low intensity warfare" carried out by "desperate" former regime loyalists and "foreign terrorists".

Private security firms jumped in, turning the country into a magnet for veterans of guerrilla wars in Africa, Latin America and Northern Ireland and cops who worked in America's meanest streets. And all of them are mainly motivated by cold hard cash.

"It is about finances first and foremost," said the British advisor, refusing to disclose details of his own remuneration.

But he said that the starting monthly salary for security advisors in Iraq was about 10,000 dollars, more than double the going rate in Britain, and not counting expenses and extras.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/features/?id=8320


BEHIND THE HEADLINES
Security workers face a dangerous time in Iraq

Wednesday's tragic attack in Fallujah showed U.S. troops aren't the only Americans doing guard duty in Iraq. Another whole army is in play here, and it's a dangerous game.

By ALISSA J. RUBIN and ESTHER SCHRADER
Los Angeles Times
4/3/2004


http://www.buffalonews.com.nyud.net:8090/graphics/2004/04/03/actualsize/0403bwater.jpg



Associated Press
Along with Blackwater USA, the elite North Carolina company that employed the victims of the Fallujah violence, more than 35 other security companies from around the globe employ an estimated 15,000 private security workers in Iraq.



BAGHDAD, Iraq - The four American civilian security workers brutally killed and mutilated in Fallujah on Wednesday were among thousands of ex-soldiers and others who work in the murky universe of private security firms operating in Iraq, frequently outside the control of the U.S. military or any Iraqi authority.
Along with Blackwater USA, the elite North Carolina company that employed the victims of the Fallujah violence, more than 35 other security companies from around the globe employ an estimated 15,000 private security workers in Iraq. Dozens more companies are competing for lucrative contracts available here.

The security firms operate in a world where the military, the intelligence community and private companies merge. Many of the employees once served in elite units such as the Navy SEALs or Army Green Berets.

Those employees are also well paid, with some of the more dangerous positions reportedly garnering up to $1,000 per day.

Their clients, activities and even the names of security firm employees are largely kept from public view. Security experts estimate that dozens of the heavily armed security workers have been killed since entering Iraq after the ousting of President Saddam Hussein nearly a year ago.

The vast majority of their work in Iraq is government-funded, either through direct contracts with government agencies or indirectly as security for firms that have contracts to help rebuild Iraq.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040403/1017733.asp


Britain's secret army in Iraq: thousands of armed security men who answer to nobody

The presence of thousands of armed Westerners and others, including Gurkhas and Fijians, says much about America's fear of military casualties. Security firms are escorting convoys. Armed men from an American company are guarding US troops at night inside the former presidential palace where Paul Bremer, the American proconsul, has his headquarters. When a US helicopter crashed near Fallujah last year, an American security firm took control of the area and began rescue operations.

Details of the number of companies here - there may be as many as 400 - are further complicated by the number of security firms that are subcontracted by larger companies on a daily or weekly basis. Larger companies such as Control Risks complain that many are unregistered and uninsured.

Much of the money being earned by British companies is coming from the British taxpayer. The Independent on Sunday has learnt that the Foreign Office and Department for International Development have spent nearly £25m on hiring private bodyguards, armed escorts and security advisers to protect their civil servants. That figure is set to increase sharply in July when sovereignty is handed over to an Iraqi administration.

The largest contract is with Control Risks, which has earned £23.5m. It employs about 120 staff to protect about 150 British officials and contractors.

http://www.independent.co.uk/c/?ec=500

The growing number of gun-toting civilians in Iraq has created a wild west-like atmosphere that could become particularly troublesome once the United States hands over control to Iraqis on June 30, experts say.

Without special diplomatic agreements in place, a U.S. civilian who is accused of mishandling a weapon or killing or injuring an Iraqi civilian might be subject to an Iraqi justice system.

"They're not members of the U.S. military or governed by the code of conduct, but they're civilians operating in a combat zone ... an inherent disconnect," said P.W. Singer, a military analyst at the Brookings Institution and author of Corporate Warriors - The Rise of the Privatized Military.

"What happens if they get in a firefight and something goes wrong and they get captured? We're in a sense making up the rules as we go along, and that's not a recipe for good policy."

