A plea for help (Vouthy Tho's sister: "They aimed for my brother."

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~1714525,00.html
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Ung's sister, Davann, said she had no idea who would want to shoot her brother.

"We didn't do nothing to nobody,' said Davann Ung, who was inches from her brother when he was shot and was nearly hit. "They aimed for my brother.'

Vibol Ung said he tried to run after the gunman.

The last thing his brother said to him was that he felt pain in his back.

Gunnery Sgt. Graham Hilson, who served alongside Ung in Iraq, said Ung suffered shrapnel wounds in the back of his leg in mid-April when a Marine standing behind him stepped on a land mine.
<snip>
Local reporting of the Incident.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. So sad, these tragic coincidences

At least she can be comforted knowing that even in his death, her brother serves to thwart those who only want to hurt America by trying to spin cockamamie conspiracy theories to make America look bad and erode support for the War on Terror.

[rman]

2. you actually believe in the war on terror?

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[DuctapeFatwa]

3. Here is an informative link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=314574

[rman]

17. gotcha.

need more coffee.

[Guaranteed]

4. Well, do you at least believe that terrorists

(Saudi terrorists) flew planes into the WTC?

[DuctapeFatwa]

7. The regime has decreed that the 911 events should not be too closely

looked into.

The President has stated very clearly that it was the work of evildoers who hate freedom.

He went on to decree, you are with us or you are with the terrorists, surprising millions who had previously thought that being a terrorist was a BAD thing.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

15. Sure, but on what orders?

[aeon flux]

5. That the assassins specifically TARGETED her brother Lance Cpl. Ung

during the shooting seems too much "coincidence" to be a coincidence. There were many people at the party, so why did the killers target her brother specifically?

This cannot be a random act of violence folks. The domestic Gestapo is on the rampage once again.

[demdave]

6. What about the other man that was also shot and killed.

If we continue under the assumption that these thugs were expert shots, which I think is proven wrong by the number of innocent victims of drive-bys every day, then you have to explain why the other man "needed" to be killed.

Nobody was "Wellstoned" here, not even Wellstone.

[DuctapeFatwa]

9. To bring up the coincidental death of the other soldier is anti-American

You are clearly a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who hates freedom.

Report immediately to the Homeland Security Department for intensive interrogation in Egypt.

[rman]

16. you can call it coincidence. i say it's a whole lot of coincidence.

"You are clearly a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist who hates freedom."

That makes me lol, sounds so much like Bush / neocon rethoric.

I'll up you one: this coincidentism of yours has got to stop.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

10. While it's too early to say anything one way or the other with any degree

of certainty, the other soul who died could be considered as "flavor" to give the appearance of a "random" shooting.

[aeon flux]

11. Exactly.

You don't want to make it "too" obvious. But just obvious enough to send a loud message to the other US soldiers involved in the Pvt. Lynch rescue. Keep your mouths shut or else.

[Ms. Clio]

12. It wasn't a "drive-by"

A masked gunman reached OVER A FENCE and deliberately shot these people.

[Athame]

20. I saw the interview with the sister on local TV

She was in the backyard where the shooting occured while the family was having a BBQ to welcome her brother home. The yard was really a small patio next to the garage surrounded by a six-foot high wooden fence. The shooters had to boost themselves up somehow and fire over the fence into the yard/patio. It was not a random drive-by shooting. The local media were implying that it was race based, but not giving any evidence to that. I thought it was strange...until I heard that the marine had been on the Jessica Lynch rescue team and remembered the other one who had died in a single car accident on his way to see his girlfriend...then I KNEW it was strange. Both deaths just believable enough as random incidents. No way to prove anything. Like Wellstone, Hatfield, and many others.

[amish_enforcer]

22. I'm on the fence on this "conspiracy"

but..." then you have to explain why the other man "needed" to be killed" ...simple enough, a gunman at 1am in a shooting into a small enclosed backyard, aiming for a target, old man? no, young girl? nope. Ahh theres two 20 year old guys, lemme study their faces while I'm hanging over their fence with a weapon drawn.

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They're not super close in how they look, but again at 1 am in a small backyard....

[aeon flux]

8. When you're standing right next to the target,

chances are you will go down with him.

[demdave]

13. FINE..it was the black helicopters and phsyops......

Just, please don't discuss your theories of a deliberate hit in public if you are a known Dem. We don't need an even more paranoid image.


LIHOP, MIHOP, Wellstone and now this. :tinfoilhat:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

14. It's just a discussion of "what if" at this point. Why does that bother

you so much?

