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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:06 PM
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NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 10:07 PM by understandinglife
September 20, 2005

Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist

By PHILIP SHENON


WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 - The Pentagon said today that it had blocked a group of military officers and intelligence analysts from testifying at an open Congressional hearing about a highly classified military intelligence program that, the officers have said, identified a ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks as a potential terrorist more than a year before the attacks.

The announcement came a day before the officers and intelligence analysts had been scheduled to testify about the program, known as Able Danger, at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Bryan Whitman, a Defense Department spokesman, said in a statement that open testimony about the program "would not be appropriate - we have expressed our security concerns and believe it is simply not possible to discuss Able Danger in any great detail in an open public forum." He offered no other detail on the Pentagon's reasoning in blocking the testimony.

Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who is chairman of the committee, said he was surprised by the Pentagon's decision because "so much of this has already been in the public domain, and I think that the American people need to know what happened here."

More at the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/20/politics/20cnd-intel.html?ei=5094&en=f3ac02003e8f8622&hp=&ex=1127275200&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1127271717-VORRuqIzjnQqxqNr5Koh7w&pagewanted=print


Anyone surprised by this should realize that the real surprise would have been Rummy letting them testify.


Peace.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:08 PM
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1. Cover up.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:27 AM
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31. DO THE MATH - THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER


http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4500623


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:05 PM
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44. LIHOP?
"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."

:hi:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #44
48. Those are, in_deed, questions that must be answered - under oath.
Peace.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:11 PM
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2. Darn. n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:18 PM
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3. big damn cover up -- big sloppy damn cover up
i like this paragraph:
The Pentagon has said that it has interviewed three other people who were involved with Able Danger and who said that they, too, recalled the identification of Mr. Atta as a terrorist suspect. But Defense Department investigators said they could find no documentary evidence to back up the assertion; they acknowledged that much of the information might have been routinely destroyed.

maybe this will wake up the roosters in the fbi to cockadoodledoo
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:41 PM
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4. The Pentagon HAS NO
RIGHT to block Congressional Inquiry! Is the Pentagon a BRANCH of Government!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:44 PM
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5. Since when did the Pentagon become Congress?
n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:00 PM
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12. I don't see how the pentagon can block an inquiry.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:45 PM
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6. How do citizens contact the Pentagon and Rumsfelds office?
n/t
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Contact the Legislative Branch
and ask them why they are cowtowing to the MILITARY!
Frigging COWARDS and Self-interested Fucktards!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:58 PM
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11. Definitely call Specter's office and stick it to them. I will, for sure.
Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:10 AM
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33. Here is the # for the Senate Judiciary Committee: 202/224-5225
BTW, the site still has the info posted as if it has not been cancelled:

Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing "
Senate Judiciary Committee
Full Committee


------------------------------------------------------------------------
DATE: September 21, 2005
TIME: 09:30 AM
ROOM: 226 Dirksen
OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST:



September 8, 2005

NOTICE OF COMMITTEE HEARING
RESCHEDULED -- Wed., September 21, 2005 at 9:30 a.m.

The hearing on “Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing” scheduled by the Senate Committee on the Judiciary for Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at 9:30 a.m. in Room 226 of the Senate Dirksen Office Building has been rescheduled to take place on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 at 9:30 a.m.

By order of the Chairman

-----------------------------------------------

Witness List

Hearing before the
Senate Judiciary Committee

on

“Able Danger and Intelligence Information Sharing”

Wednesday, September 21, 2005
9:30 a.m. Senate Dirksen Building, Room 226

PANEL I

The Honorable Curt Weldon
United States Representative

PANEL II

Mark Zaid, Esq.
Attorney at Law
Washington, DC

Erik Kleinsmith
former Army Major and
Chief of Intelligence of the Land Information Warfare Analysis LIWA
Project Manager for Intelligence Analytical Training
Lockheed Martin
Newington, VA

PANEL III

Gary Bald
Executive Assistant Director
National Security Branch
Federal Bureau of Investigation
United States Department of Justice
Washington, DC

William Dugan
Acting Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Oversight
United States Department of Defense
Washington, DC




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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:19 AM
Response to Reply #11
35. Spector's DC Office # 202/224-4254. nt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:48 PM
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7. Wonder how Specter feels knowing he has now been fully exposed ...
.... as a tool of Rummy, Rove, Neoconster, Inc.

We certainly, ALL, want to be asking him tomorrow. Just can't wait to hear how his staff folk respond to my call.


