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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:51 AM
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WP/AP: Group: Holiday Sales Expected to Increase
Group: Holiday Sales Expected to Increase
The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 21, 2005


NEW YORK -- Holiday sales are projected to increase 5 percent, less than the 6.7 percent gain in 2004, as higher energy prices, the economic fallout from Hurricane Katrina, shaky consumer confidence and a volatile job market dampen spending, the National Retail Federation said Wednesday.

The good news for consumers? Consumers won't have to wait to get the best deals this year because merchants are expected to be "aggressive in their pricing strategies throughout the entire holiday season," said Rosalind Wells, chief economist for the Washington-based trade association.

After enjoying steady sales throughout the year, the consumer spending pace slowed this summer, and analysts are worried about the fall selling season, which hasn't kicked in for many merchants.

Another challenge for the industry will be a tough comparison with 2004, when merchants reported sizable gains, the National Retail Federation said....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/21/AR2005092100437.html
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:53 AM
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1. Right. Like the economy is getting better, unemployment is down, and
bush** is a compassionate Christian.

Idiots.
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:57 AM
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2. Not at my house, it aint.
n/t
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:58 AM
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3. We've already cancelled christmas.
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tonkatoy57 Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:59 AM
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4. I like the headline's opposition to the first paragraph
Group: Holiday Sales Expected to Increase"
vs.
Holiday sales are projected to increase 5 percent, less than the 6.7 percent gain in 2004

True enough, but in a way misleading.

I happened to read this morning in the local paper that Federated Department Stores, which recently purchased the hometown May Department Stores, is so concerned about what they anticipate as being a spectacularly crappy holiday sales season that they are trying to shove 1700 local May employees out the door as quickly as possible. They don't want them eating up precious profits during a downer of a shopping season.

What to believe, what to believe.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:20 AM
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11. that's what i thought, too! very misleading.
increase 5%. but actually it's a decrease, down from 6.7%? am i reading that right? i have the flu, so maybe it DOES make sense, and it's just me.....
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:04 AM
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5. it's not even thanksgiving yet, and already the happy-talk is up
go for it Group! talk up those sales
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:07 AM
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6. "OMG, if we don't tell consumers that everyone else is consuming, they
might not consume enough to make it possible for us to consume at the rate we've become accustomed to consuming. I want a headline on my desk in 15 minutes, and it better stir some people to start buying shit or heads are going to roll"

In the rest of the article, they say:


This year, the trade association broadened its definition of retail sales to include business from grocery stores, health and personal care stores, home improvement stores, office supply stores and florists. Total sales, however, still exclude business from auto dealers, gas stations and restaurants. Previous sales data have been revised to reflect the new formula for calculating retail sales.


So, if you're projecting a 5% increase in sales from last year, but you've just lumped in all groceries and home improvment, just how bad a year is it for electronics, clothing, etc? A short trip to the grocery store is already running about 6-8% higher than last year, even more if you buy milk.
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Ben Ceremos Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:16 PM
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16. Blog about not shopping/consuming...
found it months ago but it seems solid enough to read. Go to the archives where the economic/philosphical advice is...


http://www.edklesiastes.blogspot.com
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Ben Ceremos Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:18 PM
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17. Blog about not consuming
and other things. Seems reasonable enough...
http://www.edklesiastes.blogspot.com
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:09 AM
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7. This is a joke, right?
I don't know anyone who can afford to have Christmas.
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Bad Santa Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:10 AM
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8. Not if people have to walk to the mall
If Rita takes out anymore oil platforms or refineries, we all may be walking to the store for a good long while.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:00 PM
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14. luckily i can walk to the mall

as it's 10 doors away. but i won't be spending anything.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:21 PM
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19. You're so right, Bad Santa -- welcome to DU!
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Gunit_Sangh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 10:17 AM
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9. Forecasts for holiday sales not very jolly
That's the headline on the article at USA Today


http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2005-09-21-holiday_x.htm

Let the powers that be know that this year we'll definately be cutting back some on christmas and will not be spending as much as we did last year.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:17 AM
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10. happy talk happy talk happy happy happy talk
I swear to god they must have a word document that they just fill in the blanks when it's time to print the "increase in holiday sales" story. Good God when did the press become such utter whores?

The other comment I have have is "I have read this story and much like it"
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 11:26 AM
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12. If it's a decrease from '04, what is it an increase over? More MSM speak.


I finally figured out what's wrong with this country. We are all suffering from CONSUMPTION--as in the tubercular sense.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:59 PM
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13. not here

i cancelled the holidays on 11/03/04

if i buy anything for my grown daughter, it will be practical things she needs for getting over her auto accident.


I will send out cards however, all w/ a peace theme on them.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 02:02 PM
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15. What planet are these people on? Do they think we're all rich and can
afford everything while our wages barely increase if at all? Cognitive dissonance......
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 04:30 PM
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18. i ain't celebrating the holidays again this year... so i don't care
nothing to celebrate.

just working hard, going to school, trying to get a good job outside the country.

if it ain't top ramen or school supplies, it ain't purchased.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:40 PM
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20. No Xmas here this year
Im crochetting scarves for my adult children. wont be buying a damned thing.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 09:42 PM
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21. Holiday sales to INCREASE by ( -2% )!!! Only in BushWorld! nt
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