[demdave]

21. It is not a discussion of "what if". Read the posts on this thread and

here....http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=176713


This sort of tinfoilhat drivel gives the opposition a very good reason to dismiss our positions on actual issues.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

25. I was involved in the discussion thread you link to and was called a

"fringe whacko" for postulating that this may or may not be a gang crime.

It's an earlier version of this thread without the "they were shooting at him" quote.

[demdave]

28. How you rewrite recent history, you openly invited someone to call

you a fringe whacko and someone half jokingly did. Nobody called you anything until you offered the phrase and the oportunity. It is a shame you didn't read the rest of that person's post. It runs along the same lines as my thoughts.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

29. I did read it and here it is again:

<snip>
you are so eager to believe in evil that you find conspiracies under every stone, and satan in every accident. You are the same as the people convinced Bill Clinton was masterminding a drug smuggling ring from Mesa Arkansas. You have taken two completely unrelated events and projected your own biases onto them to make a connection. There is none.

And yes, it is personal. because simply by being on the same thread as you, we are now linked. and someone who may be reading this will think that DU is a home for tin foil wearing grassy knoll seeing black helicopter types. And then when we point out how Bush is looting the treasury, they can say "you mean like he was killing soldiers in Long Beach?" and laugh.

Wake up. you are letting your obsession with the omnipresent evil of the BFFE distract you from what's important: showing the American people what the Bush Clan is doing to America. And until there is some evidence, what they are not doing is sending hooded thugs into gang ridden areas and killing people. show some evidence besides bad statistical analysis. There isn't any, except your belief that somehow, the government is killing people, one by one. oookay.

Have you ever read the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf? I heartily reccomend it. In fact, here's an Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/014054612X/qid=1066760625/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/103-4187177-1622206?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


Save your bullets (pun intended) for the real stuff, don't waste it on this tragedy.
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Nicely snide and way over reacting. I have not once said that the government is killing people (even though they are prooving they are very good at it in Iraq). I AM saying that this is IMHO an unusual incident that might bear watching. It is the 2nd reported death of a person associated with a failed wartime story creation. IMHO, both deaths have the potential of being considered "odd."

I could go ahead and just accept the stories that Buh & Buds dole out like pablum, or I can play "what if" with stories and see what plays and what doesn't.

Just like thinking outside the box, that's all.

[hang a left]

18. Really when you consider he is the second soldier "deaded"

from this group, It makes you wonder. The other man died in a single-car car crash. Sorry, it kinda smells funny.

Just because they are after you, doesn't have make you paranoid.

[henslee]

19. No need to apology. THEY made us this jittery. Any prob. stats anyone?

no text.

[Ms. Clio]

23. words have meanings

A "drive-by" implies something very different from what actually occurred that day.

driveby n. accomplished while driving past in a vehicle; as, a drive­by shooting
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/driveby


I notice that you steadfastly refuse to address that point, and apparently just dismiss the family's entire version of events, and their denials of any gang-related activity, etc., and anyone who has any questions at all about this tragedy.

Hope the police don't operate in a similar fashion.

[Minstrel Boy]

27. yeah, nutty. just like

how Sirhan Sirhan was standing a foot and a half directly in front of Robert Kennedy, yet RFK was shot from behind point blank at an upwards trajectory.

But since conspiracies don't exist in America, Sirhan must have an invisible, extendable third arm, and MKULTRA must really be a kooky myth. It's the only answer which makes sense.

[lostnfound]

30. And MLK assassination too? Besides, the Repubs..

have got a TON of irrational ideas which they have no embarrassment about parading around proclaiming loudly and repeatedly.

I have shared your concern, and I'm 'on the fence' about this one since there's no EVIDENCE. But: those bas***** are ALWAYS going to find something to mock us Democrats about -- whether or not we tout conspiracy theories. Or "conspiracy hypotheses" if that makes you more comfortable.

[tlcandie]

24. Go gangs or drive bys shoot in the head?

I thought it was a spray of bullets and they didn't care who they hit or didn't? :shrug:

Straight shot to the head to me implies at the minimal a marksman not a drive by...call that one what you will.

[VeniceBeat]

26. Who Has the Rap Demo Tape the Victim

had just finished (referred to in the article)?

Has it been confiscated as "evidence?"

Had he done his own "Jessica Lynch Story?"

It'll be interesting to see how this investigation plays out.

All condolences to the families of the victims.

Is there a help fund set up?

So sad.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

31. I'm sure the Serriff's Dept could let you know if there's a fund

or desired charity.