Peace.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:48 PM
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8. For all those who don't like this cause they think it looks bad on Clinton
Edited on Tue Sep-20-05 10:49 PM by jsamuel
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM! Would this administration cover up Clinton's failure? HELL NO!

For those who don't trust Weldon, sure, but the fact that the Pentagon is basically telling us that this story is real by saying that the people involved are not allowed to talk about it before congress is evidence enough. Just forget Weldon.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 10:56 PM
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10. Weldon did us a favor. And, you are correct regarding Clinton. We ...
... and the neoconsters all know that their embeds in the Pentagon managed to keep the info from Richard Clarke.

Had Clarke known of even the existence of "Able Danger", let alone that they had info on Atta, Clinton would have known within moments, and stuff would have happened -- including those neoconster embeds getting their butts kicked.


Peace.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 05:14 AM
Response to Reply #8
28. Absolutely
Forget Weldon. He's just the guy the first whistleblowers went to. And yes, I doubt Rumsfeld would bother to cover Clinton's ass..
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:21 PM
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13. WTF happened to the employee testimony about the tetrabytes destroyed?
I read this last week and it barely registered on the radar, even here! An employee was to testify this week, per Weldon, that they were ordered to destroy a tetrabyte (?) of documents relating to Able Danger. A tetrabyte (or whatever it's called) is roughly the size of 1/4 of all documents in the Library of Congress.

Sooo.. all of the tin foilers out there, are you starting to think you're right about something shady with the 9/11 attacks? If the White House and Pentagon, et al, does not start answering questions, everyone is going to start wondering who knew what and when.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 11:51 PM
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14. There's nothing shady about 9/11 attacks. They did it on purpose.


I've said from 9/12 on to today that it was an inside job. They did NOT just let it happen. They MADE it happen. It could not have happened without their active participation.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:12 AM
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15. kick n/t
:kick:
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:13 AM
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16. For crying out loud! ....n/t
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:15 AM
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17. They weren't interested in National Security when Plame was ousted...
Why do they care about "secrets" now?:eyes:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:48 AM
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18. Interesting FR thread on this:
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. The Freeper thread is hilarious, dig this:
"To: taxesareforever
You are correct.

That was why Clinton was able to get away with all that he did. The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats."

(From FR, not me!)



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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
36. My Gawd!!! How do you reason with people like the one below?
To: vadkins
No surprise here. The Bush administration doesn't want to say or do anything that would embarass Bill Clinton and company. How despicable.



7 posted on 09/20/2005 8:17:46 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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littleraf Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 07:50 AM
Response to Reply #22
53. Denial isn't a river in Egypt it's a state of mind
Freepers will come up with nay assinine rationale (no matter how implausible) to avoid saying Bush is corrupt and incompetent. And when there's no rationale to excuse away his crimes they simply shrug and say, "I don't understand why Rumsfeld told them not to testify, or why Dubya disbanded Able-Danger, but they're Republicans, so I'm sure there's a reasonable explantion for all this. Bush wouldn't lie." Nice too see Geneal Honore (who has no honor by the way) isn't the only dipstick jackass moron "stuck on stupid."
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:50 AM
Response to Reply #18
26. I few of them actually get it....read this post
What are they frantic to cover up?

Four words: The Saudi Royal Family.



26 posted on 09/20/2005 8:43:55 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:53 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. JCEccles weighs in
Count me out as a tinfoiler.

I think they're really concerned about security; they want to keep sensitive technology secret.

I really don't think they trying to cover up embarrassing information.


6 posted on 09/20/2005 8:16:53 PM PDT by JCEccles
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:13 AM
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19. dKos thread on this topic:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #19
32. I heard on Fox news of all places that
the documents were destroyed in LATE Summer 2001.

And I have read that they were destroyed in Summer of 2000.

Why in the world would someone destroy them in the summer of 2000?

It doesn't make sense.

I heard this on fox last friday morning.

I have tried to find a transcript of the report, but have been unable to do so. If someone can find it, it was on fox (cable) between 9am and 12pm.

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
50. Late 2001... wasn't that around the time Bush got a report stating
OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DETERMINED TO ATTACK WITHIN AMERICA?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:09 AM
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20. On 9/11, either BushCo completely knew it or they totally blew it.
Those are the only options to anyone who has analyzed even the little information that exists in the public record.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:44 AM
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21. This is just going to make the public distrust our gov't even more...
...if that's even possible.