Before yesterday's blast that leveled the Mount Lebanon Hotel in Baghdad, at least 20 foreign contractors had been killed in Iraq since major hostilities were declared at an end by President Bush last May 1, along with a number of Iraqis working for contractors, according to published reports.

No one formally tracks civilian deaths and injuries.
http://www.sandline.com/hotlinks/Baltimore_Sun-Secu1138575.html



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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 09:48 AM
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17. Hiring them as assasins in addition to their "security" work?
It would be remarkable if they were not participating in these death squads....

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7227

<snip>

Most U.S. officials when asked about the Phoenix program deny that assassination was any part of it -- according to the official in charge, William Colby, despite some excesses most of the 20,000+ who were killed (40,000 according to the South Vietnamese government) were killed in military encounters (just like the proverbial prisoners "shot while attempting to escape"). But there is plenty of testimony from participants in the program of straight-forward assassination: "Vietnamese veterans of the Phoenix campaign tell of creeping into a man's house in the night and shooting him with silenced pistols as he lay asleep in his bed."<7> And the U.S.-imposed monthly quotas, plus incredible corruption and personal vendettas, guaranteed that many of those killed were not Viet Cong cadre at all. (One U.S. intelligence officer assigned to the Phoenix program stated that when he arrived in his district he was given a list of 200 people who were to be killed; six months later, 260 people had been killed -- but none of those on the list.<8>) But Boykin (who seems to feel that the problem with the Phoenix program was its secrecy) isn't concerned about such details. He acknowledges an on-going assassination program in Iraq.



And we can assume that the recruiting of Iraqi assassins is proceeding apace, given that back in October U.S. Special Operations forces were given new authority (in a single paragraph in an 800-page defense authorization bill) to spend money recruiting foreign paramilitary fighters.<9> And we can assume as well that there will be few human rights objections raised within the Bush administration given that the newly-appointed deputy national security adviser responsible for overseeing policy relating to "Democracy, Human Rights, and International Organization Affairs" is Elliott Abrams, who not only was convicted of lying to Congress about aid to the Nicaraguan Contras, but who systematically covered up massacres in El Salvador.<10>



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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:10 AM
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18. My brother has
trained Blackwater mercenaries in North Carolina. He likes to call them contractors, but we all know better.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:14 AM
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19. Is Blackwell an equal opportunity employee?


I keep asking and no one is able to tell me.

I believe that Halliburton and Blackwell etc. are run by the KKK, how many people of color do they employ ? Or, do they just want people of color to get the meager government check and no protective gear!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:57 AM
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23. Al Qaeda is claiming the attack.
I would guess the "Diplomatic Security agent " is some sort of spook.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:02 PM
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24. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ?- KELLOGG ROOT AND BROWN
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 03:07 PM by seemslikeadream
Are the employees of Halliburton mercenaries?

Are the employees of Halliburton putting our soldiers at risk?



http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

Halliburton serves contaminated water to troops - whistleblower (HalliburtonWatch) 20 Sep 2005 "Outrage overflowed on Capitol Hill this summer when members of Congress learned that Halliburton's dining halls in Iraq had repeatedly served spoiled food to unsuspecting troops... But the outrage apparently doesn't end with spoiled food. Former KBR employees and water quality specialists, Ben Carter and Ken May, told HalliburtonWatch that KBR knowingly exposes troops and civilians to contaminated water from Iraq's Euphrates River. One internal KBR email provided to HalliburtonWatch says that, for 'possibly a year,' the level of contamination at one camp was two times the normal level for untreated water."


If the American military was in charge of getting water to the troops, does anyone think they would posion their own?


BLOOD MONEY
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:23 AM
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30. What are they doing prowling the streets of NOLA?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 03:50 PM
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25. no way dude, blackwater is the best of the best. no way some little
piss ant terrorist could get the best of a blackwater employee.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:00 AM
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27. CHECK OUT THE BARBECUE
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/photo/2004/04/01/2003117893

A television grab shows hands in flames as a body burns next to an attacked vehicle yesterday in the volatile Iraqi town of Falluja.

As in "another one bites the dust"
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Ben Ceremos Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:25 AM
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29. Nothing says "Kill me!"
like a job as a mercenary. Justice exists in Iraq, at least for the dead mercs. I won't lament their loss and I wish their colleagues many such exciting encounters. Pigs.
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