WTF is going on?
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Tai-chi Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:08 AM
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23. The neocons are sweating blood now
This Abel Danger tiger is out of the cage and will tear the criminal neocon conspiracy creature into pieces.

Impeachment next.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:56 AM
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24. Pentagon moves to cover-up advance knowledge of Sep 11 attackers
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=b900440df3aebb11

Defense Department lawyers have blocked members of a data-mining intelligence team from testifying Wednesday before a congressional committee probing their claims that they identified the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 hijackers more than a year before the attacks.

The Senate Committee on the Judiciary sought testimony from several members of the team -- code-named Able Danger -- as part of their investigation into claims that the project identified Mohamed Atta and three of the other 18 hijackers as linked to al-Qaida in early 2000, according to Senate staffers.

Mark Zaid, an attorney representing a liaison to the team, Army reserve Col. Tony Shaffer, told United Press International that a letter to his client gave no reasons for blocking the testimony.

The letter was signed by the principle deputy general counsel for the Defense Intelligence Agency, Robert Berry.
more...

Very Interesting!!!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:56 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. More Gen Myers covering up for his MASTER ---- the CHIMPANZEE
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:55 AM
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27. Conduct the closed hearing and then disclose results publicly
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 04:57 AM by teryang
There is nothing to stop any Senator on the committee from doing this. Its called sovereign immunity and there is nothing the executive branch can do about it.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:15 AM
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30. Besides contacting Spectors office, please contact members of the press
Here are 3 emails of some reporters who have been asking tough question:

countdown@msnbc.com

360@cnn.com

aaron.brown@turner.com
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:16 AM
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34. Considering this corrupt administration's credibility problems . . .
"Trust us" just doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence in me. We'll see who is still buffaloed by these criminals.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:56 AM
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37. They've done this last minute stuff so often people should learn - MOVE UP
these hearings about 3 days ahead of time.

They've been doing the exact same thing all along with the ACLU and new abuse photos hearings. 1 or 2 days before something is supposed to happen, they file a statement or refuse to comply or some such action.

Learn this lesson - schedule it, then MOVE IT UP before they can play their stall card.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:30 AM
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38. ABLE DANGER hearings this morning
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Dugan: "Atta cannot be considered a US Person"
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 04:12 PM by understandinglife
Update <2005-9-21 14:34:12 by Sherlock Google>: This is important. This is news! During the hearing today, the attorney from the Secretary of Defense office, Dugan, clearly stated that Mohamed Atta cannot be considered a US Person, therefore Army Reg 381-10 does not apply, therefore the FBI should have been told to arrest Atta and the other 3 members, of which 2 were pilots on 9-11.

Whether you are LIHOP or not, this is news because at the least we have DoD confirming that the FBI and thus President Clinton should have been told by Schoomaker and Franks, and Atta should have been arrested--meaning 9-11 would never have happened.

Ooops! I don't think Rummy planned on this question being asked of Dugan. Now Specter will want Rummy to answer this himself!

Link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/21/94539/0721



Peace.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Was that hearing with Rumsfeld today?
I thought that was what I heard
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:29 PM
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47. I think what Sherlock Google means is that Rummy didn't ...
....anticipate that a DoD lawyer would make that statement today and that Specter has even more reason to haul Rummy in and ask him, under oath, how he explains DoD legal opinion of Atta's status.


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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:45 PM
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39. If the NOLA levees had been made of al-Bushda's coverups, they
Edited on Wed Sep-21-05 02:46 PM by despairing optimist
never would have given way.

I think I want to vomit. I'm so sick of all the coverups and spin.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 03:06 PM
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40. They say people should imagine the worst things their.....
government could possibly be doing, then realize that in reality the government is doing things that are much worse than that. I believe that to be the truth. If people actually knew the things that our government is capable of doing and the things they are doing, widespread panic would prevail.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:26 PM
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42.  Shaffer: "the Secretary of Defense directed that we not testify tomorrow"
Lt. Col. Shaffer's interview on the Jerry Doyle show, 9/20

Shaffer: Jerry, DoD mentioned on the first of September, they confirmed everything that we talked about to date. All we were going to do is go in as Captain Philpott, Dr. Eileen Pricer, J.D. Smith and myself. (inaudible) is color in the pieces of this thing. So the fact that DoD now would reverse itself, we can't even begin to figure out why they would do such a thing based on the fact that they've admitted the fact that the program existed and even confirmed the results of the program. So it's a mystery to us as well.

Doyle: Well, when you say DoD, where's this coming from at DoD? Is this instructions to DoD from higher ups? Is this people in DoD who are afraid of what information gets out? I mean who is the person who's making this happen?

Shaffer: What I will tell you is I was told by 2 DoD officials today directly that it is their understanding that the Secretary of Defense directed that we not testify tomorrow. That is my understanding....

Each individual within the group had their own horror story at how we attempted to say, look this is pretty important stuff, global terrorism, you know these guys have killed Americans we should continue this. And we were told to a man and woman, no, sit down, shut up, move on, it's time to forget about it. And this all happened in the spring of 2001 right before the attacks. So I can't tell you what the philosophy was, I can't tell you who actually was behind it, I can just tell you that obviously my observations, the fact that it happened, the fact that we had Atta, we had other information which we tried to pass to the FBI. Plus, Jerry, I don't know if your listeners are aware, Captain Philpott actually told the 9-11 Commission about the fact that Able Danger discovered information regarding the Cole attack. The USS Cole which was attacked in October of 2000. There was information that was Able Danger found that related to Al Qaeda planning an attack. That information unfortunately didn't get anywhere either. So that is another clue that was given to the 9-11 Commission to say, hey, this capability did some stuff, and they chose not to even look at that.

http://qtmonster.typepad.com/qt_monsters_place/2005/09/shaffer_sources.html

Link to additional information in this dKos diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/20/215240/676



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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:20 PM
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46. These motherfuckers let it happen on purpose.
When they say "no one could have predicted" it really means they didn't think the attacks would be so successful or damaging.

These fuckers should be in jail.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 06:45 PM
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49. It's starting to look like the biggest problem with capturing Usama is.
Bush protecting his Al Qaida henchmen.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 07:18 PM
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51. "with perhaps the calculation that you didn't have this information"
Pentagon blocking September 11 inquiry: Senator

By David Morgan

<clip>

"Had that information been shared with the FBI, which was trying to get it, 9/11 might have been prevented," Specter said.

The September 11 commission, which investigated the attacks that killed 3,000 people, has also said it found no documented evidence that Able Danger had identified Atta and other hijackers.

But former commissioner Slade Gorton acknowledged in a September 20
letter to the judiciary committee that Able Danger member, Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, had told a commission lawyer that he saw Atta's name and photo before the attacks.

William Dugan, acting assistant to the defense secretary for intelligence oversight, told Specter he knew little about Able Danger but said any information on Atta could have been transferred to the FBI if obtained under proper regulations.

"I understand that you were sent over in a very limited capacity, with perhaps the calculation that you didn't have this information," Specter told Dugan.

Link:

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=uri:2005-09-21T211406Z_01_KWA176340_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-ATTACKS.xml&pageNumber=1&summit=


One can only imagine the chat Rummy had with Dugan this afternoon ....

Gotcha, Rummy.


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:44 PM
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52. Senators Accuse Pentagon of Obstructing Inquiry on Sept. 11 Plot
Senators Accuse Pentagon of Obstructing Inquiry on Sept. 11 Plot

By DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 - Senators from both parties accused the Defense Department on Wednesday of obstructing an investigation into whether a highly classified intelligence program known as Able Danger did indeed identify Mohamed Atta and other future hijackers as potential threats well before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The complaints came after the Pentagon blocked several witnesses from testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee at a public hearing on Wednesday. The only testimony provided by the Defense Department came from a senior official who would say only that he did not know whether the claims were true.

But members of the panel, led by Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said they regarded as credible assertions by current and former officers in the program. The officers have said they were prevented by the Pentagon from sharing information about Mr. Atta and others with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

More at the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/politics/22intel.html?ei=5088&en=be75fe63345fa799&ex=1285041600&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

This is not going away.


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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 02:12 PM
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54. with republican senators angry ..... not going away....RW talk shows angry
Savage was really going on about this Wed eve.......

he was attacking Rumsfeld

of course, he had nasty things to say about dems....'tell Boxer and Feinsteitn to stop going on about abortion', etc

a few weeks ago he was talking as if this was all Clinton's fault......from the bit I heard last night, he was going after the present adm people; no negatives about W tho

Savage was furious cspan had it on 3 instead of 1; a caller said the hearing would replay on cspan 1 Wed night

Savage dislikes Specter and Biden......he said if they were both furious maybe the investigation would go somewhere
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